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Completely new player seeks advice.

Started by Sillyturtle · 2022-03-27 · 48 posts · General Discussions
#0
Folks, I'm Turtle. G'day.

Known of UO for a very long time, never tried it. Played DAOC since 2001 and many other MMO's and I'm currently bored to death, so figured I would have a look at this one. Forums are decently active for an older game - so I made an account and subbed. Now I'm here for your help, if you don't mind.

I have no knowledge of the game outside of what I've heard over time. I know two things, that the game is skill based and you can basically design your own class which is pretty cool, and that if you PvP, you lose all your stuff. 

I don't know anything about classes, or end game content, but I have seen people mentioning on here that you can do dungeons and raids (I'm assuming end game content) solo with certain builds. I'd very much like to hear what you guys suggest for builds for new players like me. 

I don't know anything, but I am an experienced gamer and do pretty well at whatever I devote my time to - so don't worry about things being too complex for me - if it's strong, I'd love to know about it. Also, since I don't know anything about the classes, I have no opinions on what's good or bad, what's S tier and what's F tier - that's all gonna come from you guys, who know everything already. 

The only guidelines I'll put on your suggestions is that it has to be solo friendly, because I'm Australian and I expect to spend a lot of time on my own. I like farming sweet items, making currency and killing big nasties.

With that in mind, what do you reckon I should do regarding class?
What server do you think is a good idea?
Is there a difference between the game clients?

Note: After I've had a few replies, I'll probably follow up with a Poll with the suggestions and see what people think. Might make it fun for any other newcomers that might come along after me.
#1
Welcome
Just some basics
Which shards do you ping best? Make one char on each of those shards and see which you like.
Try both clients and see which you like
What type of chars do you like to play?  Crafter, Warrior, Mage, Tamer
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/player/
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/world/
https://www.uoguide.com/Main_Page
https://community.stratics.com/


#3
Thank you. I've been reading through those and they're quite informative. And that Community Stratics forum looks like it has a lot of information. I'll dive into it.

But what I'm really hoping for is peoples opinions on things. Just one example could be something like "Mage classes are really good at X because of (insert reason). But Tamers are better at Y because of (another reason)"

I've played so many MMO's I've played every archetype imaginable, Caster, Melee, Rogue, Tank, Support, Heals, Buffs etc etc. I'm open to trying anything depending on what the community thinks is good.

I like farming items and making money. I DO like making things, but I assume crafting is something I'd probably like to do as a second character, so I reckon something that can kill things would be a better first choice. Touching on the whole Solo dungeoning and solo raiding thing I mentioned before, that sounds interesting, as long as there's profit in it. 

I like amassing wealth, and having the best of everything.
#4
Well, my opinion is that the best way to learn UO is to dive in. 

The game is very deep at this point.  You can read for ages, in fact you will still learn new things even after being immersed for 2 years (like me).  
#5
Kaz said:
Well, my opinion is that the best way to learn UO is to dive in. 

The game is very deep at this point.  You can read for ages, in fact you will still learn new things even after being immersed for 2 years (like me).  
Been playing since 99. I learn new things almost everyday.  But I agree, play more, read when you're stuck.

#6
I could be wrong but i think the Oceania shard is in Australia. Maybe log on there when you will be playing and say hi in general chat and in help chat. I know we have  few shards that use help instead of general chat. I also dont know anything about it but many players us discord. Welcome to UO i hope you find tons of enjoyment. 
#7
Kaz said:
Well, my opinion is that the best way to learn UO is to dive in. 

The game is very deep at this point.  You can read for ages, in fact you will still learn new things even after being immersed for 2 years (like me).  
Been playing since 99. I learn new things almost everyday.  But I agree, play more, read when you're stuck.

Play more read less is usually how I go about things, but only to a point. Researching properly is the best path to success I've found.

On that front, from what I can gather, if I'm interested in killing big nasties and bosses or whatever, I need some sort of sustain - and for that people are saying Sampire. Seems to be some sort of life leeching melee warrior build. 

Would Sampire be a type of character that someone could start from scratch and build up to where it can tackle hard bosses for sweet loot? 
#8
Yes and no. To be successful you'll need a few 120 scrolls. The suit can be low end as long as you can reach the 1.25 swing speed cap (knucklehead swing speed calculator- google the addy)

My favorite temp is the discord tamer. There's not much you can't kill with this temp and it's nowhere near as complicated to make. 

Mages- i will never ever recommend this to a new player. SDI can get expensive to build into your suit. 

Read up on cleanup points for extra things to sell. Loot everything. Check vendor search. If it can't be sold, left click a trash barrel to appraise for cleanup points. If it doesn't give points, unravel it for imbuing ingredients to also be sold. 
#9
I could be wrong but i think the Oceania shard is in Australia. Maybe log on there when you will be playing and say hi in general chat and in help chat. I know we have  few shards that use help instead of general chat. I also dont know anything about it but many players us discord. Welcome to UO i hope you find tons of enjoyment. 
I read somewhere:
Oceania - relocated to US, but follow Aust timing for server reboot
Formosa - relocated to Japan

@Mariah
This is another piece of info I find missing here but older info at Stratics. 
#10
I believe they tried Oceania in US, but it didn't work out. Checking the 'latentcy' for my own log in Oceania is higher than any other shard. I was not aware that Formosa relocated to Japan, can you link me to that information please?
#11
Urge said:
Yes and no. To be successful you'll need a few 120 scrolls. The suit can be low end as long as you can reach the 1.25 swing speed cap (knucklehead swing speed calculator- google the addy)

My favorite temp is the discord tamer. There's not much you can't kill with this temp and it's nowhere near as complicated to make. 

Mages- i will never ever recommend this to a new player. SDI can get expensive to build into your suit. 

Read up on cleanup points for extra things to sell. Loot everything. Check vendor search. If it can't be sold, left click a trash barrel to appraise for cleanup points. If it doesn't give points, unravel it for imbuing ingredients to also be sold. 
Sounds like maybe Sampire is something to look at once I'm a little more established perhaps?

Regarding Discord Tamer, it sounds to me like a Pet Class. You tame an animal and they're you're weapon? Perhaps they tank for you? 

I'll work some google fu and see what I can find on them. 🙂
#12
My opinion is you'll find that the best way to learn the game is through playing and interacting with the people on the shard. People, for the most part, are really helpful as long as you're honestly trying to learn the ropes. Go along, join in on the battles, letting others take the brunt of the hits while you skill up. Loot the corpses for gold, armor and weapons. Insure your good armor and good weapons or wear crappy stuff to begin with. You're going to die. Die a lot. Learn to laugh at it. It's only death. Nothing ruins the game more for people who hold onto not wanting to die.
The wealth of this game is in the interactions between you and others. I've played this game for almost 25 years and I think that after a couple I would be bored if I did things solo. And I'm a total introvert..
IRL....
No laughing allowed. 

Just one of a gazillion perspectives. Go with what feels right for you.

#13
My opinion is you'll find that the best way to learn the game is through playing and interacting with the people on the shard. People, for the most part, are really helpful as long as you're honestly trying to learn the ropes. Go along, join in on the battles, letting others take the brunt of the hits while you skill up. Loot the corpses for gold, armor and weapons. Insure your good armor and good weapons or wear crappy stuff to begin with. You're going to die. Die a lot. Learn to laugh at it. It's only death. Nothing ruins the game more for people who hold onto not wanting to die.
The wealth of this game is in the interactions between you and others. I've played this game for almost 25 years and I think that after a couple I would be bored if I did things solo. And I'm a total introvert..
IRL....
No laughing allowed. 

Just one of a gazillion perspectives. Go with what feels right for you.

What she said!
#14
Also, Rabid Sniper vids on youtube are very detailed, you might learn somethings while seeing those tutorials, they helped me come up to speed.
#15
First get a mythic token ...
#16
@Sillyturtle

There are some helpful combat oriented UO channels on YouTube. These are the ones I know off the top of my head. Apologies to anyone I've forgotten.

Rabid Sniper - Excellent guide for getting started with Sampires.

Mark Shawley - Tamer walkthroughs and Enhanced Client setup.

Shaved Chimp - Various encounters solo, with explanation overlays.

Corpse - Top tier solo fighter. Links in video descriptions to build details.

Azuki X - Some PvE solo encounters and fun/different builds.


If you decide to use the EC, I suggest checking out Pinco's UI. It is a sizable rework of the default EC that fixes a lot of bugs, modernizes the UI, and just makes the game more user friendly. It is a large mod, so it's not for everyone, but it is well worth checking out. Pinco has put a monster amount of effort into it.

-Good luck!
#17
This thread needs to be sticked on top.  There is some very good info being offered here that anybody can use
#18
McDougle said:
First get a mythic token ...

You have no idea how much this wants me to say 'No!'. All must suffer through skilling!
Wax on! Wax off!  >:)
#19
Lots of stuff in the links to learn! Thank you to those that posted them. I've been frustrated with for years with a character and I think I've found out how to fix her.
#20
Play what you have fun with i do all current content on my Fishermen. It's not a race you don't have to do max damage or kill the fastest just have fun so many times i have fun with a build until someone tells me that will never work...
#21
McDougle said:
First get a mythic token ...

You have no idea how much this wants me to say 'No!'. All must suffer through skilling!
Wax on! Wax off!  >:)
If you could effectively gain skills through game play rather than tricks I'd agree....
#22
McDougle said:
First get a mythic token ...

You have no idea how much this wants me to say 'No!'. All must suffer through skilling!
Wax on! Wax off!  >:)
For someone new totally agree.  Learn the old way first by playing the game.
#23

Shaved Chimp
I think you are in the wrong game forum for that activity.  And that is a not easy for new players.
#24
My opinion is you'll find that the best way to learn the game is through playing and interacting with the people on the shard. People, for the most part, are really helpful as long as you're honestly trying to learn the ropes. Go along, join in on the battles, letting others take the brunt of the hits while you skill up. Loot the corpses for gold, armor and weapons. Insure your good armor and good weapons or wear crappy stuff to begin with. You're going to die. Die a lot. Learn to laugh at it. It's only death. Nothing ruins the game more for people who hold onto not wanting to die.
The wealth of this game is in the interactions between you and others. I've played this game for almost 25 years and I think that after a couple I would be bored if I did things solo. And I'm a total introvert..
IRL....
No laughing allowed. 

Just one of a gazillion perspectives. Go with what feels right for you.

I don't disagree. I get bored very easily without people to play with. But I'd be foolish not to plan for solo activity considering my timezone and schedule.

Thanks to everyone who has posted advice and information. It's greatly appreciated. 🙂


I will continue to check this thread, so if anyone feels like adding anything else, definitely feel free!
#25
Mariah said:
I believe they tried Oceania in US, but it didn't work out. Checking the 'latentcy' for my own log in Oceania is higher than any other shard. I was not aware that Formosa relocated to Japan, can you link me to that information please?
Could we get official info from Broadsword for all shard's geolocation by city instead of country. 

We are relying on pings, and other forum posts to speculate. This is not part of the game, and a necessity for players when they select the game server option. 

Anyone can post garbage on another forum or blog and it becomes the "guide". Or need to read like 100 posts to find one and then find out of the poster is credible, etc.

uo.com should have any official info, or they did lose all the documentation during the transition which I hope not.

I know there is the ping test in game, but what if people travel between cities to work. If we know the exact city we or new players can pick the ideal based on its location.


#26
All West Coast USA Servers are at Redwood City Calif, EA
#27
If I remember right Oceania was in Aust and the server location was lost or FUBR and it was moved to West Coast USA until they got a new Server location back in Aust.

https://uo.com/support/

#28
All West Coast USA Servers are at Redwood City Calif, EA
Which shards are considered west coast Pacific and baja for sure Origin?
#29
If I remember right Oceania was in Aust and the server location was lost or FUBR and it was moved to West Coast USA until they got a new Server location back in Aust.

https://uo.com/support/

Thanks for the link to the maintenance time.

I am not sure if it's possible the physical server was relocated, but the maintenance time is based on original shard's location to suit their local timing.

For Formosa, I could not remember where I read that but more than one person told as we are picky about server location for pvp some years ago.
#30
McDougle said:
All West Coast USA Servers are at Redwood City Calif, EA
Which shards are considered west coast Pacific and baja for sure Origin?

United States West

(Maintenance: 5am PST/PDT)

  • Baja
  • Lake Austin
  • Napa Valley
  • Origin
  • Pacific
  • Sonoma
#31
Funny how LS and LA are in different zones when the US shore of Lake Superior is in the Central zone and Austin is in the Central Zone.
My ping is 49ish for the east and 59 for the west.  But I'm 90 miles due south of Austin.  I guess the server is not there,  It should have been in RL Lord British's Castle it is on Travis Lake in Austin.  Central Time zone was recommended to use LS in 97.  That is why I am there.


@Sillyturtle ; Make a variation of Mage/Tamer,  a Melee fighter, and an Archer or Thrower.
Those will cover a lot of the basics.

Then you can choose what you like and modify them to make them more effective.

Or you can press the easy button and go with a Sampire.

Not sure why someone above said a mage suit is expensive since the most common loot items are mage based.  Do 3 Scalis, or Corgul and you have a near max mage suit.  Or maybe they meant pet scrolls.  You just need 105s or 110s for a starter pet.
#32
Pawain said:
Funny how LS and LA are in different zones when the US shore of Lake Superior is in the Central zone and Austin is in the Central Zone.
My ping is 49ish for the east and 59 for the west.  But I'm 90 miles due south of Austin.  I guess the server is not there,  It should have been in RL Lord British's Castle it is on Travis Lake in Austin.  Central Time zone was recommended to use LS in 97.  That is why I am there.


@ Sillyturtle  Make a variation of Mage/Tamer,  a Melee fighter, and an Archer or Thrower.
Those will cover a lot of the basics.

Then you can choose what you like and modify them to make them more effective.

Or you can press the easy button and go with a Sampire.

Not sure why someone above said a mage suit is expensive since the most common loot items are mage based.  Do 3 Scalis, or Corgul and you have a near max mage suit.  Or maybe they meant pet scrolls.  You just need 105s or 110s for a starter pet.
They were talking SDI suit 
#33
If they can do Scalis and Corgul they should already have pretty good suits.

#34
Started new three years ago.  You will need to use the internet a lot.  Players passing through New Haven will often talk with you and answer questions you have.  Recommend you start as a mage or a  paladin as those builds are fairly straight forward. Hang out around the banks in Britain and Luna to talk with other players.  I played mostly solo games before coming here.  This is not a solo oriented game.  It’s designed to be played by players working together.  First year can be pretty rough.  Grand master your skills pretty much solo in New Haven.  Once you are comfortable killing the New Haven ettins you can use the moon gate to get out and look around,  But, you advance skill by killing things and New Haven is designed for that.  you will advance fastest there.  Take advantage of your young status to explore when you tire of killing things.  Good luck in the game.  Watch for the special events.
#35
Pawain said:
Funny how LS and LA are in different zones when the US shore of Lake Superior is in the Central zone and Austin is in the Central Zone.
My ping is 49ish for the east and 59 for the west.  But I'm 90 miles due south of Austin.  I guess the server is not there,  It should have been in RL Lord British's Castle it is on Travis Lake in Austin.  Central Time zone was recommended to use LS in 97.  That is why I am there.


@ Sillyturtle  Make a variation of Mage/Tamer,  a Melee fighter, and an Archer or Thrower.
Those will cover a lot of the basics.

Then you can choose what you like and modify them to make them more effective.

Or you can press the easy button and go with a Sampire.

Not sure why someone above said a mage suit is expensive since the most common loot items are mage based.  Do 3 Scalis, or Corgul and you have a near max mage suit.  Or maybe they meant pet scrolls.  You just need 105s or 110s for a starter pet.
That would be me that said that about mages. I would never ever ever recommend a new player start with such an item dependent temp like a SDI mage. 

Atlantic prices (my shard)
protector of battle mage - 15mil
yukio - 140mil 
bracers - 38mil
jumu - 35mil
hawkwind - 26mil

These items are 65 SDI that would put a new player at such a tremendous disadvantage that didn't have it. That's not even diving into sdi slayer books. 

Starting with literally any other template he could at least reach caps at a fraction of what an eval mage has to spend to be able to compete. 

Most of us have been playing so long we've forgotten a time when a mil seemed like a lot of gold. 



#36
The most powerful character that can kill quite a number of monsters while running around naked is the tamer. 
#37
SDI items have dropped in price. Those are pretty cheap except Yukio which is just 10. You don't have spectors on there which is a cheaper alternative to halo which has dropped considerably. You can get 45+ books from others for free.

Discounting yukios a pair of feudal grips costs more than the whole SDI suit.
They have gone up to near 200M.

He could not get the earrings and add a hooks shield and spectors or halo.
I dont use battle mage because of the low resists. Kelp leggings are a cheap SDI item that I have on all my human mages. Elfs have their own legs.

Just a couple of days ago you could sell 200 eggs for 400mil.  Those are less now but at 500k an egg you can make gold still.

The dungeon is coming up. The drop items usually start at 5M per. They stay at that price if the drops are good.

So we have 2 opportunities to make gold right now.

I disagree that it is cheaper to make a sampire than a mage. And SDI is a part of a mage.

Price some 5 dex, 10 stam 10lmc pieces. Especially if hide, studded or bone.
And have some mana and regens.
#38
You can make a mage tamer like some do and not cast spells, just all kill and invis as needed. I sell a bag of 110 pet scrolls for 15 mil.

The pet is free, just go grab a Cu Sidhe.
#39
Pawain said:
You can make a mage tamer like some do and not cast spells, just all kill and invis as needed. I sell a bag of 110 pet scrolls for 15 mil.

The pet is free, just go grab a Cu Sidhe.
Tamer will always be my recommended starter temp. A mythic token and a couple days casting a mastery anyone will be ready for full play. 

I hate samps too but pound for pound i can achieve the 100di and 1.25 swing cheap and easy using imbued gear and a hatchet/katana for swords and leafblade for fencing. I think i have 5mil total in one of my samps. You just simply can't get high enough SDI to compete for that kind of gold. 

Feudal grips is a luxury but that DI can easily be replaced in jewels, wep and talisman. 

I also didn't include Spectors because of reasonable alts like Kasa and Tal'Keesh. 

I guess we can just agree to disagree on this subject. 
#40
@Urge actually we agree. A tamer mage is a great starter template.  

The EVs are upgraded to pets and you can start cheap and work up.

I just did not want the OP to think a mage is too expensive. You can start with low SDI and work your way up. 
#41
Once you have a little gold don’t overlook vendor search.  A few vendors specialize in selling really good pieces at very reasonable and affordable prices.  Vendor’s set their own prices so always compare before you buy.  It is not uncommon, especially for armor and weapon drops
#42
To be sold over a very wide range of prices.  Sorry for the splitt screen finger slipped

#43
Find a guild, use chat, use discord, use uo stratics as a reference and also uoguide.  Don't try to "win" the game in a month.  Won't be possible with this game.  This is a huge sandbox with 20 years worth of content.  Enjoy.
#44
Arnold7 said:
To be sold over a very wide range of prices.  Sorry for the splitt screen finger slipped

You can edit a post by clicking the Gear in the upper right hand corner of your recent post and selecting "edit post" the option is there for 1 hour.


#45
When you decide a shard give a shout out in Gen Chat, I am sure there are players that will gladly set you up with some starter gear.
#46
Pawain said:
@ Urge actually we agree. A tamer mage is a great starter template.  

The EVs are upgraded to pets and you can start cheap and work up.

I just did not want the OP to think a mage is too expensive. You can start with low SDI and work your way up. 
Yes, you are correct. The mage tamer is very popular and will do the job. It just won't do the job for me.

I'm extremely biased against any eval template for pvm. I've tried it and found other hybrid templates to provide equal to higher damage at a portion of the gold and effort. 

This is why i point everyone towards a discord tamer. Once done with skills, one would only need to worry with upgrading pets and not sdi pieces as well. It's a very simple easy template that will never require a lot of gold to be extremely productive. 
#47
@Sillyturtle have you picked a shard yet
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