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Is this considered a scam/phishing?

Started by LBalthazar · 2021-10-29 · 44 posts · General Discussions
LBalthazar 2021-10-29 17:32 #0
Someone sells a bunch of similar items occasionally adding a few zeroes to those, which are in between. Is it considered fraudulent? Can it be reported?
I'd be grateful if the administration could shed a light on this shady topic. @Mesanna, @Kyronix, @Mariah.

Thanks and be careful!

Seth 2021-10-29 17:59 #1
Intentional typo  😂
McDougle 2021-10-29 18:14 #2
Didn't we go through this a few months ago buyer beware 
Victim_Of_Siege 2021-10-29 18:16 #3
No, it shouldn't be punishable because it asks you are you sure you want to pay XXXX for this item before you actually purchase it. The onus to verify that is what you want to pay for it is on you.  now, if i see that on a vendor i will put it on the bulletin board if it has one, and then check back on occasion to see if they respond to my message. if I see it remains and there is no reply I simply mark that vendor off my shopping list. Slow down, read the price and Caveat Emptor.  
Pawain 2021-10-29 18:32 #4
This would not be a problem if we had a confirmation gump before the sale concludes.  They should make one...
Superfrog 2021-10-29 18:56 #5
Pawain said:
This would not be a problem if we had a confirmation gump before the sale concludes.  They should make one...
I went ahead and mocked up what it could look like, see pic below.


Lord_Frodo 2021-10-29 19:14 #6

OUTSTANDING IDEA

DEVs could you please do this ASAP
McDougle 2021-10-29 19:51 #7
The onus is on the buyer to pay attention the developers are busy with my whiny list of demands and have no time for policing people to in a hurry to read..


Ps if they were too in a hurry already another gump will annoy them and they shall click faster...

Without reading..
TimSt 2021-10-29 22:02 #8
Superfrog said:
Pawain said:
This would not be a problem if we had a confirmation gump before the sale concludes.  They should make one...
I went ahead and mocked up what it could look like, see pic below.


Your mock up would be better if there was separators like a comma (or period depending on the locale) every third number starting from the right. 
McDougle 2021-10-29 22:31 #9
Even if it was wrong (it's not) i find no sorrow in my heart at a trammy sticking it to a red..
Pawain 2021-10-29 22:57 #10
Or he has built in supply and demand.  When the 3.5M ones run out you can buy the 35M ones if you are that desperate.
Arnold7 2021-10-29 23:08 #11
Sometimes I think the developers make to much of cheating and in general of some players being able to take advantage of others as one of the major selling points of this game.  But in this case the player can clearly see the price that is marked. I see this also some times on individually priced lower priced items a player might click on in a hurry just to get enough of them for the next outing.  If it says 3,500,000 and it rings up on that hard to see interface at 35,000,000 I would consider that cheating but simply marking different prices on the same item is not.  If it is done with the intent of taking advantage of the unwary, well, that’s how UO is played.
Lord_Frodo 2021-10-29 23:57 #12
Arnold7 said:
Sometimes I think the developers make to much of cheating and in general of some players being able to take advantage of others as one of the major selling points of this game.  But in this case the player can clearly see the price that is marked. I see this also some times on individually priced lower priced items a player might click on in a hurry just to get enough of them for the next outing.  If it says 3,500,000 and it rings up on that hard to see interface at 35,000,000 I would consider that cheating but simply marking different prices on the same item is not.  If it is done with the intent of taking advantage of the unwary, well, that’s how UO is played.
AMEN  Been like that for 24 years and it is so funny when people whine about getting scammed because they did not pay attention.
Sliss 2021-10-30 00:22 #13
TimSt said:
Superfrog said:
Pawain said:
This would not be a problem if we had a confirmation gump before the sale concludes.  They should make one...
I went ahead and mocked up what it could look like, see pic below.


Your mock up would be better if there was separators like a comma (or period depending on the locale) every third number starting from the right. 
They don't do commas. I'll show myself out.
Pawain 2021-10-30 00:27 #14
They added commas to the trade window. There also was some bug that allowed players to change the gold amount after the other player accepted.

I guess a forward thinking development team would have taken one more step and put commas everywhere.
dvvid 2021-10-30 05:42 #15
There’s a more scammy version of this where they put one item at a reasonable price down and stack another of the same item on top with a similar looking price but way higher so when you go to buy the item you may not realize it’s for a lot more. 

For instance, there’s a vendor on ATL who puts POF for sale for 150,000 and stacks POF on top of it for 150,000,000. If you are not paying attention, you may fall for their scam. It’s awful that it is even possible. Users with EC grid view may fall for this less often since the stack is laid out instead of on top of each other. But still… 
popps 2021-10-30 08:05 #16
TimSt said:
Superfrog said:
Pawain said:
This would not be a problem if we had a confirmation gump before the sale concludes.  They should make one...
I went ahead and mocked up what it could look like, see pic below.


Your mock up would be better if there was separators like a comma (or period depending on the locale) every third number starting from the right. 
One problem that I have with that Gump, is the lack of "commas" which make, particularly for those who may have some visual issues, more difficult to "well understand" what the actual price is....

At the very least, the warning Gump should have "commas" every 3 zeros so as to better permit to a player to understand what price they are looking at....
Victim_Of_Siege 2021-10-30 09:05 #17
popps said:
TimSt said:
Superfrog said:
Pawain said:
This would not be a problem if we had a confirmation gump before the sale concludes.  They should make one...
I went ahead and mocked up what it could look like, see pic below.


Your mock up would be better if there was separators like a comma (or period depending on the locale) every third number starting from the right. 
One problem that I have with that Gump, is the lack of "commas" which make, particularly for those who may have some visual issues, more difficult to "well understand" what the actual price is....

At the very least, the warning Gump should have "commas" every 3 zeros so as to better permit to a player to understand what price they are looking at....


Until they add comma's, It's still on you to count the zeros. again, slow down, double check your price and Caveat Emptor until the DEVS decide to add commas. 
dvvid 2021-10-30 16:06 #19
How difficult is it to add commas to a number… this issue has been around for so long and kind of seems like something an intern could fix lol
Lord_Frodo 2021-10-30 17:09 #20
dvvid said:
How difficult is it to add commas to a number… this issue has been around for so long and kind of seems like something an intern could fix lol
Commas or not it is still NOT a scam and never has been.  Yes I would love to see commas but I still read before saying yes.
Drago 2021-10-30 18:50 #21
Another scam are valiant scrolls of commendation that have already been used.  People who do that should be shot and hanged.

Pawain 2021-10-30 19:52 #22
Drago said:
Another scam are valiant scrolls of commendation that have already been used.  People who do that should be shot and hanged.

Those have the players name who claimed them on the scroll.

Says Claimed by "player name".  
Arnold7 2021-10-30 22:22 #23
Thanks I’d not know about that one.
McDougle 2021-10-30 22:23 #24
Pawain said:
Drago said:
Another scam are valiant scrolls of commendation that have already been used.  People who do that should be shot and hanged.

Those have the players name who claimed them on the scroll.

Says Claimed by "player name".  
There are two types one says claimed by the others do not 


https://www.uoguide.com/Scroll_of_Valiant_Commendation
Dryzzid 2021-10-30 22:31 #25
Hate to say it but it's a buyer beware type deal. It's shifty as heck to do that to folks but it's also a lesson we all had to learn.
Pawain 2021-10-31 01:25 #26
 T9McDougle said:
Pawain said:
Drago said:
Another scam are valiant scrolls of commendation that have already been used.  People who do that should be shot and hanged.

Those have the players name who claimed them on the scroll.

Says Claime nd by "player name".  
There are two types one says claimed by the others do not 


https://www.uoguide.com/Scroll_of_Valiant_Commendation
That link shows the unused ones looking different from the used ones. Not sure what your point is.
Especially since both unused types mention dbl clk to get the 5 points.

Players buy PBDs  they know they can't use. Some like names as deco.
Seth 2021-10-31 03:43 #27
Seth said:

Ah Huh! After spending some time investigating, the issue is not due to software limitations.

  • The bank gold transfer gump has commas


  • The character item transfer gump has commas

  • The vendor buy has no commas

Caught red-handed!
Tyrath 2021-10-31 06:45 #28
 I suspect more often than not what happens is the person stocking simply hits a extra zero unintentionally.  Happens to me when I put up a vendor and mass stock something, While back I put 110 Tritons on a vendor at 12,000,000 per and sold all but 2 and could not figure out why those two would not sell then looked closer at them and I had them priced at 120,000,000. No intent to scam or rip anyone off, just a simple mistake on my part.  Pulled them out put them back in at the correct price and they were gone the next morning. 

  If someone had bought them at the 120,000,000 price not much I can do about it, and the burden falls to the buyer to ensure they are paying the correct amount.  You have to click it to buy it and then click to confirm the purchase if you can't tell the difference between 12000000 and 120000000 on the confirmation click or the difference between 12,000,000 and 120,000,000 on in the vendor price then that is on the buyer.  Maybe slow yer clicking down a little bit and make sure the price is correct on each item before clicking it to buy it. And in my case anyway if a price isn't right post it on the bulletin board and let me know so I can correct the price.  I notice no one is complaining when a item on a vendor is mistakenly under priced.
Seth 2021-10-31 06:56 #29
Tyrath said:
 I suspect more often than not what happens is the person stocking simply hits a extra zero unintentionally.  Happens to me when I put up a vendor and mass stock something, While back I put 110 Tritons on a vendor at 12,000,000 per and sold all but 2 and could not figure out why those two would not sell then looked closer at them and I had them priced at 120,000,000. No intent to scam or rip anyone off, just a simple mistake on my part.  Pulled them out put them back in at the correct price and they were gone the next morning. 

  If someone had bought them at the 120,000,000 price not much I can do about it, and the burden falls to the buyer to ensure they are paying the correct amount.  You have to click it to buy it and then click to confirm the purchase if you can't tell the difference between 12000000 and 120000000 on the confirmation click or the difference between 12,000,000 and 120,000,000 on in the vendor price then that is on the buyer.  Maybe slow yer clicking down a little bit and make sure the price is correct on each item before clicking it to buy it. And in my case anyway if a price isn't right post it on the bulletin board and let me know so I can correct the price.  I notice no one is complaining when a item on a vendor is mistakenly under priced.

Yes, we have all seen vendors priced wrongly due to typ0.

If they add a zero, we call it a scam.
If they missed a zero, we call it a steal. (which literally is)

For bulk items, sometimes they forget to enter the price and so the system falls back to the default which is normally very cheap.

The best every developer can and should do is add commas into the system, whereas human errors are unavoidable.



Tyrath 2021-10-31 07:21 #30
Seth said:
Tyrath said:
 I suspect more often than not what happens is the person stocking simply hits a extra zero unintentionally.  Happens to me when I put up a vendor and mass stock something, While back I put 110 Tritons on a vendor at 12,000,000 per and sold all but 2 and could not figure out why those two would not sell then looked closer at them and I had them priced at 120,000,000. No intent to scam or rip anyone off, just a simple mistake on my part.  Pulled them out put them back in at the correct price and they were gone the next morning. 

  If someone had bought them at the 120,000,000 price not much I can do about it, and the burden falls to the buyer to ensure they are paying the correct amount.  You have to click it to buy it and then click to confirm the purchase if you can't tell the difference between 12000000 and 120000000 on the confirmation click or the difference between 12,000,000 and 120,000,000 on in the vendor price then that is on the buyer.  Maybe slow yer clicking down a little bit and make sure the price is correct on each item before clicking it to buy it. And in my case anyway if a price isn't right post it on the bulletin board and let me know so I can correct the price.  I notice no one is complaining when a item on a vendor is mistakenly under priced.

Yes, we have all seen vendors priced wrongly due to typ0.

If they add a zero, we call it a scam.
If they missed a zero, we call it a steal. (which literally is)

For bulk items, sometimes they forget to enter the price and so the system falls back to the default which is normally very cheap.

The best every developer can and should do is add commas into the system, whereas human errors are unavoidable.




 Don't see where adding commas on the confirmation would make that much difference when folks are fast click buying a lot of the same thing from a vendor.  LOL When I buy out Larisa's stock of Powder I pay little attention to the individual prices and she could probably slip one in for a 100,000,000 and I would not notice, because I DO NOT PAY ATTENTION when buying massive amounts from known and trusted vendors. I do pay a bit more attention on not so well known vendors, but still could easily over pay.  That is on me not the vendor and not the devs.... the numbers are there twice one with commas and one without for me to inspect before the purchase is complete.

Lord_Frodo 2021-10-31 08:04 #31
Yes there are people that do the pricing of the same thing by slipping in an extra Zero but guess what it is LEGAL and it falls to the buyer to look before buying.  A seller can do what ever he/she wants to the price of their items.  Quit whining because you are to lazy to pay attention.
Mariah 2021-10-31 11:44 #32
The price can clearly be seen in the picture, including commas. Whether the discrepency is intended or accidental any buyer can clearly see the price on the vendor.

Hint: When pricing multiple items it is possible to use ctrl+c and ctrl+v in both clients to ensure consistency.
Cinderella 2021-11-01 02:17 #33
Mariah said:
The price can clearly be seen in the picture, including commas. Whether the discrepency is intended or accidental any buyer can clearly see the price on the vendor.

Hint: When pricing multiple items it is possible to use ctrl+c and ctrl+v in both clients to ensure consistency.
in CC you can ctrl-Q
but there is no option in EC to repeat what you type.
(I wish they would add that feature to EC)

in order to do what you suggest, they have to write it somewhere else
to copy and paste (so others know what you were referencing)
Seth 2021-11-01 02:32 #34
When adding items to the vendor, I think it is possible to ctrl-c and ctrl-v the price. I could not remember if I used the notepad first, but its so fast.

I tried to load 40 repair scrolls onto the vendor, so I did the copy and paste. Sometimes I do so fast (or I yawned) and miss out on one, so the price becomes the default 4GP. If anyone knows any macro to bulk price single items in EC without Pinco, please share.
Lord_Frodo 2021-11-01 03:43 #35
UO Assist has a vendor macro
dvvid 2021-11-01 04:25 #36
Cinderella said:
Mariah said:
The price can clearly be seen in the picture, including commas. Whether the discrepency is intended or accidental any buyer can clearly see the price on the vendor.

Hint: When pricing multiple items it is possible to use ctrl+c and ctrl+v in both clients to ensure consistency.
in CC you can ctrl-Q
but there is no option in EC to repeat what you type.
(I wish they would add that feature to EC)

in order to do what you suggest, they have to write it somewhere else
to copy and paste (so others know what you were referencing)
You can copy/paste I’m EC. I do it all the time with my vendor. 

Place item on vendor, type the price, highlight, copy, put another item on vendor, paste price into window. This is using ctrl c/ctrl v. 
Lord_Frodo 2021-11-01 13:43 #37
I thought the EC had a Vendor stocking thing on the containers menu
Tim 2021-11-01 18:30 #38
Ctrl c & Ctrl V are bass Windows so will always work unless you have a utility or program overriding it. As in assigning them as a hotkey.
JohnKnighthawke 2021-11-01 22:37 #39
Sure might be scamming but also could be an error. Many buyers have benefited from similar errors going in the other direction. For my part it's hard to justify action against a player for something that could easily be an error.

It's also.....Not the best scam.
Arroth_Thaiel 2021-11-01 23:32 #40
in CC you can ctrl-Q
but there is no option in EC to repeat what you type.
(I wish they would add that feature to EC)
...
In the default Enhanced Client you can Cycle Chat Forward/Backward. These options allow you to move through a list of the things you've typed into chat since the play session began (I believe - could be buffered). The list is channel specific and retains chat memory when channels are switched and any channel is returned to.

Cycle Chat Forward/Backward are customizable bindings (you can bind Crt-Q, or anything else you like). You'll find the control for these settings under User Settings > Input. It's near the bottom of the input list, right above Log Out and Quit Game.
Cinderella 2021-11-02 13:48 #41
Arroth_Thaiel said:
in CC you can ctrl-Q
but there is no option in EC to repeat what you type.
(I wish they would add that feature to EC)
...
In the default Enhanced Client you can Cycle Chat Forward/Backward. These options allow you to move through a list of the things you've typed into chat since the play session began (I believe - could be buffered). The list is channel specific and retains chat memory when channels are switched and any channel is returned to.

Cycle Chat Forward/Backward are customizable bindings (you can bind Crt-Q, or anything else you like). You'll find the control for these settings under User Settings > Input. It's near the bottom of the input list, right above Log Out and Quit Game.
thank you.
I didn't realize that you could do that.
I always use the right ctrl button in CC
& didn't think to use the left one.

(thanks everyone for bringing this to my attention.
other EC users I know, didn't know about this either.
And anyone who wanted to know this info
will be able to see it too)
popps 2021-11-02 16:47 #42
Cinderella said:
Arroth_Thaiel said:
in CC you can ctrl-Q
but there is no option in EC to repeat what you type.
(I wish they would add that feature to EC)
...
In the default Enhanced Client you can Cycle Chat Forward/Backward. These options allow you to move through a list of the things you've typed into chat since the play session began (I believe - could be buffered). The list is channel specific and retains chat memory when channels are switched and any channel is returned to.

Cycle Chat Forward/Backward are customizable bindings (you can bind Crt-Q, or anything else you like). You'll find the control for these settings under User Settings > Input. It's near the bottom of the input list, right above Log Out and Quit Game.
thank you.
I didn't realize that you could do that.
I always use the right ctrl button in CC
& didn't think to use the left one.

(thanks everyone for bringing this to my attention.
other EC users I know, didn't know about this either.
And anyone who wanted to know this info
will be able to see it too)
Actually, @Mariah , would it be possible to gather all these commands somewhere in the UO Wiki for players to more easily find them ?
Mariah 2021-11-02 18:56 #43
popps said:
Cinderella said:
Arroth_Thaiel said:
in CC you can ctrl-Q
but there is no option in EC to repeat what you type.
(I wish they would add that feature to EC)
...
In the default Enhanced Client you can Cycle Chat Forward/Backward. These options allow you to move through a list of the things you've typed into chat since the play session began (I believe - could be buffered). The list is channel specific and retains chat memory when channels are switched and any channel is returned to.

Cycle Chat Forward/Backward are customizable bindings (you can bind Crt-Q, or anything else you like). You'll find the control for these settings under User Settings > Input. It's near the bottom of the input list, right above Log Out and Quit Game.
thank you.
I didn't realize that you could do that.
I always use the right ctrl button in CC
& didn't think to use the left one.

(thanks everyone for bringing this to my attention.
other EC users I know, didn't know about this either.
And anyone who wanted to know this info
will be able to see it too)
Actually, @ Mariah , would it be possible to gather all these commands somewhere in the UO Wiki for players to more easily find them ?

Can we start another thread for this? I need to know exactly what you want and where you think it should be, I can title it as 'Keybindings' as that section of the user settings for EC is in game, but I need the CC equivelants. I am unable to log in to Classic Client currently.

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