Afk at deceit

So of course rumors running rampant could we get official word on what's happening who it's happening to and why   i understand not discussing people getting banned. but everyone should be aware of what's happening. And i strongly suspect this is a thing where COMMUNICATION   would have gone a long way.. @Mesanna ;

What’s going on?

The original code after TO Tokuno was that we can't get drop if we stay at one location AFK. I am not sure if that is changed.

Back in Tokuno, players would pick a room and do AFK and were sent to Bucs Den when reported.

For static AFK just page the GM or lure the paragons over. That was what we did at Hythloth too.

It seems that there is code for the Deceit Event whereas, if one stays farming at a given location in Deceit for too long, then this "anti-AFK" code will kick in.... not sure, though, after how much time and in what ways.... I always play attended and move all over the place so, I am just saying what I heard from fellow players, no personal experience here...

excuse my ignorance, but why aren't people recalling home and logging off or afk etc,  why do people need to afk outside the dungeon to avoid time out?  I dont get it?

@McDougle - There is finally some new(ish) content to do and you're on here asking for yet more communication about something that doesn't effect you. Did I miss the vote where you were crowned "voice of the people"? Why are are you so worried about this if it doesn't impact you?

It's really pretty simple - don't go AFK in or around the dungeon. I'm seeing people scripting/macroing unattended in several places in Deceit and that's unfair to those people that are actively working the dungeon. The loophole there is that they are doing this in the early AM before GMs are on to do anything. 

Apparently, you do NOT need to be AFK to get flagged as such.  You’ll have an AFK timer put on you even if you’re moving between rooms and talking to other players.  Especially, if you’re talking to other player’s who are not happy that you’ve joined them in ‘their room’.  The GMs won’t review chat logs or anything else to verify that you weren’t AFK.

To clarify this is people sitting outside the dungeon doing nothing. Maybe a second account with a tamer for paragons at the door or simply run to the grocery store. It's not even that I'm opposed to it. But it's not something that needed to be secretly done

McDougle said:

To clarify this is people sitting outside the dungeon doing nothing. Maybe a second account with a tamer for paragons at the door or simply run to the grocery store. It's not even that I'm opposed to it. But it's not something that needed to be secretly done

I disagree. They don't need to send a wide spread message out that they are looking to action "automated / non attended activities" because people shouldn't be doing that anyway. The premise is likely to weed out and catch people who are abusing the mechanics. That's like saying "hey don't multibox between noon to 10pm because we will be looking for and actioning accounts caught multi-boxing." People will adjust their actions based on the message rather than stop doing it.

Obviously there should be an appeal process but those found multiboxing or scripting should at least be jailed, if not banned. They are taking the nicest way out which is those accounts might have the toons die from being overrun. Barely a slap on the wrist.

Are you missing the point out of dislike for me because I'm talking people sitting OUTSIDE the dungeon doing nothing I've heard it might impact banksitters as well imagine going afk in luna then heading out and dying because you are nerfed for 30 minutes..

This hasn't affected me yet.  I guess because I don't sit AFK outside the dungeon (or inside)

I was sitting inside the Royal City and got hit with it. 

McDougle said:

Are you missing the point out of dislike for me because I'm talking people sitting OUTSIDE the dungeon doing nothing I've heard it might impact banksitters as well imagine going afk in luna then heading out and dying because you are nerfed for 30 minutes..

Is there a need to go AFK outside the dungeon for X time rather than just recall to your house and log out? 

@Garth_Grey you mention that you were hit with it in the Royal City - I'm curious the others who have said something similar have all said it was an EJ account they were on at the time. Is that the case with the account you had banned in Royal City? And I'm assuming you didn't have any type of macro running even an EC one at the time is that true?

Riner said:

@ Garth_Grey you mention that you were hit with it in the Royal City - I'm curious the others who have said something similar have all said it was an EJ account they were on at the time. Is that the case with the account you had banned in Royal City? And I'm assuming you didn't have any type of macro running even an EC one at the time is that true?

He didn't say he was banned say your and archer your arrows do no damage for 30 minutes..

Garth_Grey said:

I was sitting inside the Royal City and got hit with it. 

What were you attacking in the Royal City?

We were talking about this last night.

Seems so many people are being hit with this afk thing that there might be a backlog?

Say....you're afk outside the dungeon for x amount of time, then decide to recall to a bank or home....then you get hit with it because there's a delay in actioning everyone?

McDougle said:

So of course rumors running rampant could we get official word on what's happening who it's happening to and why   i understand not discussing people getting banned. but everyone should be aware of what's happening. And i strongly suspect this is a thing where COMMUNICATION   would have gone a long way.. @ Mesanna 

Aha! You can communicate with Mesanna at the cemetery...

Larisa said:

We were talking about this last night.

Seems so many people are being hit with this afk thing that there might be a backlog?

Say....you're afk outside the dungeon for x amount of time, then decide to recall to a bank or home....then you get hit with it because there's a delay in actioning everyone?

When this happens do you get messages that you can not attack the target?  I could not cast on targets and my pet would look like he was attacking and doing no damage.

If so, this was happening in Destard.  I took some pics and added it to someones bug report so I can't find the thread.  Then I could attack again so I thought it was a glitch.

Is the jest of this that you have to move around in Deceit if you want to get drops?  Can you simply go from one room to another or do you have to go from floor to floor?

Arnold7 said:

Is the jest of this that you have to move around in Deceit if you want to get drops?  Can you simply go from one room to another or do you have to go from floor to floor?

We do not know the exact coding of this.  This all began because players were afking on top of the NPC on Origin.

I had a toon outside deceit all day and was able to go in and help kill paragons at the entry every time that was needed.  

Pawain said:

Larisa said:

We were talking about this last night.

Seems so many people are being hit with this afk thing that there might be a backlog?

Say....you're afk outside the dungeon for x amount of time, then decide to recall to a bank or home....then you get hit with it because there's a delay in actioning everyone?

When this happens do you get messages that you can not attack the target?  I could not cast on targets and my pet would look like he was attacking and doing no damage.

If so, this was happening in Destard.  I took some pics and added it to someones bug report so I can't find the thread.  Then I could attack again so I thought it was a glitch.

oh reeeeeally...hmmm

maybe they've been testing it since then??

But yes, I have yet to get this message but my guild mates all say the same thing. They get the little GM Message pop up on their screen and sometimes they were at home or at the bank when the message came through.

On another note, I was down in the Ram Room last night for about 2 hours not moving because all I do is cast trees on my spellweaver and nothing happened to me. I did have to heal myself on occasion but I never moved...so...not sure what triggers it.

I wonder if this applies to dead characters as well. I was going to let a character on one of my accounts get killed then use his ghost to check if my recall spots are safe to recall to. Don't want to recall into the middle of a group of paragons (again).

Larisa said:

Pawain said:

Larisa said:

We were talking about this last night.

Seems so many people are being hit with this afk thing that there might be a backlog?

Say....you're afk outside the dungeon for x amount of time, then decide to recall to a bank or home....then you get hit with it because there's a delay in actioning everyone?

When this happens do you get messages that you can not attack the target?  I could not cast on targets and my pet would look like he was attacking and doing no damage.

If so, this was happening in Destard.  I took some pics and added it to someones bug report so I can't find the thread.  Then I could attack again so I thought it was a glitch.

oh reeeeeally...hmmm

maybe they've been testing it since then??

But yes, I have yet to get this message but my guild mates all say the same thing. They get the little GM Message pop up on their screen and sometimes they were at home or at the bank when the message came through.

On another note, I was down in the Ram Room last night for about 2 hours not moving because all I do is cast trees on my spellweaver and nothing happened to me. I did have to heal myself on occasion but I never moved...so...not sure what triggers it.

Ok, I did not get a GM message.  I just got a message saying I could not attack this mob in the bottom left of screen.  I have heard others on LS say they could not attack stuff.  They were playing and came to the dungeon, so they had not been there they were doing other Halloween stuff.  So maybe there is a rare bug that affects killing mobs.  After a few minutes they could kill stuff.

Jepeth said:

Garth_Grey said:

I was sitting inside the Royal City and got hit with it. 

What were you attacking in the Royal City?

One of those red dudes had wandered inside the bank area, went into combat, clicked on it..nothing...

Garth_Grey said:

Jepeth said:

Garth_Grey said:

I was sitting inside the Royal City and got hit with it. 

What were you attacking in the Royal City?

One of those red dudes had wandered inside the bank area, went into combat, clicked on it..nothing...

And you received the GM message or just observed yourself doing no damage?

Couldn't hit it, was like I wasn't even trying.

I feel like people are just making things up, i consistantly go afk outside between trips to turn-in items or just pure boredom (most common reason) and i've not experienced anything like what's described by some people.

“99% of people on death row will claim they are innocent.
just saying”

CovenantX said:

I feel like people are just making things up, i consistantly go afk outside between trips to turn-in items or just pure boredom (most common reason) and i've not experienced anything like what's described by some people.

In my initial post i said rumors running rampant  .... 

Yep that's what it is. I have absolutely nothing better to do than to jump into a conversation and lie, oh and lie about something I'm not even participating in..yep, you caught me....pancakes!

This is the type of thing that drives me well McDougle! If the developers would take 10 seconds to explain what is happening....

Garth_Grey said:

Jepeth said:

Garth_Grey said:

I was sitting inside the Royal City and got hit with it. 

What were you attacking in the Royal City?

One of those red dudes had wandered inside the bank area, went into combat, clicked on it..nothing...

I don't think that's related. For a very long time the void creatures seem to be unable to be attacked if they get into the town area. You can't even call guards on them. It's not your character, it's the void creature. Its been that way since way before the introduction of the dynamic events.

Please refrain from personal comments and trollish behavior. Comments that do not adhere to UO forum policies will be removed.

Rorschach said:

Please refrain from personal comments and trollish behavior. Comments that do not adhere to UO forum policies will be removed.

Personal attacks and Trollish behavior?? On these Forums??

 😂 

happen to me, first day of the event im in deceit on my archer, GM quinn messages me, ask me how im doin i respond im doin ok? then he asked me his name, i say umm Quinn? and he says have a good day and that was the end of it.
Day 2 im in deceit on my archer im in the LL killing stuff and all of a sudden i notice im not doin any damage, so i recall out and relog, thought i was bugged, still cant do any damage so i page a GM they tell me i been flagged for AFK, first i was not afk, and i was looking at my screen the whole time, even looking at my chat box the whole time because i was in conversation with other people at the time, and not one GM messaged, so yea after day 1 they just got lazy are randomly tagging people for being afk

Would be nice if posters told what shard so we could see if it is the shards that have botters.

I have not heard anyone on LS having this issue other than two NOOBs on the first day who did not damage for about 10 mins when they first entered the dungeon.  So they could not have had a GM do this.

Pawain said:

Would be nice if posters told what shard so we could see if it is the shards that have botters.

I have not heard anyone on LS having this issue other than two NOOBs on the first day who did not damage for about 10 mins when they first entered the dungeon.  So they could not have had a GM do this.

 you suggest this is a players not reporting what and where properly. I suggest it takes a @Mesanna ; one min to log in and clarify....

I have not seen static afk bots farming on my shards. But if there is, just ramp up the Paragons and we will send an army to them. If they are multi boxing then it’s super easy, just take a few screen shots of the journal and send to GM. Good to know GMs are active now!

When GM does not respond, people complain.
When GM is actively trying to catch bots, no one is helping to report and inform them. So they will try to figure out who is staring at the screen or afk botting.

There is something up with whatever is flagging people AFK inside the dungeons (the one that stops you from doing damage for 30 min).  

The UO rumor mill is working overtime on this one.

No one is getting the afk debuff for sitting outside the dungeon or in luna or any town or bank. 

Go test it, it's literally the easiest thing in the world. Go sit outside deceit or luna or wherever for 10,20,30+ minutes, then go into Deceit and see if you can do damage to mobs.

People that are claiming this are flat out lying to you, friend/guildie or not. People are doing shady stuff, and are getting caught for it, and now they are upset and trying to stir the pot by claiming they were just sitting outside doing nothing.

Are there some false cases going on? Probably. But somehow "everyone" that other people have heard from have said they were "just outside" or "in luna"? Yea, ok. I also heard gullible isn't in the dictionary, maybe you should go check.

MinocMiner said:

The UO rumor mill is working overtime on this one.

No one is getting the afk debuff for sitting outside the dungeon or in luna or any town or bank. 

Go test it, it's literally the easiest thing in the world. Go sit outside deceit or luna or wherever for 10,20,30+ minutes, then go into Deceit and see if you can do damage to mobs.

People that are claiming this are flat out lying to you, friend/guildie or not. People are doing shady stuff, and are getting caught for it, and now they are upset and trying to stir the pot by claiming they were just sitting outside doing nothing.

Are there some false cases going on? Probably. But somehow "everyone" that other people have heard from have said they were "just outside" or "in luna"? Yea, ok. I also heard gullible isn't in the dictionary, maybe you should go check.

I tested and found this to be true i fully support action against people who go afk in the dungeon even for a second and would expect no communication so props to developers 

One second is too much. Yesterday the server lagged and I was disconnected for 5 mins at Level 4. Does that mean I deserve 30mins ban?

Suspected AFK meaning a player is static?

Wasn't the tested method to talk to the player first, get response and if not then send to Bucs.

It's a 25 year old game, why must the Dev keep forgetting how this works in the past?

Seth said:

One second is too much. 

Suspected AFK meaning a player is static?

Wasn't the tested method to talk to the player first, get response and if not then send to Bucs.

It's a 25 year old game, why must the Dev keep forgetting how this works in the past?

CovenantX said:

Seth said:

One second is too much. 

Suspected AFK meaning a player is static?

Wasn't the tested method to talk to the player first, get response and if not then send to Bucs.

It's a 25 year old game, why must the Dev keep forgetting how this works in the past?

   Well, when it keeps happening, that means it wasn't working, right?

 F**k the bots.  that's how i see it.

I think it's three different issues, one is the multi boxers MB, one is bot scripts, and the old static afk. GM seem to be confused how all these works

For static AFK, it needs a timer before being flagged to GM and he does the final verification.

The penalty should be Bucs Den not 30mins ban. What is this 30mins ban for? First time in history.

Was just in deceit running around the area with the jail cells with the room at the south end of the hallway, running around hitting up the different cells and the big room, never still more than a minute or two.  I was probably there about 15 minutes, got two drops total... flagged as AFK.  This system required more testing, any observer would have known I was clearly not AFK.

If players are really AFK, they would be gone for Hours.What is 30mins to them?

And obviously all these players that complain are not lying since they found they are banned during that 30mins. 

@Kyronix Why must there be drama for every tot.

Lol it's like they're trying to run people off 

Seth said:

@ Kyronix Why must there be drama for every tot.

Devs sitting there thinking, "man, this could be a really great game if it wasn't for all these players".

Do I have to ever worry about catching a three-day or permaban when all I've done is run around and play the game like normal?  That's what's really nagging me in the back of my mind.  I've caught the AFK flag twice now while playing completely manually and at sitting at my computer, when do they decide I'm one of the dirty scripters everyone's been whining about and throw a harsher punishment at me then just not being able to aggro monsters at deceit?

This is my second night playing deceit, I don't have a ton of time to actually play and I'd like to collect one of each new arti but they're making it very difficult for no reason.  

Still not 1 person has said what shard they were on when this happened.  

Pawain said:

Still not 1 person has said what shard they were on when this happened.  

Why would it matter? 

Urge said:

Lol it's like they're trying to run people off 

MinocMiner said:

The UO rumor mill is working overtime on this one.

No one is getting the afk debuff for sitting outside the dungeon or in luna or any town or bank. 

Go test it, it's literally the easiest thing in the world. Go sit outside deceit or luna or wherever for 10,20,30+ minutes, then go into Deceit and see if you can do damage to mobs.

People that are claiming this are flat out lying to you, friend/guildie or not. People are doing shady stuff, and are getting caught for it, and now they are upset and trying to stir the pot by claiming they were just sitting outside doing nothing.

Are there some false cases going on? Probably. But somehow "everyone" that other people have heard from have said they were "just outside" or "in luna"? Yea, ok. I also heard gullible isn't in the dictionary, maybe you should go check.

Thanks for creating your account to make this one post to call everyone a liar. We believe you.

Pawain said:

Still not 1 person has said what shard they were on when this happened.  

I was on Lake Austin. And fyi it's Scripter Central for ToT, I've never seen so many ridiculous scripts in my life. There's one in particular that just drains every NPC of all of their candy. He launches 3 Trick or Treats so fast, I don't know how he gets past the client spamming message, but most NPCs are out of candy by the time you get there.

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Still not 1 person has said what shard they were on when this happened.  

I was on Lake Austin. And fyi it's Scripter Central for ToT, I've never seen so many ridiculous scripts in my life. There's one in particular that just drains every NPC of all of their candy. He launches 3 Trick or Treats so fast, I don't know how he gets past the client spamming message, but most NPCs are out of candy by the time you get there.

Actually Mariah is correct you can not attack the red guys inside the city of Ter Mur.

So your experience was not related to afk.

Here some pics showing your experience:

I was dragging these guys into Ter Mur on one monitor, Using my Archer in Deceit on one monitor, and watching TV on the other. Alaskan Bush people is a pretty lame show.

Also, people are botting on Lake Austin in Deceit?  Who are they selling the items to?  Each other?  I know what LA vendor search looks like there is not 1 item of the Archlich for sale there.

For ToT you have to be near the NPC you can make a macro that says, Trick or Treat. Sounds like they are faster than you.

Garth_Grey said:

MinocMiner said:

The UO rumor mill is working overtime on this one.

No one is getting the afk debuff for sitting outside the dungeon or in luna or any town or bank. 

Go test it, it's literally the easiest thing in the world. Go sit outside deceit or luna or wherever for 10,20,30+ minutes, then go into Deceit and see if you can do damage to mobs.

People that are claiming this are flat out lying to you, friend/guildie or not. People are doing shady stuff, and are getting caught for it, and now they are upset and trying to stir the pot by claiming they were just sitting outside doing nothing.

Are there some false cases going on? Probably. But somehow "everyone" that other people have heard from have said they were "just outside" or "in luna"? Yea, ok. I also heard gullible isn't in the dictionary, maybe you should go check.

Thanks for creating your account to make this one post to call everyone a liar. We believe you.

Post count has nothing to do with accuracy of posts, just look at a lot of the high count posters here.

Sounds like you are just upset that you got called out for crying wolf. You were not actioned in Ter Mur, you just didn't understand game mechanics and came to the forums to latch onto the spreading misinformation from whiners and people getting actioned for doing unscrupulous activity.

If it makes you feel better I can spam replies in every active thread like other people to get my post count up.

For what it's worth, after reading these threads, I have not even gone there to try the event at all, but maybe I will try today after work.

Yoshi said:

“I am using official client and farming afk on Atl, farmed 150 drops so far afk, nobody has bothered me yet but I do keep having to res the farmer.
when event is live in fel I intend to play attended”

I never understand why this is allowed 

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Pawain said:

Still not 1 person has said what shard they were on when this happened.  

I was on Lake Austin. And fyi it's Scripter Central for ToT, I've never seen so many ridiculous scripts in my life. There's one in particular that just drains every NPC of all of their candy. He launches 3 Trick or Treats so fast, I don't know how he gets past the client spamming message, but most NPCs are out of candy by the time you get there.

Actually Mariah is correct you can not attack the red guys inside the city of Ter Mur.

So your experience was not related to afk.

Here some pics showing your experience:

I was dragging these guys into Ter Mur on one monitor, Using my Archer in Deceit on one monitor, and watching TV on the other. Alaskan Bush people is a pretty lame show.

Also, people are botting on Lake Austin in Deceit?  Who are they selling the items to?  Each other?  I know what LA vendor search looks like there is not 1 item of the Archlich for sale there.

For ToT you have to be near the NPC you can make a macro that says, Trick or Treat. Sounds like they are faster than you.

Yeah when I read her reply it made sense, and the bots are Trick or Treaters, I've only been in Deceit once and found it uninteresting and haven't gone back.

Cant say I blame him, honestly.  

Kaz said:

Cant say I blame him, honestly.  

Ive heard a lot about how Atlantic needs fel due to the population, but its that same population that dumps in all the problems being discussed here. 

Ill give you an example:  i farmed hythloth heavily on ATL (I play catskills btw); there were scripters and afks on lvl 4 but I could still get my fair share running around pretty easily.   It was fun.  

Then destard hits and its literally wall to wall scripting (theres no denying this), and that has carried through to Deceit.  This is the new normal.  

Cant get enough drops cuz of the amount of people?  Bring in another toon, and another.  What else can you do?

This is populace agenda Ive seen over and over again. Always the push for people to move to ATL, new players: Atlantic is the only shard.  Its why the events there suck now, its why the housing market is ridiculous, its also why despite being the most populated shard theres no real sense of community.   

Atlantic is a dog eat dog shard; and you either have to join them or get left behind.  

Well said.

I was kind of thinking that myself about the using more than 1 toon on ATL. It's so slow to get drops because there isn't really enough spawn to kill that I'm wondering how I could also get more by using a secondary toon. Multiboxing on ATL in the AM seems like the norm now that I'm being forced to play Tram. The greed of those people is essentially taking away the chance of other players killing stuff so the result is that the multiboxer is getting 2-3x more drops than the single player not only because they are using more toons but because that then takes away from the spawn solo players like myself can kill. It gets to a point if ya can't beat'em (and they aren't being actioned) then join'em.

I still enjoy my solo sampire in Deceit, no bards or whatever. 

Seth said:

I still enjoy my solo sampire in Deceit, no bards or whatever. 

If I see Multiboxers in the game, I will click the names, pull out the journal, take screenshots, report ingame and also email to the Team. If still no action, then I may consider posting all the information on this forum. 

Just complaining there are “Multiboxers” or Bots at level 4 doesn’t help. Which shard? What is the name? When? 

In the past, I have heard players were warned or banned when another player reported. This include friends I know, and more than one of them received such actions.

There is no point writing so much, just send reports or post screenshots for greater impact.

I do report them as I see them but I typically play very early in the morning when many GMs are not online. The multiboxers aren't as egregious as in Destard just staying in 1 spot all day long this time around but still make out pretty well if they are playing from 2am-10/11am.  

The weird thing though, if they had been banning players for cheating, why do we still see so many running around. 

So it is good to at least take screenshots and note the names when reporting. After say a week and if they are still MBing, then take another screen and post here as evidence that nothing is done.

Cady said:

Apparently, you do NOT need to be AFK to get flagged as such.  You’ll have an AFK timer put on you even if you’re moving between rooms and talking to other players.  Especially, if you’re talking to other player’s who are not happy that you’ve joined them in ‘their room’.  The GMs won’t review chat logs or anything else to verify that you weren’t AFK.

This is true, I was down there with my tamer and was flagged afk. How anyone thinks you can be afk with a tamer there is beyond me. No Gm did anything to check if I was afk . This was not the case in Deceit last event. And no there was no message or warning .

McDougle said:

MinocMiner said:

The UO rumor mill is working overtime on this one.

No one is getting the afk debuff for sitting outside the dungeon or in luna or any town or bank. 

Go test it, it's literally the easiest thing in the world. Go sit outside deceit or luna or wherever for 10,20,30+ minutes, then go into Deceit and see if you can do damage to mobs.

People that are claiming this are flat out lying to you, friend/guildie or not. People are doing shady stuff, and are getting caught for it, and now they are upset and trying to stir the pot by claiming they were just sitting outside doing nothing.

Are there some false cases going on? Probably. But somehow "everyone" that other people have heard from have said they were "just outside" or "in luna"? Yea, ok. I also heard gullible isn't in the dictionary, maybe you should go check.

I tested and found this to be true i fully support action against people who go afk in the dungeon even for a second and would expect no communication so props to developers 

Well it is happening to people who are NOT afk. So no props.

So its happening tobme inside deceit working on an active tamer.  Im guessing some but hurt sampire is reporting me cause i stand still and send my pet "all kill" all folliw me... to return pet to me.  I move around stepping on other side of pet so mob agros pet.  Activly redirect pet to lesser targets. Then redirecting pet back onto current paragon to finiah it.  Then stand in hallway ready with all kill for next mob.  Never non motionless longer then a min.  Run fro. Room to room.  Last two days ive gotten the " cant do neg acts " on mpbs for approx 15 to 20 min.  Ive paged gm when this happens. One directed me to send email to dispute@ultimaonline.com. which i did.. telling them to check logs. As it would show activly playimg tamer not afk.  No direct response but back doi g mob dam within approx 15 to 20 min. 
So it is wrongly effecting players in deceit. 
Im guessing. Dont know. Somwone reported afk as both times i saw somwone atop next to me for period of time not ever saying anything. Then move on.  Shortly after within approx 20 min poof. It happens.  
Directly effecting me playing event . 
Just info. If it happens send dispute to that email. Only way to combat this. 

Peregrine said:

So its happening tobme inside deceit working on an active tamer.  Im guessing some but hurt sampire is reporting me cause i stand still and send my pet "all kill" all folliw me... to return pet to me.  I move around stepping on other side of pet so mob agros pet.  Activly redirect pet to lesser targets. Then redirecting pet back onto current paragon to finiah it.  Then stand in hallway ready with all kill for next mob.  Never non motionless longer then a min.  Run fro. Room to room.  Last two days ive gotten the " cant do neg acts " on mpbs for approx 15 to 20 min.  Ive paged gm when this happens. One directed me to send email to dispute@ ultimaonline.com. which i did.. telling them to check logs. As it would show activly playimg tamer not afk.  No direct response but back doi g mob dam within approx 15 to 20 min. 
So it is wrongly effecting players in deceit. 
Im guessing. Dont know. Somwone reported afk as both times i saw somwone atop next to me for period of time not ever saying anything. Then move on.  Shortly after within approx 20 min poof. It happens.  
Directly effecting me playing event . 
Just info. If it happens send dispute to that email. Only way to combat this. 

Is this Atlantic?

Yes

Ansd like i said i donr know for sure but im guessing tjey just taking pwoples wird. As if rhey checked log wven briefly they would see.  So in that instance... i cry unfair. I only have one active paying account. Coming back after ten years off for twins.  They should at least be che king logs which is possible from what i know... i could be wrong... if it shows no activity. Yes put on temp ban.  If not. Then that person who filed complaint should have temp ban implaced.  It would curtail this.  Im 99% surebits a filed complaint. As ive seen people appear to stop right next ro me.  Take the time. Im assuming to file it... without wven omce talking to person.  Then shortly after poof.  Just putting it out there. As complaint email is what i was given. Its the only way you can dispute it. So do it. 

Almost sounds like some people are running around Atl Deceit Paging on people to get them out of the dungeon so they can have your spot @Kyronix @Bleak @Mesanna needs to look into this ASAP and tell GMs to make themselves seen so players know what is up.  It is very hard to pay attention to EVERYTHING when you are in the heat of battle.

Yes. I whole heartidly believe this is the case.  But if they arbitrarily take pagers wird and just hit timer ban. I have serious problem with this as paying customer.  As im not afraid to have them check my log. It will show actively playing tamer.  Im not computer guy. Iretired Army infantry. Know how to shoot people at long ranges and disappear in the woods. Lol.  But i say a brief check of log would show. And if activity is tbere. Then temp time ban reporter for false report. Just my two sense. 

Maybe they wrote a script to page on everyone not them..

Then that should be dealt with. 

Anyone with more than a few posts on here have this happen to them? Just asking 

vortex said:

Anyone with more than a few posts on here have this happen to them? Just asking 

Just killed 3 Paragon Rams in a row, didn't get hit yet. I'm thinking it's people paging on people. 

vortex said:

Anyone with more than a few posts on here have this happen to them? Just asking 

The real question should be, anyone not on Atlantic this is happening to?

As I said earlier I think it is people paging on Tamers they think are afk.  And people paging on archers because they think they are using some illegal auto attack. 

Pawain said:

vortex said:

Anyone with more than a few posts on here have this happen to them? Just asking 

The real question should be, anyone not on Atlantic this is happening to?

As I said earlier I think it is people paging on Tamers they think are afk.  And people paging on archers because they think they are using some illegal auto attack. 

Atlantic here.

It would be AMAZING if they just instituted a policy of simply trusting the word of players tattling on others to be enough to put a person on the AFK timer.  AMAZING!  What a genius way to allow people to grief others and hog rooms for themselves.  No discussion with GMs, no GMs checking to see if you're moving about or chatting with other players, just boom, someone said you're a baddie so you're a baddie.

Not to be a total McDougle, but If someone from the team could get on here and let us know if this is terribly implemented programming auto-flagging players or if this absolutely god-awfully implemented policy getting players flagged... then we'd be able to better direct our criticism.  Criticism is how we all learn 🙂

I agree. I asked both those questions. No response. 1. Is this from people paging afk. 2. Is this from gms seeing something.

They are not going to come here and tell us how they are determining these time outs.  Unscrupulous players would use that info.

Players have complained about AFK tamers and auto target distance fighters.  Sounds like they are addressing those and hitting some legit players.  

Now they need to work on the Sampires.

I'm wondering if the Sampire group emerged because their other templates were getting time outs.

Cheaters r gonna cheat.

Simple tamer fix, when you An Lor Xen , so do your followers. My first and only venture into Deceit during this Halloween season...Cu fightin 2 steps inside the dungeon, tamer healing invis'd at the entrance, I chuckled to myself, turned around and walked back out....

Garth_Grey said:

Simple tamer fix, when you An Lor Xen , so do your followers. My first and only venture into Deceit during this Halloween season...Cu fightin 2 steps inside the dungeon, tamer healing invis'd at the entrance, I chuckled to myself, turned around and walked back out....




The drop rate was lowered if you stay hidden or invisible 

Garth_Grey said:

Simple tamer fix, when you An Lor Xen , so do your followers. My first and only venture into Deceit during this Halloween season...Cu fightin 2 steps inside the dungeon, tamer healing invis'd at the entrance, I chuckled to myself, turned around and walked back out....

A tamer can not vet or heal while invised, so even you would call BS on that statement.

 The paragons auto reveal. Pets do 1/2 damage to paragons. The paragons change target to the tamer.  You have to hang in the event a little longer to know what is going on.

I can refer you to a Popps novel on how tamers have been abused by game mechanics in these events.

A tamer fighting a paragon at the entry is happening 100% of the time on some shard.  The NOOBs bring them there for them to be killed because they can not. So a nice tamer kills it at a one drop an hour rate.

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

Simple tamer fix, when you An Lor Xen , so do your followers. My first and only venture into Deceit during this Halloween season...Cu fightin 2 steps inside the dungeon, tamer healing invis'd at the entrance, I chuckled to myself, turned around and walked back out....

A tamer can not vet or heal while invised, so even you would call BS on that statement.

 The paragons auto reveal. Pets do 1/2 damage to paragons. The paragons change target to the tamer.  You have to hang in the event a little longer to know what is going on.

I can refer you to a Popps novel on how tamers have been abused by game mechanics in these events.

A tamer fighting a paragon at the entry is happening 100% of the time on some shard.  The NOOBs bring them there for them to be killed because they can not. So a nice tamer kills it at a one drop an hour rate.

I didn't go in to invest any of my own time, I went in to see what all the hype was about...I left hype-less.

Simple question. If you see a warrior on a swampy do you automatically assume said warrior is a sampire?  Because my character riding around Europa on a swampy is not, and neither are many others in this event, she uses healing and chiv. I have always flat out refused to have a sampire.

Petra_Fyde said:

Simple question. If you see a warrior on a swampy do you automatically assume said warrior is a sampire?  Because my character riding around Europa on a swampy is not, and neither are many others in this event, she uses healing and chiv. I have always flat out refused to have a sampire.

Aye, my 3 bards on 3 accounts all ride a swampy.

I think I'm lucky to play the shard I do. I've been in the dungeon quite a bit, and what I've seen are lots of individual players racing around killing stuff, helping each other out with the paragons and rezing each other. On Europa this event is FUN.

MinocMiner said:

The UO rumor mill is working overtime on this one.

No one is getting the afk debuff for sitting outside the dungeon or in luna or any town or bank. 

Go test it, it's literally the easiest thing in the world. Go sit outside deceit or luna or wherever for 10,20,30+ minutes, then go into Deceit and see if you can do damage to mobs.

People that are claiming this are flat out lying to you, friend/guildie or not. People are doing shady stuff, and are getting caught for it, and now they are upset and trying to stir the pot by claiming they were just sitting outside doing nothing.

Are there some false cases going on? Probably. But somehow "everyone" that other people have heard from have said they were "just outside" or "in luna"? Yea, ok. I also heard gullible isn't in the dictionary, maybe you should go check.

So i tested a theory oday.  Played for hour without being afk banned like i have been for last four days.  Didnt get afk banned. Was on same tamer playing same way. But in less populayed area and no player names i recognized or similair situationswhere it appeared people migjt have actually afl reported. Did just fine. Which males me believe its soley player reported afk generated. Which (if this for sure what happens) would mean player reports another... said report goes to either a real person or an afk generated program which just auto time bans said char.  Either way this is wrong. Without verification.
And if no one wants to put forth an effort to fix. I guess only way to combat it would to be to jump in with both feet and join the reporting bandwagon.
But man  o man thats gonna fkood system with afk reports un necissarily

Has anyone checked if this afk flagging works for PVP @Yoshi , because if so, there is gonna be a metric crapton of trolling with it.

Sorry dont pvp