@ Kyronix Plz check Drop Rate of Page of Lore on Drachenfels

 I'm with you on this.

I've pretty much given up, I don't see why they make some of these event drop rates quite so impossible. If the drop rate worked like Felucca spawn drops, I'd be perfectly happy, but it really doesn't seem to.

I don't get how it works, as far as I am concerned, it doesn't really work. This seems to keep happening on random drop rate events.

I actually liked the concept, now tbh, I tired of it, will bin it all, not going to waste my time on it anymore.

It would maybe have helped if the spawn was in Felucca, but having a grindy spawn this hard in Trammel is just boring, cannot get the players to do anything there.

I also got zero Yukio Earrings drop. Players say I'm doing something wrong, I'd love to know what exactly.

For some feedback - just so you have it in 1 place;

Khaldun Titan Stealables - Fantastic concept, great artwork, the most insanely low drop rate ever, I gave this one everything, and completely burned myself out on it, and got nothing at all.

Yukio Earrings - Great concept, good reward, I've not given it everything, and I've not burned myself out on it - mainly because work is too busy - BUT, I've done enough, to have one of the lowest RNG drop rates recorded ingame. I have got Zero so far.

Invasion Spellbooks - dropping from 1 stupid mob only within the spawn - one of the most coveted items ingame, given out in one of the most stupid ways possible - is it the same with the 2 above, I wonder, maybe it's a good thing I don't know what the drop system is, or I'd have a heart attack.

Treasure of Deceit Event - this is the best one you've done - fantastic rewards, exactly the right drop rate. I worked my arse off on this one, and I was rewarded for my gameplay at exactly the rate you should be for putting the effort in.

Treasures of Ice - the issue here - was the reward table was really flat. It was lovely that this was in Felucca, but due to lack of interest in the event, we could not make anything out of it.

Yukio Champ spawn - the Bracelet is nice enough - getting 1 per character per account is a bit of a boring way to get stuff, but at least this way I was actually able to get something I guess. The Books of Lore, and Pages - really nice concept - why SO hard? We really do only have so much time to play. And if anything gets in the way - such as bad game design - 30 minute wait on respawn times, not enough incentive for players to complete spawns, it really messes us up.

The First Aid Belt Champ spawn - The reward was amazing, thank god we got the opportunity to get enough of those. The style it was handed out, again a bit boring - same as above - but at least players could get something!

So - onto Treasure of Wildfire. I have hope, it is my favourite style at least - time/work put in leads to a fair reward, I hope it is in Felucca, and I hope the loot table is nice enough to go for.

Same thing on Lake Superior, I've gone 3 days now without a page drop. It's way to low for the work we're putting in on this one.

3 accounts across 3 shards yesterday all levels of spawn no drops...

I'm at the point where I'm just going to log in to try to get a page every other day. I just don't have the time to sit there for hours trying to get a page when it seems I just get one every other day no matter how much time I devote to it. I'm not even going to get into what it feels like after spending 2 days trying to get one, only to get one that I previously got. Okay, changed my mind... *says bad word*. I am not the type of player that likes everything easy but this does seem a bit harsh.

@Kyronix - A little info about how the pages drop for the dynamic champ would go a long way after several people seem to also question the drop rate.

@Mene_Drachenfels - Not sure if you have transfer tokens but on ATL the pages of lore are down around 8-10m right now. Not cheap but far from 175m each.

These are the same as the other two dynamic spawns.

I brought up the low drop rate with cubes. I also have spent hours on random shards killing the spawn and not getting a drop.

These were designed as participation rewards.

I put in a bug report for cubes because they started even worse.  They put in a hot fix and made them drop like they do now.
https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/47427

So, you would think that if you participate in a spawn you would get this reward.  You do not get these drops every time you participate.

I have had 20 pages drop so far and have really done it less than I did the other two spawns I was also gone for a week.

Here is what I do:  Only expect a drop from the first level, you may get one on the second. (I go for music box gears on the second level)  Since most shards have probably stopped killing the Rabbit you will find the spawn reverts back.  So, go check it and if it is on the first level kill away.  When you get a drop, stop.  Go get an other account or toon and continue.

I find this works more pleasantly if you skip a day.  Yesterday I got 3 pages in one spawn, today I wont go.

I think the issue with this event is the houses.  On the other two events the mobs were in the open and you could gather crowds.  You can not gather crowds in this event so you pluck away at a few mobs.

But the drop rate for these Dynamic spawns has not been predictable since the beginning.  I see no difference in this spawn and the last two.

I got 30 or so cubes.
I got 33 or so Statues
I have 20 pages so far.

Saying that,  For the amount of hours I can play, the drop rate is too low for a participation reward.

keven2002 said:

@ Kyronix - A little info about how the pages drop for the dynamic champ would go a long way after several people seem to also question the drop rate.

@ Mene_Drachenfels - Not sure if you have transfer tokens but on ATL the pages of lore are down around 8-10m right now. Not cheap but far from 175m each.

"my experience so far (on atlantic), i turn up and kill some spawn for around 30 seconds and receive 1 page, i don't seem to receive another page if i remain at the spawn, so i simply leave and return the following day for 30 seconds, 

I don't think 30 seconds per page is a grind"

He's either lying or knows some trick to get them right away. I'm also on ATL and I went 2-3 days ago at server up and worked the entire spawn (with only 4 others) to level 3 which took 30ish minutes and didn't get anything. Logged on yesterday morning and worked the spawn for 40minutes from start to mid 3rd level and again nothing.

keven2002 said:

He's either lying or knows some trick to get them right away. I'm also on ATL and I went 2-3 days ago at server up and worked the entire spawn (with only 4 others) to level 3 which took 30ish minutes and didn't get anything. Logged on yesterday morning and worked the spawn for 40minutes from start to mid 3rd level and again nothing.

I have a different theory, but not sure if it is solid thou.
I go there every day and if I dont get a page within the first 10 minutes I will just leave as my "timer" is not reset. So seems like every 3rd day I get a page within the first 5 minutes and then I can relog my 2 other accounts and also get a page drop within a few minutes.
After this I just recall out. No more pages than 1 will ever drop. And as the boss dosnt weem to have any good random loot at all, it really dosnt make sense to stay and kill it if you already got the bracelet. I find this rather dumb. 
Anyhow with this approach and 3 accounts I have now collected all pages but page 9 accross EUR and ATL shard.

@russia
Very good comment here, comes to what I have observed so also quite close. And to speak with @Cookie here: – the ideas of the last events have been very good lately, but tragically they usually fail due to a so it seems only half-considered implementation. As a player, I’m willing to give up my time for something I like in the game, but I also want a certain guarantee of success that I can achieve what I set out to achieve. The good will of these “Global Mini Events aka ToT or Dynamic Champs” also to contribute usually fails miserably because of a realization that does not always benefit the player. Unfortunately, this has been the case quite often lately.

When I, as a player, can’t tell if someone has already cleaned up the nice extra gimmicks or not, and logically I’m beating on a spawn for hours without success – it’s extremely annoying and frustration. Then there is this limited time factor, which makes these things available only for 4 weeks and then never again! Even more frustration for people who cannot find the time for RL reasons, but still want to have these items.

How am I supposed to know if the accepted drop limit on the pages or before statues and what is still to come is fulfilled? I log in, get to the spawn, see spawn level 1 monsters, and get started. No one’s left, because everyone has already picked up their main reward from the boss – so I’m all alone. So how am I supposed to know if a boss monster has already been killed and the spawn reset. Or what should I know, that someone has already brought the spawn to level 2, recall away and the spawn after a certain time then switches back down to level 1? How am I supposed to know how many times this has happened during the day with this extreme caster cream cake from Evil Mages and Controllers with poison green toppings of Night Terrors when I’m on my own? The good intention that something should be done in teamwork is inevitably doomed to failure on the Low Player Shards.

If a dev can’t give me any conditions here, how something was planned and intended, that’s really sad enough. Especially here I expect this as a paying customer, who supports such plans with my own hard earned money to survive this game here! We as players who love this game are usually willing to sacrifice enough – the question is how much longer. Even if the focus here is probably now more on NL, the crowd – since NL is not out yet – still plays on the production shards. And here the game should at least be fun and not rustle. We all live much happier if life also makes us happy and doesn’t just kick our asses – or am I so wrong?

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I don’t want to complain. Since I’m basically on the point of view that you should leave items – no matter if armor parts, receipes, decorative items etc, that have come into play permanently, because, you should look, if you can’t develop them as a player somehow also yourself:
The always well-meaning tip to buy the items is of no use to me if they are no longer available or playable. We should really get down from the trip. I do not have a contract with King Croesus, who gives me so 1 – 2 platinum for my item wishes without being asked. Even they want to be played for the first time if i do not intend to support any RMT-Sellers .

Nevertheless, on the subject some basic thoughts and ideas of mine, which might help to solve the problem and might even be open for discussion:

1. A kind of Adventurer’s All kinds of shop – a large in-game shop in a building in the capital of Britain with special NPC’s that sell a certain type of equipment or decoration to increase, but in a relatively short time playable price. Playable prize means not 175 Million UO Gold! The NPC could then be provided with an limit per char - e. g. maximum 2/3 Items per Char. That would be roughly the principle of the silver traders of the VVV system. Here you could find e. g. the main items from the Dynamic Champs or from the ToT. Or whole rarely dropping Receipes or Arties of the Peerless Bosses. Or e. g. also decoration items from the poison tokens like the Tales or the lamps and many more.
The shop could then be designed and selected by the players via a design competition similar to Keep or Castle competition.

2. Another idea would be to let the already designed dynamics later be switched by the players themselves. A prerequisite could then be a pre-made longer quests like Zippy or Myrmidex Queen. The Champ would then still be there and the main items available for later players. Then the chance of getting a drop by fighting the spawn would also be much higher. Here, however, I would wish that every spawn level guarantees a drop.

The UO Store with the Sovereigns is OK for me. However, I wished because I as a passionate house builder and decorator freak something more useful worker-based and uo-professional decorative sets. e.g. for a tannery or for a rope shop.

@Mene_Drachenfels - I dont think it is the way described by @russia with a limited number of pages per spawn/day/champ.
I have gone to spawn and got the pages of level 4 spawn also.
It really seems as if your account (pr shard) has a timer for when you received a page to when you can get one again. Every time since event start I have received the pages within the first 5-10 mins of doing the spawn. Then there seems to be a timer of a few days maybe more (random?) that determines when you can get a page again. When this timer is up, you will again recieve the page after a few minutes - then you can log out as you wont get more pages before this timer is reset again. 
I have a total of maybe 25 pages across EUR and ATL - using 3 accounts to get them.
I just log in and test if I get a page within some minutes - if not I leave a gain as it will be a waste of time.

The fact that something is constantly being set up or programmed, that some here are wonderfully presented and happy, while other equally dedicated people are constantly presented the ass card, doesn’t surprise me for a long time;) – still remains the question, whether it is really necessary to have to make such small but fine differences here?

Mene_Drachenfels said:

The fact that something is constantly being set up or programmed, that some here are wonderfully presented and happy, while other equally dedicated people are constantly presented the ass card, doesn’t surprise me for a long time;)

I love how you said that, that is your German? coming through 🙂

In Bold - this is me, everyone knows when it comes to PvM 🙂

is it only with the evil mages?  It should be every period of the spawn you get a chance for one?  

Drakelord said:

is it only with the evil mages?  It should be every period of the spawn you get a chance for one?  

This is definitely not what I have seen - I only get 1 lore page per spawn and I get it within a few minutes. After this it takes some days before I can get another lore page.

Cookie said:

Mene_Drachenfels said:

The fact that something is constantly being set up or programmed, that some here are wonderfully presented and happy, while other equally dedicated people are constantly presented the ass card, doesn’t surprise me for a long time;)

I love how you said that, that is your German? coming through 🙂

In Bold - this is me, everyone knows when it comes to PvM 🙂

Yes that's german slang - I haven't found a good english phrase to explain how pissed I be! Englisch sometimes have the tendency to make it all candy

Mene_Drachenfels said:

Yes that's german slang - I haven't found a good english phrase to explain how pissed I be! Englisch sometimes have the tendency to make it all candy

😂

Not when I use it, lol!!!

I've been busy with work the past few days so I haven't hit the spawn or really even logged in. I read what you guys said and decided to hop in real quick as my timer must have reset (it's been like 4 days since I hit the spawn and even then I didn't get a page before logging off). I worked the spawn from level 2 to level 3 with just 1 other person... 25min later still no page. I do not think it's a character / account timer unless it's real time spent logged in or something.

@Kyronix - Can you please give us logic on how the drop rate is or at least look at it again to see if it needs refreshed?

A few of us on LS have not been getting drops for a few days so we finished the spawn and killed the Bunny. New spawn, some of us got drops but I could not get them to do a count. Killed Bunny again, we got drops again. I used different accounts for the spawn. I got one on the first one. Two on the second. Lots more players on the first one 

Our Bunny does instant death and regens HP 3 times. So we have to have someone constantly peace it and we have to kill it 4 times. So we have to have a group and organise. Unlike the easy Bunny on Atlantic.

So if you do the spawn you reset drops. But they are still not equal to a participation reward. Some players got no drops in those two rounds. So it is difficult to get players to spend 40 to 60 minutes on just the Bunny part. Then they have to come back in 30 minutes and hope to get a drop in the first level.

I'm up to 23 pages. Still could get the same amount of drops as the other spawns. But this one is a lot less fun because of the buildings and the boss our @EM Thrixx chose.

i don't think anyone chooses the boss it's just random....

it's a tool set to generate random bosses  no EM or single person is deciding hehehhe F these people instakill and triple regeng for them 

Decided to go back today.  I took an account that I did not use yesterday.  I doubt if anyone finish the spawn we began last night.  There were a mix of the first 3 levels but mostly mages.  After killing a lot of stuff I got a page.

We would have received all the pages last night if the spawn only gave a certain amount.(I got 2 and there were 6 players there that wanted pages)  But, I have no idea what the mechanics of these participation drops are still.

@McDougle someone posted that the EMs set up these events and choose the boss specials. The deco items were not all set up at the same time. We still can not enter the sparkle on LS.  I do not know if it is true that the EMs pick the Boss abilities..  The last two spawns had different Boss abilities on different shards also.
I hope it was our turn to get the angry random Boss,  Because our EM is plain evil and would do this often to us.

McDougle said:

i don't think anyone chooses the boss it's just random....

EM Xanthus said that they choose the abilities for the boss.
I like the 100/75/50/25 style boss for EM events.
(because it gives everyone a chance to get a drop)
And when he asked, we said we liked the event in Eastern Refuge...
but we should have said that it was a lil too much to handle for less than 10 people.
It took us 56 mins the other night to take it down.

Cinderella said:

McDougle said:

i don't think anyone chooses the boss it's just random....

EM Xanthus said that they choose the abilities for the boss.
I like the 100/75/50/25 style boss for EM events.
(because it gives everyone a chance to get a drop)
And when he asked, we said we liked the event in Eastern Refuge...
but we should have said that it was a lil too much to handle for less than 10 people.
It took us 56 mins the other night to take it down.

You showed up at the very end of one on Sonoma that took over an hour for the boss. I spent 4 hours on the spawn.  There was just one other player doing the spawn. Luckily more showed when I said it was on the last level. I took a pic. There are 9 players in it. We were calling for a bard to discord it but I guess they all logged.

5 plus hours. No page for me.

i think for EM events yes they pick but these events are created using the new static tools which i think to be different?? i know the boss on Pac was the bad one that was on Origin last time with insta kill reg etc.. 

i feel the root cause of this and many issues is a lack of communication if they would say each toon gets three pages per shard then no more or its XXX number of points worth of each level spawn etc etc  

McDougle said:

i feel the root cause of this and many issues is a lack of communication if they would say each toon gets three pages per shard then no more or its XXX number of points worth of each level spawn etc etc  

Don’t make them think any more dumb for any future events, will you? These scrolls should be raining – if they allow me to pick up 5 books/char

Pawain said:

5 plus hours. No page for me.

This is a problem to me and very discouraging that someone would play 5 hours doing a spawn(s) and get nothing for it @Kyronix. This is coming from someone who doesn't usually say things need to be easier too. 

At the end of the day it's not like pages do anything special and they are purely decoration so this much grind just for a single page isn't worth it. Since we don't know what the logic is on how the pages drop, it's hard to know if we are doing something wrong or it's broken. It seems like the champ needs to be killed after X pages drop. Well that's a problem on most shards now because it's only 1 bracelet per account. This is why I think going forward there needs to be a 50/50 chance of dropping a spawn reward (ie lore page for this spawn) to encourage people to not only stick around to work the spawn (instead of leaving at level 3 or 4) but to also stay and help with the champ. Otherwise people are going to just keep doing what they do now which is work the first couple levels then leave and the boss won't be killed; which essentially makes the rest of the month a huge waste of "event" effort. Me personally.... I've been waiting for the treasures of event after about 6 days of the champ spawn for this exact reason.

Thanks for all the reports and feedback related to the participation rewards for dynamic spawns.  Look for more on this in the next newsletter as we come up with some better ways to address everyone's concerns.  Thanks again!

Mene_Drachenfels said:

@ Kyronix

Thx for a little answer. Page 5 is still not yet dropping to me 🙁. Would you plz think about

whether the champ could be switched a little longer – maybe still some time parallel to the next ToT? Under this circumstances here, this would be very kind and a great gesture!

*mumbles* Better ways in the next newsletter....hm...I’m really curious about that;)

If you can't get players to kill the Boss, there is no use in keeping it on longer.

Pawain said:

Mene_Drachenfels said:

@ Kyronix

Thx for a little answer. Page 5 is still not yet dropping to me 🙁. Would you plz think about

whether the champ could be switched a little longer – maybe still some time parallel to the next ToT? Under this circumstances here, this would be very kind and a great gesture!

*mumbles* Better ways in the next newsletter....hm...I’m really curious about that;)

If you can't get players to kill the Boss, there is no use in keeping it on longer.

I was thinking that same thing myself earlier today when I was working a spawn that clearly reverted back from level 2 down to 1.... I worked it back up to level 2 myself (half way to 3) but gave up after about 25minutes because I figured the pages already dropped and I wasn't going to get a page at that point.

Drops should be 50/50 on the boss to encourage people to get doing it. Even if people just showed up for the boss, at least there would be help killing the champ.

Thanks Kyronix for the response.

I transferred a toon to Atlantic to get Pages of Lore.  They do the spawn during the times I am on 3pm to 11pm central.  Sometimes you have to call in chat to get some help on the Rabbit.

Starting from the beginning there is a good chance to get a page by or during the Yamatsu stage.
If you do not get a page you have to try again.  Each day I have been getting a page when doing one or two spawns. I have 2 toons there.  I just get 2 pages and stop.

You are never alone at the spawn so if you were you would probable get a page during a single spawn.

Both are tamers.  The one with Weaving gets a page faster than the other because he can thunderstorm next to the houses and kill the ones inside.

“I am missing only 2 pages now on atl after attending for around 30 seconds every other day with a bok mage”

I decided to try our spawn that has been on LS for days.  I was alone and got a page this AM, then went back on a different toon and got a page now.  Neither toon advanced the spawn so it was the mages and leftover stuff.

I still have no idea how these Dynamic Spawns work on participation rewards.

"for days"...  Spawns are reset at server up right?  (max 1 day)

Everything summarized in the other thread appears to be holding true.

ForeverFun said:

"for days"...  Spawns are reset at server up right?  (max 1 day)

Everything summarized in the other thread appears to be holding true.

No these do not reset with server up.  That would be nice.  If you leave the Rabbit there tonight it is still there tomorrow as far as I can tell.  I am not going to wake up that early and prove it tho. 🙂

“All champion spawns do reset at serve down, scheduled or unscheduled, i haven’t seen any evidence of this one acting uniquely

trading page 4/5 for 12/13 on Atl”

Ok then there is no reason to complain about shard size and how often a shard does it. 

I just gave it up, Not worth the time spent.

To compare this to the other 2 Dynamic Spawns

I got 30 or so cubes.
I got 33 or so Statues
I have 35 pages so far.

Basically I have gotten better at trying to figure out how to get the drops.

I play a lot more hours than a high percentage of players and have multiple accounts to use. IMO the drop rate for the participation reward is too low.

Hopefully Wildfire begins SOON!  

Dont forget to get the action figure from Soulless Seduction by turning in Hooks map to the NPC at Bucs Den at the Orchid Spa.  

Pawain said:

Cinderella said:

McDougle said:

i don't think anyone chooses the boss it's just random....

EM Xanthus said that they choose the abilities for the boss.
I like the 100/75/50/25 style boss for EM events.
(because it gives everyone a chance to get a drop)
And when he asked, we said we liked the event in Eastern Refuge...
but we should have said that it was a lil too much to handle for less than 10 people.
It took us 56 mins the other night to take it down.

You showed up at the very end of one on Sonoma that took over an hour for the boss. I spent 4 hours on the spawn.  There was just one other player doing the spawn. Luckily more showed when I said it was on the last level. I took a pic. There are 9 players in it. We were calling for a bard to discord it but I guess they all logged.

5 plus hours. No page for me.

I'm not sure which spawn you were doing, when I showed up.
the one I was referring to, I saw them call out when the rabbit popped & the time was stamped when they called out. thats how I got the 56 mins.

I haven't been able to go there as much as I would like too. I had surgery last week and haven't played much since then. Only a couple hours at a time.

@Cinderella ; The date of the uncropped pic was 5 - 31

These players were there at the time it is about to pop to more HP.

It took 4 or more hours for 2 to 4 of us to get the Yamandons.  We called in chat at that point.
It took at least an hour to kill the bunny with most of these players.  You came in when it popped to 25% HP.  May not be the same rabbit that you recall.  I had a Dog and was constantly healing the players so they would not die and leave. lol  There was a Bard there during level 3 but they left.

The Rabbit on Atlantic does not regen HP when it goes to 0 and you do not have to heal players around it.  Unknown why they make harder versions on smaller shards.  Notice how so many people in that pic are constantly healing something.  On Atl you barely have to heal your pet.

@Pawain that was my birthday.
I wasn't on much that day. 
Two of the people in that pic are guild members.
pretty cool pic.