Population

What server does everyone play on? I just started playing and haven't played in 15 years. Napa Valley seems dead.... any suggestions

atlantic

Atlantic is by far the busiest---lots of vendors and sales there.  With the ability to move items from shard to shard, it has become the default marketplace.

Great Lakes is still fairly busy.  Good community.

If you have items on Napa you wish to move to your new shard there are character transfer tokens.  If you ask around you can probably find a kind soul who will transfer them for you.

Welcome back, by the way.

I was on Napa 3 hours ago and it was not dead.  Shout out in Gen Chat and let people know that you are a new/returning player.  Not all shards bank sit in Luna, they go play the game so you may not see them.  If you are on the West Coast log on to Pac and give a shout out.  Pac is the most active West Coast shard.  Make chars and spend a day on each shard to see what you like and how it fits your game play.

can you transfer characters? I have 7x gms on napa

Yes you can transfer to pac 

Shade said:

can you transfer characters? I have 7x gms on napa

Character Transfer

On the page linked above you can find some info about "Inter-Shard Mobility".
Disregard the point about the Origin Store: now you can officially but CTT only ingame in the Online Store

NB: Just corrected the link above: now it points to the right info page, apologies.
I.

Shade said:

What server does everyone play on? I just started playing and haven't played in 15 years. Napa Valley seems dead.... any suggestions

Atlantic is unfortunately your only choice if you want some decent population. And even Atlantic was thinning out a lot before EJ.

Just don't buy into the haters saying Atlantic is bad. It's just more people, so naturally also some more rotten apples.

Atlantic for US.

Europa for Europe.

JollyJade said:

Shade said:

What server does everyone play on? I just started playing and haven't played in 15 years. Napa Valley seems dead.... any suggestions

Atlantic is unfortunately your only choice if you want some decent population. And even Atlantic was thinning out a lot before EJ.

Just don't buy into the haters saying Atlantic is bad. It's just more people, so naturally also some more rotten apples.

Don't believe them, we don't all bank sit in Luna we play the game.  Play where you want it is your right.

wtf is luna what happened to everyone at brit bank? and whats with all these samri and other classes? whats the meta?

Luna (Malas) became the new spot to congregate. Many still also congregate at West Brit Bank.  

Luna is a town introduced in the 2003 expansion, Age of Shadows. It became a place to gather when a town invasion event made Brit somewhat unsafe. Luna is in a land mass called Malas, the other main town in that area is Umbra, new skills in that expansion were Chivalry and Necromancy
In 2004 the Samurai Empire expansion added the Tokuno Islands, Ninjitsu and Bushido.
In 2005 the Mondain's Legacy expansion added several new dungeons and Elves as a playable race.
The time from 2009  to date is reviewed in the page https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/a-summary-for-returning-players/

InLor said:

Atlantic for US.

Europa for Europe.

Why?  If I want to play alone I can on LS.  If I want to play with 5 others I can do that also.

You stay on Atlantic and keep your nose out of my business.

Pawain said:

InLor said:

Atlantic for US.

Europa for Europe.

Why?  If I want to play alone I can on LS.  If I want to play with 5 others I can do that also.

You stay on Atlantic and keep your nose out of my business.

But if you want to play with a group of more then 5 you need to play Atlantic. Any west coast server is good if you want to play solo as no one else plays those and a few of the east coast servers are capable of reaching 5 man groups.

If you want anything larger then a 5 man group Atlantic is your only option.

PureLife said:

Pawain said:

InLor said:

Atlantic for US.

Europa for Europe.

Why?  If I want to play alone I can on LS.  If I want to play with 5 others I can do that also.

You stay on Atlantic and keep your nose out of my business.

But if you want to play with a group of more then 5 you need to play Atlantic. Any west coast server is good if you want to play solo as no one else plays those and a few of the east coast servers are capable of reaching 5 man groups.

If you want anything larger then a 5 man group Atlantic is your only option.

Not correct.  We have community events that often have more than 5.  Also there are more than 15 on in our guild often.  

We had 4 that went to help a guy do a level 7 T map last night.  Just so he could get a Cold Drake.

Many including me would rather not be in full parties doing something.  I think 5 is a good amount for anything.  Sometimes too many.

6 at dragon turtle spawn right now.  And I have 2 with me at mage training pets.

No telling how many doing other stuff.  9 on my guild roster online.

You can not judge population if you do not know what things the members of a shard do.

If you just walk around Luna, it prob would look dead.

Now the PvPers showed up.  Chat is full...

Napa is my home shard. I have 4-15 people in vent during prime time. There is another group on mumble with 3-7 people. I see other guilds doing stuff frequently.

You have several options:

1. Find a group to play with

I'm on napa also, and while it is quiet especially on the weekdays, weekends usually has alot more group opportunities.  There's a few guilds that cater to newer players coming back like ours "UO Stratics".  Shout in general about it and I'm sure one of us will come help you out with anything.

BUT BUT BUT The shards are dead, didn't you get the memo?

Funny how it was the OP's felling that Napa seems dead and all of a sudden everyone jumps out of his hole to tell otherwise. 

Where were the Napa people when he was playing there? Is it so hard to accept that from the viewpoint of some returning player - that might have played other games in the meanwhile - most of the shards look dead?

I love UO, but I have no issue admitting that. The same old group of 10 people is just not considered a decent population by any means. 

JollyJade said:

Where were the Napa people when he was playing there?

Maybe they were in bed because the OP never stated what time it was when he logged on.  He also never stated where he was at.  Unless he logs on at Luna in then it is %99.999 possible that he would not see anybody.  Did he bother getting into Gen Chat and let people that he was new/returning player.  15 years ago WBB was the hang out and if he logged out at the inn there then yea nobody was around.

I just wonder how many returning players feel the same as the OP but just silently quit instead of making a forum post. I can totally relate. To bad UO never had a retention policy for shards dropping below a certain activity limit 🙁

JollyJade said:

I just wonder how many returning players feel the same as the OP but just silently quit instead of making a forum post. I can totally relate. To bad UO never had a retention policy for shards dropping below a certain activity limit 🙁

Of course. I have heard from several players who logged in to their old favorite shard and never came back, because they thought UO is dead.

People get defensive about their shards, and can't see the truth that it's not a good experience for a new player and has a bad effect.

The vast majority of players want to play on a server that has a healthy population. And a handful of people, no matter how nice, is not a healthy population.

To be fair I live in the midwest but when i logged in it should have been prime time on west coast. Now that I went to luna or whatever the city i had no clue exsisted i did see people but still havent figured out this character transfer thing. 

I dont know how some think UO is dead when the shards say how "full" they are when you are choosing the shard to play on.   ATL is usually med - full with GL and Europa trailing behind.  If that isnt a big enough cue to what state the shards are in then there's no helping them.

if you play on classic client it doesnt show server pop

Log into every shard and give them a try.

General Chat
CC at the top you will see a Chat button - push it and highlight General and hit JOIN
to talk use the ,  ( that is a comma) and you will see (lower left on screen) Chat: and type what you want then hit enter

Shade said:

if you play on classic client it doesnt show server pop

On CC % full and scroll down, the most full is at the bottom excluding TC,  LOL the Asian Servers are all blowing out Atl

Also a thought on the Shard Transfer you might hold off on that because it really doesn't take long to make a 7XGM 

You can sort on population in CC, but you can't reorder the list to show the most popular up top. And it won't show any term like the EC  (low-medium-full). Atlantic and Europa are number 1 and 2 (Asuka/Yamato for non-English shards), with shards like Oceania/Mugen/Legends/Drachefels/Legends/Origin being the emptiest almost any time you check.

Why are people so concerned about other peoples playstyle?  I probably spent 8 years playing without talking in chat or playing with anybody.  Players know how active and populated their shard is.  If they want to play in a more populated or less populated shard then they can make a new toon on a new shard and pay for a mythic token.

It seems like some of you have a population obsession.  Maybe you should log in more often and PLAY and stop concerning yourself with other players you do not know.

BS knows the populations.  They will decide if a server needs closed.  It is not possible to merge shards.

If you log onto LS and yell out in chat that the shard is dead.  We will make it Dead to you.  Since you want a self fulfilling prophesy.

@Pawain nice post.  Isn't it funny that in order to have fun in a computer game you have to play it the way others think even though we all pay the same sub.  Guess they figure their sub is worth more than our sub is so should be able to dictate how we play.

Yup.

There are a lot of people on LS that never talk in chat and you never see in crowds.  Some like to play alone. Some do T maps, BODs, Crafting, Fishing, Killing the same thing over and over.  I am sure it is the same on many shards.

Just let the people who actually log on play like they want to.

AMEN

Napa Valley is pretty darn dead.  It is easy to find lots and lots of 18x spots in Malas, and I bet you I can find some Castle Spots, but it is probably not as deserted as Lake Austin.  I lived all my UO life on Napa, and I hated to abandon it but starting from scratch, you need people around who can help you  and others to sell you stuff.  Atlantic is nicely busy, and you can find most anything for sale there, but be prepared to pay exorbitant prices and listen to an outburst of immature PVPers mouthing off in general chat.  However, to offset that, you can find quite few people who still have a generous spirit in them.  I got back into the game on Atlantic, and once I got equipped I moved to Chesapeake where there are enough players you probably won't find a castle spot but you will be able to get a tower down.  And, you can still find some  items you need for sale at a reasonable price

I'd comment but honestly I don't want my shard to become like Atlantic!! haha

Pawain said:

Why are people so concerned about other peoples playstyle?  I probably spent 8 years playing without talking in chat or playing with anybody.  Players know how active and populated their shard is.  If they want to play in a more populated or less populated shard then they can make a new toon on a new shard and pay for a mythic token.

It seems like some of you have a population obsession.  Maybe you should log in more often and PLAY and stop concerning yourself with other players you do not know.

BS knows the populations.  They will decide if a server needs closed.  It is not possible to merge shards.

If you log onto LS and yell out in chat that the shard is dead.  We will make it Dead to you.  Since you want a self fulfilling prophesy.

People like to interact with eachother in UO, it makes the game more fun to have others to align with and compete with, why do you begrudge those who want to see more population? Connection is the purpose of existence in life, and in UO. 

crunchnasty said:

Pawain said:

Why are people so concerned about other peoples playstyle?  I probably spent 8 years playing without talking in chat or playing with anybody.  Players know how active and populated their shard is.  If they want to play in a more populated or less populated shard then they can make a new toon on a new shard and pay for a mythic token.

It seems like some of you have a population obsession.  Maybe you should log in more often and PLAY and stop concerning yourself with other players you do not know.

BS knows the populations.  They will decide if a server needs closed.  It is not possible to merge shards.

If you log onto LS and yell out in chat that the shard is dead.  We will make it Dead to you.  Since you want a self fulfilling prophesy.

People like to interact with eachother in UO, it makes the game more fun to have others to align with and compete with, why do you begrudge those who want to see more population? Connection is the purpose of existence in life, and in UO. 

And you are more than welcome to your play style but it seam like you do not like others play style and think that there is only one way to play a sandbox game, your way.

Playstyle and server population are only loosely connected. The shards that are as good as dead tremendously disadvantage the player in numerous ways and the game design simply isn't built to accommodate having only a handful people on the server. 

Do you work for UO that you know how many player are on each shard.  I suppose UO own all those houses on all the shards not called Atl.  Do you go to another shard and say in Gen Chat "This shard sucks because this shard is dead" and expect an answer?  How does it disadvantage anybody when everybody is free to go where ever they want and play nobody is stopping you.  The game is designed as a true sandbox, do you understand what that is?  Just because you do not like low population shards means we are suppose to do what you think is best and what xfer to Atl, not gonna happen.  I am %10000000000000000 sure that UO knows what is better for UO than you think you do but please go design a game that has everything in it that you think should be there and I am sure you will be happy as all get out.

The so called 'dead' shards are no where near as empty as Atlantic players like to insist, in my experience
crunchnasty said:

People like to interact with eachother in UO, it makes the game more fun to have others to align with and compete with, why do you begrudge those who want to see more population? Connection is the purpose of existence in life, and in UO. 

SOME people do, some people like to play with a smaller group, co-operating instead of competing and some people are quite happy to do their own thing, chatting while soloing content, or simply lurking while others chat.  The beauty of UO is it's diversity. Please allow players to be diverse too.

BUT BUT BUT we aint playen it the way they think we should be playen it.  I guess we been doin it all wrong the last 20 years and now we have so new players that think they know better.

crunchnasty said:

Pawain said:

Why are people so concerned about other peoples playstyle?  I probably spent 8 years playing without talking in chat or playing with anybody.  Players know how active and populated their shard is.  If they want to play in a more populated or less populated shard then they can make a new toon on a new shard and pay for a mythic token.

It seems like some of you have a population obsession.  Maybe you should log in more often and PLAY and stop concerning yourself with other players you do not know.

BS knows the populations.  They will decide if a server needs closed.  It is not possible to merge shards.

If you log onto LS and yell out in chat that the shard is dead.  We will make it Dead to you.  Since you want a self fulfilling prophesy.

People like to interact with eachother in UO, it makes the game more fun to have others to align with and compete with, why do you begrudge those who want to see more population? Connection is the purpose of existence in life, and in UO. 

Then make toons on Atlantic and play there.  Who is stopping you.  They sell transfer tokens.

Petras response is much better than mine.  Let us play the way we want.  I do not like to interact with others sometimes.

Thing is, transfers from certain shards to more populated ones should be free. That's pretty standard in the mmorpg business.

Well you know other MMORPGs do it this way, well guess what we aint other MMORPGs we are UO, you know the one that started it all and still here kicking and doing it our way.  If you don't like the way UO does it and you think all those other MMORPGs are so much better then why are you here?

Tone it down with the fallacies. Cheers.

What fallacies you think other MMORPs do it so much better then go play them or are you trying to get UO to give you free transfers from one shard to another for free based on its population, nice try.  Could you point to another MMORPG that has the depth that you has that does this, good luck finding one.

InLor said:

Thing is, transfers from certain shards to more populated ones should be free. That's pretty standard in the mmorpg business.

There is no charge to make new toons on the shard of your choice.

FACT ^

InLor said:

Thing is, transfers from certain shards to more populated ones should be free. That's pretty standard in the mmorpg business.

  I see where this is going... Are you still complaining about having to pay for your char transfers? Are you setting up your next thread to be against vet transfer shields, like you post so much about on Stratics...

Not all have free transfers. Some will do it at certain phases and then you pay. EQ2 as an example.
And as above create free new chars. It'll take what 3-7 days to skill up?

Jatwhal said:

InLor said:

Thing is, transfers from certain shards to more populated ones should be free. That's pretty standard in the mmorpg business.

  I see where this is going... Are you still complaining about having to pay for your char transfers? Are you setting up your next thread to be against vet transfer shields, like you post so much about on Stratics...

Not all have free transfers. Some will do it at certain phases and then you pay. EQ2 as an example.
And as above create free new chars. It'll take what 3-7 days to skill up?

No idea what you're talking about regarding Stratics. Stick to the thread instead of weird speculations about who posted what. 

@InLor is very authoritarian but UO is Freedom
Too bad 

free transfers out = freedom

Pawain said:

crunchnasty said:

People like to interact with eachother in UO, it makes the game more fun to have others to align with and compete with, why do you begrudge those who want to see more population? Connection is the purpose of existence in life, and in UO. 

Then make toons on Atlantic and play there.  Who is stopping you.  They sell transfer tokens.

Petras response is much better than mine.  Let us play the way we want.  I do not like to interact with others sometimes.

To be fair, that's what a lot of people suggested..

.. only to have you and Bilbo come here and start some random argument about LS or playstyles.

Atlantic is the best suggestion one can objectively make regarding his question. But I'm sure you or Bilbo will feel offended by that simple truth again 😂

It was the OPs very own words that Napa (again: Nobody talking about LS) was dead. Maybe accept that half a dozen bank sitters in general chat will be considered "dead shard" for many playstyles.

They could merge the shards as separate facets so you would not need to worry about houses getting blown away by the merge.  For example Atlantic Trammel facet, Atlantic Fel facet, Pacific Trammel facet would be on the Pac-Atlantic shard.  The moon gate gump would get larger as it would need to list the extra facets.  How many shards get converted to facets would depend on how powerful the physical server is.

TimSt said:

They could merge the shards as separate facets so you would not need to worry about houses getting blown away by the merge.  For example Atlantic Trammel facet, Atlantic Fel facet, Pacific Trammel facet would be on the Pac-Atlantic shard.  The moon gate gump would get larger as it would need to list the extra facets.  How many shards get converted to facets would depend on how powerful the physical server is.

NO Shard Merger ever.  And why would you merge a west coast shard with a east coast shard, shakes head and walks away.

Bilbo said:

NO Shard Merger ever.  And why would you merge a west coast shard with a east coast shard, shakes head and walks away.

So I could go shopping in Atlantic then recall back to my house in Pacific more than once a month.

The UO server software is so minimal by today's standards BS could host all the shards on virtual servers (cloud servers) making localization a non-issue.

TimSt said:

Bilbo said:

NO Shard Merger ever.  And why would you merge a west coast shard with a east coast shard, shakes head and walks away.

So I could go shopping in Atlantic then recall back to my house in Pacific more than once a month.

Oh..... I'd love that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  🙂 🙂
But then it would transform Atlantic into a gigantic mall and maybe Atlantic players wouldn't like it :  would make their shard kinda useless for casual gameplay ?..... not going to happen because of the transfer shields owners and BS makes money with char tranfer tokens as well so....

LOL Where do you people think the servers are now?  Didn't they go to the cloud a long time ago like pre BS.  Try doing a trace.

Bilbo said:

I was on Napa 3 hours ago and it was not dead.  Shout out in Gen Chat and let people know that you are a new/returning player.  Not all shards bank sit in Luna, they go play the game so you may not see them.  If you are on the West Coast log on to Pac and give a shout out.  Pac is the most active West Coast shard.  Make chars and spend a day on each shard to see what you like and how it fits your game play.

I have been on Napa Numerous times at all times during the day and never gotten a response.  But that is not the way I am judging population  Go to any server.  Easy to place an 18x in Malas and Castle lots available?  Then it is deserted.   If you have years and years, and you are well established, other players are not necessary.  I play alone a lot.  But in this age of UO, I need stuff that I otherwise cannot get on my own.  .  That was why I started on Atlantic and then instead of going back to Napa, split the difference and hit Chessie.  It is not deserted but not so populated like Atlantic that you gotta work around other people.  I am now getting set up and have a nice suit and so I am not concerned about population.  But if you prefer being alone and have no desire for any contact with anyone, then you are in the wrong game

Honkwomp said:

Bilbo said:

I was on Napa 3 hours ago and it was not dead.  Shout out in Gen Chat and let people know that you are a new/returning player.  Not all shards bank sit in Luna, they go play the game so you may not see them.  If you are on the West Coast log on to Pac and give a shout out.  Pac is the most active West Coast shard.  Make chars and spend a day on each shard to see what you like and how it fits your game play.

I have been on Napa Numerous times at all times during the day and never gotten a response.  But that is not the way I am judging population  Go to any server.  Easy to place an 18x in Malas and Castle lots available?  Then it is deserted.   If you have years and years, and you are well established, other players are not necessary.  I play alone a lot.  But in this age of UO, I need stuff that I otherwise cannot get on my own.  .  That was why I started on Atlantic and then instead of going back to Napa, split the difference and hit Chessie.  It is not deserted but not so populated like Atlantic that you gotta work around other people.  I am now getting set up and have a nice suit and so I am not concerned about population.  But if you prefer being alone and have no desire for any contact with anyone, then you are in the wrong game

I was in Luna and there were people walking around.  I do not think you could place a castle in Napa unless maybe it was a swamp castle and as far as 18x18 in Malas, you can find on any shard, As far as playing with or without people that is a personal preference for any UO player so no if they want that then they are NOT in the wrong game but I guess you consider to be one of the game police that tells people that they are playing a SANDBOX game the wrong way, now that is funny.

House locations are restricted in Malas, not all the areas you see are available for housing, also castles cannot be placed in Malas. With the exception of some contest rewards, there are no castles on the facet.

Honkwomp said:

Bilbo said:

I was on Napa 3 hours ago and it was not dead.  Shout out in Gen Chat and let people know that you are a new/returning player.  Not all shards bank sit in Luna, they go play the game so you may not see them.  If you are on the West Coast log on to Pac and give a shout out.  Pac is the most active West Coast shard.  Make chars and spend a day on each shard to see what you like and how it fits your game play.

I have been on Napa Numerous times at all times during the day and never gotten a response.  But that is not the way I am judging population  Go to any server.  Easy to place an 18x in Malas and Castle lots available?  Then it is deserted.   If you have years and years, and you are well established, other players are not necessary.  I play alone a lot.  But in this age of UO, I need stuff that I otherwise cannot get on my own.  .  That was why I started on Atlantic and then instead of going back to Napa, split the difference and hit Chessie.  It is not deserted but not so populated like Atlantic that you gotta work around other people.  I am now getting set up and have a nice suit and so I am not concerned about population.  But if you prefer being alone and have no desire for any contact with anyone, then you are in the wrong game

Vendor search is also an easy way to gauge a shard. The vendor search on (and nearly) dead shards is virtually non-existent. 

Mariah said:

House locations are restricted in Malas, not all the areas you see are available for housing, also castles cannot be placed in Malas. With the exception of some contest rewards, there are no castles on the facet.

I fully understand that you cannot place castles in Malas, I was there the day Malas opened and  placed one of the very first 18x there right before my wife and daughter placed.  The wording of my message was not very clear, but that was why I said "Place an 18x in malas"   Otherwise, what would be the purpose of even mention the specific facet before talking about castle lots

As far as Bilbo's post?  I play mostly by myself too, but if I never wanted people around, I would not play UO.  I think I am gonna be done with this post  I managed to get the moderator involved and tick off Bilbo. 

what do you like to do? Atlantic is the most populated shard, and that comes with its pros and cons. LS is great if you like taming, we have a pretty great taming community and there's plenty of group activities to do *or* you can go off on your own and not be bothered too. if you're into RP, i believe Catskills is considered the go-to RP shard?

If you swing by LS, give us a shout in chat - there's usually 3-4 people falling over each other to help any recent returners.

Shade said:

What server does everyone play on? I just started playing and haven't played in 15 years. Napa Valley seems dead.... any suggestions

If you want to have a vendor house in Luna, may I suggest you try Balhae?  There is a small but active, friendly and growing community there; however, if you don't live in Asia, you may miss many of the players when they are around.  Best time to catch a lot of them is between about 4 a.m. and 1 p.m. Eastern Time.    Many of the Korean and Japanese players there do read and write English, but many like to use a translator site/app to make sure what they are saying is correct, so be patient if you speak to someone and don't get an immediate reply.  

Anyone who wants to give Balhae a try and needs a little help getting started, please feel free to message me and I will be happy to help you out with some basic items (LRC suit, spellbooks, runebooks, etc.) and if you are making a tamer and want someone to tag along while you tame something, I have a good peace tamer there and will be happy to help out.  I don't have any shard shields, so I can't help with transferring items to/from Balhae.  However, I know there are other people who do and I am sure they would be happy to help if you want to move stuff to Balhae.

If you are interested in having a vendor house on any shard but know you won't be able to place one in Luna and don't want to place anywhere else in Malas, you might also want to check out Magincia in both Trammel and Fel.  You can place a house there on most shards and it will be in guard zone, is close to a moongate and the animal and commodity broker stalls.   Also check out Ter Mur for house placement.  A character on your account will have to kill stuff in Ter Mur to get enough loyalty to the gargoyle queen to place a house.  However, there are several house spots available around the moongate and on most shards those spots still sit empty.  Now that all accounts have been upgraded to Stygian Abyss, those spots should be more attractive as everyone can now get to them.

I know a lot of people will recommend you just give in and move to Atlantic.  However, I really think that returning players should consider staying on some of the smaller shards and open a shop.  Keeping it stocked will keep you busy and you just never know how much of a positive effect you will have on your shard overall by just being there and doing something to help keep the shard alive.  You will meet other players and have opportunities to help people out that I'm not sure you will get amid the hustle and bustle and competitiveness of a shard like Atlantic.

This great message was on my shop's bulletin board this afternoon on Balhae. It is a very friendly shard and sometimes I really get tired of people putting down the "dead shards" and the people who play on them.  

My Fav is posted by Yoko. "Have you seen John?"

I do not recall one message putting down dead shards.  Concerning Napa:  But despite placing two keeps in 15 mins on napa I was not able to place a castle so Bilbo, I will withdraw that part of what I said.  I have forgotten just hard it is to get those things down.  A couple of spots that took castles in the past were open, but I could not get one placed.  I did finally see someone in Luna though 🙂
Moving past that, everyone loves the place they play,  and do not take offense if my experience on your shard differs than yours. I am not claiming to be an expert, just stating my personal experience.
  I don't have much time on any shard.  Its been years and I was unable to recover my main account

Estimated current subscriber base is 5,000 give or take.   Of those, probably 3,000 are unique users with some having two or more accounts.  EJ accounts, don't count here, as the game is not currently gaining subscriber base.  

Average user lasts about 1 to 2 months before canceling.

At the current trajectory, I would suggest that Broadsword will not be in control within about 2-3 years.  At that point, subscriber base will not cover costs of employment.  

Edit: I wanted to add that, given the current Trajectory it is very likely that UO will shutdown within a two year window.  Thoughts?

Canceled_Sub said:

Estimated current subscriber base is 5,000 give or take.   Of those, probably 3,000 are unique users with some having two or more accounts.  EJ accounts, don't count here, as the game is not currently gaining subscriber base.  

Average user lasts about 1 to 2 months before canceling.

At the current trajectory, I would suggest that Broadsword will not be in control within about 2-3 years.  At that point, subscriber base will not cover costs of employment.  

Edit: I wanted to add that, given the current Trajectory it is very likely that UO will shutdown within a two year window.  Thoughts?

Obviously you have not Cancelled your Sub.   I guess you do not have to re log into this forum daily with a paid account like it is supposed to work.

Wow this is an old thread.

My sub is canceled.  I just decided to do some more research on the game.  I'm trying to understand my experience.   No one can predict the future accurately, but we can see the writing on the wall.  It's coming.  I want to help Broadsword understand why.  It wouldn't shock me if EA doesn't renew with them next year.

At some point, an Executive will say it's done.

EA is so greedy it will ride this gravy train to the bitter end. 5,000 subs is $50,000 a month and with the current UO Store market I’d bet half the pop buys $10 worth of sovereigns a month $25,000 a month. Thats $75,000 a month. Don’t think any exec is gonna pull the plug on that. UO will live on. 

Agreed, but the costs to sustain are probably in the 50K per month range too.  People/Servers/Electricity/Computers/Etc.  The revenue is shrinking too. At some point, they will pull the plug.

One more thing, EJ was introduced just a little over a year ago.  I don't think it's worked, IMHO.  It was too restrictive.  Edit:  EJ isn't even a year old - apologies.  That's further support for the player base almost being end of the road.

OK all you old UO players how many time have we heard the sky is falling and here we all are still playing UO.  20+ years and I have yet to be hit by a piece of sky.

Threads like this only prove Chicken Little is alive & well w/ a paid UO account.

EJ is workin. I logged on, played a bit, then wanted the stuff in my bank and subbed. Here i am paying 2 subs. I’ve bought 5 mythics 10 soulstones, 3 forged metal, tokuno dyes, the list goes on. I play for challenge. If I ever find my 100% poison spell channel mage wep 25% splinter bokuto I’ll even pvp. But moral of story is EJ duped me with feels and intrigue 

Canceled_Sub said:

Agreed, but the costs to sustain are probably in the 50K per month range too.  People/Servers/Electricity/Computers/Etc.  The revenue is shrinking too. At some point, they will pull the plug.

Why is this cockroach still not dead when it said it is and now its spreading Dooms Day prediction and yet the post is not locked and poster is not banned. 

It is like going into someone's house or country to spread dooms day message but you can take it anywhere else please.

I don't care how many threads have been locked player banned but this is one that justifies 100%.

Not going to post another to this thread to bump this up. 

@Canceled_Sub I have been nice but if you want war in the forum and try convince players to quit, then you are an AH. I don't want to see another post from you.

If you have game suggestions there are hundreds of them waiting in queue. You send them directly to Broadsword email. 

Closed, by popular request.