Drop rate for Fey Artifacts in Destard is really abysmally low....

No wonder that players prefer to gather eggs.... even when, at least to my liking, it is royally boring and monotonous (I do not script.....).

I wear 2,500+ Luck and still, I cannot get Fey Artifact drops in Destard at a rate anywhere comparable with gathering eggs...

And, on top of that, I die lots in Destard with all the related annoyances and insurance costs.

@Kyronix , perhaps it is necessary to up the Fey Artifacts drop rate and quite a bit ?

The other thread more focused on paragons and I hate to say it but I agree with popps..

Mariah said:

I believe this issue is already covered in this thread?

https://forum.uo.com/discussion/10553/treasures-of-the-fey-feedback#latest

Yes, you are right, there is the other feedback thread yet, I felt that this topic deserved a thread of its own because a mere post in that other thread might see the message get perhaps lost among many other posts....

Just as an example, I was just in the 2nd level of Destard, wearing 2,500+ Luck, and after killing 5 Drakes, 5 Daemons, 4 Mages, 3 or 4 serpents and even a Weald Protector and a Shadow Wyrm, I got zero drop....

Sure, they were all regular, no Paragons... but killing those 20 decent monsters with the amount of Luck that I am wearing, should have given me at least a couple of drops and, yet, I got none...

If we get drops for killing that amount those easy things, we would just have to play a couple of days. All but the SW are 1 or two hit kills depending on if I did double strike or not.

popps said:

Just as an example, I was just in the 2nd level of Destard, wearing 2,500+ Luck, and after killing 5 Drakes, 5 Daemons, 4 Mages, 3 or 4 serpents and even a Weald Protector and a Shadow Wyrm, I got zero drop....

Sure, they were all regular, no Paragons... but killing those 20 decent monsters with the amount of Luck that I am wearing, should have given me at least a couple of drops and, yet, I got none...

The amount of luck you are wearing has probably diminished your killing power significantly.

Choices.

I'm just going to disagree, between egg gathering and killing in the dungeon, I have gotten an Ankh, a title, a quiver, and a fey slayer tally on 3 shards. and all this with only having less than 10 hours a week to play. 

I have divided my time between Europa and Origin. Bearing in mind that I live in UK and Origin is a West coast shard. I have managed to use my Origin tamer to fill the lore book and get a talisman for my archer, after which I used my archer to get her own quiver, the ankh and 2 pedestals. Admittedly I took a break and gathered eggs part of the time, but I handed in more dungeon drops than ingots.
I would guess that the drop rate takes into account the length of time the event was scheduled to be active, it is also closely linked to the fame of the creatures you are killing, with, I believe, a slight emphasis on the fey creatures. 
In your list you killed ONE fey creature, other than that only the shadow wyrm has significant fame. I suspect that you are killing the wrong things and too slowly. Daemon go down in 2 hits usually.  I would estimate that the 20 creatures you killed should have taken no more than 10 minutes, if that.

Pawain said:

If we get drops for killing that amount those easy things, we would just have to play a couple of days. All but the SW are 1 or two hit kills depending on if I did double strike or not.

popps said:

Just as an example, I was just in the 2nd level of Destard, wearing 2,500+ Luck, and after killing 5 Drakes, 5 Daemons, 4 Mages, 3 or 4 serpents and even a Weald Protector and a Shadow Wyrm, I got zero drop....

Sure, they were all regular, no Paragons... but killing those 20 decent monsters with the amount of Luck that I am wearing, should have given me at least a couple of drops and, yet, I got none...

The amount of luck you are wearing has probably diminished your killing power significantly.

Choices.

To my opinion, the 2 conditions should balance out one another....

That is, since, as you well say my worn Luck has diminished considerably my killing power, with that worn Luck, I would still need to be able, by Designed mechanics, to earn as many drops as another players wearing less Luck BUT, having more killing power and, therefore, killing a lot more as myself in the same given time....

That is, with 2,500+ worn Luck, my 20 regular, non-paragon kills, should count towards Fey Artifacts drops rate, as much as another player wearing much less Luck but killing, say, 50 Creatures including Paragons among them....

As you said, choices.... but in the end, the Design of the Event should provide the same equal Fey Artifacts drops to those players wearing high Luck but killing much less and of lower quality kills as those players who, instead, wear much less Luck but, with gear more focused on killing power, can kill a lot more and of higher quality monsters.

It is called game BALANCE, to my opinion...

@Kyronix ?

Petra_Fyde said:

I have divided my time between Europa and Origin. Bearing in mind that I live in UK and Origin is a West coast shard. I have managed to use my Origin tamer to fill the lore book and get a talisman for my archer, after which I used my archer to get her own quiver, the ankh and 2 pedestals. Admittedly I took a break and gathered eggs part of the time, but I handed in more dungeon drops than ingots.
I would guess that the drop rate takes into account the length of time the event was scheduled to be active, it is also closely linked to the fame of the creatures you are killing, with, I believe, a slight emphasis on the fey creatures. 
In your list you killed ONE fey creature, other than that only the shadow wyrm has significant fame. I suspect that you are killing the wrong things and too slowly. Daemon go down in 2 hits usually.  I would estimate that the 20 creatures you killed should have taken no more than 10 minutes, if that.

Normally, I would agree with this 100%.  However, lately, I have gotten way more artifacts just running around farming arrows off centaurs than helping kill big paragons camping the doorways.  This whole event, I have been reading that paragons and high fame critters yield better drop rates, but I have experienced the exact opposite.  I found I am more likely to get drops in a secluded corner where I monopolize the spawn.  Which seems to go against the very nature of events like this...

Victim_Of_Siege said:

I'm just going to disagree, between egg gathering and killing in the dungeon, I have gotten an Ankh, a title, a quiver, and a fey slayer tally on 3 shards. and all this with only having less than 10 hours a week to play. 

But you're a slacker and don't spend as much time complaining as us professionals do 

I agree with Petra that I’ve definitely noticed a bias toward getting drops from Fey mobs over the native Destard spawn.

McDougle said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

I'm just going to disagree, between egg gathering and killing in the dungeon, I have gotten an Ankh, a title, a quiver, and a fey slayer tally on 3 shards. and all this with only having less than 10 hours a week to play. 

But you're a slacker and don't spend as much time complaining as us professionals do 

Agreed, I slack so hard my tailbone is curved . . .

Merus said:

I agree with Petra that I’ve definitely noticed a bias toward getting drops from Fey mobs over the native Destard spawn.

I don't know....

Just killed, ming you, wearing 2,500+ Luck, 2 Paragon Wyverns and 1 Paragon Unicorn and, guess what ?

I got zero Fey Artifact drop, none, nada....

I do not think it is working right.... 3 Paragons with 2,500+ Luck worn and no drop ?

My understanding was that Luck does not affect the likelihood of a drop, but rather the mods on the drop.  Although, I also feel like we've heard it every which way at one point or another. 

Merlin said:

My understanding was that Luck does not affect the likelihood of a drop, but rather the mods on the drop.  Although, I also feel like we've heard it every which way at one point or another. 

There is a post from Kyronix on these Forums, to my recallection, that instead indeed mentions that worn Luck does increase the chance of a "Treasure of" Artifact drop....

If I find a Link I will post it.... @Mariah , can you perhaps help here ?

EDIT. There you go, found it.... https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/59520/#Comment_59520

Yep.  Devs confirm a long while back that luck affects drop rates.   The potion of glorious fortune is a luck potion.  

Getting a little tired of reading these posts.  Instead of a rather terse 11 word response maybe some clue as to what the drop rate is actually based on (appreciate that you did reveal luck).  And, maybe the targeted drop rate.  In the past thought drop rate was based on normal and para things killed plus players brought back to life plus times killed. To be honest in other events killing paras seemed to increase my drop rate but in this one it seems to be more a waste of my time.

last three nights dungeon has been quite playable without regard to the drop rate.  I did about what I expected drop wise for the amount of time that I played which works out to maybe a half dozen or so drops per hour.   If you are alone, you need to take the time to pick you targets carefully.

popps said:

Merlin said:

My understanding was that Luck does not affect the likelihood of a drop, but rather the mods on the drop.  Although, I also feel like we've heard it every which way at one point or another. 

There is a post from Kyronix on these Forums, to my recallection, that instead indeed mentions that worn Luck does increase the chance of a "Treasure of" Artifact drop....

If I find a Link I will post it.... @ Mariah , can you perhaps help here ?

EDIT. There you go, found it.... https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/59520/#Comment_59520

Thanks for the Clarification, or should i say re-clarification.

 many of my characters have high luck it doesn't necessarily lower my killing power or help with drops 

@popps How funny you bring up a thread from a dungeon last year where I posted  I was getting 3 to 4 drops an hour.

Exactly the same I am getting now!  

@McDougle

So was that dungeon broken also?  I guess all of them are...

 😂

I guess I got better, I'm getting 5 to 6 in Destard per hour. 

Drop rate seems very much the same as previous events.  Killing 3 paragons doesn’t mean getting a drop. Sometimes I go in an get like 3 or 4 drops on 20 min. Sometimes I get 1 in the same amount of time. That’s just how it is imo. 

"You have to ask yourself the question, if you get more drops doing eggs then why are you fighting in the dungeon?
i suspect one is more fun to do than the other. Plus there is a chance of getting good loot in the dungeon, gains in honor or skills. “

Its fundamentally broken if the eggs are a more efficient way to get drops than the main event.  Period.

I played the previous dungeons HARD, like I lived there for the duration.  The drop rate here is not the same.  It might just be the amount of movement needed, more spread out spawn, but this one is significantly less.  

Kaz said:

Its fundamentally broken if the eggs are a more efficient way to get drops than the main event.  Period.

I played the previous dungeons HARD, like I lived there for the duration.  The drop rate here is not the same.  It might just be the amount of movement needed, more spread out spawn, but this one is significantly less.  

I would get 15-20 drops an hour in Hythloth without a potion.  

Good honest review helps to improve the game. Likewise, some think we are noobs doing our first treasure event for the first time. Some people are just the "yes sir yes sir". Everything is OK.

Kaz said:

Its fundamentally broken if the eggs are a more efficient way to get drops than the main event.  Period.

I played the previous dungeons HARD, like I lived there for the duration.  The drop rate here is not the same.  It might just be the amount of movement needed, more spread out spawn, but this one is significantly less.  

I would get 15-20 drops an hour in Hythloth without a potion.  

I would second this as I agree with every single part (especially the first part). 

In Hythloth, I was getting 20ish drops an hour without a potion or luck statue. When I'd use my luck statue (+1200 luck), I'd be closer to 30 drops an hour. I was able to do that consistently. My best in Destard without a potion but WITH luck statue is 18 but on average it's 15 (depending how many paragons I have to kill). 

I don't think the problem is necessarily that the drop rate changed on the spawn but really due to the stuff being so spread out that you often need to run a few screens just to kill one thing. So if anything I think the actual problem is that the dynamic treasures event was a cookie cutter design that doesn't necessarily fit every dungeon. In dungeons like Deceit and Hythloth (and Orc Dungeon on Origin when it started) the cookie cutter design was perfect, but what we saw is that when applied to Fire & Destard it didn't really fit as well.

I think some additional consideration needs to be taken into account when selecting the dungeon and the cookie cutter might need tweaked. In this case, I think that the fey spawn should be increased in Destard while keeping a cap on number of paragons.

I have never got 20 drops per hour in any of these dungeons.

keven2002 said:

Kaz said:

Its fundamentally broken if the eggs are a more efficient way to get drops than the main event.  Period.

I played the previous dungeons HARD, like I lived there for the duration.  The drop rate here is not the same.  It might just be the amount of movement needed, more spread out spawn, but this one is significantly less.  

I would get 15-20 drops an hour in Hythloth without a potion.  

I would second this as I agree with every single part (especially the first part). 

In Hythloth, I was getting 20ish drops an hour without a potion or luck statue. When I'd use my luck statue (+1200 luck), I'd be closer to 30 drops an hour. I was able to do that consistently. My best in Destard without a potion but WITH luck statue is 18 but on average it's 15 (depending how many paragons I have to kill). 

I don't think the problem is necessarily that the drop rate changed on the spawn but really due to the stuff being so spread out that you often need to run a few screens just to kill one thing. So if anything I think the actual problem is that the dynamic treasures event was a cookie cutter design that doesn't necessarily fit every dungeon. In dungeons like Deceit and Hythloth (and Orc Dungeon on Origin when it started) the cookie cutter design was perfect, but what we saw is that when applied to Fire & Destard it didn't really fit as well.

I think some additional consideration needs to be taken into account when selecting the dungeon and the cookie cutter might need tweaked. In this case, I think that the fey spawn should be increased in Destard while keeping a cap on number of paragons.

also keep in mind Destard has no doors where you can trap n'  store all the hard para's.... if you get a cluster of greater dragons or shadow wyrm paras.  they have to be dealt with at some point.

Pawain said:

I have never got 20 drops per hour in any of these dungeons.

Pawain said:

I have never got 20 drops per hour in any of these dungeons.

Same 

You only get three things for killing monsters in this dungeon hit points from the damage you do, fame from killing certain monsters, and damage points you take from monsters.  Think your drop rate is based solely on those three items.  Don’t see any players razing other players so don’t that is factored into the drop calculation.  Pretty sure you have to kill monsters that give you fame (think this is the right term).  Also, kill monsters that have fey in the name.  Don’t really think luck plays much of a role at all.  When I played in here earlier casting earthquake seemed to get me more drops than anything else.   Currently think the egg collectors get way more drops per hour than the few players I see in the dungeon.  As far as drops go think the regular fey dragons are your best bet for drops.

Kyronix stated luck does play a role. 

Arnold7 said:

You only get three things for killing monsters in this dungeon hit points from the damage you do, fame from killing certain monsters, and damage points you take from monsters.  Think your drop rate is based solely on those three items.  Don’t see any players razing other players so don’t that is factored into the drop calculation.  Pretty sure you have to kill monsters that give you fame (think this is the right term).  Also, kill monsters that have fey in the name.  Don’t really think luck plays much of a role at all.  When I played in here earlier casting earthquake seemed to get me more drops than anything else.   Currently think the egg collectors get way more drops per hour than the few players I see in the dungeon.  As far as drops go think the regular fey dragons are your best bet for drops.

 I wound up having some help figuring out an egg collection route and in about an hour I collected 70 eggs or 7 points. That said I am pretty slow at this so far, and didn't have much time to practice today. This was with about half a dozen other people competing with me for the same thing. 

 If you can make 20 points in an hour killing in Destard your probably doing better that many egg collectors, though I'd imagine the really fast ones I saw like Eight Ball and Zelda might be able to pull down something similar, especially if they know spots I don't (this is on Chesapeake). 

 Yes I am slow, but I figure even if I get better and double my rate of egg collection that's still only 14 points per hour. The situation is likely also far more competitive on other servers. Here there seemed to be plenty of eggs to go around (if people beat me to them, it never felt like a huge deal) someplace like Atlantic I'd imagine it's brutal.  

Therumancer said:

 If you can make 20 points in an hour killing in Destard your probably doing better that many egg collectors, though I'd imagine the really fast ones I saw like Eight Ball and Zelda might be able to pull down something similar, especially if they know spots I don't (this is on Chesapeake). 

 Yes I am slow, but I figure even if I get better and double my rate of egg collection that's still only 14 points per hour. The situation is likely also far more competitive on other servers. Here there seemed to be plenty of eggs to go around (if people beat me to them, it never felt like a huge deal) someplace like Atlantic I'd imagine it's brutal.  

Make a rune set to get you from house to house esp. in Britain.  That’s what the real eggers are doing now.  I was riding from house to house and doing well until last night when I was up against three or four others using runes.  They cut my egg collecting success by two thirds.  So I made a rune set and am now competing with them.  Think one or two or maybe all four could have been bots.  They did not all act or look like players.  None of them would talk to me.  Anyway bots or not, if you want to compete suggest you make the rune set.

Was playing in the dungeon and doing pretty well kill wise but if it’s rewards you seek start egging.  With a little practice and ingenuity 10 to 15 ingots an hour and no death robes.  And, by the way with all the competition it’s not boring anymore.

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Therumancer said:

 If you can make 20 points in an hour killing in Destard your probably doing better that many egg collectors, though I'd imagine the really fast ones I saw like Eight Ball and Zelda might be able to pull down something similar, especially if they know spots I don't (this is on Chesapeake). 

 Yes I am slow, but I figure even if I get better and double my rate of egg collection that's still only 14 points per hour. The situation is likely also far more competitive on other servers. Here there seemed to be plenty of eggs to go around (if people beat me to them, it never felt like a huge deal) someplace like Atlantic I'd imagine it's brutal.  

I've seen Zelda on Napa too, he mostly scripts the small islands in Tokuno.

On Atlantic, it's like a never ending parade of egg scripters. Just stand at Gregorio and watch the parade pop in and out non stop like clockwork. No point whatsoever in trying to compete as a legit player.

For all the egg scripting that i see going on on Napa, there's actually very few Ingots or reward items for sale on VS, which is telling me that the bulk of the eggs are being shipped off to Atlantic somehow (that's a LOT of transfers).

anyone doing something better than you is a scripter? lol from a very legit "legendary egg collector"!

PlayerSkillFTW said:

For all the egg scripting that i see going on on Napa, there's actually very few Ingots or reward items for sale on VS, which is telling me that the bulk of the eggs are being shipped off to Atlantic somehow (that's a LOT of transfers).

This is an unlikely explanation.

If it's indeed scripting for eggs, odds are the ingots are being turned in for rewards on the shard where the scripting is occurring.  The rewards are then "banked", waiting for future sales down the road, where the prices will probably inflate over time.  

Given that EJ accounts can collect eggs, no skills are needed for egg collection, and automated scripts are already available publicly, there is no reason for people not to script multiple shards.

Transferring eggs across shards isn't necessary at all, and would be incredibly inefficient compared to just collecting eggs, ingots, and rewards on multiple shards.

Occam's razor.

Yes, the drop rate in destard is (now) much lower compared to past events.  30-50 per hour, without a potion was more typical in past events.  10-15 /hour is about the rate now.  That's with about 2K luck, and luck does make a difference.

30-50 an hour? That’s insane. 

dvvid said:

30-50 an hour? That’s insane. 

Yeah.... I would like to know with what type of Template 30-50 drops an hour might be achievable and,mind you, without a Posion....

@ForeverFun , care to share some details ?

Just finished for the night.  Did not see anyone in the dungeon.  Just two bots and possibly a third collecting eggs.  Third one could have been human.  Seems to fast to be human but might be.

Archangel said:

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Therumancer said:

 If you can make 20 points in an hour killing in Destard your probably doing better that many egg collectors, though I'd imagine the really fast ones I saw like Eight Ball and Zelda might be able to pull down something similar, especially if they know spots I don't (this is on Chesapeake). 

 Yes I am slow, but I figure even if I get better and double my rate of egg collection that's still only 14 points per hour. The situation is likely also far more competitive on other servers. Here there seemed to be plenty of eggs to go around (if people beat me to them, it never felt like a huge deal) someplace like Atlantic I'd imagine it's brutal.  

I've seen Zelda on Napa too, he mostly scripts the small islands in Tokuno.

On Atlantic, it's like a never ending parade of egg scripters. Just stand at Gregorio and watch the parade pop in and out non stop like clockwork. No point whatsoever in trying to compete as a legit player.

For all the egg scripting that i see going on on Napa, there's actually very few Ingots or reward items for sale on VS, which is telling me that the bulk of the eggs are being shipped off to Atlantic somehow (that's a LOT of transfers).

anyone doing something better than you is a scripter? lol from a very legit "legendary egg collector"!

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Archangel said:

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Therumancer said:

 If you can make 20 points in an hour killing in Destard your probably doing better that many egg collectors, though I'd imagine the really fast ones I saw like Eight Ball and Zelda might be able to pull down something similar, especially if they know spots I don't (this is on Chesapeake). 

 Yes I am slow, but I figure even if I get better and double my rate of egg collection that's still only 14 points per hour. The situation is likely also far more competitive on other servers. Here there seemed to be plenty of eggs to go around (if people beat me to them, it never felt like a huge deal) someplace like Atlantic I'd imagine it's brutal.  

I've seen Zelda on Napa too, he mostly scripts the small islands in Tokuno.

On Atlantic, it's like a never ending parade of egg scripters. Just stand at Gregorio and watch the parade pop in and out non stop like clockwork. No point whatsoever in trying to compete as a legit player.

For all the egg scripting that i see going on on Napa, there's actually very few Ingots or reward items for sale on VS, which is telling me that the bulk of the eggs are being shipped off to Atlantic somehow (that's a LOT of transfers).

anyone doing something better than you is a scripter? lol from a very legit "legendary egg collector"!

It's pretty obvious when the same char (same exact name, same exact look) is farming eggs on multiple shards at the same exact time, that it's a scripter. When i farm eggs on Napa, i have a Runic Atlas full of marked egg spots, i use EC (Pinco's UI) where i can just hold Ctrl+Shift and run by an egg to automatically pick it up, and have made a macro to toggle quest item on 10 eggs. I'm pretty efficient at it.

When i said "No point whatsoever in trying to compete as a legit player", i was referring specifically to Atlantic. The eggs are so heavily script farmed there it's ridiculous. Seriously, just sit at Gregorio and watch the endless parade show up like clockwork. This music will be playing in your head in no time.

Other shards though? Less competition. so even with a couple scripters you can still farm them.

lol, yeah, I could imagine, but outside of shopping I avoid Atlantic.. it seems all over there is a cheat or script, or trap

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Archangel said:

PlayerSkillFTW said:

Therumancer said:

 If you can make 20 points in an hour killing in Destard your probably doing better that many egg collectors, though I'd imagine the really fast ones I saw like Eight Ball and Zelda might be able to pull down something similar, especially if they know spots I don't (this is on Chesapeake). 

 Yes I am slow, but I figure even if I get better and double my rate of egg collection that's still only 14 points per hour. The situation is likely also far more competitive on other servers. Here there seemed to be plenty of eggs to go around (if people beat me to them, it never felt like a huge deal) someplace like Atlantic I'd imagine it's brutal.  

I've seen Zelda on Napa too, he mostly scripts the small islands in Tokuno.

On Atlantic, it's like a never ending parade of egg scripters. Just stand at Gregorio and watch the parade pop in and out non stop like clockwork. No point whatsoever in trying to compete as a legit player.

For all the egg scripting that i see going on on Napa, there's actually very few Ingots or reward items for sale on VS, which is telling me that the bulk of the eggs are being shipped off to Atlantic somehow (that's a LOT of transfers).

anyone doing something better than you is a scripter? lol from a very legit "legendary egg collector"!

It's pretty obvious when the same char (same exact name, same exact look) is farming eggs on multiple shards at the same exact time, that it's a scripter. When i farm eggs on Napa, i have a Runic Atlas full of marked egg spots, i use EC (Pinco's UI) where i can just hold Ctrl+Shift and run by an egg to automatically pick it up, and have made a macro to toggle quest item on 10 eggs. I'm pretty efficient at it.

When i said "No point whatsoever in trying to compete as a legit player", i was referring specifically to Atlantic. The eggs are so heavily script farmed there it's ridiculous. Seriously, just sit at Gregorio and watch the endless parade show up like clockwork. This music will be playing in your head in no time.

Other shards though? Less competition. so even with a couple scripters you can still farm them.

@PlayerSkillFTW

.......and have made a macro to toggle quest item on 10 eggs.....

Do you mind to share the details of such a Macro (with Pinco's) ?

I am asking, because I tried it and it did not work for me.... I ended up having to click the 10 eggs 1 at a time...

Thanks.

dvvid said:

30-50 an hour? That’s insane. 

That's about right for every other dungeon except Destard. I'm usually on the lower end of that but it wasn't uncommon to be in the 30-40 range for every other dungeon. My average for Destard is half of that.

I went to Destard yesterday only to see 4 paragon shadow wyrms on level 2 and 1 on level 3 among other things. I was actually able to talk one of my few remaining friends playing UO into helping me clear them (obviously we were bored) which took us about 20-25min (another sampire joined us mid way). Result was that I died twice (he died zero) and I ended up with 3 drops (I killed a bunch of non-paragon stuff to clear around paragons). Had I not seen my friend in the dungeon already in Destard, there is a good chance I would have just left and kept putting together LRC suits to sell (which I've spent more time doing in the past 2 weeks than actually playing the dungeon).

keven2002 said:

dvvid said:

30-50 an hour? That’s insane. 

That's about right for every other dungeon except Destard. I'm usually on the lower end of that but it wasn't uncommon to be in the 30-40 range for every other dungeon. My average for Destard is half of that.

I went to Destard yesterday only to see 4 paragon shadow wyrms on level 2 and 1 on level 3 among other things. I was actually able to talk one of my few remaining friends playing UO into helping me clear them (obviously we were bored) which took us about 20-25min (another sampire joined us mid way). Result was that I died twice (he died zero) and I ended up with 3 drops (I killed a bunch of non-paragon stuff to clear around paragons). Had I not seen my friend in the dungeon already in Destard, there is a good chance I would have justin left and kept putting together LRC suits to sell (which I've spent more time doing in the past 2 weeks than actually playing the dungeon).

The spawn area on LS has plenty of things to kill and most are Fey. You can either not kill the SW or drag the paras away. Not sure why you want to do the ramps.

Pawain said:

keven2002 said:

dvvid said:

30-50 an hour? That’s insane. 

That's about right for every other dungeon except Destard. I'm usually on the lower end of that but it wasn't uncommon to be in the 30-40 range for every other dungeon. My average for Destard is half of that.

I went to Destard yesterday only to see 4 paragon shadow wyrms on level 2 and 1 on level 3 among other things. I was actually able to talk one of my few remaining friends playing UO into helping me clear them (obviously we were bored) which took us about 20-25min (another sampire joined us mid way). Result was that I died twice (he died zero) and I ended up with 3 drops (I killed a bunch of non-paragon stuff to clear around paragons). Had I not seen my friend in the dungeon already in Destard, there is a good chance I would have justin left and kept putting together LRC suits to sell (which I've spent more time doing in the past 2 weeks than actually playing the dungeon).

The spawn area on LS has plenty of things to kill and most are Fey. You can either not kill the SW or drag the paras away. Not sure why you want to do the ramps.

I was on LS all day yesterday and it was the same as every other shard a couple players inside with too many paragons not enough spawn and plenty of ding ding ding happening outside...

McDougle said:

Pawain said:

keven2002 said:

dvvid said:

30-50 an hour? That’s insane. 

That's about right for every other dungeon except Destard. I'm usually on the lower end of that but it wasn't uncommon to be in the 30-40 range for every other dungeon. My average for Destard is half of that.

I went to Destard yesterday only to see 4 paragon shadow wyrms on level 2 and 1 on level 3 among other things. I was actually able to talk one of my few remaining friends playing UO into helping me clear them (obviously we were bored) which took us about 20-25min (another sampire joined us mid way). Result was that I died twice (he died zero) and I ended up with 3 drops (I killed a bunch of non-paragon stuff to clear around paragons). Had I not seen my friend in the dungeon already in Destard, there is a good chance I would have justin left and kept putting together LRC suits to sell (which I've spent more time doing in the past 2 weeks than actually playing the dungeon).

The spawn area on LS has plenty of things to kill and most are Fey. You can either not kill the SW or drag the paras away. Not sure why you want to do the ramps.

I was on LS all day yesterday and it was the same as every other shard a couple players inside with too many paragons not enough spawn and plenty of ding ding ding happening outside...

Yes eggs are easier. Players go to the path of least resistance. And like I keep saying, everyone on LS has the suits, and  rewards they want. So only a few of us want the deco items. I prefer not having anyone in the spawn area.  No paragons are dragged to me.

Correct me if I am wrong. Paragons in the dungeon means someone was in there killing stuff, right.

keven2002 said:

My playstyle is to maximize my drops per hour (not everyone has 8 hours a night to devote to UO) so I will go kill wherever I need to which includes ramps because that's where most people become overwhelmed and leave things there. It's also ironic that you, a person that has already admitted to an average drop rate of 6 (?) per hour, are trying to question me doing the ramps when I've already said I probably average 15/hr. Trust me if there was a more optimal way (without cheating) to get more drops, I would have probably already figured it out much sooner than 2.5 weeks before the event ends. The fact remains that even at 15-20 drops per hour that is much less than literally every other dungeon I've done (I'm just comparing my own drops over each spawn which has been consistent until Destard).

When I get tired of eggs, I get on my archer and kill NE spawn on 1st. I can continually kill every 5-15 sec if alone. The 15-20 an hr drop rate is about what I get. I only stay for 10 drops then take a break. That usually takes me 30-45 min. Then I get bored again and do something else. By then the spawn has slowed down and I have to try to go clear 2nd floor to get it going again. Yeah all other events were higher rate on a different toon. Destard is by far the lowest drop rate of them all.

heh, many of you won't accept it but the answer is simple.  They want you to buy the pay to win potions.  The drop difference is night and day.  You can get 40 an hour in group, more if your an Aoer.  With out the potion, you will get like 10.  If your lucky

meltedmantis said:

heh, many of you won't accept it but the answer is simple.  They want you to buy the pay to win potions.  The drop difference is night and day.  You can get 40 an hour in group, more if your an Aoer.  With out the potion, you will get like 10.  If your lucky

Past event 20ish with potion for me this one 9ish 

And as I've said over and over acknowledgement and accountability the bugs are expected but to totally ignore the player base or offer weak behind the scenes fixes that fix a slap in our faces then to go underground pathetic...

meltedmantis said:

heh, many of you won't accept it but the answer is simple.  They want you to buy the pay to win potions.  The drop difference is night and day.  You can get 40 an hour in group, more if your an Aoer.  With out the potion, you will get like 10.  If your lucky

And what about those players who, whatever their reasons, do not want or cannot afford to purchase the Potions and, yet, do not find it fun to experience such a low drop rate ?

What if several of them were to then be deterred, because of this situation, from playing UO and were to stop playing it for good ?

What good would it do to Ultima Online to see players leaving and its player's base further shrinking due to the way that the game plays out which they do not find enjoyable in their "entertainment" time ?

There is plenty of games out there to spend one's own entertainment time on....

popps said:

meltedmantis said:

heh, many of you won't accept it but the answer is simple.  They want you to buy the pay to win potions.  The drop difference is night and day.  You can get 40 an hour in group, more if your an Aoer.  With out the potion, you will get like 10.  If your lucky

And what about those players who, whatever their reasons, do not want or cannot afford to purchase the Potions and, yet, do not find it fun to experience such a low drop rate ?

What if several of them were to then be deterred, because of this situation, from playing UO and were to stop playing it for good ?

What good would it do to Ultima Online to see players leaving and its player's base further shrinking due to the way that the game plays out which they do not find enjoyable in their "entertainment" time ?

There is plenty of games out there to spend one's own entertainment time on....

You need to start with a decent pc. Not that windows 8 crap you run and winder why pincos does not work 

popps said:

meltedmantis said:

heh, many of you won't accept it but the answer is simple.  They want you to buy the pay to win potions.  The drop difference is night and day.  You can get 40 an hour in group, more if your an Aoer.  With out the potion, you will get like 10.  If your lucky

And what about those players who, whatever their reasons, do not want or cannot afford to purchase the Potions and, yet, do not find it fun to experience such a low drop rate ?

What if several of them were to then be deterred, because of this situation, from playing UO and were to stop playing it for good ?

What good would it do to Ultima Online to see players leaving and its player's base further shrinking due to the way that the game plays out which they do not find enjoyable in their "entertainment" time ?

There is plenty of games out there to spend one's own entertainment time on....

I'm not saying its good or right.  I totally agree with you.  I'm just saying, low drop rate = more money for them, therefore I wouldn't expect this to change on future events.  Personally I was REALLY looking forward to this event, but its has been so slow and boring, the only thing that is keeping me from canceling atm is my castle.

meltedmantis said:

I'm not saying its good or right.  I totally agree with you.  I'm just saying, low drop rate = more money for them, therefore I wouldn't expect this to change on future events.  Personally I was REALLY looking forward to this event, but its has been so slow and boring, the only thing that is keeping me from canceling atm is my castle.

I'm in the same boat. For me the stingy drop rate did the exact opposite though; I literally only used 1 potion (had a couple laying around from last event) before deciding it just wasn't worth it. I chalked up this event about a month ago when it was clear the Devs were not going to listen to their customers by opening Fel up. Since then I've played maybe 15-20 hours total mostly building suits to sell on my vendor and maybe spending 3-4 hours actually playing the event which I would have called you crazy if you told me that before the event started. 

PlayerSkillFTW said:
I've seen Zelda on Napa too, he mostly scripts the small islands in Tokuno.

Zelda on Chessy is a she, she dresses like a she and she always stops to get a focus, chat in alliance chat, get on Discord or join a fight. 

So, it might not be the same person. 

TXEggplant said:

PlayerSkillFTW said:
I've seen Zelda on Napa too, he mostly scripts the small islands in Tokuno.

Zelda on Chessy is a she, she dresses like a she and she always stops to get a focus, chat in alliance chat, get on Discord or join a fight. 

So, it might not be the same person. 

Maybe She decided to identify as a He, recently.

First, I do not play on other shards, unless it's like for Deal or no Deal.  Second... I do not script!  If you have to cheat to play, why play?  Last, I am female, not that it matters, what my gender is.   Thanks for having my back Txe : ) 

TXEggplant said:

PlayerSkillFTW said:
I've seen Zelda on Napa too, he mostly scripts the small islands in Tokuno.

Zelda on Chessy is a she, she dresses like a she and she always stops to get a focus, chat in alliance chat, get on Discord or join a fight. 

So, it might not be the same person.