Calling all Ultima players to ask the Dev's to change house IDOC rules

There are two main scripters getting all the 18 x 18's houses , Keeps and Castles in the game. These two have single handedly also raised the cost of housing to outrageous amounts of gold. The current way to determine if a house can be placed, after an IDOC, is by casting recall, and if you can recall you can place a house. This method makes it very easy for scripters to write code that detects this faster than other players and these two scripters get ALL the nice housing spots every single time. I propose that the timer be truly random after a house falls with no methods to determine if a house can be placed, so that it cannot be scripted by these two players.

Sounds like an Atlantic problem.  A keep on LS fell last night.  I stayed and hit barrels till they went poof.  Only 1 guy was there when I left, and he got the keep.

I dont think making it random will benefit non scripting players.

I should clarify that this is a HUGE Atlantic problem. An 18 x 18 on Atlantic is 400-500 million gold.

sadly there is no point complaining any more on Idocs.

Heres why......

1. The Devs don't care
2. This post is about to be bombarded by the accused cheaters and they will troll relentlessly until it get locked, Just wait.......
3. They will troll about game mechanics and how no one else understands blah blah blah
4. You will be affecting RMT income and that wont do at all

I proposed a SA house lottery ticket idea and it fellow deaf ears.  My idea was this,  when the house goes idoc you click the sign, A blessed ticket goes into your pack,1 ticket master acct. when the house falls the plot open up and a signpost is placed, you double click your ticket then the sign. If you are chosen, its yours to do with as you wish, move in or sell etc, up to you.

Just like when SA came out and the 2 houses were awarded.

But the housing market sharks will not like this and as I said, anything that affects the very profitable life of the real estate exploiters (supposedly) and they will troll and cry until Petra locks this thread.

The Dev's also dont like problems, just pompom wavers, so this will drop out very quickly

There is a thread in one of the Stratics trade forums where 15 houses are up for sale. Is that one of the suspects?

That seller looks to just have crappy plot that no idoliser would place and has ramped up the prices....hence to sales...

The 18x18 and keep and castles are what the real crooks are after and use questionable tactics to get them.  You are not allowed to challenge it here at all. you get warned, deleted posts and they carry on as usual. I do not believe for one minute the Dev's are unaware. They just can't or won't do anything about it.

Pawain said:

Sounds like an Atlantic problem.  A keep on LS fell last night.  I stayed and hit barrels till they went poof.  Only 1 guy was there when I left, and he got the keep.

I dont think making it random will benefit non scripting players.

Spot on @Pawain, anything they do to make it hard for scripters makes it harder for non scripters.  best thing to do is try to get items/place and not let it bother you when you don't and when you do happen to get a spot, ignore the people that will accuse you of scripting and enjoy the win.

They already deleted this post https://forum.uo.com/discussion/8189/should-the-house-placement-timer-on-an-idoc-be-truly-random-so-that-it-cannot-be-scripted#latest, which leads me to believe they are or know the scripters.

You had 3 threads on the same topic. One was removed as Spam.

we all said it this summer big house should go to raffle system thats it

Thank you for clarifying why you deleted my post, I retract my previous post.

Tjalle said:

There is a thread in one of the Stratics trade forums where 15 houses are up for sale. Is that one of the suspects?

lol, this is so funny!
You have crafters and so many more as Profession, you can be a realtor as well and buy every single house and resell, so ofc the realtors will have many many houses for sale, the person that post that on stratics is just 1 of the many available. so what is wrong on buy and resell for profit?
If people are buying, is because there is a market!

i will say NO, a big NO to this.
First you all complain about the Idocs and they fixed and made worst, 1/2 of the items and resources get deleted and because of that the prices went sky high. Leave as it is, no more changes.

I sell a lot of houses all the time, I can find many many areas open to place a house, Atlantic included, I also buy houses from the people placing them and reselling as well, nothing wrong with that way of making money. you can buy a house in the morning and sell for double in the afternoon.

You are complaining with no facts or proof at all, the last 3 keeps and castle that went Idoc on atlantic was in felucca and a lot of people were there and getting killed, so there were no scripters alive. just because you dont know how to place, or lost to someone else. dont make your statements true.

@JackFlashUk
"I proposed a SA house lottery ticket idea and it fellow deaf ears.  My idea was this,  when the house goes idoc you click the sign, A blessed ticket goes into your pack,1 ticket master acct. when the house falls the plot open up and a signpost is placed, you double click your ticket then the sign. If you are chosen, its yours to do with as you wish, move in or sell etc, up to you."

worst idea ever, be careful what you wish for. just a simple example, I am one that have way more than 100 accounts myself and just like me, there is a lot of people that also have more than me.

They will troll about game mechanics and how no one else understands blah blah blah

yes, because people like you have no idea how the game work.
There was a post on stratics 2 days ago about someone accusing someone of cheating and exploiting the game, bc his house was private and had vendors. Clearly people have no idea on how to do that.
also, I can place 3 or more houses on 1 single account, do you know how?  NO, because you have no clue about game mechanics.

King and his 7 posts.  Let me tell you something about my idocer,  I have attended over 1500 idocs in a span of 10 years. I have seen many scripting crews come and go, many exploits exposed so I DO know what I am talking about thanks.

the ticket idea worked great fir SA houses when the Abyss opened,  it’s to worst idea ever simply because YOU can only have 1 ticket per master Acct 

Would you happen to be the king who owns an RMT site by chance?  And another “king” forum Acct?  

I agree that it is a problem when a small handful of scripters are constantly getting the house spots before anyone else can place.  Maybe make it so each account can only place property once per month.  Then these scripters will need to pay additional monthly subs to keep up with all the idocs.  It wont solve the problem completely but it sure as hell will hurt their bottom line.  

I’ll also agree that changing the no recall timer and the house placement timer to be independent of each other could be a possible solution since their script probably relies on this.  Then set house placement tool to 5x attempts per 2min or something like that. 

Thanks for the positive feedback, Tabin

funny that the OP own a website that is spamming 24/7 on gen chat. He is probably mad bc he can get a house to post for sale for real money on his site.
he is using a bot right now on gen chat to promote this post, spamming at the same time as the 3rd part rmt seller, funny how that work!

KeithofNonsense said:

funny that the OP own a website that is spamming 24/7 on gen chat. He is probably mad bc he can get a house to post for sale for real money on his site.
he is using a bot right now on gen chat to promote this post, spamming at the same time as the 3rd part rmt seller, funny how that work!

is this fact or speculation? 

Speculation, I'm not running a bot or website, nor am I spamming, tho I am trying to bring attention to the subject.

funny that the guy spamming on gen chat on atl, is using a bot.
same as uopxxxx guy and right after comes rivXX posting this post. and you are using a brand new account @Thorakh ; , very very funny.  so , stop crying and go play the game

Raffle system is a good idea Seth, thanks for the feedback.

I agree with a raffle system as well.  I was at a castle collapse yesterday on Atlantic. As soon as the housing placement became available 4 or 5 houses sprang up instantly and at the same time.  No chance for a legit player to place. 

You don't stand a chance against these fast scripters, that's for sure. That's why we need the Dev's to remove the recall detection and make the scripts useless and have a truly random house placement timer.

1st you all complain about the Idocs, than the "secret tile" that was never there, now you complain about this and that, all that because you cant place anything, may as well stop Idocs all together? is that what you want?  because if they do raffle system, you will loose same way and you will cry again and again and again.

AND HERE THEY ARE, plenty of posters here with less than 10 posts, these veterans? where have they been?   oh yes, as stated they will flood in, troll to get the post locked, then business as usual.  Any idea that affects RMT income will be shot down here...........

Keep going, lets get these houses on a lottery system ,I ticket per MASTER ACCT.   no scripts, no 100 acct real estate market monopolisers  just a fair system for ALL

Dont let them troll this thread or get it closed

JackFlashUk said:

AND HERE THEY ARE, plenty of posters here with less than 10 posts, these veterans? where have they been?   oh yes, as stated they will flood in, troll to get the post locked, then business as usual.  Any idea that affects RMT income will be shot down here...........

Keep going, lets get these houses on a lottery system ,I ticket per MASTER ACCT.   no scripts, no 100 acct real estate market monopolisers  just a fair system for ALL

Dont let them troll this thread or get it closed

well, you really can't stop them from trolling, but you might be able to keep it from getting closed, maybe.

A raffle is defeated by having multiple accounts. 
A limit to the number of houses per master account is defeated by having multiple master accounts.
A limit to the number of master accounts per credit card is defeated by using multiple virtual credit cards.

TimSt said:

A raffle is defeated by having multiple accounts. 
A limit to the number of houses per master account is defeated by having multiple master accounts.
A limit to the number of master accounts per credit card is defeated by using multiple virtual credit cards.

I can agree on the distortion to the Raffle concept coming fron the First point, but I don't see the issues in the Second & Third ones, considering that we are speking in any case of full paid Accounts...

The Raffle System will never work, how many of you got one of those FREE Castles and how many of them are still around.  The raffle to be fair will have to include all paying accounts and the player that gets it might not even play on the shard that gets the house just like the free Castles.  People were posting on stratics trying to sell them but the catch was you had to take possession of the Castle with the account that won it so you were forced to open an account just to hold your old house so you didn't lose it so a lot of the Castles were not claimed, not to mention those accounts that auto pay and the account owner was on a break from UO and had no idea they won one.

Bilbo said:

The Raffle System will never work, how many of you got one of those FREE Castles and how many of them are still around.  The raffle to be fair will have to include all paying accounts and the player that gets it might not even play on the shard that gets the house just like the free Castles.  People were posting on stratics trying to sell them but the catch was you had to take possession of the Castle with the account that won it so you were forced to open an account just to hold your old house so you didn't lose it so a lot of the Castles were not claimed, not to mention those accounts that auto pay and the account owner was on a break from UO and had no idea they won one.

Yup. On some Low Pop Shards both the Malas & the Marbe Island Castles are long gone. The MI ones were re-placeable and so some of them have been replaced, the Malas ones, no, FWIK...

Raffle will never work on your way. I probably have over 100 different MASTER account as you say. some people just need to learn how to play the game and how the game mechanic works.

KeithofNonsense said:

Raffle will never work on your way. I probably have over 100 different MASTER account as you say. some people just need to learn how to play the game and how the game mechanic works.

you might have over 100 different master accts, but how many PAID SUBSCRIBED accts do you have running

EJ banned from placing so its just what You pay for.   5? 6?  thats better odds than trying to beat scripting right now.

 If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 🙂

so a lottery system like the SA houses is a much fairer way to allocate housing than what Is happening right now. 

I don't have many posts, tho I'm a vet from 1997, we really need IDOC change so these scripters don't win, so I came to the forums.

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

you forgot to quote my smily face, I was not being offensive or confrontational. However I am stunned 100 paid accts. wow

must be using game gold for time codes surely? otherwise you alone must be keeping the game afloat finacially!

I don't know how to fix it, but any hints for placing would be appreciated. I've missed out on the last few on Atlantic as I'm looking to upgrade the size of my house. 

TimSt said:

A raffle is defeated by having multiple accounts. 
A limit to the number of houses per master account is defeated by having multiple master accounts.
A limit to the number of master accounts per credit card is defeated by using multiple virtual credit cards.

This is how any lottery system works. If you have the money to buy so many tickets to increase the odds of winning, good for you. It is fair.

I had 4 paid accounts bidding for SA house and still lost to someone who I am sure doesn't have 4 paid accounts like me. I am OK with this.

King said:

also, I can place 3 or more houses on 1 single account, do you know how?  NO, because you have no clue about game mechanics.

Bravo, you’ve openly told everyone your an exploiter. Even better, you reminded me of an exploit I’d meant to report but had completely forgotten about since I took my break from UO a couple years ago.

I log in these forums once a month or so just to keep in touch even tho I’ve not played my accounts in over 2 years (yes, I have always kept paying every month even when I take my breaks).

I just wanted to thank you for reminding me about that exploit I’d heard of several years ago & forgot to report b/c I stopped playing. I’ll get that email off to our Lady M asap. 

Thanks and well done bro !

PS @Mesanna or @Kyronix or any of the team want know more just hmu here in a PM and I’ll get back asap.

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

$12x100 is $1,200. just sayin . . .

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

The "the 90 day renew game" is nor an exploit nor a violation of any TOS point. It is simply a way, in total respect of every UO Rules, to manage ones Accounts as one seems fit.

So complicated... lol.

The question is how to fairly award a falling house in uo. A lottery system based on paid account make sense....at least until the dev can deal with the exploits, then it can revert to the old click and place method. 

Just focus on a better solution if you have any. How on earth the discussion deviated to talk about how many accounts one can pay...

If anyone is so rich he can probably sponsor one whole shard and all the houses are his... lol. 

Seth said:

So complicated... lol.

The question is how to fairly award a falling house in uo. A lottery system based on paid account make sense....at least until the dev can deal with the exploits, then it can revert to the old click and place method. 

Just focus on a better solution if you have any. How on earth the discussion deviated to talk about how many accounts one can pay...

If anyone is so rich he can probably sponsor one whole shard and all the houses are his... lol. 

One of the worst kept "dirty secrets" (here in Italy we would say "Pulcinella's Secret" 😂 ) is that on many Shards so it is... 🙂

Ivenor said:

Seth said:

So complicated... lol.

The question is how to fairly award a falling house in uo. A lottery system based on paid account make sense....at least until the dev can deal with the exploits, then it can revert to the old click and place method. 

Just focus on a better solution if you have any. How on earth the discussion deviated to talk about how many accounts one can pay...

If anyone is so rich he can probably sponsor one whole shard and all the houses are his... lol. 

One of the worst kept "dirty secrets" (here in Italy we would say "Pulcinella's Secret" 😂 ) is that on many Shards so it is... 🙂

Wow... Pulcinella's Secret - learn something new today 🙂

Seth said:

Ivenor said:

Seth said:

So complicated... lol.

The question is how to fairly award a falling house in uo. A lottery system based on paid account make sense....at least until the dev can deal with the exploits, then it can revert to the old click and place method. 

Just focus on a better solution if you have any. How on earth the discussion deviated to talk about how many accounts one can pay...

If anyone is so rich he can probably sponsor one whole shard and all the houses are his... lol. 

One of the worst kept "dirty secrets" (here in Italy we would say "Pulcinella's Secret" 😂 ) is that on many Shards so it is... 🙂

Wow... Pulcinella's Secret - learn something new today 🙂

It's the equivalent of the English "Open Secret" locution, but with roots in Art Comedy & Goldoni's work: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segreto_di_Pulcinella
🙂

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

$12x100 is $1,200. just sayin . . .

I took into account that each account used 6 mo renewals so that would be &120.00 a year per account.

Ivenor said:

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

The "the 90 day renew game" is nor an exploit nor a violation of any TOS point. It is simply a way, in total respect of every UO Rules, to manage ones Accounts as one seems fit.

EXCUSE ME  Did I say it was an exploit or against the rules to do 90 days NO I DID NOT so stop trying to stir shit where there is none.

Bilbo said:

Ivenor said:

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

The "the 90 day renew game" is nor an exploit nor a violation of any TOS point. It is simply a way, in total respect of every UO Rules, to manage ones Accounts as one seems fit.

EXCUSE ME  Did I say it was an exploit or against the rules to do 90 days NO I DID NOT so stop trying to stir shit where there is none.

Apologies if you took offense: I wasn't attacking you personally, but the de facto implicit stigmatizations of Players that manage in that way their Accounts.

Bilbo said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

$12x100 is $1,200. just sayin . . .

I took into account that each account used 6 mo renewals so that would be &120.00 a year per account.

I realized what you meant like 10 seconds after i couldn't edit the post. my apologies  *swears off early morning posting*

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Bilbo said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

$12x100 is $1,200. just sayin . . .

I took into account that each account used 6 mo renewals so that would be &120.00 a year per account.

I realized what you meant like 10 seconds after i couldn't edit the post. my apologies  *swears off early morning posting*

Yea I am hell with out my morning joe

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Bilbo said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Bilbo said:

KeithofNonsense said:

If you have 100 paid accounts running right now then you need to go get help 

I am not the only one with 100+ PAID accounts. There is quite few people with more, we all know that Hitomi own 180 houses on atlantic alone. so yes, you have no idea what you talking about, as usual.

And how many of those accounts play the 90 day renew game.  So you are trying to get me and others to believe that you pay $12,000 to EA for all of your 100 accounts, I think not

$12x100 is $1,200. just sayin . . .

I took into account that each account used 6 mo renewals so that would be &120.00 a year per account.

I realized what you meant like 10 seconds after i couldn't edit the post. my apologies  *swears off early morning posting*

And with this we can officially declare today the "Apologize to Bilbo Day"... 😂

A ton of players I talk to in my guild or in gen chat say 'Yea scripters gotta, go', 'Something needs to be done', etc etc, but none of them are coming to the forums to express their opinions

Yea, I guess the only fair way to do this and get rid of scripters once and for all is to have a raffle system in place. If you side with the scripters, keep the current rules or change it to be fair for all and have a raffle system in place.