EM event drops need to be shard bound. People who don't even play the server the event is on comes over to that server only for the event and then takes the drop to a different server. Those drops are meant to be for that server and is a part of that server's history. You want to shard bound power scrolls and you are for shard bound on this event. You all should be for shard bounding em drops too. 

Please vote on the poll.... And give a reason to why you answer yes or no.

EM event items should be shard bound since it's an item strictly made on that shard. The treasures of deceit and powerscrolls are shard wide items which should not be shard bound since you can get them on any one of the shards...

Kickstand said:

EM event items should be shard bound since it's an item strictly made on that shard. The treasures of deceit and powerscrolls are shard wide items which should not be shard bound since you can get them on any one of the shards...

Most people on their home server don't even get em drops due to the people collecting the drops and using more than one client. They then xfer it off to another server stealing that bit of server history.... Kinda reminds me of book burning.

Whoever voted no to em drops but yes to everything else. Why?

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To be fair, I was not really in favour of Shard Bound for anything.

But there is definitely a section of players who have been asking for Shard Bound, especially in relation to power-scrolls.

This is just a case of the Devs listening to some of the playerbase, experimenting a little, and trying to fix the issue of Atlantic over-crowding, and smaller shards losing so many players/items to Atlantic.

Whilst this particular move does not bother me at all, I only really play on Europa, and really enjoy it there, this gear is strong gear and I want as much as possible on my characters. I will farm what I need to the best of my ability, that is my attitude to stuff I want.

The strength of your argument is certainly that there should be a certain consistency across the board. The game gets complicated when everything is inconsistent over long periods of time.

The Devs would counter that argument with - but the game evolves, and they make tweaks here and there to deal with existing current issues.

It is possible that without Atlantic sucking up all the items, the price isn't forced up into the 200m, zone, but surprisingly, I think that will still be the case on smaller shards, where the item will be more rare, so ironically, prices will still match Atlantic, whether shard bound or not - and this is interesting, especially if this were true to powerscrolls also. The main argument of players on smaller shards is they would be able to obtain powerscrolls if they were shard bound - but the reverse is that no-one would farm them there, so they could be in a worse position.

An amount of the playerbase believe Shard Bound will protect smaller shards, I actually think the Jury is out on this one, and no-one really knows.

I've submitted my votes on this, I believe No for everything, I have no issues with free trade in the game, and enjoying playing on my main shard.

I do agree there should be a certain logic or consistency. I do agree for wearables this seems harsh, especially for thise who like to transfer PvPers.

There is also an argument that says, these items are overpowered, and in order to limit them, and maintain the price and importance of the originals - then these items need to be shardbound - a bit like replica or original Lieutenants Sash, or +20 Stealth Cloak. It gives the elite players a target to collect the original item, if that is what they really want, it creates a 2 tiered system, which may not be bad.

What we need to remember if this is the first of many events, if these rewards are similar, or repeated, it adds further weight to the fact these items could become more common, and be a bit like replicas.

Either EVERYTHING should be shard bound or NOTHING should be shard bound.  Someone somewhere is making RL dollars off these decisions.  If there is an argument FOR shard bound on some items then the same argument should apply to ALL  items or the whole argument is spurious to start with.

IF PS were shard bound zerg guilds would not come to smaller shards so the people that lived there could do spawns themselves..

McDougle said:

IF PS were shard bound zerg guilds would not come to smaller shards so the people that lived there could do spawns themselves..

@McDougle thing is though. If you plop it on a vendor for lower price someone can buy it and transfer it anyway and sell it for higher on Atlantic. I've heard from many people that they have used there shard shields to transfer to a server to buy a taming 3 mastery and then transfer back, just because the mastery was cheaper than where they were at. Also I'm getting tired of the let me check Atlantic prices, when I am trying to buy something, that's not on Atlantic. The issue is that it could still be the same for being over priced just like over there and then they could just decide not to sell anyway until you go up to that price. Shard bound will not fix prices. Shard bound could make prices worse on everything, besides for em drops. Everyone mimics atlantic for pricing on items anyway. Now if em drops were shard bound, the prices wouldn't go up as they do now.

Nikard said:

Honestly shard bound should be used on a wider scope. I think this is the first of a multi step attack on multibotting, unattended scripting, and RMT.

Things I think should be added to the shard bound list ;

-Powerscrolls, stat scrolls, champion skulls

-All event items, including EM events

@Nikard if this is what they are doing. They should have started off with shard bounding em event drops first. And still should.

Ban scripting and multi boxing. That’s a given and the devs just dont seem to be able to do this, for whatever reason.

however, making em items shard bound is a stupid idea and i can only see this being forced repeatedly by people hell bent I’d negatively affecting others gameplay

any odd can create chars on other shards and attend events

i choose not to and I like buying neon gift boxes and painting for my in game art gallery. I know many other enjoy collecting aswell, and seeing as a massive part of this community are into rates and rates festivals I cannot see this happening

maybe Rockstar can explain why is such a problem, maybe you dont get drops at all events you attend? Who knows

but just drop it, and stop repeatedly starting threads as it won’t  happen 

if you don’t like it don’t do them. I hate the new idoc changes so I no longer do idocs. So just move on 

JackFlashUk said:

Ban scripting and multi boxing. That’s a given and the devs just dont seem to be able to do this, for whatever reason.

however, making em items shard bound is a stupid idea and i can only see this being forced repeatedly by people hell bent I’d negatively affecting others gameplay

any odd can create chars on other shards and attend events

i choose not to and I like buying neon gift boxes and painting for my in game art gallery. I know many other enjoy collecting aswell, and seeing as a massive part of this community are into rates and rates festivals I cannot see this happening

maybe Rockstar can explain why is such a problem, maybe you dont get drops at all events you attend? Who knows

but just drop it, and stop repeatedly starting threads as it won’t  happen 

if you don’t like it don’t do them. I hate the new idoc changes so I no longer do idocs. So just move on 

@JackFlashUk Jack those specific em drops are meant to stay as part of that shard. And if you haven't seen the poll. I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I've already explained it. And yes, it should happen. That's what's wrong with this. Not many people are making their voice heard. When you make your voice heard that is when change will happen. 

JackFlashUk said:

Ban scripting and multi boxing. That’s a given and the devs just dont seem to be able to do this, for whatever reason.

however, making em items shard bound is a stupid idea and i can only see this being forced repeatedly by people hell bent I’d negatively affecting others gameplay

any odd can create chars on other shards and attend events

i choose not to and I like buying neon gift boxes and painting for my in game art gallery. I know many other enjoy collecting aswell, and seeing as a massive part of this community are into rates and rates festivals I cannot see this happening

maybe Rockstar can explain why is such a problem, maybe you dont get drops at all events you attend? Who knows

but just drop it, and stop repeatedly starting threads as it won’t  happen 

if you don’t like it don’t do them. I hate the new idoc changes so I no longer do idocs. So just move on 

@JackFlashUk as you can see, the poll is working. More people are for shard bounding em drops over anything else. I am happy to see this post moving forward and not being locked. As this post is a healthy discussion and not against the TOS of this forum. I am happy to see more people that read this post are actually voting and the vote is going the way I thought it would. People/majority are for shard bounding em drops. Treasures is half n half. And scrolls are a no. I honestly think the devs should do their own poll also. One vote each person. Just like this. The collectors are a small percent of who play but they pay the most. The vote should be per person, not per active account, that way you can't vote twice. Say no to voting fraud. And you will see who is really for and against it. 

I play across several shards, specially for the EM events.  I did two this morning.  
Now there is no market for these drops on their home shard, no one there wishes to buy them for a decent price, decent meaning they are a very limited item and therefore worth far more then cheap power scrolls, so I voted NO.  I hope to sell both for Atlantic gold someday.

Drakelord said:

I play across several shards, specially for the EM events.  I did two this morning.  
Now there is no market for these drops on their home shard, no one there wishes to buy them for a decent price, decent meaning they are a very limited item and therefore worth far more then cheap power scrolls, so I voted NO.  I hope to sell both for Atlantic gold someday.

@Drakelord this is exactly what I'm talking about. People want stuff to be shard bound but want to take a piece of shard history away from the shard and then sell it. Maybe people should stop doing events on every shard for that reason. And let all the drops go to the people at actually play and stay on that shard. The first thing that should have ever been shard bound are these featured in that picture.

Do you have a thorough knowledge of your shards history?  Some EM events fire out up to 20/50 items per year. So over many, many years I have yet to see any shard specific museums. EM halls have items on display. Simple solution for your argument is to have EM’s display all drops for your viewing pleasure.

its far too late to stop EM drops moving now. And it’s not fair to all the rares players that have invested gold and time to train up chars for other shards.

this will have a major negative affect on many other players play styles.  Again look what happened to T maps and idocs due to players demanding action.  Nothing ever changes for the good of the players.  

JackFlashUk said:

Do you have a thorough knowledge of your shards history?  Some EM events fire out up to 20/50 items per year. So over many, many years I have yet to see any shard specific museums. EM halls have items on display. Simple solution for your argument is to have EM’s display all drops for your viewing pleasure.

its far too late to stop EM drops moving now. And it’s not fair to all the rares players that have invested gold and time to train up chars for other shards.

this will have a major negative affect on many other players play styles.  Again look what happened to T maps and idocs due to players demanding action.  Nothing ever changes for the good of the players.  

I guess you do not get drops on your shard? And you want to stop others who are more fortunate in these event?

Do you buy items from Atl to bring home? Scrolls roof artis etc you cannot get anywhere other than Atl really. I hated shard shields. Still do, I will never own them so have to share a lift. That’s UO life now and you will have to adapt or fall behind 

I for one cannot see why you want to stop others enjoyment if the game. 

They even advertise in UO.com em events on calenders for everyone to enjoy should they wish 

@JackFlashUk then nothing should be shard bound at all then if em event drops cannot become shard bound.

RockStaR said:

JackFlashUk said:

Do you have a thorough knowledge of your shards history?  Some EM events fire out up to 20/50 items per year. So over many, many years I have yet to see any shard specific museums. EM halls have items on display. Simple solution for your argument is to have EM’s display all drops for your viewing pleasure.

its far too late to stop EM drops moving now. And it’s not fair to all the rares players that have invested gold and time to train up chars for other shards.

this will have a major negative affect on many other players play styles.  Again look what happened to T maps and idocs due to players demanding action.  Nothing ever changes for the good of the players.  

I guess you do not get drops on your shard? And you want to stop others who are more fortunate in these event?

Do you buy items from Atl to bring home? Scrolls roof artis etc you cannot get anywhere other than Atl really. I hated shard shields. Still do, I will never own them so have to share a lift. That’s UO life now and you will have to adapt or fall behind 

I for one cannot see why you want to stop others enjoyment if the game. 

They even advertise in UO.com em events on calenders for everyone to enjoy should they wish 

@ JackFlashUk then nothing should be shard bound at all then if em event drops cannot become shard bound.

Indeed.  This is a dynamic game that allows players from all around the world to come together and play and trade.  Atlantic has become the hub of trade. Rightly or wrongly.  Dealing with scripting and multi boxing should go a long way to make your enjoyment of EM event more enjoyable.  

JackFlashUk said:

RockStaR said:

JackFlashUk said:

Do you have a thorough knowledge of your shards history?  Some EM events fire out up to 20/50 items per year. So over many, many years I have yet to see any shard specific museums. EM halls have items on display. Simple solution for your argument is to have EM’s display all drops for your viewing pleasure.

its far too late to stop EM drops moving now. And it’s not fair to all the rares players that have invested gold and time to train up chars for other shards.

this will have a major negative affect on many other players play styles.  Again look what happened to T maps and idocs due to players demanding action.  Nothing ever changes for the good of the players.  

I guess you do not get drops on your shard? And you want to stop others who are more fortunate in these event?

Do you buy items from Atl to bring home? Scrolls roof artis etc you cannot get anywhere other than Atl really. I hated shard shields. Still do, I will never own them so have to share a lift. That’s UO life now and you will have to adapt or fall behind 

I for one cannot see why you want to stop others enjoyment if the game. 

They even advertise in UO.com em events on calenders for everyone to enjoy should they wish 

@ JackFlashUk then nothing should be shard bound at all then if em event drops cannot become shard bound.

Indeed.  This is a dynamic game that allows players from all around the world to come together and play and trade.  Atlantic has become the hub of trade. Rightly or wrongly.  Dealing with scripting and multi boxing should go a long way to make your enjoyment of EM event more enjoyable.  

@JackFlashUk That is true too. If they are gonna shard bound one thing they need to shard bound everything though. They give us transfers and shard shields and then say no you cannot transfer this. Should just shard bound everything, or just get rid of transfers all together.

JackFlashUk said:

Do you buy items from Atl to bring home? Scrolls roof artis etc you cannot get anywhere other than Atl really. I hated shard shields. Still do, I will never own them so have to share a lift. That’s UO life now and you will have to adapt or fall behind 

I for one cannot see why you want to stop others enjoyment if the game. 

Some people enjoy farming other less populated servers when they host seasonal events like this. Making the stuff shard bound took the fun out of it. I for one am one of those players and I only farmed 100 drops to see if I can turn them in and transfer to Atlantic and claim them there but that was of no success. I havent been back to the event and refuse to do it because I move around a lot so building a suit around a couple shard bound items is pointless for me. Most of the consensus on this forum feels things should be shard bound but that does not make up the whole UO population. There is only a select few here on these forums and I know a lot of people that are against shard bound items and would surely quit if everything became shard bound.

• Voted NO to all.
• Could just as easily have been YES to all.

• Power/Stat scrolls
• EM items
• Vet Rewards
• High End Loot Drops/Rewards

• Now someone in their wisdom has decided if you are a player that makes money by farming power/stat scrolls, often with hidden spy cams to raid anyone on a small shard trying to complete a spawn then it is fine and dandy to take those items to Atlantic to sell.
• If you multibox all shards with your flappy gargoyles to get their EM event items (and yes we see them at every event) then those items are OK to take to Atlantic to sell.
• Well the market for Vet Rewards just went through the roof due to the changes to Idocs.  No point in making them shard bound as you can just claim them on whatever shard you want.  So this change to idocs basically has done the RMT's a favor by drying up the stock in a big way and the prices have reflected this change in a big way too.  Plus you have to go to Atlantic if you do have the funds as that is where most are sold. No one is gonna take a vet reward to Oceania or LA to sell when they can do it on Atlantic.
• For those whose only way to make decent money was on loot they actually earned in things like this "treasure of"  event, who used to take their extras to Atlantic to sell, well now you can't. 

1. The purpose of RNG-based loot is to maintain the incentive for engagement with repeatable content by increasing the time it may take to acquire an item (or to reduce the possible supply of the item).
   
2. EM-event rewards are limited to decorative items and are unique to a singular event.
3. Players are limited in their ability to display items anywhere but their house.
4. Players are limited to one house per account.

• Anyone that wants an item to fondly remember their event experience would get one.
• Anyone that wants a piece of shard history would have it.
  
• Anyone that wants the item to decorate their house could participate to get one or buy one.
• Anyone that wants a reward for its market value on that shard or another could acquire one.
  
• Players who did not want to rely on transfers could do the same cross-shard trading that the developers hope will occur by making items shard-bound.
  

It's not like there will be another chance to get that item again (Ever!),

1. players who miss out on events on their home shard because of the calendar and their real-life obligations
2. players who do not have the opportunity to go to events because their shard does not have an EM
3. players who like to decorate with graphics that are not universally accessible
   
4. players who want to move their characters and/or house to a different shard in the future for any reason

Most current players have been playing long enough that they can freely travel from shard to shard.  I can understand how these players would object to shard bound.  Many of these players if they have something that is in demand will sell it where the demand and price is the highest.  That’s the way economics works.  The invasion event being a great example of this.  Although a number players on my shard accumulated hundreds of spellbooks only a very small handful of the books showed up for sale here.  Most, I believe, went to Atlantic.  I had hoped to buy some triple damage slayer books and monitored vender search several times a day.  I saw not more than six of these books come up for sale.
But for the rest of us that are shard bound, allowing non shard bound players to sell items earned here somewhere else means we can’t advance or that we may be taken advantage of by the one seller selling what we need.  This happened with stat scrolls, also during the invasion event, when, I believe, a single player attempted to corner the market selling them for more than twice what they had been selling for prior to the invasion event.  Now, they rarely show up at all.  So I agree certain items should be shard bound especially items players require for advancement.

Arnold7 said:

Most current players have been playing long enough that they can freely travel from shard to shard.  I can understand how these players would object to shard bound.  Many of these players if they have something that is in demand will sell it where the demand and price is the highest.  That’s the way economics works.  The invasion event being a great example of this.  Although a number players on my shard accumulated hundreds of spellbooks only a very small handful of the books showed up for sale here.  Most, I believe, went to Atlantic.  I had hoped to buy some triple damage slayer books and monitored vender search several times a day.  I saw not more than six of these books come up for sale.
But for the rest of us that are shard bound, allowing non shard bound players to sell items earned here somewhere else means we can’t advance or that we may be taken advantage of by the one seller selling what we need.  This happened with stat scrolls, also during the invasion event, when, I believe, a single player attempted to corner the market selling them for more than twice what they had been selling for prior to the invasion event.  Now, they rarely show up at all.  So I agree certain items should be shard bound especially items players require for advancement.

I shop a Mage slayer from another shard, because for that day it was not listed for sale on Atlantic and my shard, both which I played. If you make it shard bound, very soon it will not be possible for new return players to acquire them. Fortunately shard bound was not the default all this time or I would not be here.

I am a new player starting two years ago Halloween.  Never seen one of those for sale and I check several times a day.  You are lucky as a returning player that you can travel from shard to shard to find what you need.  I can’t. 

Arnold7 said:

I am a new player starting two years ago Halloween.  Never seen one of those for sale and I check several times a day.  You are lucky as a returning player that you can travel from shard to shard to find what you need.  I can’t. 

I don't have a vet account because I quit 3 times. So I paid cash to transfer. 

If shard bound, you cannot buy it from another shard even if you are willing to pay. And good luck that your shard, if its not Atlantic, still has the population to support it in future.

Some shards are already showing what is to come, you cannot even find a full spell book. So can forget about arties from one short 30 day event. It is very likely to disappear completely from most low pop shard in another 5 years, idoc, closed accounts, etc.

The best bet is still Atlantic, for now.

if EM items were shard bound, it would only be realistic to have EMs and EM events on about 10 servers. 

the other shards local populations just dont warrant having an EM with the very low numbers that would show up if items couldnt be transferred.  (some shards have as little as 2-3 locals, but most around 10 for the low-pop shards)

Id be ok with items being shard bound only if:
there were a way to remove it (either 100m gold, or a uo store item)
if we could have a house on all shards so items could be displayed regardless of shard.

Smoot said:

Id be ok with items being shard bound only if:
there were a way to remove it (either 100m gold, or a uo store item)

Smoot stole my idea, and yes this would be an excellent money maker for UO or a great gold sink that the game desperately needs.  We have item bless deeds, why not remove shard bound deeds?  If the price is steep enough, this would protect insane rare collectors like me and deter pillaging shard history unnecessarily.  

Nails_Warstein said:

Smoot said:

Id be ok with items being shard bound only if:
there were a way to remove it (either 100m gold, or a uo store item)

Smoot stole my idea, and yes this would be an excellent money maker for UO or a great gold sink that the game desperately needs.  We have item bless deeds, why not remove shard bound deeds?  If the price is steep enough, this would protect insane rare collectors like me and deter pillaging shard history unnecessarily.  

So all the LS EM items you get stay on LS?

As Nails should know the dev were asked to do a shard bound for (Some) EM event items so the players of said shard could keep some. 
  Its disheartening to see all the items from said hunts to disapear to Atlantic sales.  And Yes I know most of you are looking at the sale price you could get and drool to be able to send them off!! 
Dont lie to me.   
  Greed is the #1 reason many of you are grumbling.  That 175mill price tag or more is eating a hole in your pocket if you could.
I know this cause its human nature to covet things of value. 
But its sad too.  Many shard event items are never to see the home shard again as they get swallowed up on Atlantic.   Atlantic is looking like Las Vegas all gilt and no soul.

I support shard bound items and scrolls.  Yes, some people will transfer to use a shard bound scroll on a character and then return the character to their home shard.  In this case, however, the gold stays on the shard where the item was originally obtained.   I do think this will help each shard revive a local trade market rather than everything being moved to Atlantic where the prices are the most inflated.  It is very difficult to find items on lesser populated shards since nothing is for sale locally.  

I am fine with this.  If I really like it, I can pay the extra gold or sovereigns to be able to bring it to Catskills if I wish.  However I am not against everything being shard bound.  I collect shard bound items on Baja and GL.

Take shard bound off this event.

Smoot said:

if EM items were shard bound, it would only be realistic to have EMs and EM events on about 10 servers. 

the other shards local populations just dont warrant having an EM with the very low numbers that would show up if items couldnt be transferred.  (some shards have as little as 2-3 locals, but most around 10 for the low-pop shards)

Id be ok with items being shard bound only if:
there were a way to remove it (either 100m gold, or a uo store item)
if we could have a house on all shards so items could be displayed regardless of shard.

How did you determine a shards population?  Almost all the Shards have a full Luna and Castle spots with some open Keep spots.  So every one of those houses has a PAID account tied to it and you are saying that they do not deserve EM events.  So should their ROOF drops be done away with and under your reasoning then why should they have Power Scroll drops.  If you are going to disallow parts of UO to a shard based on population then you should disallow all UO content to that same shard.