Despawning if no one is in the area for a while?

@Kyronix, Is it my imagination or does the game despawn things like merchant and pirate ships on the high seas if no one has been in the area for a while perhaps to not use CPU cycles?  The reason I ask is I will go merchant ship hunting east of Jhelom in Felucca and not encounter any ships, beacons, or mob spawn for quiet a while.  Since I do not encounter other player ships I am most likely the only player in the area. 

The ships do despawn after a while.  The spawn is per facet, so while ships may not be where you are they could be in other spawning areas.  

Kyronix said:

The ships do despawn after a while.  The spawn is per facet, so while ships may not be where you are they could be in other spawning areas.  

@Kyronix ;

Thanks for the clarification.

Does this despawn also hold valid for dynamic ToT spawn of Paragons (as I hope, considering how many players have often lamented the annoying issue of other players leaving Paragons unkilled after these other players have done their playing at a dynamic ToT Dungeon...), so as to avoid that players, after Paragons spawned, would leave them there, thus making the dungeon much harder for players who were to come next ?

That is, do Paragons make use of this despawn code after an X time that they have not been killed, thus making room for normal spawn in their place ?

And, should this despawn code corrently not be applied to dynamic ToT Paragons, could you please add it to them, so that the annoying issue that players often lament in regards to fellow players going to a dynamic ToT spawn and leaving behind them a whole bunch of Paragons which newcomers would then have to deal with, would no longer be possible ?

Thanks. 

We left a stuck Paragon WW in Ice stuck in the lake all day.  It was awesome not having those.
Also in Deceit we would put some in rooms and they stayed all day.  We had a paragon closet, players would see how many they could stuff in there.

Please do not despawn things in the dynamic spawns!

Players need to learn how to move things around.

Paragons don't despawn.  We will be addressing the mob stuck issue at dynamic events in the coming publish.

Kyronix said:

Paragons don't despawn.  We will be addressing the mob stuck issue at dynamic events in the coming publish.

Good on the no despawn. Sometimes the stuck ones are ok, if we can kill them if we want to. 🙂

Kyronix said:

Paragons don't despawn.

@Kyronix

I hope that you can reconsider this, considering how often it is a griefing way for players to leave behind them a whole bunch of Paragons which would then make gameplay much worse for those players who come after....

This is an issue lamented by many players, across multiple Shards.

Why can't you kill the paragons?  They've got the phat lootz.  

Kyronix said:

Why can't you kill the paragons?  They've got the phat lootz.  

I assume/hope you are making a joke, right? Because it is pretty common knowledge that they DON'T. They don't have, in your words "phat lootz". They have crap loot. Now, if you were to raise the loot table on them, It would solve a lot of the concerns. It would be worth taking the time to kill them, and people wouldn't complain. 

KHAN said:

Kyronix said:

Why can't you kill the paragons?  They've got the phat lootz.  

I assume/hope you are making a joke, right? Because it is pretty common knowledge that they DON'T. They don't have, in your words "phat lootz". They have crap loot. Now, if you were to raise the loot table on them, It would solve a lot of the concerns. It would be worth taking the time to kill them, and people wouldn't complain. 

*chuckles* I think he is talking about the amount of "points" paragons give toward your next drop, which is quite a bit more than non-paragons of the same critter.

Arroth_Thaiel said:

*chuckles* I think he is talking about the amount of "points" paragons give toward your next drop, which is quite a bit more than non-paragons of the same critter.

Has that actually been confirmed?

Jepeth said:

Arroth_Thaiel said:

*chuckles* I think he is talking about the amount of "points" paragons give toward your next drop, which is quite a bit more than non-paragons of the same critter.

Has that actually been confirmed?

@Kyronix, you willing to confirm or dispel theories about this background game mechanic?

 😂
Even Kyronix wonders why Popps is having trouble killing stuff! 

popps said:

I hope that you can reconsider this, considering how often it is a griefing way for players to leave behind them a whole bunch of Paragons which would then make gameplay much worse for those players who come after....

This is an issue lamented by many players, across multiple Shards.

As Kyronix said, you should have no trouble killing them.  Take the advice you are given and learn how to use your toons effectively.

Pawain said:

 😂
Even Kyronix wonders why Popps is having trouble killing stuff! 

popps said:

I hope that you can reconsider this, considering how often it is a griefing way for players to leave behind them a whole bunch of Paragons which would then make gameplay much worse for those players who come after....

This is an issue lamented by many players, across multiple Shards.

As Kyronix said, you should have no trouble killing them.  Take the advice you are given and learn how to use your toons effectively.

I can understand popps comments.
There has been several times where I would go to Ice Dungeon and there was a snow elemental paragon and 2 Artic ogre lord paragons at the front entrance. Taking them on by themselves is tough, but when you have that many in one location, its rough going. 

I ended up just buying the drops, so I could get what snow hedges I could. And only went there with others, just a couple times (after Artisan Festival ended). by the time it ended, I only had 98K gold lol  

Learn to move spawn around. The area past sakkrah village where the dinos spawn is a good place to learn.  Pulling Rams out of their lair without moving the lichs is another good place to practice.

I rarely had to fight 2 at once because I moved one out of the area then fought . 
I was moving them with my warrior that had no hiding or invis.

Arroth_Thaiel said:

Jepeth said:

Arroth_Thaiel said:

*chuckles* I think he is talking about the amount of "points" paragons give toward your next drop, which is quite a bit more than non-paragons of the same critter.

Has that actually been confirmed?

@ Kyronix, you willing to confirm or dispel theories about this background game mechanic?

Already stated here: https://forums.uo.com/discussion/comment/49313/#Comment_49313

Kyronix said:

Paragons will award more points than other creatures.  These points are then used to calculate your drop chance upon each kill.  So they have built-in benefit to killing them.

Yup, mo' points mo' phat lootz.  Paragons will give more points.

Cinderella said:

Pawain said:

 😂
Even Kyronix wonders why Popps is having trouble killing stuff! 

popps said:

I hope that you can reconsider this, considering how often it is a griefing way for players to leave behind them a whole bunch of Paragons which would then make gameplay much worse for those players who come after....

This is an issue lamented by many players, across multiple Shards.

As Kyronix said, you should have no trouble killing them.  Take the advice you are given and learn how to use your toons effectively.

I can understand popps comments.
There has been several times where I would go to Ice Dungeon and there was a snow elemental paragon and 2 Artic ogre lord paragons at the front entrance. Taking them on by themselves is tough, but when you have that many in one location, its rough going. 

I ended up just buying the drops, so I could get what snow hedges I could. And only went there with others, just a couple times (after Artisan Festival ended). by the time it ended, I only had 98K gold lol  

And the same was also in Deceit Dungeon before Ice Dungeon.....

There is simply players who would not kill the Paragons and, eventually, they pile up for who comes next having to spend the time, effort and labour to do the clean up of a whole lot of Paragons which, of course, given the high number, make everything far more difficult....

@Kyronix , this does is an issue.... and it could be resolved by having the Paragons despawn if noone was interacting with them for, say, 10 or 15 minutes.

Such despawn code would not alleviate trouble for scripters since, in presence of a character, the Paragon would not despawn.

Yet, it would greatly benefit players who often have found the place filled up with Paragons because players who came to the Dungeon before them, did not have the care to clean them up, and, without a despawn code, eventually Paragons pile up and pile up some more....

Or you could kill them and get boatloads of points?....

fear not I have tackled this issue head on myself I moved my Pally Thrower to Cats and will personally protect Popps from paragons...

Kyronix said:

Or you could kill them and get boatloads of points?....

Exactly!!!

popps said:

This is an issue lamented by many players, across multiple Shards.

No, just you. 

Thought the whole idea of this event was to kill paragons.  I don’t have an Uber mage but with slayers I could solo up though snow elementals.  The other paragons I could outrun or help other players kill. There where times when I had to avoid certain parts of the dungeon because of paragon drakes, dragons and ogres, but most of the time part of it was workable.  Paragons at the entrance were a problem but if I did not slow down I could usually run past them.  Think the key was to take your time keeping the path you were working clean so you could run when you had to. Would think it would be prudent to have a limit on how many paragons could spawn.  It would be unworkable for most if you had several dragon and drake paragons in every long tunnel.  Did find several tunnels like this on occasion but never all three.

When I use my melee fighter i only wish frost ooze doesn't spawn as a paragon due to its moving speed. This is the scarcest paragon in the ice dungeon and others are fine. 

I almost always play a toe to toe melee. I have several melee characters that I normally use for these events. Just for the heck of it, I tried my mystic/mage/weaver (no taming) for about a week in the ice dungeon event. It was not enjoyable at all. The paragons (especially since they are beefed up), make a pure casters life heck. I have 150 SDI, top end arties, & every slayer book available. So, yeah, I can kill them with effort. But holy crap, without a pet to distract them, you spend most of the time running for your life trying to kite them. I switched back to my melee after that week. Just not worth the effort for me.

Kyronix said:

Yup, mo' points mo' phat lootz.  Paragons will give more points.

CovenantX said:

Kyronix said:

Yup, mo' points mo' phat lootz.  Paragons will give more points.

 It must not be enough extra points over non-paragons to make a noticeable difference.

May need to put this is a bug report (thought I did, back when stratics was the place to do it, but anyway...)

Also, are you aware that any "revamped" dungeon mobs are more difficult but drop lower quality loot as well as less quantity than non-revamped counterparts?

an easy example of this would be a Blood elemental (Ilshenar & Wind) vs a Blood Elemental (Shame),  There's no 'party-size' bonus to the loot of any mob that was part of a 'revamp' either, even bosses like Cora & Exodus.  they drop the same quantity of items regardless of party size.

Exactly.

If Paragons are supposed to be a Party Hunt, that is, with multiple players having to tackle them, how come that their loot is so scarce and meager ?

Also, in regards to "points" that Paragons supposedly should award, @Kyronix , what happens when the player killing the Paragon is not 1, but 2 or 3 or more as often happens ?

Do the points which the Paragon "supposedly" should award get "split up" among the various players tackling it or does every single player get the FULL amount of points which that Paragon supposedly is meant to award ?

To make an example, let's suppose that a Paragon was meant to award 9% towards getting a drop versus 1% of the regular version of that monster (non paragon), say that 3 players fight together to take that Paragon down, does each and every of them get those 9% points boost (i.e., the 9% points that the Paragon gives get "tripled" to 18% to account for the 3 players hitting it) or is it more like each of them gets 3% (that is, 9% that the Paragon gives split among the 3 players hitting it) ?

Because, that makes a whole lot of difference.... the time it takes, even for 3 players together, to take down a Paragon is way, but way more as what it takes to any single player of them to take down 3 regular, non Paragon monsters....

And that is why lots of players disregard Paragons, they feel the time they take to kill is not worth their effort....

Not to mention, also, the "opportunist players" who actually do not even kill them.... they just run around the dungeon to land a few hits on each of them, enough to get looting rights (and, thus, a boost to their chances at a drop), and never stay the time it takes to actually kill a Paragon.... they leave the extraordinary time it may take to actually "kill" the Paragon to other player...

I have noticed quite a good number of these "opportunist" players...., they run all over the Dungeon landing a few hits here and a few hits there, never really killing much, but in the end getting a whole lot of drops because it is "other" players who then have to take the effort and time to actually concretize the kill........ and the end result, often, is that Paragons get left behind, not killed......

Are you completely sure that, in your Design of the related mechanics, you have factored in any and all expected types of playing behaviour from players and have not left out some, thus making room for issues like that which several players have lamented of Paragons be left unkilled and piling up in dynamic ToT Dungeons to make things way more difficult for those players who happen to come next and find the Dungeon filled up with unkilled Paragons ?

Just wondering......

9 x 3 = 27

Marge said:

9 x 3 = 27

LOL, my bad, sorry, still sleeping <span></span>

By the way, I imagine that it is looting right which grants to a player those points towards drops and not the actual kill since, obviously, only 1 player in a group can land the killing blow so, if it was the actual "kill" which granted points, only 1 player in a group would get them from killing the Paragon, the other players still participating in the fight would remain empty handed...

Therefore, if it is looting rights, as I imagine, it makes sense to me that I see quite a number of players who actually do not stay all the time needed to actually kill a Paragon, but only run up and down the Dungeon landing a few blows here and a few blows there to get, in their playing time, looting rights to a way higher number of MoBs and, thus, maximize their drops in their playing time....

Too bad, though, that the result of this players' behaviour may end up in Paragons not getting killed and, thus, piling up, thus making things way more difficult for other players who come next to the Dungeon and find a whole lot of Paragons piled up all over the place....

That is why I would see it much fit to see the despawn code be applied to dynamic ToT Paragons, to take care of this issue and avoid seeing Paragons pile up in a dynamic ToT dungeon to the point where players may have serious trouble getting into it to play and try get some drops....

And, actually, to my opinion applying the despawn code to dynamic ToT Paragons, especially if with a low timer, would work as a great deterrant against this practise of only landing a few hits for looting rights only (without staying for all the fight until the kill of the Paragon), and then move onto the next one so as to maximize drops in the shortest time, leaving the endured fight and the killing to other players, because then, if the Paragon despawned, the player would have wasted their time by just landing a few hits for looting rights and not having stayed all the necessary time for the kill....

In short, adding a despawn code with a short timer, is my opinion, would actually work towards being a great incentive for players to want to stay for the entire fight until the Paragon is actually killed, so as to make sure that they do get the credit towards a drop from it...

It would be a great way to address this issue of players only landing a few hits for looting rights and not actually staying for the endured fight until the Paragon is dead.

And it would work towards making sure that the dynamic ToT Dungeons would no longer see such an accumulation of Paragons pile up that can make the gameplay of some players nigh to impossible in them, because of that accumulation of Paragons.....

That is at least how I see it.

My take on this subject, paragons are not to be killed in siege, if you are a lucky person that a certain guild lets you stay for awhile to kill the small spawn slowly, but if you get caught killing a paragon that guild will kill you.
  I asked a person on siege why they dont kill paragon, I said  kyronix had said more points better stuff, well he responded with its much faster to kill the small stuff then to 

Goldie said:

My take on this subject, paragons are not to be killed in siege, if you are a lucky person that a certain guild lets you stay for awhile to kill the small spawn slowly, but if you get caught killing a paragon that guild will kill you.
  I asked a person on siege why they dont kill paragon, I said  kyronix 

Well, thank you for your feedback.

I guess, then, that if the Developers were to apply a despawn code with a short timer for Paragons at dynamic ToT Events, this would take care of also this issue that you lament.

Yet another good reason, I guess, to apply a despawn code with a short timer to dynamic ToT Paragons.... you can catch 2 birds with 1 stone, Developers.... so, why not do it ?

As in regards to what you also point out, I also agree that dynamic ToT Events should be spanned on a much larger area as compared to what the limited surroundings of a Dungeon could allow....

I posted a Thread suggesting this here https://forum.uo.com/discussion/7906/does-the-new-dynamic-tot-spawn-tool-permit-events-on-a-larger-area-then-a-dungeon and @Kyronix posted about this in another Thread, among else, here https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/51921/#Comment_51921 ,

A complete open world Treasures is out right now, we are restricted to using a dungeon (and certain open areas in Ilsh) due to spawning limitations for creatures.  

While these Kyronix's words sound disappointing for me to hear, I seem to understand that, the way the sentence was phrased, this might only be a "temporary" limitation and that, hopefully, it is in the Developers' plans to make it possible for a complete open world Treasures on a much larger area as a Dungeon might permit....

Or, at least, so I hope.

It would make no difference if they put a despawn timer on the paragons.  They would go back and ensure that the paragons were paragons once again once they figured out the timers.  plus their always there so they would know.

I have no problem with paragons, just a rope to tie it to an area maybe :P 


p.s.
My suggestion for next event, a rope to tie a paragon to a desired room or hallway and only cost 5 item drops   🙂
A broken table top to go with my broken table legs, that actually stack together  10 item of drops cost
An imbuing item that gives 1 charge for a special item  like say splinter   50 turn in points

Estel_Randir said:

I almost always play a toe to toe melee. I have several melee characters that I normally use for these events. Just for the heck of it, I tried my mystic/mage/weaver (no taming) for about a week in the ice dungeon event. It was not enjoyable at all. The paragons (especially since they are beefed up), make a pure casters life heck. I have 150 SDI, top end arties, & every slayer book available. So, yeah, I can kill them with effort. But holy crap, without a pet to distract them, you spend most of the time running for your life trying to kite them. I switched back to my melee after that week. Just not worth the effort for me.

I used my mage (same as yours) the entire time - but I love my mage. By the end of it, I had even gotten the knack for killing the drakes without dying. (O - there's a reward for the next one - drake slayers!) It is a lot of running back and forth in order to cast and not die but I mainly play my mage for fighting so I'm use to it.

Yes, mages run a lot.  Let the paragon chase you while you get far enough ahead to get the time you need to cast a spell and let the paragon run into it.  That’s why it’s important to keep working your route to keep it as clear of enemy’s as you can.

CovenantX said:

Kyronix said:

Yup, mo' points mo' phat lootz.  Paragons will give more points.

 It must not be enough extra points over non-paragons to make a noticeable difference.

I haven't tracked anything, so I don't have the data to prove it, but I think there is an increase in points based off paragon difficulty. I.E. some type of modifier based off creature strength. 

I always use gold as a proxy for points with this mechanic, so my guess is something like this (these are just made up numbers to illustrate my thinking - again I haven't done any tracking for this):

Creature	Gold (Normal)	Points (Normal)	Gold (Paragon)	Modifier (Paragon)	Points (Paragon)
Skeleton	50	50	65	0.01	66
Lich	150	150	225	0.1	248
Poison Elemental	600	600	1000	2	3000

In other words, if we're just killing paragon lich's we're not going to notice much difference, but if we're killing the paragons of the hardest monsters, it noticeably impacts our drop rate. At least this is what I experience with this mechanic.


Some caveats:

1. There is a background mechanic reducing the points per creature as we fight the same creature repeatedly (Or fight in the same area repeatedly?). (Wouldn't be surprised if paragons are considered "normal" for this calculation, so by the time we clear an area and force a paragon to spawn, it's reduced in point value - for us anyway, not for a new player entering the area who has not been killing that creature).   

2. I think the points split between damagers (Top 16 damagers maybe? That was the Doom mechanic.)

3. I'm not sure the points reset when the creature regen's to full health, if the other damagers are still in that "location".

4. Faster for my mage to kill 20 Lichs than 1 Paragon Poison Elemental (couldn't do it!), so alot of this is still going to be down to personal/character ability.

5. UO's RNG. We both know that UO is not going to be "you get a drop at 20k points". It's probably more like: you most often get a drop between 18-24k points, but you can get a drop anywhere from 8k-64k points. The tails on the UO-bell curve are spectacular. This also makes it difficult to see exactly how paragon's factor into your drop rate, even paragons with lots of "points". 

IIRC the way the treasures drops work is based on damage done which converts to points. This is a very watered down explanation of what is likely in place but essentially I think once you get to X amount of damage done (aka "points") you get a drop. 

Rough example based on my understanding:
If a non-para WW has 500hp then you would get around 500 points. 
If a para WW has 1000hp then you would get 1000 points. 

So while yes you do get "double the points" from killing a paragon it's only because you have to deal double the damage to kill it.

@Kyronix - Can we get a little more clarity on the paragon piece as it relates to "boatloads on points"? Does it work as I've outlined above; essentially the only reason it's more points is because it's more HP to take damage?

Or is it where paragons actually have a multiplier used so that for each point of damage done to a paragon you get like twice the credit for damage (in the above example someone might get 2000 points for killing a 1000hp WW)?

I have a feeling the way it works is the former rather than latter but it's pretty hard to test anything with much consistency when paragons spawn randomly so I can't kill X amount of WW vs X amount of para WW to compare so confirmation here would be helpful.

Thanks!

@keven2002 I too will be interested to see how much background info the team is willing to provide for this mechanic (betting it's not much more than what they've already said!).

Whether we use HP or gold as a proxy for "points", we are both asking the same question. Good luck!

All these calculations are based on the creatures fame, for paragons we override it based on a multiplier so it's worth the fight.  Also important to note the system works by rolling every time you kill a creature.  So it is very likely you could have a situation where you kill a paragon which gives you enough points to fall into "more likely than not" territory RNG wise, then when you kill the next creatures and you roll - BAM! phat lootz!

In Deceit, my tamer would sit at the entry to gate dead players out or kill Paragons the NOOBs had on the first floor.  He got drops at a lot higher drops/kill than my dexxer running around.  But usually it is faster to kill more stuff and get drops. I think it is a good mix.

Now we know the secret.... Fame on the non paras.  Mariah guessed that from Deceit.

Yeah, I saw Mariah's post about Fame as well. Fame makes sense. Thanks for the info Kyronix!

Awesome to understand how the Phat lootz work, thanks @Kyronix!

Since paragons are given some sort of multiplier then I think they should not despawn. I've typically been the person in Deceit and Ice to kill the large amounts of para's simply because it gives me a little more of a challenge and breaks up the monotony of running around double striking every monster I see.

Arnold7 said:

Yes, mages run a lot.  Let the paragon chase you while you get far enough ahead to get the time you need to cast a spell and let the paragon run into it.  That’s why it’s important to keep working your route to keep it as clear of enemy’s as you can.

@Marge & @Arnold7 ;

I am curious, do your Mages run Protection or not ?

The reason I am asking, is that, while in PvP one can somewhat handle not using Protection but using low level spells which have a lower chance to get interrupted, in PvM, considering the hit points that MoBs have, using low circle spells makes it quite more difficult to tear down the health bar of a Paragon, for example....

Yet, with Protection on, the casting of higher level spells is sooooo slow that often, by the time one can actually hit the Paragon, the Paragon, due to its ultra high speed, has already reached the caster (casting freezes the Template and prevents moving....) and hit it for some hefty damage....

While Warriors can hit while on the run, unfortunately this for spellcasters, especially if they use Protection, seems to me quite an impossible thing.... so, how do you actually get to fight Paragons?

Mystics are also at a gross disadvantage.... in order to cast a Rising Colossus, which is a 5 slot summon, they are forced to be on foot which, with Paragons around, does not seem a good thing to do, considering their ultra fast speed and ability to reveal "no matter what"....

a mage/mystic fights just like a tamer get the mobs on your summons then cast away run a little invis move invis again ... it is not hard ...

keven2002 said:

Awesome to understand how the Phat lootz work, thanks @ Kyronix!

Since paragons are given some sort of multiplier then I think they should not despawn. I've typically been the person in Deceit and Ice to kill the large amounts of para's simply because it gives me a little more of a challenge and breaks up the monotony of running around double striking every monster I see.

I do not see that connection....

I mean, the despawn would only occur if no player is interacting (hitting) for X time.

If a player is hitting them, their despawn timer would get interrupted giving the player the ability to kill it.

The way I see it, is that the despawn code would act in those scenarios where some players go to a dungeon, start hitting stuff to get looting rights but not actually kill them and cash on more points and thus drops which then spawns tons upon tons of Paragons which are left behind for newcomers to have to deal with.

Having a despawn code for Paragons, especially if with a short timer, would instead work as an incentive for players to actually WANT to go fight AND kill those Paragons right as they spawn so as to actually get those extra points from them.... if the Paragon they just landed a few hits to get looting rights was to despawn, because they moved elsewhere to land some more hits (without killing) for more looting rights, they would have wasted their time all for nothing....

What I am trying to say is, that if the actual goal is to have paragons be fought and killed, putting in despawn code with a short timer for them would actuallt work towards incentivate players to work for this precise goal, attack Paragons as they spawn and not just land a few hits on them for looting rights, but want to go for the entire fight and kill them....

At least, that is how I see it.

@popps the paragons are not going to despawn.  Move to some other complaint.

Or learn to play UO before the next event.

Go to Chaos and kill Balrons with your pet until you can kill those paragons with no problems.

To Popps

My mages run with protection, reactive armor and refect.  Without protection I get that concentration disturbed message all of the time.  I did not have any problems with the ice elementals but the other spell caster paragons were a pain. I did not attempt to solo them.  Don’t know how many hit points they had but my spells barely moved their life lines and the rat mages were not worth the effort it took to kill them. Seems like almost all of the computer generated spell casters in this game can cast two or three spells in the time it takes me to cast just one.  I could solo paragon ogres by running and casting.  I used slayer spellbooks a lot.

Arnold7 said:

To Popps

Seems like almost all of the computer generated spell casters in this game can cast two or three spells in the time it takes me to cast just one.

Indeed, something looks to me very wrong with Protection as it is... it slows way too much a caster and, as you mentioned, MoBs are not affected by any of that.... they can cast just fine without being interrupted by any hits hitting them which would make one assume that they have also Protection on YET, somehow, MoBs casting speed is not affected by that at all....

The end result is that, while a plyer with Protection on can barely cast 1 spell, the MoBs can cast in that same time well like a good 3 spells.....

The most incredible thing to me, though, is that this gross disadvantage for spellcasters also stays against dexers.... while dexers can hit every 1.25 seconds, most spells that spellcasters cast take way longer then that, if they have Protection on. Of course, this puts spellcasters at quite some disadvantage as their ability to get anything done is artificially slowed down, and quite some....

That is why, I guess, we see more and more Warriors out there and quite only very few spellcasters.... spellcasters (and Tamers,and Bards, and Rogues etc. with them) have been nerfed so much in their Template that it is simply not worth the hassle playing those Templates, much more effective to use a Warrior.... which, though, to my opinion, is sad because it reduces Ultima Online's variety and assortment of really playable Templates....

Just think about it.... why would anyone want to go through all of the hassles of "trying" to play a Spellcaster, a Tamer, a Bard, a Rogue with all of their limitations and obstacles put in through tons of nerfs to them over the Years when they can just put up a Warrior and go hit every 1.25 seconds a go-go and not care about being revealed all the time, being retargeted all the time, being outsped by a Paragon ?

I believe this thread was about de-spawning ships?

Kyronix said:

All these calculations are based on the creatures fame, for paragons we override it based on a multiplier so it's worth the fight.  Also important to note the system works by rolling every time you kill a creature.  So it is very likely you could have a situation where you kill a paragon which gives you enough points to fall into "more likely than not" territory RNG wise, then when you kill the next creatures and you roll - BAM! phat lootz!

Luck as well as it was also previously mentioned. So in theory you should get more drops by killing in Fel due to increased in mob's fame and 1k luck bonus. 

However, I do believe it has been somewhat adjusted in the Ice event, after it has been decided to open up Fel to all shards. I have been spending most of time in Fel this time but I don't feel a notable higher drop rate in Fel than Tram. You can feel a very big difference back in the Deceit event when you used the luck statue. It was my power hour every day to get drop even I was fighting in Tram as Fel wasn't available in my shard. However this time in Ice I don't feel a increased drop rate after both using luck statue and fighting in Fel. 

Marge, thanks for the detailed post on how your mage worked the ice dungeon.  Have been playing a mage about two years and really enjoyed reading your post.  Wish I had thought more about trying the ev on the para drakes.  Used it all the time on the normal ones.  Guess I just thought the para drakes would dispel it the way the wyrms did.  Thanks again for the detailed post learned a lot about playing my character from it.

You welcome Arnold7! Glad it helped. 🙂

Mariah said:

I believe this thread was about de-spawning ships?

That was my initial reason for making the post but I made the title vague in case there were other places people noticed mobs despawned if no one was in the area for a while.

Goldie said:

My take on this subject, paragons are not to be killed in siege, if you are a lucky person that a certain guild lets you stay for awhile to kill the small spawn slowly, but if you get caught killing a paragon that guild will kill you.
  I asked a person on siege why they dont kill paragon, I said  kyronix had said more points better stuff, well he responded with its much faster to kill the small stuff then to 

touch a paragon.

Please no more small areas for the events like this, ICE was to small. thank you. thank you

Well, that person lied to you.
The reason they didn´t want you to kill paragons is because they wanted the dungeon to be filled with them to keep others from farming, and a dungeon full of paragons made farming more difficult.
Their plan was to control the reward market so everytime they were done farming and their PKs couldn´t patrol for a few hours they filled up the dungeon with paragons.

Tjalle said:
Goldie said:
My take on this subject, paragons are not to be killed in siege, if you are a lucky person that a certain guild lets you stay for awhile to kill the small spawn slowly, but if you get caught killing a paragon that guild will kill you.
  I asked a person on siege why they dont kill paragon, I said  kyronix 
had said more points better stuff, well he responded with its much faster to kill the small stuff then to 
touch a paragon.

 A reason more to introduce despawn code with a short timer for dynamic ToT Paragons then....

It would actually not only work as an incentive to players to actually want to kill Paragons before they despawn and not just hop around the Dungeon only landing a few hits here and there to get looting rights but not actually staying for the longer kill fight, but, it would also unlock to players playing areas which were locked up, from what I seem to understand from the above post, from players purposedly not killing Paragons...

Seriously, @Kyronix , don't you think it would be a good idea and solve several issues to introduce despawn code with a short timer for dynamic ToT Paragons ? 

Serously. @popps ; you are the only one that wants this. STOP.  Question was answered!

Learn to kill stuff in a game where you kill stuff.

@Mariah or @Rorschach
I think it is time to close the post.  People are getting over heated.

TimSt said:

@ Mariah or @ Rorschach
I think it is time to close the post.  People are getting over heated.

I am not overheated at all, just discussing game issues related to Monsters" despawn code which, to my understanding, is the topic of this Thread and the purpose of these Forums, that is, to discuss game issues.....

Why is that, when someone perhaps sees being discussed an argument that they do not like or agree with, that then, suddenly calls for locking up that Thread might come up ?

Do not like a Thread or an argument ? Do not post in that Thread.... easy as that.

A discussions Forum would not get much anywhere if legittimate discussions where to be stopped only because the topic at hand is not liked by someone, I imagine....

Pawain said:

Serously. @ popps  you are the only one that wants this. STOP.  Question was answered!

Learn to kill stuff in a game where you kill stuff.

I wouldn´t mind some sort of despawning coded the way popps suggested.
Why? Because of what I described in my post above.

After two of these events it´s obvious the mechanism of these events were made for prodo and not with Siege in mind.

popps said:

TimSt said:

@ Mariah or @ Rorschach
I think it is time to close the post.  People are getting over heated.

I am not overheated at all, just discussing game issues related to Monsters" despawn code which, to my understanding, is the topic of this Thread and the purpose of these Forums, that is, to discuss game issues.....

Why is that, when someone perhaps sees being discussed an argument that they do not like or agree with, that then, suddenly calls for locking up that Thread might come up ?

Do not like a Thread or an argument ? Do not post in that Thread.... easy as that.

A discussions Forum would not get much anywhere if legittimate discussions where to be stopped only because the topic at hand is not liked by someone, I imagine....

I am the one who opened the thread. My question was answered by Kyronix. The thread has gone off on a tangent.  If you want to continue discussing the despawning of paragons please open your own thread.

TimSt said:

  If you want to continue discussing the despawning of paragons please open your own thread.