Hythloth's Rewards : which one(s) do you think have and will retain best selling value ?

Which item(s) among the various Hythloth Rewards available, do you think hold(s) the best selling value and ability because, objectively, it is(are) and will pretty much always be, in good demand on any given Shard ?

Thanks for sharing your opinion !

popps said:

Which item(s) among the various Hythloth Rewards available, do you think hold(s) the best selling value and ability because, objectively, it is(are) and will pretty much always be, in good demand on any given Shard ?

Thanks for sharing your opinion !

Seth said:

popps said:

Which item(s) among the various Hythloth Rewards available, do you think hold(s) the best selling value and ability because, objectively, it is(are) and will pretty much always be, in good demand on any given Shard ?

Thanks for sharing your opinion !

The Balron armor obviously, but the lantern +5 sdi is also good. I am trying to collect enough to build characters for home shard before hunting other shards.

I have seen visitors from other shards recently in the dungeon...

Edit: Thanks to repeated Rewards, I am aiming for gargoyle gear as well. Hope to find more time to get +10 ssi for my gargoyle.

Thank you for your reply.

What about the SSI Epaulettes ?

Being, to my understanding, a "best in slot" item, does that mean that they will always be in high demand and, thus, retain a good selling value that is comparable to the Balron Armor and the Lantern ?

popps said:

Seth said:

popps said:

Which item(s) among the various Hythloth Rewards available, do you think hold(s) the best selling value and ability because, objectively, it is(are) and will pretty much always be, in good demand on any given Shard ?

Thanks for sharing your opinion !

The Balron armor obviously, but the lantern +5 sdi is also good. I am trying to collect enough to build characters for home shard before hunting other shards.

I have seen visitors from other shards recently in the dungeon...

Edit: Thanks to repeated Rewards, I am aiming for gargoyle gear as well. Hope to find more time to get +10 ssi for my gargoyle.

Thank you for your reply.

What about the SSI Epaulettes ?

Being, to my understanding, a "best in slot" item, does that mean that they will always be in high demand and, thus, retain a good selling value that is comparable to the Balron Armor and the Lantern ?

Since they are shard bound. You may want to ask players on your shard. The items don't travel well.

Pawain said:

Since they are shard bound. You may want to ask players on your shard. The items don't travel well.

If an item is usefull and, thus, needed (on demand), I think that this, is regardless of what Shard it is...

popps said:

Pawain said:

Since they are shard bound. You may want to ask players on your shard. The items don't travel well.

If an item is usefull and, thus, needed (on demand), I think that this, is regardless of what Shard it is...

So, you can not tell which items are useful?  Since the pages will never appear again, maybe you should buy extras of those.

Pawain said:

popps said:

Pawain said:

Since they are shard bound. You may want to ask players on your shard. The items don't travel well.

If an item is usefull and, thus, needed (on demand), I think that this, is regardless of what Shard it is...

So, you can not tell which items are useful?  Since the pages will never appear again, maybe you should buy extras of those.

The pages are for decoration, usefullness means one can actually "do something" with that item...

popps said:

Pawain said:

Since they are shard bound. You may want to ask players on your shard. The items don't travel well.

If an item is usefull and, thus, needed (on demand), I think that this, is regardless of what Shard it is...

But this entire thread has nothing to do with usefulness and is all about money and greed.
Isn't it funny that you never state your opinion first, why is that?

Depending on the answers given here the next thread will be about being able to get back your turn-in so you can get a different item because it is so unfair that you picked the wrong thing for resell.

Everybody needs to tell @popps it is the most useless item so he will get a bunch of them, @popps is incapable of using his own brain and when he does he comes on here and whines about how unfair it is that the DEVs will not change things to fit his needs.

The balron armor, the epps, and the boots will always be in demand (and hopefully return regularly keeping their prices low.) 

People who cross-shard can't transfer with them so they'll always be looking to buy. The demon slayer totem less so because cameos do transfer.

The named 50% sdi spellbooks, the book pages, the decorations, etc are all very neat and I'm glad they are included but those prices will depend on your shard. The aforementioned equipment prices will all be determined by how much a wealthy Atlantic cross-sharder is willing to pay which will drive the cost up everywhere.

Shouldn't be moved to the cats for sale section??

Jepeth said:

The balron armor, the epps, and the boots will always be in demand (and hopefully return regularly keeping their prices low.) 

People who cross-shard can't transfer with them so they'll always be looking to buy. The demon slayer totem less so because cameos do transfer.

The named 50% sdi spellbooks, the book pages, the decorations, etc are all very neat and I'm glad they are included but those prices will depend on your shard. The aforementioned equipment prices will all be determined by how much a wealthy Atlantic cross-sharder is willing to pay which will drive the cost up everywhere.

Seth said:

I don't think their prices will ever get too low... lol

Unique specs + shard bound + event-only item.

Well, for sure low is a relative term here. I could see a good balance if these items were under a hundred million on the low to just about 200 on the high. Granted that’s not “low” for most players but it isn’t the 3 quarters of a billion in gold the epps had been trending towards.

Lord_Frodo said:

popps said:

Pawain said:

Since they are shard bound. You may want to ask players on your shard. The items don't travel well.

If an item is usefull and, thus, needed (on demand), I think that this, is regardless of what Shard it is...

But this entire thread has nothing to do with usefulness and is all about money and greed.
Isn't it funny that you never state your opinion first, why is that?

Depending on the answers given here the next thread will be about being able to get back your turn-in so you can get a different item because it is so unfair that you picked the wrong thing for resell.

Everybody needs to tell @ popps it is the most useless item so he will get a bunch of them, @ popps is incapable of using his own brain and when he does he comes on here and whines about how unfair it is that the DEVs will not change things to fit his needs.

Nothing at all about "money and greed" but, rather, of players who, perhaps, have been able to get enough points to get the Rewards that they personally need/want, but have some "spare" points to claim some other Reward and, not needing anything else for themselves, they thought to use those points for a Reward or 2 which might actually be in good demand and, thus, be easy to sell and for a good amount which then these players could spend to buy themselves other items which they may need....

Money comes, money goes....

And what makes "demand" ? What players may want...

So, players pointing out to this or that particular Reward might hint that a given Reward might be more on demand and, thus, be an item which those players having "spare" extra point could claim to them sell them more easily and for a better price.

I do not see what might be wrong with any of that.

Jepeth said:

Seth said:

I don't think their prices will ever get too low... lol

Unique specs + shard bound + event-only item.

Well, for sure low is a relative term here. I could see a good balance if these items were under a hundred million on the low to just about 200 on the high. Granted that’s not “low” for most players but it isn’t the 3 quarters of a billion in gold the epps had been trending towards.

The SSI Epaulettes have been selling for 750 millions of UO gold ?

WOW........

Then, I suppose, the SSI Epaulettes are the Reward pick that might make more sense to pick.... 

Not to mention, that they cost 100 points versus the 150 points of the Balron Armor...

If 100 points bring home 750 Millions with the SSI Epaulettes, then what does the 150 points Balron Armor sell for ? Over 1 Platinum of gold ?

I mean, the math is rather easy.... 750 / 100 points =  7.50 millions per point.

Therefore, 150 points the Balron Armor takes = 7.50 x 150 = 1.1 Platinum UO gold....

again this is nothing but a price check on Cats lets keep the moderation fair and even or at least rename the thread...

Jepeth said:

Seth said:

I don't think their prices will ever get too low... lol

Unique specs + shard bound + event-only item.

Well, for sure low is a relative term here. I could see a good balance if these items were under a hundred million on the low to just about 200 on the high. Granted that’s not “low” for most players but it isn’t the 3 quarters of a billion in gold the epps had been trending towards.

popps said:

The SSI Epaulettes have been selling for 750 millions of UO gold ?

WOW........

Then, I suppose, the SSI Epaulettes are the Reward pick that might make more sense to pick.... 

Not to mention, that they cost 100 points versus the 150 points of the Balron Armor...

If 100 points bring home 750 Millions with the SSI Epaulettes, then what does the 150 points Balron Armor sell for ? Over 1 Platinum of gold ?

I mean, the math is rather easy.... 750 / 100 points =  7.50 millions per point.

Therefore, 150 points the Balron Armor takes = 7.50 x 150 = 1.1 Platinum UO gold....

They were trending towards that much, not that each and every epp was selling that range. Looking back on a populated discord I see that in the months leading up to this event they were going 600-700 million. Now that they are back I wouldn't expect after this event they would continue to go for that price. At least not for a good long while. 

Whether or not the Balron armor could or would go for over a plat depends on how people theorycraft out its use moving forward. The epps are incredibly useful across a variety of templates due to what they bring to that armor slot. The chest piece will likely be a staple of every archer and sampire's suit but there are still alternative choices out there. 

And to your point, @Seth, I agree that most of these items won't fall below 100 million. Personally I don't think that's healthy for the game long-term, but it is the reality of the game. In lieu of them returning I'd much rather see these items find their way onto a Blackthorn captain-like system. The people who need the items are happy cause they can put the time in with others to earn them. The people who want new items in these events are happy because the devs can focus on including those. I suppose the only people who wouldn't be happy are the ones who ground out thousands of points for multiple copies. But, hey, gambling can go both ways!

Jepeth said:

In lieu of them returning I'd much rather see these items find their way onto a Blackthorn captain-like system. The people who need the items are happy cause they can put the time in with others to earn them. The people who want new items in these events are happy because the devs can focus on including those. I suppose the only people who wouldn't be happy are the ones who ground out thousands of points for multiple copies. But, hey, gambling can go both ways!

they have answered the top selling items...
but for me, I really like the transmog items too

I am hoping I will have time to get one on other shards
not just my home shard
just because I love the look of it dyed Dull Ruby

I doubt if they will repeat the transmog items

Yes, the transmog items are likely to be a sleeper hit later. My mage/t-hunter is much happier with his new transmog lantern as opposed to carrying that heavy shield around.

Dude just asked a simple question…. not sure why it sparked rage in some. 

dvvid said:

Dude just asked a simple question…. not sure why it sparked rage in some. 

For real.

Vic sells puppies and bacon for 100 on Origin tyty gets 200 on pac it's a question with no answer that should have been specifically asked on his home shard and no matter the answer given it would be counter debated until some answer that fits thier agenda is given with much bashing in between 

The OP question is about relative value between items in an event. 

On another note, I do not understand the logic behind setting the "points' costs" for Rewards...

Let me make an example to better explain myself.

Let's look at 2 Rewards which are supposedly "mirrored", so to speak...

General Lethe's Epaulettes, intended for Spellcasters, and Lord Morphius' Epaulettes, intended for Warriors.


Now, their cost is the same, 100 points, yet, while Lord Morphius SSI Epaulettes are actually a good addition for Warriors, because of the alternative suits options which they can open up, thus worth the 100 points effort to earn them, not the same can be said for General Lethe's Epaulettes which do not bring to spellcasters that "change" in a suit that the SSI Epaulettes bring for Warriors.

Yet, they cost the same 100 points to get.

This, to point out how, if a player had 100 points to spend on a Reward for selling purposes, I understand, that they would be much better off getting a Lord Morphius Epaulettes rather then General Lethe's Epaulettes.....

Yet, they were priced the same 100 points and I do not understand the logic behind that.

Why is the deco wildfire lantern so expensive.  Why do we have to pay for any of it. We should be able to make our own prices. They can trust us to price them correctly. 

Pawain said:

Why is the deco wildfire lantern so expensive.  Why do we have to pay for any of it. We should be able to make our own prices. They can trust us to price them correctly. 

Do not really understand all of the animosity expressed by some players to this discussion.  For players like myself that will only have enough points to claim one or two of the more highly desirable items I think we would find this discussion quite helpful.  I can judge what I think the items are worth to me but I find the information presented by others quite useful sometimes. Also, having an idea of what some of these things are worth would be helpful.  The items I could buy for selling a 179 million gold item would do me a lot more good than the item itself.

Prices are set too often by atl prices this will not be the same with shard bound so it's difficult to gage while the best in slot seems like the sure bet i would bet on the transmog items and the talisman cheap point wise and the transmog item's can be transferred so just calling out in general chat on Cats seems like the best way for this specific question to be answered...

Arnold7 said:

Do not really understand all of the animosity expressed by some players to this discussion.  For players like myself that will only have enough points to claim one or two of the more highly desirable items I think we would find this discussion quite helpful.  I can judge what I think the items are worth to me but I find the information presented by others quite useful sometimes. Also, having an idea of what some of these things are worth would be helpful.  The items I could buy for selling a 179 million gold item would do me a lot more good than the item itself.

Yeah, I wanted to say such events are easy way from new players to earn gold super fast, if they sell the right item. 

While the items cannot be transferred, they can hunt on Atlantic and sell there to make the gold, buy other essentials and ship back. 

Popps's question is actually a question asked by a lot of newly returned players.  Seasonal content like this is one of the best ways for returning or casual players to make money.  It's nice that it was posted here where people from all shards can see the discussion vs relying on a shard's general chat.

McDougle said:

just calling out in general chat on Cats seems like the best way for this specific question to be answered...

Permanent, retrievable information is always more valuable than fleeting ephemera; like one person asking a question at only one moment in-game.

The game's economy is worthy of discussion! These treasures events items have become some of the most important equipment to hit the game in years and, as many are so found of berating popps about, anyone can earn them with little time and character ability.

I actually don't think we talk enough about what these items are going to do to the economy and playstyles of the game long-term. Shard bound, antique, high-cost, all of those together or none at all on specific items which become intrinsic to how we, new people, and returners all play the game are of real importance. Our dev team made specific choices on these event items and those choices are worthy of  discussion.

Arnold7 said:

Do not really understand all of the animosity expressed by some players to this discussion.  For players like myself that will only have enough points to claim one or two of the more highly desirable items I think we would find this discussion quite helpful.  I can judge what I think the items are worth to me but I find the information presented by others quite useful sometimes. Also, having an idea of what some of these things are worth would be helpful.  The items I could buy for selling a 179 million gold item would do me a lot more good than the item itself.

I would first use the items you can use to make your toon be able to fight better.  That way you invest in your own ability to get items in the future.

The boots, SSI epps, the Balron chest. Are great items for a Dexxer. Also the Demon Talisman.

Even if you not have a Dexxer you may make one someday, These items will allow you to make one easier.

Once you have what you want as deco and useful items, then consider gold.  

1.  Use your better template to kill things fast at the start of next dungeon when the drops sell for 5M gold each.

2. Sell drops now for a lower price or get One of the above mentioned items and sell now or after the event.

Getting drops just to sell right now may not serve you best in the long run.  If you did not keep items for yourself. 

 

Violet said:

Popps's question is actually a question asked by a lot of newly returned players.  Seasonal content like this is one of the best ways for returning or casual players to make money.  It's nice that it was posted here where people from all shards can see the discussion vs relying on a shard's general chat.

One of the great things about these events! Selling drops can allow a player buy their first pet scrolls.

I'm sure some of the anger towards Popps has to do with him asking things and never following thru.  Also his arguing with answers when they are given.

Just noticed in Popps picture he does not have enough points to buy Epaulets. So, is now the time to ask about buying multiple items for resale.  So all the answers given are useless to him until he has points to buy things.

I have everything I need and luckily I have some points left. Gonna try to get to 1000 just for fun.
At 10 drops an hour that just 50 more hours!



I have yet to sell any item from these events, I'm a hoarder not a seller.

Pawain said:

Why is the deco wildfire lantern so expensive.  Why do we have to pay for any of it. We should be able to make our own prices. They can trust us to price them correctly. 

I can perceive the sarcasm.... nonetheless, do we remember the initial pricing of the Ostard at last Event ?

It was initially higher (together with other items if I remember it as right...) yet, players complained, gave their valid reasons as to why those initial prices were too high, and the final pricing was lowered.

Please @Pawain , answer to this simple question....

Do you, personally, consider the General Lethe's Epaulettes, intended for Spellcasters, and Lord Morphius' Epaulettes, intended for Warriors, to really be of the same value to players and, thus, rightfully having the same 100 points cost ?

I don't, and many other players also do not think so.

As many have already pointed out, the SSi Epaulettes for Warriors have a significantly higher usefullness to Warriors as compared to the Spellcasters' Epaulettes and whatever usefullness they may have to Spellcasters.... yet, they were priced the same.

And I am curious, to know why, what is that gets computed to then determine the setting of the prices for these Rewards.

Seth said:

For a newbie, a +10 SSI clean ring could be junk and sell for 10GP but we never see that price because it's bought off the vendor the moment it landed. Sometimes items get sold out in the market and someone posted a new item for sale without reference so he does not know what the last price was.

Talking about that, I will never understand why it is not possible for crafters to imbue SSI on jewellery....

The only 1 ring that is craftable with SSI and, mind you, only +5% SSI, is a pain (and becomes expensive to craft) to make because SSI has only a "chance" to show up and, with it, there is always Damage Increase which, for some Templates, might be not wanted (not sure if it can be removed with a Whetstone...).

What does Swing Speed Increase have, to NOT be among those properties which crafters can imbue ?

Go figure....

At the very least, the Developers ( @Kyronix ? ) could make an adjustment to the Loot Table and make it more likely that "clean" +10% SSI rings and bracelets could spawn as loot on MoBs....

Pawain said:

I'm sure some of the anger towards Popps has to do with him asking things and never following thru.  Also his arguing with answers when they are given.

Just noticed in Popps picture he does not have enough points to buy Epaulets. So, is now the time to ask about buying multiple items for resale.  So all the answers given are useless to him until he has points to buy things.

I have everything I need and luckily I have some points left. Gonna try to get to 1000 just for fun.
At 10 drops an hour that just 50 more hours!



I have yet to sell any item from these events, I'm a hoarder not a seller.

I'm sure some of the anger towards Popps has to do with him asking things and never following thru.  

Well, eventually, I did make a Sampire as I was asked repeatedly to do, didn't I ?

Yet, though, I am not proud of it....

I would have much more preferred to have won my argument with the Developers and have been able to see changes to these Events' Design so as to be able to play with my Tamer, which is what I more enjoy, without having to then suffer a severe loss of the drops' rate as compared to using a Warrior.

 Also his arguing with answers when they are given.

That is by no means an arguing for the mere sake of wanting to argue but, rather, a desire for more clarifications.

Often, players who kindly offer help on game's issues, may do it in "cryptical" words, assuming many things as already being known when, often, it is not the case.

I feel that, if one wants to offer help, they need to consider "beyond" the one player asking for that help and consider other UO players with less knowledge, reading those Posts weeks, months, Years down the road and lacking many of the assumed known informations.

What I am trying to say is, that when offering help, I think that such help should be as much as possible a "step-by-step" walkthrough help as being offered and not a 5 words sentence which might mean everything to those writing it, but has hardly any meaning to a lot of non-experienced UO players reading it....

Just noticed in Popps picture he does not have enough points to buy Epaulets. 

I just spent my points in those things which I wanted for myself and my characters. That is the reason for my balance being zero.

Yet, we got another month+ to go so, even though we have other Events which might take time in the game, I expect myself to do more Hythloth and, thus, get more drops which I could use to claim a Reward or 2 to sell so as to make gold to buy other items which I need.

Which is the point of this Thread, to "guide" players towards those items which may have a higher resell value....

 I'm a hoarder not a seller.

Money comes, money goes.... often, a UO player needs to buy items... and those items can cost lots (think about Scrolls of Power, Stats Scrolls, Cameos etc. etc.).... therefore, being a seller is not a bad thing when one spends that gold received from selling extra items in the game to buy other items in the game which they need to play with their characters or pets, and not to sell that gold on some RMT web site......

popps said:

Talking about that, I will never understand why it is not possible for crafters to imbue SSI on jewellery....

We can imbue 10 SSI on each jewel, so the total is 20 SSI. 

A typical warrior's template ideal SSI could be 

• Jewels: 20 SSI
• Epaulette: 10 SSI (used to be Insane Tinker Legs)
• Cameo: 5 SSI (or use Ranger's cloak 5 SSI)

Melee warriors typically aim for 

• 35 SSI if their stamina <180 during a fight
• 25 SSI if stamina maintains >180

We based this on the popular double axe with a 3.25 secs rating, so that it can achieve 1.25s (max weapon swing speed)

1) So if he can maintain 180 stamina during all fights, then he can either:

• Jewels: 10 SSI (this frees up one jewel to imbue skills or other specs)
• Epaulette: 10 SSI
• Cameo: 5 SSI

Total: 25 SSI

2) Or, free up the epaulette to use the Blackthorn Epaulette with 140 luck

• Jewels: 20 SSI
• Cameo: 5 SSI

Total: 25 SSI

Well, I just learned about the 25 SSI (quietly) when @Drago posted on why he uses resist in his template. Having high resist magic reduces the effects of the Curse spell, so the stamina is still >180 after getting cursed. 

In addition, I believe he should be using a full metal armour (plate, chain, ring, dragon) to reduce stamina drop caused by melee damage, esp. from heavy hitters monsters like Rend. So his LMC should be 40 or 45. 

popps said:

At the very least, the Developers ( @ Kyronix ? ) could make an adjustment to the Loot Table and make it more likely that "clean" +10% SSI rings and bracelets could spawn as loot on MoBs....

For the past 5 years, the clean +10 SSI is priced at 20million consistently... I have searched the web and found some clue deep inside Stratics dungeon that the jewels can be found at the Guardian Room in Doom. Then I overhead others talking about demons dropping them as well. 

A jewel with both
+10 SSI, +35 DI cost alot more

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So we're changing the title to what are arties really worth/what can and can't be imbued?? Asking for a friend 

Mariah said:

@ Seth I'm sorry to disagree with you, but popps is correct. You cannot imbue swing speed increase on jewelry, it only appears as loot.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/imbuing/imbuing-ingredients-table/

Mages too are often reliant on loot rather that imbuing for mana regen on jewels.

Ah so sorry it’s not imbued it’s from loot, I answered myself in last para.

McDougle said:

So we're changing the title to what are arties really worth/what can and can't be imbued?? Asking for a friend 

Somewhat related, anything which cannot be imbued makes them valuable. 

Seth said:

We can imbue 10 SSI on each jewel, so the total is 20 SSI. 

Unfortunately, not that I know of.....

While it does is possible to imbue Swing Speed Increase on a Weapon, for some odd mystery within Ultima Online's Design, it is not possible to imbue Swing Speed Increase on jewellery...

Never understood the why of it....

Actually, if there is any sound and valid reason within Ultima Online's Design papers, @Kyronix , could you please share with all of UO players the reasons and logic behind why Swing Speed Increase has been barred from being imbuable on jewellery ?

Thanks.

McDougle said:

So we're changing the title to what are arties really worth/what can and can't be imbued?? Asking for a friend 

LMAO  How so true.