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BUGGED UBW MAGE WEAPON BOWS

Started by Corpse · 2018-12-13 · 44 posts · PvP / VvV
#0
If a SWORDS MAGE hybrid uses a Bow that has use best weapons AND -mage weapon  you can use the bow's specials WITHOUT archery trained up.    Is this an intended feature?
#2
LoL.  Do you not know how use best wep works?  It has only been around for 15 years.
#3
Yeah they're very old bows that came with the ubws property on them. Just delete them or make them exploits like glacial white cloth.
#4
It was a rare item that only paired with -mage weps.  I don't think they go around deleting items that don't spawn anymore just because you don't like it.    I have multiple ubw mage bows just collecting dust.  
#5
I think the problem Corpse is addressing with these bows is that they work with having little to no archery and shouldn't work like that. They should be fixed is what he is saying.
#6
amit said:
I think the problem Corpse is addressing with these bows is that they work with having little to no archery and shouldn't work like that. They should be fixed is what he is saying.
They work with having a wep skill, tactics, and magery. Quite a few things have to be used. That is also not taking into account how slow that person would swing such an item. If we're deleting rare items off the game because one person is making your pvp hard that is a slippery slope. 
#7
amit said:
I think the problem Corpse is addressing with these bows is that they work with having little to no archery and shouldn't work like that. They should be fixed is what he is saying.
Another person who does not know how use best wep and mage weps works commenting.  That is not very productive.
#8
r33per said:
amit said:
I think the problem Corpse is addressing with these bows is that they work with having little to no archery and shouldn't work like that. They should be fixed is what he is saying.
They work with having a wep skill, tactics, and magery. Quite a few things have to be used. That is also not taking into account how slow that person would swing such an item. If we're deleting rare items off the game because one person is making your pvp hard that is a slippery slope. 
Ok so make them craftable and u can keep ur rare pixels? 😂
#9
Can you make the apron "Butcher of Jhelom" craftable too?  I think it is unfair that someone has that rare that makes their suits really easy to build.  Just using amit's logic here.
#10
Use Best Weapon Skill N/A Weapons (I)(R)(L) N/A Substitutes the character’s trained weapon skill for that normally required for the weapon type. (melee weapons only)
#11
Mage Weapon -29 – -20 (I)-29 – -15 (R)(L) Weapons (I)(R)(L) N/A Allows magery skill to substitute for the normal combat skill of the weapon. Special moves cannot be used via this substitution. Magery skill is reduced while a mage weapon is equipped.

#12
UBW skill is for (melee weapons only) 
#13
whoever this corpse guy is must lose a lot to the only player in the game who uses this bow. 
#14
That website says that because the bows stopped spawning.  Hence they are rare.  
#15
That's a neat rare. @Bleak any comments ?
#16
Here is the key difference.  You have Archery and use a UBWS Macing weapon, can you toggle specials?  No, you can't.

You have an Swords and use an Archery UBWS weapon and you CAN toggle specials.  


#17
Lynk said:
Here is the key difference.  You have Archery and use a UBWS Macing weapon, can you toggle specials?  No, you can't.

You have an Swords and use an Archery UBWS weapon and you CAN toggle specials.  


It's about the mage wep not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. 
#18
These people claim to be pvpers and don't know what they are talking about.  lol
#19
Or try to make you think they have played UO forever.  Runs back to my Castle to admire all my old UBW/Mage Bows
#20
Bilbo said:
Or try to make you think they have played UO forever.  Runs back to my Castle to admire all my old UBW/Mage Bows
Sell them while they are HOT HOT HOT!
#21
they didnt work 2 years ago when i sold the last of mine.  believe me, if they did i would have known because theyd be worth billion or more rather than the about 10m a piece i sold them for.

lots of bugs in UO, always possibility a publish could have changed them to working again but they didnt work for a very long time.
#22
Smoot said:
they didnt work 2 years ago when i sold the last of mine.  believe me, if they did i would have known because theyd be worth billion or more rather than the about 10m a piece i sold them for.

lots of bugs in UO, always possibility a publish could have changed them to working again but they didnt work for a very long time.
Dunno.  Whenever I have tried using mine in builds it has worked.
#23
Smoot said:
they didnt work 2 years ago when i sold the last of mine.  believe me, if they did i would have known because theyd be worth billion or more rather than the about 10m a piece i sold them for.

lots of bugs in UO, always possibility a publish could have changed them to working again but they didnt work for a very long time.
It has literally never not worked its a mage wep. 
#24
Yeah this is definitely broken.  People that are using are purposely taking advantage of a exploit and have no idea how UO mechanics work.  They were fixed long ago and that's when they stopped spawning cause it couldn't be done without having the archery skill to do specials.  Funny how some people fight to keep exploits in the game to favor their lack of talent.  
#25
Your troll posts are bad. Or you are not informed at all.  Either way, shouldn't be commenting.
#26
This is a bug, @corpse is correct, UBWS is only supposed to work for melee weapons. 
#27
Mervyn said:
This is a bug, @ corpse is correct, UBWS is only supposed to work for melee weapons. 
Well this deals with UBWS and mage wep.  So, you also don't know what you are talking about or don't understand why it works.
#28
Mage weapon does not allow you to perform specials. E.G say you had tactics and no weapon skill but had magery, you cannot perform specials with a mage weap.

or if you had magery, swords and tactics and used a mage weap mace, you would not be able to perform specials.
#29
Mervyn said:
Mage weapon does not allow you to perform specials. E.G say you had tactics and no weapon skill but had magery, you cannot perform specials with a mage weap.

or if you had magery, swords and tactics and used a mage weap mace, you would not be able to perform specials.
They are used in conjunction.
#30
Here is proof that mage weapon does not allow you to use a special attack even though i have both magery and a weapon skill and tactics. The UBWS property would allow me to do this, however UBWS should not work on bows, it is a bug that it works on bows that are mage weapon.


*in the interest of openness, I wrote that wiki entry however is still true. 
#31
You need both properties on the bow and a lot of skill. The bows stopped spawning. Like I said. It’s a combination. I am not going to link to a page I wrote on it.
#32
confirmed.

UBWS is working on those bows for swords. I did not check other melee skills.

But not with -magery for my mage who has no weapon skills.

So the fault is lying with the UBWS somehow working on bows for melee.
The -magery has no bearing.

If the char has both swords and magery, albeit odd, but the bow would work due to the swords, not the -magery.

The true test would be to see if an archer can use a swords. and that answer is......... no. It is not reciprocated. I took my archer and bought a UBWS swords required weapon and I could not activate the specials. (and yes she has enough tactics and archery)
#33
I don’t think you read this thread or understand how/why it works. 
#34
I did read it. I also have not been able to go to test center since it is down so that I could replicate it. I do know that UBWS should not work for bows. now granted magery is not a weapon skill, so it should not work at all. But for me, since I CAN use swords to use a bow and do a riding swipe with no archery, to me that is what I considered confirmed.

I did it the other way around, to test to see if I could get it to work and I could not.

so I did the one thing I could, test the -magery itself with a bow and I could not.

So until I can go to test and test further, this is as far as I can go.

Again....

***Confirmed that the UBWS that SHOULD NOT be working for swords to do specials WITH A BOW***

Am I missing something else about that part? Do you find that statement false?

If they fix that part, then the -magery (for the UBWS ) would be fixed.
#35
ubw Bows always 'worked' for melee as far as allowing you to toggle/use specials, but you miss 95% of the time because your melee's "hit chance" doesn't carry over with UBW on ranged weapons, that was the "fix" the devs had applied at the time.

-20 Mage weapon overrides the 'hit chance' provided by the weapon skill.

Side note:  Mystic Weapon (Mysticism Mastery) overrides the hit-chance portion as well.

I wouldn't consider this much of a bug though, these items certainly aren't nearly as powerful as pre-patched double hit-spell weapons that still exist.   -old news tbh.


#36
Fair enough @CovenantX That makes sense, but still should not be able to do it as even that chance is something. In reality, anyone can pick up a weapon off of the battle field and attempt to use it. But specials should require "real skill" for sure.
#37
Gidge said:
Fair enough @ CovenantX That makes sense, but still should not be able to do it as even that chance is something. In reality, anyone can pick up a weapon off of the battle field and attempt to use it. But specials should require "real skill" for sure.
  They do require real skill just like any other ubw weapon.

  - Mage Weapon is the thing that makes these items hit, while the UBW allows the specials to be toggled on/off, because of the hit chance from Magery overrides the hit chance from 'swordsmanship' as described in the OP.  - that's the bug.     you still need 90 weapon skill & 60 tactics to perform the specials with it.

 Even then, in order for someone to really build around an item like this, It means they would have had to find a UBW bow, which spawned like ~10 years ago, that has only 1-2 properties (one being ubw obviously) and the item could not have been enhanced prior to the release of SA So that the user could even imbue the properties that make it work   - Mage weapon and Spell Channeling.    most of these items were also non-exceptional as well.

#38
Wow someone that understands why it works.  Color me shocked.
#39
So Paith and Randy are saying, "You dont understand mechanics", right?  Their argument is, UBWS allows you to toggle special, mage weapon allows for your hit chance capabilities. 

So you have a weapon skill, UBWS Mage Weapon bow you can toggle specs AND get hit chance.

Ok so if this was intended, I should be able to have Archery and a UBWS / Mage weap melee weapon and be the same.  Right?  If it was intended that would be the case?  It's not.  

If you have archery, and equip a UBWS melee weapon, you can't toggle specials. Here is a screen shot.  I have 120 archery, 100 tactics.  The weapon is UBWS, and I tried to toggle the primary special.  It would not let me. 

It is a bug, it is not intended, and it needs to be fixed.


#41
Why would a UBWS Bow give me the ability to toggle specials when I have a weapons skill, but NOT allow me to toggle specials with a UBWS weapon when I have archery skill?

If it was intended it would work both ways.  Oversight, bug.


#42
Some personal attacks have been deleted. I believe this bug has now been fully explained further discussion is not needed.
#43
While I would argue my initial post comparing the bows to inviso items & teleport rings was in no way a personal attack but indeed fact, I will thank you for an official moderator’s acknowledgment that this is indeed a bug. 
Mariah said:
I believe this bug has now been fully explained...

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