Now that we've gotten a 3rd client with all the bells and whistles players have been asking for....

... can we ban users that log in with the unapproved 3rd party clients?

Allow any client to log in and go through the authorization, but, before they're able to select a server there is a check to ensure they're on an official or sanctioned client. If not? Have their accounts self-report and disconnect before the login server sends them a list of servers. Automatically send an email and follow the usual warning, 24h, 48h, 72h bans. 

Everyone got what they wanted with the CUO client, it's feature packed.
Surely no one that claimed they just wanted higher FPS, higher reso, and QOL features were lying to justify their abuse of the constellation client right... right??

Time to do it @Kyronix !

I agree with this!

We need to migrate all current cc users to web client shut down cc fix ec and let third party take care of web client 

That's a good idea also Grim

Grimbeard said:

We need to migrate all current cc users to web client shut down cc fix ec and let third party take care of web client 

What good does that do, killing the CC? Sorry, I'm lost and I can't endorse that, as someone who exclusively plays the CC. I'm also very certain the Devs said they would NEVER do this.

username said:

Grimbeard said:

We need to migrate all current cc users to web client shut down cc fix ec and let third party take care of web client 

What good does that do, killing the CC? Sorry, I'm lost and I can't endorse that, as someone who exclusively plays the CC. I'm also very certain the Devs said they would NEVER do this.

The web client is cc but better you're  letting your stubbornness cloud your mind 

it could be better if it worked correctly and like the old cc does has some nice features but overall its not just install and play 

The problem is that it took the developers over 10 years to release a new client, and it’s web-based, which brings issues like lag and bugs. Meanwhile, some people working from their basements managed to create a significantly better client, and everyone is using it. To make things even more surprising, it’s said that their client is open-source. So, how is it that the developers at BS can’t create something similar?

They either have the sack to ban paid accounts for cheating or not.

I mean banning not always the best solution.. strip them naked and make goodie xmas bags with their items; for the legit or sneaky cheater subscriber.. remove them this year vet reward if they busted cheating.. remove them access to holidays gifts.. remove them access to felucca.. Make a public prison with their main character showing off in a cell for the duration of their Felucca ban.. with the reason/their crime the duration who reported him ,etc etc.. public shaming and more.

So much could be done before perma banning.. specially after a decade of wild west.

This is with this kind of move.. u get back a couple old school players and appeal to even more non hardcore players... good PR that gonna make people talk about UO on the MMOrpg scene...

Imagine if people start streaming PvP with UOA on twitch.. cuz they can now compete since no more frame skipper..

Ban em all! Keep it up!

jelinidas said:

Ban em all! Keep it up!

Imagine how funny it would be.. for x-mas u receive couple 100m+ items (shard bound heresy those bots wearing)

Cuz someone got busted.. he still got his account.. with certain restriction and his character got strip naked and his wealth has been redistributed among the other players on his shard wich he annoyed.. to pay for his crime.. u can keep botting.. but think twice.

Or visiting a public prison for shaming people.. cuz u reported a frame skipper and he got ban for x days. I'd take a selfy with these nab and do forum post.. most of these guy.. look at @cookie he's all about his E-EGO.. do that to him once.. he's soo full of himself he may start using UOA again.. just to prove you he's "better" than you at PvP..

IF u perma ban him on the first offense, after decade of non enforcing...u could give him reason.. the game is poo poo.. look at the state of the CC.. and u won't ever see him back.. plus it's bad PR.. cuz he would have a valid point.

KroDuK said:

jelinidas said:

Ban em all! Keep it up!

Imagine how funny it would be.. for x-mas u receive couple 100m+ items (shard bound heresy those bots wearing)

Cuz someone got busted.. he still got his account.. with certain restriction and his character got strip naked and his wealth has been redistributed among the other players on his shard wich he annoyed.. to pay for his crime.. u can keep botting.. but think twice.

Or visiting a public prison for shaming people.. cuz u reported a frame skipper and he got ban for x days. I'd take a selfy with these nab and do forum post.. most of these guy.. look at @ cookie he's all about his E-EGO.. do that to him once.. he's soo full of himself he may start using UOA again.. just to prove you he's "better" than you at PvP..

IF u perma ban him on the first offense, after decade of non enforcing...u could give him reason.. the game is poo poo.. look at the state of the CC.. and u won't ever see him back.. plus it's bad PR.. cuz he would have a valid point.

Your venomous defense against banning bot makes me wonder if thou doth protests too much..

Grimbeard said:

KroDuK said:

jelinidas said:

Ban em all! Keep it up!

Imagine how funny it would be.. for x-mas u receive couple 100m+ items (shard bound heresy those bots wearing)

Cuz someone got busted.. he still got his account.. with certain restriction and his character got strip naked and his wealth has been redistributed among the other players on his shard wich he annoyed.. to pay for his crime.. u can keep botting.. but think twice.

Or visiting a public prison for shaming people.. cuz u reported a frame skipper and he got ban for x days. I'd take a selfy with these nab and do forum post.. most of these guy.. look at @ cookie he's all about his E-EGO.. do that to him once.. he's soo full of himself he may start using UOA again.. just to prove you he's "better" than you at PvP..

IF u perma ban him on the first offense, after decade of non enforcing...u could give him reason.. the game is poo poo.. look at the state of the CC.. and u won't ever see him back.. plus it's bad PR.. cuz he would have a valid point.

Your venomous defense against banning bot makes me wonder if thou doth protests too much..

Define Bot.  Pressing a key to do an action?  That's a Bot in my business. Some would call it a macro on a computer.  Go ahead and accuse me of something and come to LS and take a video.  I have nothing to hide.  My players are known.  I basically have variations of 2 names. Except my account with LotR names.

I just hope this does not reduce the spawn so I'll be getting 5 drops an hour....

Grimbeard said:

Your venomous defense against banning bot makes me wonder if thou doth protests too much..

I adapt to the situation.. I was on the low end; demanding to perma ban them all.. now for a couple hours.. days at best, we got the bigger end.. let's be the grown up here and admit not all third party users are bad boy/losers.. look the state of the CC.. look how was enforce the TOS for the past decade.. just try to go navigate a boat with CC on high sea..


@Pawain Personally I'm not, it's not even a macro in my opinion.. I call that the scissors/banana technic.. u open the journal and voilà.
Use a loop if u want.. but i'm not!
Like a genius i trained stealing like a big boy, from 50 to 113 in june (i was like let's train .1 a day at this point).. took me ~8 days couple hours per day.. today it's down to 75.. I hate myself for it.

With a loop your going to train faster.. i got no life so i don't really care if casual train faster.. at this point i'm hypocritical.. if someone should care it's BS.. not me; not affecting me.. they losing advanced token sells.. do as u please.. to me it mean u coming to play end game faster.

With that u wont be able to make a bot.

You know what affecting me? that polar bear on the loop spamming gate in ATL on the path to Luna bank for his poo poo vendors.. perma ban that guy 2-3 time over, i'm good with that!! -.-

In response to the Polar Bear gate.

On Baja the EM put an ice patch at the top of Luna steps as deco.  OMG I fell off my horse at least 15 times since I have to run every where on that shard to turn in Artisan BODs.

That's more annoying than the gate bear.

I love that EM.. he just need to do a montage of y'all to be a superstar.

Considering i'm not playing on Baja.

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Grimbeard said:

We need to migrate all current cc users to web client shut down cc fix ec and let third party take care of web client 

That would be great if it worked for everybody

@lord_frodo does your Legends friends are mad today?
or it's another lord frodo i've seen one night within them third party user?

Grimbeard said:

username said:

Grimbeard said:

We need to migrate all current cc users to web client shut down cc fix ec and let third party take care of web client 

What good does that do, killing the CC? Sorry, I'm lost and I can't endorse that, as someone who exclusively plays the CC. I'm also very certain the Devs said they would NEVER do this.

The web client is cc but better you're  letting your stubbornness cloud your mind 

It's possible that it's better. Granted the CC isn't perfect. Never once have I worried about having muh FPS, resizable windows, or whatever junk I don't need. I know I'm not in the minority: a LOT of people surely still use the CC. We're not all elite pvp pro gamers surely like yourself. I also don't feel like giving out my password to a non-uo/broadsword/ea website, which by the way, is completely exposed in daylight. Ain't gonna happen, chief!

username said:

Grimbeard said:

username said:

Grimbeard said:

We need to migrate all current cc users to web client shut down cc fix ec and let third party take care of web client 

What good does that do, killing the CC? Sorry, I'm lost and I can't endorse that, as someone who exclusively plays the CC. I'm also very certain the Devs said they would NEVER do this.

The web client is cc but better you're  letting your stubbornness cloud your mind 

It's possible that it's better. Granted the CC isn't perfect. Never once have I worried about having muh FPS, resizable windows, or whatever junk I don't need. I know I'm not in the minority: a LOT of people surely still use the CC. We're not all elite pvp pro gamers surely like yourself. I also don't feel like giving out my password to a non-uo/broadsword/ea website, which by the way, is completely exposed in daylight. Ain't gonna happen, chief!

I'm the same on on the FPS and game window.  I am fine with CC.  But there are some QoL things the Classic UO client does that makes it my choice.

I would go back to CC if they would add those QoL things to CC.

Auto open doors, auto open corpses (don't have to be in war mode), Dbl click to move an item to a container. Dbl clk gold to put in pack. Choose the container things go in.  Macros and screen settings saved with a name that you can select on any toon.  Grid containers choice, so you can see things buried in your pack or on a vendor.

Pawain said:

I'm the same on on the FPS and game window.  I am fine with CC.  But there are some QoL things the Classic UO client does that makes it my choice.

I would go back to CC if they would add those QoL things to CC.

Auto open doors, auto open corpses (don't have to be in war mode), Dbl click to move an item to a container. Dbl clk gold to put in pack. Choose the container things go in.  Macros and screen settings saved with a name that you can select on any toon.  Grid containers choice, so you can see things buried in your pack or on a vendor.

I have to agree with you pretty much completely on this. The primary reason I even sought alternatives is because the main clients are quite bare bones in terms of QoL features you would expect from MMO's today. The web client is pretty close to having everything I would want from an alternative, but it is still lacking some QoL features the standalone has that would greatly improve the overall experience of the web client.

i still see 2 differ uo's to dl on the site were do u get the 3rd at ?

steven said:

i still see 2 differ uo's to dl on the site were do u get the 3rd at ?

https://uo.com/wiki/classicuo-web-client/

KroDuK said:

@ lord_frodo does your Legends friends are mad today?
or it's another lord frodo i've seen one night within them third party user?

WRONG Lord Frodo  I play Baja and have NEVER CHEATED

My bad, on day ~7.. was getting chassed by 2 reds during a Skara Brae invasion.. I've seen this new face.. Lord Frodo within the bots.. couldn't tell if he was legit; seen him only one night, during 2 invasion and was a little busy.

Since, I wonder if it was you playing with them that night.

I don't wanna play the web client at all. I use UOAssist and CC and would just like all the quality of life stuff there. Not redoing macros for 10 chars.

username said:

... can we ban users that log in with the unapproved 3rd party clients?

The web client is a very bad idea and is again a typical UO "mistake".. always new modes, new clients, etc. I will never use any browser client, it's silly. Just massively update the 2D client which we know is very doable and drop all the extra stuff. The team spreads too thin this way.

You can turn the web client into an app.  It plays just like a stand alone client.

It saves macros on the cloud.  You can make a mage profile and any mage you use can access that profile.

Looks like you need to learn how to use it, Mr game devoloper.

Pawain said:

You can turn the web client into an app.  It plays just like a stand alone client.

It saves macros on the cloud.  You can make a mage profile and any mage you use can access that profile.

Looks like you need to learn how to use it, Mr game devoloper.

Once again paddy cakes out here working customer relationships 

Pawain said:

You can turn the web client into an app.  It plays just like a stand alone client.

It saves macros on the cloud.  You can make a mage profile and any mage you use can access that profile.

Looks like you need to learn how to use it, Mr game devoloper.

The last thing the team should have done is added another client. Just upgrade the 2D client. This game needs to be more accessible, not less. It's on top of everything, bad marketing and terrible usability.  

And dude, what is your problem with "Mr.Game Developer"? I am in fact a founder and CTO as well. You realize plenty people exist that hold jobs and positions that apparently make you so envious? As if this is some sort of extraordinary claim. Take your childish jealously elsewhere. 

As if installing it as an app solves getting my specific macros from UOAssist and the standard 2D client into it? 

This is a signature bad "another client" move. UO should go on Steam instead of adding support for yet another client. As if things aren't confusing enough for new players and as if the team isn't spread thin enough as it is. 

Cuts need to be made and consolidation needs to take place, if anything.

If they won't ban paid accounts even for constant blatant public cheating then it seems like the TOS is functionally no longer in effect. As far as I'm concerned everything is legal now. That isn't an editorial opinion on my part, just an observation of ground-level reality.

InLor said:

Pawain said:

You can turn the web client into an app.  It plays just like a stand alone client.

It saves macros on the cloud.  You can make a mage profile and any mage you use can access that profile.

Looks like you need to learn how to use it, Mr game devoloper.

The last thing the team should have done is added another client. Just upgrade the 2D client. This game needs to be more accessible, not less. It's on top of everything, bad marketing and terrible usability.  

And dude, what is your problem with "Mr.Game Developer"? I am in fact a founder and CTO as well. You realize plenty people exist that hold jobs and positions that apparently make you so envious? As if this is some sort of extraordinary claim. Take your childish jealously elsewhere. 

As if installing it as an app solves getting my specific macros from UOAssist and the standard 2D client into it? 

This is a signature bad "another client" move. UO should go on Steam instead of adding support for yet another client. As if things aren't confusing enough for new players and as if the team isn't spread thin enough as it is. 

Cuts need to be made and consolidation needs to take place, if anything.

Sorry for your misery.  That client is gonna stay.  It was not created by Broadsword, it is not updated by Broadsword.  They paid nothing for it.  You can go to it's discord channel and ask for someone to teach you how to use it.  Or go there once you know how to use it and ask for the macros, abilities, etc that you want added.  There is a lot better chance they will add what you want to it than any upgrades to CC or EC.  They have added quit a few things I asked for and fix bugs that we find.

Sorry for your poor reading comprehension.  I am far from envious of a game developer that does not know how to use a simple UI and complains about it before even trying to use it.  And does not know how to turn a web client like that into an App. 

Sorry for your misery.  That client is gonna stay.  It was not created by Broadsword, it is not updated by Broadsword.  They paid nothing for it.  You can go to it's discord channel and ask for someone to teach you how to use it.  Or go there once you know how to use it and ask for the macros, abilities, etc that you want added.  There is a lot better chance they will add what you want to it than any upgrades to CC or EC.  They have added quit a few things I asked for and fix bugs that we find.

Sorry for your poor reading comprehension.  I am far from envious of a game developer that does not know how to use a simple UI and complains about it before even trying to use it.  And does not know how to turn a web client like that into an App. 

1. Broadsword doesn't need to be updating it for it to cause extra work and issues. I think the team has a tendency to spread itself to thin and this is something that happened throughout UO's history. Feel free to disagree. You don't get anything about the marketing and accessibility issues I see. 

2. You just love to make things up? Why would I not know how to "turn it into an app"? I reject the entire concept for reasons I stated. UO should end up on Steam with an enhanced 2D client, not again countless options that confuse players even more than this old and deep game already does. Where did I say I don't know how to use it? I don't want to put in the effort to use it and re-create my old stuff in it, end of story.

Now, please, take your arrogance and assumptions elsewhere.

Can we ban Pincos for having art hacks that aren’t allowed in the web client and conditional and if macros please.

InLor said:

1. Broadsword doesn't need to be updating it for it to cause extra work and issues. I think the team has a tendency to spread itself to thin and this is something that happened throughout UO's history. Feel free to disagree. You don't get anything about the marketing and accessibility issues I see. 

Broadsword did not make CUO. Some players that love UO and know how to program made it.  Broadsword has spent no money on it, and no money or resources from Broadsword are used by this client being upgraded.

There is nothing to disagree with.   It is not extra work for Broadsword.

Pawain said:

There is nothing to disagree with.   It is not extra work for Broadsword.

Wow writing them an email once every 3 moths is sooo much work.

I wonder how many bugs did not get fixed during that time. 😂

CUO is the only usable UO client. I'll quit before I ever download CC/EC again.

Pawain said:

Wow writing them an email once every 3 moths is sooo much work.

I wonder how many bugs did not get fixed during that time. 😂

You don't need to add another layer.. You already did, you have proven your point:

Pawain said:

Broadsword did not make CUO. Some players that love UO and know how to program made it.  Broadsword has spent no money on it, and no money or resources from Broadsword are used by this client being upgraded.

There is nothing to disagree with.   It is not extra work for Broadsword.

                     

It's common sense that it adds complexity if your game is being accessed by another client which can result in work for you. @KroDuK thx for the example.