Please remove the Ancient Treasure Chest Guardians!

I agree. The old system had a better balance. Top end items were in the top tier chests with the toughest guardians - and there was no need for those ancient guardian stuff. Now you have the most desirable items in the easiest chests. I guess those lame ancient guardians are a try to make those chests more challenging? idk tbh.. it was a good run until it got improved.

I did a few maps a few nights ago and was more than a little pissed at not only the failures to remove trap, 4 failures in a row but with a ridiculous guardian with some kind of insta poison BS.

I bet I have only done a handful of maps since the "upgrade". Complete failure. It used to be a fun pastime solo. 

With the way the timer and remove trap work now you are basically punished for being good at maps (player skill wise, not character skill wise).

I went to the trouble of getting GM remove trap and training up a fully skilled and very powerful Disco-Cu to solo maps.  I can kill the normal guardian spawn pretty quick, which means I am left to kill 8-10 ancient guardians afterwards, whereas someone who takes longer to kill the initial spawn might not have to kill any.  Completely backwards.

I am to the point where I do about 5 maps at a time, digging them up and killing the initial guardians then moving to the next one.  Once all 5 are dug up and the initial guardians are dead I cycle back through them to pick the lock , remove the trap and loot.  At least with this strategy I don't waste so much time with a tedious (broken IMO) game mechanic.

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Yeah, the fought scripters by making it random resources, etc etc.
Then the Tmap 'improvements'

Can't wait to see what they do with IDOCs lol

*shudders*

I dread the IDOC changes... really.... 
Scripters need to be dealt with, but changing IDOC is just gonna tick off half the legit players and make the other half rage-quit while the scripters take a few days to do a work-around if they don't figure it out on TC.

with 100 removing trap skill you shouldnt  get 4 rounds of guardians spawn with a cache tmaps ( only lvl 3 ).... really annoying to have 100 in this skill for nothing...so what do we do...we dont do them sadly

Unless you pay through the nose for them the only way to get the mysterious fragments used for the shrine battles is to dig up treasure chests.  So how many people can't do the shrine battles now because they refused to dig up chests? 

TimSt said:

Unless you pay through the nose for them the only way to get the mysterious fragments used for the shrine battles is to dig up treasure chests.  So how many people can't do the shrine battles now because they refused to dig up chests? 

I have 3 cloaks and 9 Tabards and only had 25 total Fragments.

The only reason you did not do the Mini Event on LS was because you chose not to.

the bigguest stupidity they made was asking 8 fragments for a shrine so person like me who ahve collect them earlier 1 per tmap have lost many precious time....now instead of getting one fragment on tmap you get 8... they should have made shrine battles at 1 fragments and tmap still dropping one fragments to be fair... the person who change it never tought any seconds this absursity

Uriah_Heep said:

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Yeah, the fought scripters by making it random resources, etc etc.
Then the Tmap 'improvements'

Can't wait to see what they do with IDOCs lol

And I bet the narrative how great and flawless it will be is already spelled out for the mods to apply xD

never tough about it ... ty covenantX

CovenantX said:

the grind setting in with t-maps already?   Take more maps with you and dig 2-3 or so up before you remove trap on the first one.  ez

Many of us are using this work around.  I’m sure more and more will convert....

So if we are all using a work around to avoid a mechanic, wouldn’t it just be a good quality of life improvement to just remove the mechanic and let players just do the maps without the extra guardians?  Maybe not completely, but with GM remove trap you should have some benefit from the skill.

Merus said:

CovenantX said:

the grind setting in with t-maps already?   Take more maps with you and dig 2-3 or so up before you remove trap on the first one.  ez

Many of us are using this work around.  I’m sure more and more will convert....

So if we are all using a work around to avoid a mechanic, wouldn’t it just be a good quality of life improvement to just remove the mechanic and let players just do the maps without the extra guardians?  Maybe not completely, but with GM remove trap you should have some benefit from the skill.

GM remove trap reduces the amount of time you need to wait if you want to avoid the extra guardians or want to avoid the trap randomly getting triggered.

TimSt said:

Merus said:

CovenantX said:

the grind setting in with t-maps already?   Take more maps with you and dig 2-3 or so up before you remove trap on the first one.  ez

Many of us are using this work around.  I’m sure more and more will convert....

So if we are all using a work around to avoid a mechanic, wouldn’t it just be a good quality of life improvement to just remove the mechanic and let players just do the maps without the extra guardians?  Maybe not completely, but with GM remove trap you should have some benefit from the skill.

GM remove trap reduces the amount of time you need to wait if you want to avoid the extra guardians or want to avoid the trap randomly getting triggered.

And if I’m doing multiple maps at GM remove trap to wait out the timer I still have after defeating the spawn guardians then having remove trap is pretty pointless... 

Don't care about the guardians, care more about the total lack of loot on Hoard and Trove chests.   In what game ever was the harder, more complex activity rewarded with less loot that the easy ones?  NONE.... accept UO.

MissE said:

Don't care about the guardians, care more about the total lack of loot on Hoard and Trove chests.   In what game ever was the harder, more complex activity rewarded with less loot that the easy ones?  NONE.... accept UO.

If only a developer listened to us... we've been screeming there is no loot since it was on TC... but moderators made sure half the feedback was deleted or moved where it isn't seen... thanks mods! I bet they don't even do t-maps more often than once a month tops.

On the topside it leaves me with more free time to spent on the forums 🙂

JollyJade said:

 I bet they don't even do t-maps more often than once a month tops.

Don't put money on that, you would lose it.

Some decisions remind me of the old greedy Dungeon Masters I used to play under, they would not dare reward players with items that might ruin "their campaign".

Mariah said:

JollyJade said:

 I bet they don't even do t-maps more often than once a month tops.

Don't put money on that, you would lose it.

Well something is definitely off out of sync between the developers and the reality in-game.

This is the second time there has been a significant downgrade in treasure map loot and the answer from the devs is "no it wasn't".  For those of us who do maps... lots of maps... dozens of maps a week... it is extremely obvious that the overall loot quality is significantly lower, but we routinely get ignored or placated with answers that are clearly wrong.

When the weather man says its sunny outside but when the people go outside and all they see is overcast sky who is wrong?  The weather man can look at his weather models and graphs and charts all day long... it still doesn't change the reality that the sun isn't shining.

Hey I would be happy with a 40% chance of good loot today, as long as there was plenty of notice.

Garth_Grey said:

Hey I would be happy with a 40% chance of good loot today, as long as there was plenty of notice.

LOL.

Well I think part of the disconnect is perhaps a lack of actual playing by the Devs.  Sure, the chests are dropping legendaries faster than they used to.  The other loot vanished tho except for specific chests...

And contrary to popular belief by the devs (or so it seems) Legendary tags do not make the item.  I've seen, before I quit em, many legendaries that would be great for a necro tamer swordsman, or some other such ridiculosity. 

But the odds of that actual "OMG!!!!!!!  Look at this!!!!!" item dropping, that have good mods for any sensible template,  seem to be even decreased from what it was.

Uriah_Heep said:

Garth_Grey said:

Hey I would be happy with a 40% chance of good loot today, as long as there was plenty of notice.

LOL.

Well I think part of the disconnect is perhaps a lack of actual playing by the Devs.  Sure, the chests are dropping legendaries faster than they used to.  The other loot vanished tho except for specific chests...

And contrary to popular belief by the devs (or so it seems) Legendary tags do not make the item.  I've seen, before I quit em, many legendaries that would be great for a necro tamer swordsman, or some other such ridiculosity. 

But the odds of that actual "OMG!!!!!!!  Look at this!!!!!" item dropping, that have good mods for any sensible template,  seem to be even decreased from what it was.

Yeah ... a legendary with no resists and 6 other mods at the lowest intensity doesn’t make the loot good just because it said legendary.  They might have made “legendary” a little (very little) more common, but the budget for most of them seems pitiful.

+1

the problem in the main post is not about the loot because now you can get many sots ans pinks and blue scrolls the problem is damn removing trap guardian with 100 removing trap skill popping and popping and popping and popping and popping and popping and popping did i say they popping a lot?

Fortis said:

the problem in the main post is not about the loot because now you can get many sots ans pinks and blue scrolls the problem is damn removing trap guardian with 100 removing trap skill popping and popping and popping and popping and popping and popping and popping did i say they popping a lot?

Each type of Map has a "timer", to my understanding.

If you wait the associated time with that type of Map depending on your removing trap skill level, a lot less (or even none) Guardians should spawn....

Sure, it is kind of a waste of time to sit there waiting that timer to expire but if the Guardians bother you so much then at least it is a way not to be bothered by them....

I cannot remember what the timers for each type of Maps are at 100.0 Remove Trap, though....

Does anyone else remember them ?

EDIT:
Check it out here http://www.uoguide.com/Treasure_Map

The annoying part is, that on Trove, Hoard and Cache the waiting time is significant.... 9 minutes on the Trove Maps to sit there and wait, doing nothing, 7 minutes for the Hoard Maps and 3 Minutes for the Cache Maps....

What is the "Decay" time on Treasure Chests ?

If one has to wait 9 long minutes on a Trove Map to avoid getting more Guardians to Spawn, ain't it that while doing that waiting the Chest would decay and go "poof" ?

100 Remove Trap: At 100 RT, using the skill starts a timer, similar to a Taming attempt. When the timer expires you will either succeed and the chest can be opened, or fail suffering unavoidable damage, and spawn an Ancient Guardian. After killing the AG, you can again attempt RT on the chest. This process can repeat multiple times depending on RNG and how quickly you have dispatched the Guardians and Ancient Guardians.

At 100 Remove Trap all chests have a "Safety Valve" where past that point no additional Ancient Guardians will spawn. The "Safety Valve" is a specific amount of time that must pass from when the chest was initially dug up and the first group of Guardians appeared.

Interestingly, if you kill off the initial Guardians, you can wait until the "Safety Valve" time has passed before attempting Remove Trap. By using this tactic, Remove Trap will succeed on the first attempt and no Ancient Guardian will spawn. Conversely, an Ancient Guardian will always spawn if your first Remove Trap attempt completes before the "Safety Valve" time.

100 Remove Trap
Chest	Time (s)
Stash	20
Supply	60
Cache	180
Hoard	420
Trove	540

Kirthag said:

*shudders*

I dread the IDOC changes... really.... 
Scripters need to be dealt with, but changing IDOC is just gonna tick off half the legit players and make the other half rage-quit while the scripters take a few days to do a work-around if they don't figure it out on TC.

not to derail the post here but what are these idoc changes? can you start another post with information on this? as a non scripter I am really curious quite honestly I dont know of a way to truly stop the scripters from getting the loot but i can think of ways to slow them down for example when a house falls its 15 minutes to 2 hours before you can place, do the same with the loot
make it 15 minutes to an hour before you can grab it

oh and BTW on topic I like the guardians they make treasure mapping partially challenging, please dont remove them chests are easy enough already.
if you dont want ot fight them dig up the chest, go do something else for 5 minutes (set a timer) come back and RT the chest it will untrap after a couple of attempts thats ridiculously easy 

What is challenging in fighting those Ancient guardians? They are the same monsters as the spawn after you dig up the chest. And they come one by one. The monster spawn after you dig up the chest is ok. They got loot, they got gold, they are somewhat challenging. But why do we need Ancient Treasure Chest Guardians? They are just a waste of time and the dedicated treasure hunters already go for the next map to avoid them. And 99% wouldnt miss them and be happy if they are gone.

Dasilva said:

Kirthag said:

*shudders*

I dread the IDOC changes... really.... 
Scripters need to be dealt with, but changing IDOC is just gonna tick off half the legit players and make the other half rage-quit while the scripters take a few days to do a work-around if they don't figure it out on TC.

not to derail the post here but what are these idoc changes? can you start another post with information on this? as a non scripter I am really curious quite honestly I dont know of a way to truly stop the scripters from getting the loot but i can think of ways to slow them down for example when a house falls its 15 minutes to 2 hours before you can place, do the same with the loot
make it 15 minutes to an hour before you can grab it

nothing's been officially posted, but ANY change to IDOC is going to not be pleasant... ANY change will only be a hiccup to the scripters.

there are really only a few programmatically ways to kill scripting - third party script sniffers (battleye.com is the foremost and one I've mentioned before) are not likely going to happen due to licensing issues with EA. So that leaves game mechanic changes - and I shudder thinking what they may come up with.

It will be fine.
What could possibly go wrong?