Sanction the Constellation Client if we're not going to stop it

Allow everyone to run 30 bots at ToTs if we're not going to block it. Let's turn Ultima Online to Bot Online, it is anyways. Might as well put everyone on a fair playing ground like the PVPers want right? Right? F*cking ridiculous how these 50+ sampire bot trains are paged on 3 times a day but are still there 24/7 from server up till server down. These accounts should be banned for that fact alone.  

lol at first I didn’t understand the constellation client being a synonym for a well known illegal client. For a second I thought we had another client named Constellation Client to be worried about. 

On Catskills, I've noticed the return of a few stacked groups of throwers/archers/sampires that run through town. A global chat argument that they were just using the auto follow didn't really match what I witnessed. Now there may be more, as I don't really mess with the Hive for the invasion, but it's clearly continuing.

To me, the concern is the # of people using illegal clients (regardless of for "botting," scripting in PVP, or simply quality of life benefits). Given, as far as I can tell from the forum, there were not even automated warnings to accounts observed connecting with these illegal clients. That begs the question: is the # of paid accounts using these clients significant enough that potentially actioning them is a financial threat to UO as a whole?

Venom said:That begs the question: is the # of paid accounts using these clients significant enough that potentially actioning them is a financial threat to UO as a whole?

They should be banned. If the game closes because of it then so be it.
Otherwise they're so sure many people that use them would quit if they didn't have access, and thus kill the game, the only logical conclusion would be to say it's legal and watch subscriptions go through the roof. 

So then why are we getting the worst of both worlds stuck in this purgatory? We can't have this closeted crap we're it's illegal but they turn a blind eye towards it.

I want UO like I want the Olympics: everyone enhanced and on steroids! I'm sick of spending time at this ToT and all my effort is worthless. Let everyone do it, or let no one.

username said:

I want UO like I want the Olympics: everyone enhanced and on steroids! I'm sick of spending time at this ToT and all my effort is worthless. Let everyone do it, or let no one.

I'd like to report an increase in Legit whiney players again.

When the bots went, the whiney players seemed to vanish also, now the bots are back, so are the whiney players - is there a correlation, are they the same people?

Did whiney people create bots, or bots create whiney people?

A lot of players think, the legit whiney players ARE the bots, deflecting away from themselves.

Cookie said:

I'd like to report an increase in Legit whiney players again.

When the bots went, the whiney players seemed to vanish also, now the bots are back, so are the whiney players - is there a correlation, are they the same people?

keven2002 said:

Cookie said:

I'd like to report an increase in Legit whiney players again.

When the bots went, the whiney players seemed to vanish also, now the bots are back, so are the whiney players - is there a correlation, are they the same people?

This isn't true. There were suddenly several "new" accounts posting here on the forums trolling about how banning "O" was going to be the end of the game and all the PvP people quit etc etc. So there were plenty of whiney "O" users that couldn't actually log in using their preferred client and they took to crying on here about it.... from what I understand "O" is back up and running and those "new" accounts with less than 20 posts have stopped posting.

No offense meant by this but I think you were one of those people that said you were closing all of your accounts if you couldn't continue to use your preferred client and became pretty hostile about it to the point of getting actioned... now the preferred client is back up and tempers have cooled it seems.

To be fair, they should not keep messing with the main working client.

Yes, I have shut all my accounts, I'm not going to fall for it again, they have until the end of March to show good faith after what they keep doing. Tempers have not cooled, this is twice they have done this, is this is their preferred course of action, so be it. We are being patient, like we did for 15 years, I will give them 1 more chance to not screw up.

keven2002 said:

Cookie said:

This isn't true. There were suddenly several "new" accounts posting here on the forums trolling about how banning "O" was going to be the end of the game and all the PvP people quit etc etc. So there were plenty of whiney "O" users that couldn't actually log in using their preferred client and they took to crying on here about it.... from what I understand "O" is back up and running and those "new" accounts with less than 20 posts have stopped posting.

They were not trolling?
Has no-one realised, those players are the genuine 25 year old pvp Vets yet?

loop said:

username,

Everyone is permitted to use the client in practice. They aren't banning anyone and probably never will. They indicated as much when they said only EJ accounts would be actioned. I doubt this is even happening. The blip from the other week was probably accidental.

They added the Solen Hives and cranked up the spawn so that non-botting players would have a greater outlet for gathering rewards without being impacted by botters. The lag is less, and the spawn is plentiful enough.

I cannot comment on whether or not they're banning for the client. I hope they are, but no one really knows for sure as someone that's been banned for using it wouldn't admit it. The biggest problem is that I'm not going to put my login/pw in to some Russian hackware client. If it becomes sanctioned by the Devs, then that safety guarantee exists. 

That's not the point at all. The point is if I want to go spend an hour or two [I get at most to play a day] down there to put some items on my vendor to sell it's not worth it. The bots set the market and I can't out compete them with the few hours I play. I'm not going to fight the bots for pennies (idiom), I will lose 100% of the time. This is why I've always found it hilarious the people that are against 'account bound' rewards because they want to sell them, lol. Guess they're just bots because I don't know any LEGITIMATE player that sells these ToT items. And before anyone says so: no, anyone standing still with auto attack scripts does not make you legitimate.

These ToTs are just a slap in the face to legitimate players and a payday to bots. Let everyone farm 100,000's of items or put an end to it. I really hope it's the latter and we get something different going forward. The amount of bots at these ToTs are enough to lag the server should be a big red flag on doing something different.

Yea, and giving them the solen hive as another area to fight in was a mistake in hindsight. It's already being filled with bots on Atlantic. 

I'm beginning to think a certain poster has no children he was playing with.  If my kids liked playing with me, I sure as heck would not close all my accounts because I could not cheat anymore.

Or, that is horrible example to set for them.  We can't cheat, so why should we play.

username said:

I want UO like I want the Olympics: everyone enhanced and on steroids! I'm sick of spending time at this ToT and all my effort is worthless. Let everyone do it, or let no one.

This is also suspicious, coming from the poster who wants account bound items.  The event has no been going a month, I have armor for all my toons, which is many.  Also have bears and hundreds of points of deco items.

How are your efforts worthless? Because you can't profit off the excess? 

Practice what you preach, if you want us to get account bound items, then you don't sell your items! 

The only person I know who was ever actioned just for using the client was a noob who humorously paged a GM with basically a tech support question on how to use certain features. The client was used so ubiquitously by other players that the noob didn't know any better.

I've personally paged on folks who are automating or semi-automating in ways that presumably employ another client (harmful and competitive stuff - not skill gain or anything harmless) and have not seen actions taken against them.

keven2002 said:

I guess my question would be whether or not you cared that people used 3rd party clients if it didn't impact you; ie they are using it to raise skill etc.

For me personally,

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)
You pretty much saying u can kill people using heavy cheats if it's not me.. u can be racist if I have my profanity filter cuz i'm on trammel.. get out of here with that solo online RPG speech.

To me it's pretty simple.. do as u please in your house.. other than that it's A MMOrpg... like any good sandbox.. like life itself..
PS: do not get caught INSIDE your house. be discrete and quiet.

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

username said:

Allow everyone to run 30 bots at ToTs if we're not going to block it. Let's turn Ultima Online to Bot Online, it is anyways. Might as well put everyone on a fair playing ground like the PVPers want right? Right? F*cking ridiculous how these 50+ sampire bot trains are paged on 3 times a day but are still there 24/7 from server up till server down. These accounts should be banned for that fact alone.  

Specifically onto this point, and the points you have raised.

Yes, I think that client should be sanctioned. Yes, I understand it is Russian, and considered a risk, therefore the Devs may not be in a position to sanction it. But then a lot of players were unhappy playing a client (WebCUO) that was linked to something as secure as Discord - point being, some players will never be happy - some accept more risk, some accept less. I personally, have a customised pc purely for UO, the risk is kept entirely on 1 machine only, none of my personal, or private life cross onto my gaming machine, because that is purely what it is, a gaming machine, to mess around on.

Yes, if someone is using 10+ Bots, they should be actioned in some way. They must be doing it for RMT - but of course the whole RMT would not exist, if there was not a demand, and players were not on the other side of the coin, buying items. So you would be harming 2 sets of players there, those who {need?} to make money via UO (god rest their souls), and those who work hard, make money, but have little time, so buy some of the items they need in UO. Both of those sets of players - are real people, like yourself.

Specifically for pvpers. Yes, Classic Client is the best to pvp on - the graphics, movement and integration work like they should. But Classic Client needs upgrades to match Enhanced, then it is by far and away, the best and most fun to pvp on.

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

username said:

The point is if I want to go spend an hour or two [I get at most to play a day] down there to put some items on my vendor to sell it's not worth it. The bots set the market and I can't out compete them with the few hours I play. I'm not going to fight the bots for pennies (idiom), I will lose 100% of the time. This is why I've always found it hilarious the people that are against 'account bound' rewards because they want to sell them, lol. Guess they're just bots because I don't know any LEGITIMATE player that sells these ToT items. And before anyone says so: no, anyone standing still with auto attack scripts does not make you legitimate.

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade bud.

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade bud.

Yeah, and that would be cheating to, should be clawing away at the earth with your bare hands. 🙂

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade bud.

Yeah, and that would be cheating to, should be clawing away at the earth with your bare hands. 🙂

That’s not what that means.

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade bud.

Yeah, and that would be cheating to, should be clawing away at the earth with your bare hands. 🙂

That’s not what that means.

If spades had not been invented - because people kept telling you they were cheating, you couldn't be using that phrase. 🙂

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade bud.

Yeah, and that would be cheating to, should be clawing away at the earth with your bare hands. 🙂

That’s not what that means.

If spades had not been invented - because people kept telling you they were cheating, you couldn't be using that phrase. 🙂

I don’t know what kind of mental gymnastics you’re trying to make here but you can google it, but I suspect you already know what I’m telling you.

It’s not evolution, it’s cheating.  We are not inventing the wheel.  

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade bud.

Yeah, and that would be cheating to, should be clawing away at the earth with your bare hands. 🙂

That’s not what that means.

If spades had not been invented - because people kept telling you they were cheating, you couldn't be using that phrase. 🙂

I don’t know what kind of mental gymnastics you’re trying to make here but you can google it, but I suspect you already know what I’m telling you.

It’s not evolution, it’s cheating.  We are not inventing the wheel.  

Yes we are, it is progress.

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

Oreogl said:

Cookie said:

KroDuK said:

I should be reading i'm not PvPing.. delete Felucca from the game please.. cuz only them using illegal software in the wrong way (wich is an autrich comment; no room  for these on a MMOrpg)

So if everyone is playing differently to you, it is down to you to suggest that part of the game is deleted?

Interesting, and very egotistical.

Maybe everyone else is happy?

This is a ridiculous take on using an illegal client.

You're not just playing “differently”, you’re cheating.

Honestly I wonder why anyone is trying to PVP against each other.  There’s definitely not many left.

The people who believed in evolution were also considered ridiculous at first.

Pretty sure, it’s still just cheating.  But you can call it what you want I guess.

People get so stuck in that word don't they?

It absolves them from any sort of thinking I guess, it's like a psychological protective cloak.

Hey look, I invented fire! 
Nah mate, that's cheating.
Hmmph, ok, stays silent for another million years...
Hey, I invented this wheel thing!
Nah, can't be doing that.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade bud.

Yeah, and that would be cheating to, should be clawing away at the earth with your bare hands. 🙂

That’s not what that means.

If spades had not been invented - because people kept telling you they were cheating, you couldn't be using that phrase. 🙂

I don’t know what kind of mental gymnastics you’re trying to make here but you can google it, but I suspect you already know what I’m telling you.

It’s not evolution, it’s cheating.  We are not inventing the wheel.  

Yes we are, it is progress.

Sure, when they make the client legal where you can Bot like they’re doing you can come back and tell me I told you so.  

Let's leave the decisions on this to the Devs.