Rare Nightmare End Date?

Is there an official end date on the rare hue nightmares? I'm just curious on if I'll need to stock up on more totems and didn't see anything official anywhere. 😂

Do not forget the totems now work on CUs as well.

Rare colored Cus other than Blaze sell like crap though.

Sylph said:

Is there an official end date on the rare hue nightmares? I'm just curious on if I'll need to stock up on more totems and didn't see anything official anywhere. 😂

I thought it was Nov 30 but I was still getting grey mares yesterday and today someone said they are still getting colors on ATL after server up.

Feb 11 when the ToT ends, else, never.. as we've seen with the rabbits.

@Kyronix- Can we get some clarification on the end date?

February Please.

username said:

Feb 11 when the ToT ends, else, never.. as we've seen with the rabbits.

Personally hoping for never. Seems like such a waste to put work into adding variety into the game play loop just to remove it and why? So people can try to sell purple mares for crazy amount of plat? Even if they leave them in, purple mares would probably become similar to Blaze Cu's.

Rhel said:

username said:

Feb 11 when the ToT ends, else, never.. as we've seen with the rabbits.

Personally hoping for never. Seems like such a waste to put work into adding variety into the game play loop just to remove it and why? So people can try to sell purple mares for crazy amount of plat? Even if they leave them in, purple mares would probably become similar to Blaze Cu's.

I was kind of hoping Manifestation of Evil would become an annual event, similar to Krampus, but centered on Halloween. Something like Oct 15th to Nov 15th each year (15 days prior to Oct. 31, Oct. 31, and 15 days after Oct. 31).

The rare colored nightmare spawn could be tied to MoE and the team could add a new nightmare color or two to the tables each year, similar to adding new art to the artisan festival each year.

I even, you won't believe this, made a spreadsheet for it!

All the @ are my hue id additions, which I pulled from Stratics. You'd probably want an artist to pick the colors and make them "Halloweeny", but I was just trying to layout some themes for the rarities.



See, plenty of space to add new colors and make more money from totems each year!

If they felt like it, they could add the same color variations and rarities to the Shadow Hounds. 

In fact, there may be an identical Shadow Hound layout just underneath the Nightmare layout in my spreadsheet. There might even be a third animal ('cause UO has 3 principles and 8 virtues) underneath the Shadow Hounds.

popps said:

Rhel said:

username said:

Feb 11 when the ToT ends, else, never.. as we've seen with the rabbits.

Personally hoping for never. Seems like such a waste to put work into adding variety into the game play loop just to remove it and why? So people can try to sell purple mares for crazy amount of plat? Even if they leave them in, purple mares would probably become similar to Blaze Cu's.

I agree, it should be a permanent spawn... unfortunately, there is players out there who want to keep the rarity of in game items and the rarer the better, because, I imagine, then the chances that other players might be willing to spend real money to get those rare items, increases, as well as the worth that can be gotten out of these items goes way up.

To my humble opinion, Games should be played for entertainment, only, not to make real money off of them.

I feel like at this point it's not so much those players (including myself) wanting to keep them rare as the fact it was stated they were "Limited Time" so we dropped a ton of money on totems to get stuff and if they make them permanent that's a slap in the face and will make people not believe in purchasing store items anymore unfortunately.

Agree with the above post. 

Having a slim chance to spawn without buying items is one thing like blaze Cu,  but having a slim to none chance after buying additional items then it should be left limited. 

Other colors should be brought into game permanently. 

Sylph said:

popps said:

Rhel said:

username said:

Feb 11 when the ToT ends, else, never.. as we've seen with the rabbits.

Personally hoping for never. Seems like such a waste to put work into adding variety into the game play loop just to remove it and why? So people can try to sell purple mares for crazy amount of plat? Even if they leave them in, purple mares would probably become similar to Blaze Cu's.

I agree, it should be a permanent spawn... unfortunately, there is players out there who want to keep the rarity of in game items and the rarer the better, because, I imagine, then the chances that other players might be willing to spend real money to get those rare items, increases, as well as the worth that can be gotten out of these items goes way up.

To my humble opinion, Games should be played for entertainment, only, not to make real money off of them.

I feel like at this point it's not so much those players (including myself) wanting to keep them rare as the fact it was stated they were "Limited Time" so we dropped a ton of money on totems to get stuff and if they make them permanent that's a slap in the face and will make people not believe in purchasing store items anymore unfortunately.

The patch notes never stated a limited time though. Someone said it was mentioned in a news letter, but I've never seen the link.

Do you have a link to where they stated the nightmare colors would be limited?

Also, even if they weren't limited time, a lot of people would have dropped money on totems just to get the "new hottness." I never interpreted them as being limited, and I've bought ~10 totems.

psycho said:

Rare should be Rare

As far as I can see the purple ones are not as rare as blaze su sidhe. Theres quite alot of them ingame now.

If you want something permanently you have to enforce the rules and punish 24/7 scripters, at the very first days of new nightmares there were people who scripted killing them and set an alarm for when a rare spawned. This was over a month ago.

Theres no point with permanent or rare content if you just allow this kind of bs.

Now you can ofcourse remove the rare nightmares spawn again, but who wins? read above

Personally, I think there is a huge misconception that these will be as rare/pricey as PP WW, PP mares, bane dragons and dread warhorses. The difference is that PP WW, PP mares, banes and dreads have something unique about them other than their colors. They have unique stats and functions that set them apart from others. 

The rare colored nightmares are just rare colored nightmares. Arguably, they're not a meta pet, and I'm not sure many tamers will switch to using them as their primary pet, or at least I haven't seen it.

So when it comes down to it, the only thing they have going for them is bank sitting, which can pull a fair price from collectors I suppose, but the collectors are also probably the people with multiple uber rare mares in their stables. 

Blaze Cu's are rare, and still worth money. There is nothing saying that these mares if made permanent won't maintain the same value. But I doubt the mares will ever hit the 15+ Plat that people are claiming in game general chat. 

Rhel said:

The patch notes never stated a limited time though. Someone said it was mentioned in a news letter, but I've never seen the link.

Do you have a link to where they stated the nightmare colors would be limited?...

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"For a limited time only!" is pretty vague. On purpose I would suspect.

Macy's has a "limited time" spring sale for bedding, every sping.
Starbuck's sells pumpkin spice latte's each fall for "a limited time".
McDonald's puts new items in their menu constantly "for a limited time" of about 6 months, then brings them back again a year or so later "for a limited time" of another 6 months.

"A limited time" is just marketing speak to drive consumer purchases.

Companies use it because it works.


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Anyone remember the original green soul stones? You know, the ones you got from pre-ordering Samurai Empire? The green soul stones the developers at the time guaranteed would never again be available in game; "You can only ever get them from pre-ordering Samurai Empire, get as many boxes as you can now!" Those same green soul stones we can now buy directly from the in-game store, in quantities as large as we desire. Those turned out to not be so rare after all, eh?


We'll see, but I'm guessing these nightmare colors are popular enough, and generating enough $$$ in totem sales, they will find their way back into the game at some point.

Maybe they will become a yearly thing like pumpkins, trick or treat cemeteries … Or maybe like the rabbits I feel those should just be during Easter tho 

Arroth_Thaiel said:

Rhel said:

The patch notes never stated a limited time though. Someone said it was mentioned in a news letter, but I've never seen the link.

Do you have a link to where they stated the nightmare colors would be limited?...

Publish 118.1 Features! - Ultima Online Forums



--
"For a limited time only!" is pretty vague. On purpose I would suspect.

Macy's has a "limited time" spring sale for bedding, every sping.
Starbuck's sells pumpkin spice latte's each fall for "a limited time".
McDonald's puts new items in their menu constantly "for a limited time" of about 6 months, then brings them back again a year or so later "for a limited time" of another 6 months.

"A limited time" is just marketing speak to drive consumer purchases.

Companies use it because it works.


--
Anyone remember the original green soul stones? You know, the ones you got from pre-ordering Samurai Empire? The green soul stones the developers at the time guaranteed would never again be available in game; "You can only ever get them from pre-ordering Samurai Empire, get as many boxes as you can now!" Those same green soul stones we can now buy directly from the in-game store, in quantities as large as we desire. Those turned out to not be so rare after all, eh?


We'll see, but I'm guessing these nightmare colors are popular enough, and generating enough $$$ in totem sales, they will find their way back into the game at some point.

Thank you! Wondering why if they put it as limited here, they didn't put it as limited in the actual patch notes?

But yeah, it could be yearly limited, and return every Fall around Halloween or something. 

The lack of response may be an indication that they're not going away, and the team just doesn't know how to announce it or doesn't want the backlash. 

If they do go away, I'd expect them to be available to farm up until the end of the event cycle, which ends sometime next spring I think?

Different colors for different pets yearly would be cool and still hold the value. 

We NEED a candy cane skinned pet for Xmas. Not a vanity either. 

Need a skin for the new bear 

Need the Developers to answer such easy questions 

It's all about doing some copy&pasta to bribe and no bribe is permanent.

Permanent would require passion and commitment.. as for the NM mini game.. this was no bribe.. this is a limited time lootbox "event", they just needed to copy and pasta some new color on top of F'ing over a couple EC tamer to achieve their means.. imagine if they had put the effort of offering some theorycrafting/sandboxy with unique resist (not something stronger just switch the resist like red = higher than 80 fire resist, etc)

Do not get more wrong tho.. i'd LOVE more permanent stuff and LESS bribe (let returning and new player farm the heretic items at ALL time).. like only one solid event every 18months would be MORE than enough.. if the sandbox was still a sandbox.. and not an automated botted theme gated game for third party users.

@Community Manager  do we have a set end date on this or we just winging it?

Urge said:

@ "Community Manager"  do we have a set end date on this or we just winging it?

I would keep an eye out on uo.com for information!

keven2002 said:

@ Urge - Said another way... when they stop spawning you will know the event has ended lol

Just as I suspected. Winging it. Lol. 

No idea why the most simple of things are made into complicated issues. It's a projected estimated end date, not a nuke code. 

If they turn it off it will be when people stop buying the totems I’d guess 

It's them assuming 100% the casino event.. less speculative pricing without an end date.

More pressure to buy totem.. a feeling of @urge pun intended. Sorry about this one, I know it's bad.. but it was just too easy.