Dev Team Recommendations : Low Hanging Fruit

• Doom (Rewards are weak)
• Collections (Scripters paradise with 800k rewards and turns at like 8-15pts each requiring 60,000 shields to get a mace and shields glasses)
• Peerless (rewards are generally junk besides crimson)
• Marties (old and junk - armor sets aren't worth collecting)
• Bods (rewards in some areas tired and runics have decreased value)
• Imbuing (intensity limit keeps armor from rivaling loot)
• Quests (Low reward quests not worth the effort)
• Heartwood quests (way too grindy only good for recipes and tali's)
• Void Pool (rewards weak for effort required)
• Clean up program (some rewards are old and tired and bad point values like 10k for 'random' SOA)

Axe of the Heavens

Artifact Rarity 11 Hit Lightning 50% Hit Chance Increase 15% Defense Chance Increase 15% Damage Increase 50% Physical Damage 100% Weapon Damage 15-18 Weapon Speed 3.25 Strength Requirement 45 Two-Handed Weapon Weapon Skill: Swordsmanship Durability 255

Axe of the Heavens

Artifact Rarity 11 Hit Lightning 50% <Random Slayer> Hit Mana Leech 50% Hit Stamina Leech 50% SSI 20% Damage Increase 50% (Random Dmg Type) 100% Weapon Damage 15-18 Weapon Speed 3.25 Strength Requirement 45 Two-Handed Weapon Weapon Skill: Swordsmanship Durability 255

Thanks for the feedback @kyronix.

In general, I completely agree with Theo's thoughts, and I've probably said the same thing forever, and your feedback is interesting, because it's the first time I've seen that.

What would actually be interesting, would be to know some of your parameters?

For example, you say about half of the equipment ideas were a no-go, I'd be interested to know what makes them fail - so we can do better at suggestions. Often when I'm making suggestions, I know what I want, and I can honestly go on forever, but I'm never quite sure where your parameters are - so I don't know if I'm over-requesting or under-requesting, or why it would or would not work.

Thanks. 🙂

Fortis said:

I dont think you play the same game...peerless have very good stuff paroxymous crimson hair dye travesty mask....yeah doom need a revamp on many stuff but for the rest you are wrong clean up points there so many dyes and stuff to get...it s clean up point free stuff for junk so what do you want from it

dvvid said:

I was just going to suggest the idea of these obsolete type items be part of recipes for greater versions of themselves or something totally different. I’d like this to include craft able artifacts which largely are also essentially pointless to make. A more powerful version of each of those would be great. 

Maybe some creative ways the recipes are acquired would be really cool too. Wouldn’t have to drop all of these recipes all at once either. A few per patch would be cool enough if there’s other stuff to focus on. Having them part of event loot is cool too. 

dvvid said:

I was just going to suggest the idea of these obsolete type items be part of recipes for greater versions of themselves or something totally different. I’d like this to include craft able artifacts which largely are also essentially pointless to make. A more powerful version of each of those would be great. 

Maybe some creative ways the recipes are acquired would be really cool too. Wouldn’t have to drop all of these recipes all at once either. A few per patch would be cool enough if there’s other stuff to focus on. Having them part of event loot is cool too. 

KHAN said:

@ Kyronix I think a great start would be to add more recipes for  "upgradable" items. Like the gloves of feudal grip, etc... As an example: read a recipe of "majestic leggings of wizardry" (whatever name) take a pair of enchanted kelp woven leggings, add some dark father blood (or something, it doesn't have to be an ingredient from doom) and end up with some leggings that increase to 15 SDI, bump the MR to 4, and perhaps up the resists some. Or add +10 eval. Something like that....

I was just going to suggest the idea of these obsolete type items be part of recipes for greater versions of themselves or something totally different. I’d like this to include craft able artifacts which largely are also essentially pointless to make. A more powerful version of each of those would be great...

Theo said:

Our dev team has limited time.  They need to continue to make an impact on the game to keep people engaged.   

The lowest hanging fruit is to 'update' existing systems.  There are any number of things people just don't do because the rewards are not worth it.  

• Doom (Rewards are weak)
• Collections (Scripters paradise with 800k rewards and turns at like 8-15pts each requiring 60,000 shields to get a mace and shields glasses)
• Peerless (rewards are generally junk besides crimson)
• Marties (old and junk - armor sets aren't worth collecting)
• Bods (rewards in some areas tired and runics have decreased value)
• Imbuing (intensity limit keeps armor from rivaling loot)
• Quests (Low reward quests not worth the effort)
• Heartwood quests (way too grindy only good for recipes and tali's)
• Void Pool (rewards weak for effort required)
• Clean up program (some rewards are old and tired and bad point values like 10k for 'random' SOA)

By simply putting a little bit of attention to these systems - you could get people doing all of these areas of content again breathing interest in the game.    All it would require is changing the mods on some items and artifacts and changing some of the point systems for these.  No new art.  No new dungeons. No new systems - just fix the systems we have. 

Lets take a quick example.  Doom.  

Here is a reward from doom :

Axe of the Heavens

Artifact Rarity 11 Hit Lightning 50% Hit Chance Increase 15% Defense Chance Increase 15% Damage Increase 50% Physical Damage 100% Weapon Damage 15-18 Weapon Speed 3.25 Strength Requirement 45 Two-Handed Weapon Weapon Skill: Swordsmanship Durability 255

This can literally be crafted and imbued.  Its only 4 mods and none are over cap. In fact I can make one better because I could craft it with 100% damage type.  

If you change this axe to look like this <:

Axe of the Heavens

Artifact Rarity 11 Hit Lightning 50% <Random Slayer> Hit Mana Leech 50% Hit Stamina Leech 50% SSI 20% Damage Increase 50% (Random Dmg Type) 100% Weapon Damage 15-18 Weapon Speed 3.25 Strength Requirement 45 Two-Handed Weapon Weapon Skill: Swordsmanship Durability 255

People will come back to doom to try to get one.    THis can't be that hard of an effort to make some simple mods to the item.  Its got to be nothing but a couple of fields in a table.  

There are hundreds of rewards that have fallen behind in today's loot that are near total wothlessness.  Just update these and people will be back doing doom, back doing collections, back hunting marties. You name it.    

The loot change put in a few years back basically killed 80% of the content and thus 80% of the people doing PvM.  IT all gravitated to the roof.  

I'd be more than happy to provide advice on these items and objects one by one if I knew the dev team would take the effort up to enhance.   They don't need to be godly weapons - just something someone might use.   The current axe of the heavens is pure junk. 

Feel free to look at the list of doom arties.  Which one would you ever use?  Brace of health?  Kights Breastplate?
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/items/artifact-collections/artifacts-doom-gauntlet/

popps said:

dvvid said:

I was just going to suggest the idea of these obsolete type items be part of recipes for greater versions of themselves or something totally different. I’d like this to include craft able artifacts which largely are also essentially pointless to make. A more powerful version of each of those would be great. 

Maybe some creative ways the recipes are acquired would be really cool too. Wouldn’t have to drop all of these recipes all at once either. A few per patch would be cool enough if there’s other stuff to focus on. Having them part of event loot is cool too. 

I would like the recipes though, to be obtainable in ways "other" then having to fight.... it makes no sense to me that a Crafter needs to be subject to a Fighter in order to get the recipes that he/she needs to use to make a living in UO.... this only helps or mostly helps those players who have both a crafter and a fighter thus being self sufficient...

Bilbo said:

popps said:

dvvid said:

I was just going to suggest the idea of these obsolete type items be part of recipes for greater versions of themselves or something totally different. I’d like this to include craft able artifacts which largely are also essentially pointless to make. A more powerful version of each of those would be great. 

Maybe some creative ways the recipes are acquired would be really cool too. Wouldn’t have to drop all of these recipes all at once either. A few per patch would be cool enough if there’s other stuff to focus on. Having them part of event loot is cool too. 

I would like the recipes though, to be obtainable in ways "other" then having to fight.... it makes no sense to me that a Crafter needs to be subject to a Fighter in order to get the recipes that he/she needs to use to make a living in UO.... this only helps or mostly helps those players who have both a crafter and a fighter thus being self sufficient...

Its called the barter system.  Do you go get all your own leather/scales, do you dig your own ore/gems/stone, do you cut your own wood, do you gather your own imbuing resources.

keven2002 said:

@ popps - I won't try to explain to you how economics/business/supply&demand/bartering work because I honestly feel like that would be lost on you That said, surely you understand the basics since I'm assuming you go out in the real world and buy things.

Even in the situation you are trying to claim (someone ONLY has a crafter) what you are saying doesn't hold weight.

Let's take feudal grips recipe as an example. I'm only a crafter and cannot go into Doom to get the recipe. Your argument is that "it's not fair that a crafter has to pay for the recipe and can't get it by crafting".

WHY would someone want the recipe to make the gloves in the first place? It can't be because they are going to use them because you said they didn't have a fighter, right? They want to sell them, but why do they want to sell them? Perhaps because they sell for a pretty penny? **More on this later. But ok make sense and brings up the next question. 

HOW is this person, without a fighter, going to get the gloves of nobility AND Dark Father blood? They can't obtain them as a crafter by making them because they don't have a fighter, right? I guess they have to buy them at market price?

Which brings up the crux of the entire argument.

Surely you understand that as a fighter, they have an opportunity cost to get those items for others that want what they can get... It's not worth it to the average person to spend days/weeks working Doom so that they can get the materials to sell to some crafter for pennies on the dollar when they could do something else instead (for more money or pleasure). 

I'm assuming you understand that. So.... circling back to making that pretty penny... this crafter cannot expect to buy these materials which only come from fighting (doesn't include the recipe) for chump change only to turn around and sell the final product for 100000% markup. This might happen once or twice if they get lucky but that is not how the market works; it will quickly normalize when others see the opportunity. 

My own personal experience, last year while waiting for new content I decided to revamp my warriors suit and I wanted the feudal grips (I had a pair of gauntlets sitting in a chest), so I bought the recipe off a vendor. After i saw how much the grips were actually selling for I decided to sell those grips I made instead for a profit. At that point I saw the opportunity and I just started buying the gloves of nobility (since I had the recipe now) and just making the grips and marking them 20-30m over what I paid for the gloves of nobility. I made a good amount doing this and it required 10x less time than ever going to Doom. Even though I hadn't step foot into Doom for a split second (ie didn't use a fighter), I was able to buy the recipe & the materials and still came out on top after making a handful of sets AND was able to keep a pair myself for essentially no cost at that point.

To bring this thing full circle, the entire point here is that when we are talking about recipes that require materials acquired from fighting, I don't think you have a valid argument whining about obtaining the recipes from fighting by saying "not all people have fighters" (aside from the fact that your claim is pretty inaccurate) because crafters will still have the ability to buy the recipes for X price and make back that money by doing what a pure crafter does... making gear to sell. You don't have a leg to stand on trying to claim crafters are some type of victim by making the recipes (to create artifacts using artifacts) attainable by fighting. So please just stop already.

###Sorry all for the novel but to break it down I think it was needed.

Pawain said:

The above is why we would be better served with a potion to add a property to a weapon.

Bane would be nice.

Come up with other propertys in potion form that would make our crafted weapon a little better.
Make them only work against Mobs, or also on Reds hehe

Seth said:

Pawain said:

The above is why we would be better served with a potion to add a property to a weapon.

Bane would be nice.

Come up with other propertys in potion form that would make our crafted weapon a little better.
Make them only work against Mobs, or also on Reds hehe

If the new specials like bane and bone breaker are in potion form, then there is no need for weapon in loot... This is not an easy revamp, need more ideas from players. I know what weapon to use in current system but how to make the 99% remaining junks useful is a tough question. If it boils down to just those few specs, then we do not need so many.

Galluccio said:

There's a lot of people in this game who are going after cutting edge gear and not a lot of people who are just starting out doing basic content.  Also, Ultima Online was more of a RPG stand alone game.  People didn't really play the game just to get the best gear.  There were more elements to the game than just the gear.   There was an actual story line and objectives which had nothing to do with cutting edge loot.  

Galluccio said:

There's a lot of people in this game who are going after cutting edge gear and not a lot of people who are just starting out doing basic content.  Also, Ultima Online was more of a RPG stand alone game.  People didn't really play the game just to get the best gear.  There were more elements to the game than just the gear.   There was an actual story line and objectives which had nothing to do with cutting edge loot.  

Until they put properties on items.

If you put properties on items that enhance performance and have maximum caps, and you have competitive elements such as pvp, it stands to reason players must go for cutting edge.

I can understand players not playing in those areas, not being so bothered about gear. If you play in competitive areas, it's a must have.

keven2002 said:

@ Kyronix - Are you saying it is easier / less work to simply create a new item? I'd assume the easiest of this would be via the treasures of / black market menu gumps?

**After reading this it sounds like I'm being a smart@ $$ but it's a serious question. If it's easier to make a brand new item then we should be suggesting those type items instead of recipe type items.

@kyronix ,

Agreeing with Kevin here, I think I said it before, we are not quite understanding where you are coming from.

Give us the parameters of what is workable 🙂

You could almost just wipe all current Doom rewards, or Collection rewards, or Champ Spawn rewards, or VvV rewards, or certain sets of rewards, and just put in new ones, does that work ?

I'm understanding that slightly tweaking something existing to improve it is hard, I'm understanding that using current stuff into new crafting recipes is hard - and tbh, I often find that one confusing myself.

What is the easiest way for you guys to get improved loot into the game, considering these are Artifacts, and should feel worthwhile to players.

I did like one of the suggestions - collect X amount of say Mondain Legacy artifacts, hand them in, for something bigger? Like the old Tokuno system.

keven2002 said:

@ Kyronix - Are you saying it is easier / less work to simply create a new item? I'd assume the easiest of this would be via the treasures of / black market menu gumps?

**After reading this it sounds like I'm being a smart@ $$ but it's a serious question. If it's easier to make a brand new item then we should be suggesting those type items instead of recipe type items.

@ kyronix ,

Give us the parameters of what is workable 🙂

True about Doom, I was just using an example.

And re Crafting, of course I'm there for improvements to Crafting, but on the assumption that takes an entire publish, this thread was about quick wins.

I was exploring that, I understand Kyronix's response that they are not quick wins, but I don't fully understand.

Whilst I get the point that there will always be some systems left behind, we do have an extraordinary amount of content that could be updated - IF there were any quick wins there.

JohnKnighthawke said:

Basically, every time we have a set of possible rewards, there always are some rewards that either are niche items or flat-out throwaways. Going back to the very start.

Kyronix said:

Now if we had a blank canvass like a fresh shard we could....oh wait! We will!  One of the primary goals of New Legacy will allow us the blank canvass that is required to accomplish a much more balanced relationship between looted and crafted gear.

Kyronix said:

Then we get accused of "not playing the game" because, obviously, if we did, we would definitely put that particular piece of equipment in.  What is often lost is we have to look beyond the simple desires of the player and consider a host of other factors that are often overlooked.

Brilliant @Kyronix - loved it, got it 🙂

Ok - give us lots of Dynamic events then please ! I'm up for them, I do enjoy them.

And yes, I do completely get your logic re New Legacy - I often cannot see any other way myself, and I completely get all the advantages it will give you.

Thanks very much for a very cool response.

Kyronix said:

"My point is - fix old things with less coding than adding new things.  I really think our dev time is being misspent."

@ Theo - this is a false assumption.  Fixing old things, almost always, requires more effort than adding new things.  

Kyronix said:

@ The_Higgs_1 we would have to build in some functionality for the vendor to accept payment from other than artifacts, definitely possible and something I've thought about doing.

Kyronix said:

"My point is - fix old things with less coding than adding new things.  I really think our dev time is being misspent."

@ Theo - this is a false assumption.  Fixing old things, almost always, requires more effort than adding new things.  

Kyronix said:

@ The_Higgs_1 we would have to build in some functionality for the vendor to accept payment from other than artifacts, definitely possible and something I've thought about doing.

@ Pawain - potionized imbuing is something we've talked about, it gets messy when you start talking about validations but it's worth more discussion I think.

popps said:

Kyronix said:

@ The_Higgs_1 we would have to build in some functionality for the vendor to accept payment from other than artifacts, definitely possible and something I've thought about doing.

@ Pawain - potionized imbuing is something we've talked about, it gets messy when you start talking about validations but it's worth more discussion I think.

@ Kyronix 

One thing that I would like to see more on the old, existing Shards, is the spawn of items as Loot on minor Monsters, particularly jewels, whereas they spawn with less properties (that is, imbuable), like 2 or 3, but with 2 maxed out and chances for a third overcapped....

Why this ?

Because, so far, killing lower Monsters is a useless and unproductive activity, usually only players who are training up skills hunt them...

If, instead, these Lower Monsters were to be able to spawn items with only a couple of properties or 3 at most BUT, with them maxed out and even one overcapped, they would be, where the properties where to match among them, great items for imbuing purposes to save up on resources...

For example, let's take a ring or bracelet.... this change, in my view, should make it possible to see as Loot on minor Monsters, more and more rings and bracelets be able to spawn with Faster Casting 1 and Faster Cast Recovery 3 (would save up 20 Essences to the imbuer...) with a chance to see one of these 2 even overcapped (i.e. FC 2 or FCR 4...) or, if not with either FC or FCR overcapped, with a 3rd property like for example Spell Damage Increase maxed out as well or with a chance to come overcapped at 18 ......

Bottom line is, rather then having always items showing up as Loot that have too many properties, often unmatched, and which cannot be imbued, make it possible for items to spawn on Lesser Monsters, thus giving to new and returning players an opportunity for good sellers, that can be imbued and which would save up in imbuing mats because with some properties on them already maxed out or, perhaps, with 1 even overcapped...

The logic being, "less" properties on the item but those few, maxed out and with a chance for one even overcapped and, maintaining the item as imbuable....

What do you think ?

popps said:

I would like the recipes though, to be obtainable in ways "other" then having to fight.... it makes no sense to me that a Crafter needs to be subject to a Fighter in order to get the recipes that he/she needs to use to make a living in UO.... this only helps or mostly helps those players who have both a crafter and a fighter thus being self sufficient...

keven2002 said:

@ popps - What you are asking for already exists. That is where the 10SSI / 35Dmg Inc type jewels come from. You have to find the mob and the luck sweet spot (aka actually play the game).

keven2002 said:

Once again you are being told that it's possible and working fine and you choose not to accept the answer and post again about it. I've gotten plenty of "usable" items from lower level mobs such as 1/3 + 18SDI from things like a lich. It depends on luck + RNG. 

Accept the facts or don't but stop asking Devs to give attention in a place where it isn't needed just because you don't feel like figuring it out. Aka stop trolling and actually play the game.

McDougle said:

YOU think it is unreasonable everyone else thinks it's fine....

popps said:

McDougle said:

YOU think it is unreasonable everyone else thinks it's fine....

Maybe it is because most players just go with uber Legendary Artifact looted items with 14+ properties rather then using imbued ones (saved the known weapons/Luck exception...) ?

Just maybe ?

dvvid said:

I don’t think the point of that jewelry is for imbuing. Imbuing just happens to be something you can do with it. Its just loot like any other loot table. 

popps said:

When was the last time that someone, for example, remembers getting a Ring or Bracelet with only FC1 and FCR 3 or maybe one of this properties overcapped (FC 2 OR FCR 4) ?

Or maybe one with FC1 FCR3 and SDI 18 ?

Seth said:

For para 2, while I do not agree with popps that clean items should come from farming low end monsters (like lizardman or orcs), but I find that they are harder to come by than named arties...

E.g. I know where I can get Cameos and I have gotten a few, but I have yet to see any +10 SSI pure jewel from any monsters in my entire life. The only sure place to get them is from VS monster - and cost 20 million each.

Samael said:

popps said:

When was the last time that someone, for example, remembers getting a Ring or Bracelet with only FC1 and FCR 3 or maybe one of this properties overcapped (FC 2 OR FCR 4) ?

Or maybe one with FC1 FCR3 and SDI 18 ?

I get 1/2 clean 2 mods FCR3 or SSI 10 jewels for hour when I farm them. And imho is WAY too much, in fact, they drastically dropped in price lately. The forums are full of tips to get those too.

Kyronix said:

"1) Update Cleanup Rewards - Exchange existing junk artifacts for better rewards"

@ Seth please elaborate.  "Better rewards" is too broad of a request to turn into actionable feedback.  Keep in mind implementation is only *part* of the pipeline...we also have to concept, design, implement, test, feedback, balance etc.  The more information we have to work with up front the easier all those steps become later on 🙂

Hi @kyronix,

That was a suggestion I've also made - previously in this thread I think I said gather a lot of Mondain Legacy artifacts, or Champ spawn artifacts even, use them as hand-ins for bigger and better.

I did also ask - what are your parameters in terms of asking for too overpowered, or even underpowered, I get you don't want to creep up too much.

But imo - there are so many options in terms of item balance - I feel I can get much better item balance, and stick within certain parameters (if I know what they are). And I really can go on forever, it's just I don't want to, because if I am starting off on the wrong track, then it's a waste of time for all of us.

But ok, I get it maybe too hard for you to give your parameters or limits on items, I may go off and design anyway lol 🙂 See you soon!

Samael said:

Rotting corpses to name one ... just find your luck "sweet spot", not too much, not zero. if you use Pinco you can set it to highlight items with those specs so you don't have to loose time checking all the rings when you loot.

Petra_Fyde said:

The items that annoy me are the ones where 'damage increase' is both sdi and di.  I don't really want both on the same item. Does anyone else?

@ Seth Which clean-up rewards would you class as 'junk' and remove? What would you put in their place?

.... does your personal experience tell you that wearing "some" Luck may reach such a particular goal ?

Petra_Fyde said:

The items that annoy me are the ones where 'damage increase' is both sdi and di.  I don't really want both on the same item. Does anyone else?

@ Seth Which clean-up rewards would you class as 'junk' and remove? What would you put in their place?

Seth said:

Are there any other places where we can still get Blackthorn artifacts? If not, then it would be a "low" hanging fruit to simply transfer some of those into the cleanup reward list.

This is the easiest solution, no need to crack our brains so that any other new reward ideas can go to events, Legacy shard, Vet rewards, High Seas, etc etc.

One thing that need effort is to assign more cleanup points according to level of difficulty for each artifacts from the various places (Classic, Doom, Abyss, Peerless, High Seas, SG, etc etc). I have several chests of junk artifacts - not sure what to do with them.

Pawain said:

Umm Blackthorns captains. I got over 100 arties 2 nights ago doing two cities with a group.

Pawain said:

They destroy any template fast. They are made for a group. They are just like shrine battles. I take GM skilled warrior toons to those. 

Pawain said:

If you fight them in a group you get 1 to 3 arties per Captain.  Don't hit the Lighthouse till you have to and you can get 40 or more in a city spawn per player.

Single player gets 1 per capt.

Seth said:

Pawain said:

If you fight them in a group you get 1 to 3 arties per Captain.  Don't hit the Lighthouse till you have to and you can get 40 or more in a city spawn per player.

Single player gets 1 per capt.

Wow, there is reason to gather an army for this then. OK thanks!

As you are currently asking, and as my 12 yr old made this for fun 2 days ago, yes, there is an absolute reason to gather an army for this. In 3 hours, our guild got about 700 minax arties, myself and my 2 boys got 250, which meant we were able to equip both gargs with crimsons {1 boy left early, and guild didn't show up with full team until later in - but the drop rate is solid}.

In my mind, Blackthorns is one of the best contents for actually rewarding effort and group play. It's not random. For example, I've never had a Cameo, or Slither drop. Yesterday 1 of my guildies got 2 Cameo's...! {I hate RNG, RNG hates me...}

Enjoy the vid. 🙂

Seth said:

Pawain said:

They destroy any template fast. They are made for a group. They are just like shrine battles. I take GM skilled warrior toons to those. 

@ Pawain
I checked the Blackthorn Artifacts in the wiki, last update did not mention about the new captains.

Are the rewards from the captains the usual red blackthorn drops that are used for exchanging the major arties? Is it a sure drop for killing a captain? Even 1v1 is very hard to kill using a sampire. It takes quite some time just to get one minor item.

Seth said:

@ Mariah

Thanks! I think its because I have never done these before. The first time I fight them was at the shrine battle. 

@ Cookie 

Nice video! I like the gargoyle throwers, and now I am thinking of making one.

🙂

I made the Garg Parry Throwers for my boys to get into the game, they are rock solid, good damage from close and ranged, they actually like using boomerangs for the up close speed ( @kyronix - more Slayer boomerangs please 🙂  ), they don't mind taking damage, basically the characters are very versatile, can tank, do damage, do Champion spawns, survive a bit of pvp, I've done Deceit and Ice events on them, Blackthorns, Exodus, they are just really relaxing to play for all basic grinding. I had to go and make one myself I enjoyed them so much, I was lucky on their ones, I managed to get the SSI shoulders,  Boots of Escaping and First Aid Belt ! etc from the events - we also farmed Stygian for Berserkers Breastplate, and Clean-up points for Soldiers Medal, and got Storm Callers, so they are very well equipped. And now they've got Blackthorns Crimsons! The rest of the gear was crafted by a guildy in Verite Plate going for Stamina.

Up until then, I was used to using long ranged chivalry Garg throwers, but I changed the mold for these - took Chiv off, and put Parry on, and they are a lot of fun, the close range ability and speed of weapon make them great to play.

Cookie said:

🙂

I made the Garg Parry Throwers for my boys to get into the game, they are rock solid, good damage from close and ranged, they actually like using boomerangs for the up close speed ( @ kyronix - more Slayer boomerangs please 🙂  ), they don't mind taking damage, basically the characters are very versatile, can tank, do damage, do Champion spawns, survive a bit of pvp, I've done Deceit and Ice events on them, Blackthorns, Exodus, they are just really relaxing to play for all basic grinding. I had to go and make one myself I enjoyed them so much, I was lucky on their ones, I managed to get the SSI shoulders,  Boots of Escaping and First Aid Belt ! etc from the events - we also farmed Stygian for Berserkers Breastplate, and Clean-up points for Soldiers Medal, and got Storm Callers, so they are very well equipped. And now they've got Blackthorns Crimsons! The rest of the gear was crafted by a guildy in Verite Plate going for Stamina.

Up until then, I was used to using long ranged chivalry Garg throwers, but I changed the mold for these - took Chiv off, and put Parry on, and they are a lot of fun, the close range ability and speed of weapon make them great to play.

Seth said:

And there is no need to worry about keeping arrows.

I don't think its easy to get good gear for Gargoyles, but will add this to my to do list for a Garg Parry Thrower.

@ Theo sorry for hijacking this thread 😂

No arrows, no mounts (and at a time where Vet Rewards are being deleted rapidly at IDOCS, Ethereal mounts are more and more scarce and expensive), yes, again why I was using these for new players, they also came up through EJ accounts to fully subscribed for all the detractors of EJ accounts.

My guildmates with archers burn through so many trillions of arrows it is unbelievable, especially on the huge event grinds. But, I think archers have upper end game advantages, more weapons, more specials, stronger pvp abilities, but I like the simplicity of these. But I'd still like a Boomerang Slayer set, say like Blackthorns Kryss set. Something more on the weapon front for Gargs.

We have not completely derailed the thread, and I'm always giving them more ideas for stuff we could use. 🙂

From what I'm getting from Kyronix's main response though, is we are best off trying to get new content within the Dynamic events, and I'm ok with that.

Cookie said:

Seth said:

And there is no need to worry about keeping arrows.

I don't think its easy to get good gear for Gargoyles, but will add this to my to do list for a Garg Parry Thrower.

@ Theo sorry for hijacking this thread 😂

No arrows, no mounts (and at a time where Vet Rewards are being deleted rapidly at IDOCS, Ethereal mounts are more and more scarce and expensive), yes, again why I was using these for new players, they also came up through EJ accounts to fully subscribed for all the detractors of EJ accounts.

My guildmates with archers burn through so many trillions of arrows it is unbelievable, especially on the huge event grinds. But, I think archers have upper end game advantages, more weapons, more specials, stronger pvp abilities, but I like the simplicity of these. But I'd still like a Boomerang Slayer set, say like Blackthorns Kryss set. Something more on the weapon front for Gargs.

We have not completely derailed the thread, and I'm always giving them more ideas for stuff we could use. 🙂

From what I'm getting from Kyronix's main response though, is we are best off trying to get new content within the Dynamic events, and I'm ok with that.

McDougle said:

@ Cookie i think you explained before but if you run parry on your thrower they can use shields without the penalty to throwing?

Correct, I had to ask a lot of questions, and in fact gamble on the entire template and build it to test it, before I knew if it worked or not.

At 0 Parry, you effectively have an Infinite penalty to Throwing if you equip a shield, this is what most players notice, and comment back on, and it puts all players off, and they think it is an impossibility.

At 120 Parry, you take a 10% (Is what I was finally told by someone), HCI penalty to Throwing. I didn't know how this would feel, or if it would be playable, but I went for it, and in the end, was actually really pleased with how it worked.

The 10% is not a statistic I have been able to find written down anywhere, no-one was able to answer me, until 1 player came along and said "it's clearly this, and everyone knows this" and I was thinking, well I don't know anyone who ever knew this, and I've never found it written down, the mechanics of how this works.

But it is working for me, is all I can say, and with faster boomerangs, it is very cool

Cookie said:

McDougle said:

@ Cookie i think you explained before but if you run parry on your thrower they can use shields without the penalty to throwing?

Correct, I had to ask a lot of questions, and in fact gamble on the entire template and build it to test it, before I knew if it worked or not.

At 0 Parry, you effectively have an Infinite penalty to Throwing if you equip a shield, this is what most players notice, and comment back on, and it puts all players off, and they think it is an impossibility.

At 120 Parry, you take a 10% (Is what I was finally told by someone), HCI penalty to Throwing. I didn't know how this would feel, or if it would be playable, but I went for it, and in the end, was actually really pleased with how it worked.

The 10% is not a statistic I have been able to find written down anywhere, no-one was able to answer me, until 1 player came along and said "it's clearly this, and everyone knows this" and I was thinking, well I don't know anyone who ever knew this, and I've never found it written down, the mechanics of how this works.

But it is working for me, is all I can say, and with faster boomerangs, it is very cool

dvvid said:

I like this idea ^

McDougle said:

pet reset too !

@ Kyronix

One item to consider for new reward is specification eraser.

Same function as whetstone, but this can allow us to remove one spec on an existing item.

I am thinking of those expensive imbued items that was done wrong, obsoleted due to new changes, etc.

So those 99% useless artifacts can be used in exchange for functional items such as this. Does not have to be a new artifact that need to consider balancing.

Just a suggestion.