Put your houses on private or be banned.
Let people access vendors through the house sign.
Looks like I will be shutting down my vendors and free access to the repair station.
Ridiculous.
Completely.
If they meant anyone co0owned or friended, they should ahve said so. But communication has never been a real strong point, since Wilki left.
I have to many vendors to just shut down and go private, best I can do is reset the security of main doors and clear the friends listing, still that leaves the steps outside that door they can stand on to do this unattending BS
This is just insane! So now anyone can come into any public house and start yelling obscenities and vulgarities and have a house owner's account actioned? As written it's just that simple.
It may be time for me to come to the realization that I've spent way too much of my life and treasure inside an online fantasy world. My life, my wallet, my family and my health will all be the better for it.
Last break I stored as much as I could anticipating the obligatory eventual return. This time I'm gonna give some away and delete the rest.
This is a way to grief someone with a throwaway account by doing something in someones house and paging on themselves.
This is great cause for getting out the torches and pitchforks and head to the castle.
Hopefully they are not after skill training macros in public houses. One of my EJ accounts is in one of my houses using a totally EC macro that takes 5 hours to run to increase his spell weaving skill. I do keep an eye on the screen incase a GM shows up.
Anyone could make a new EJ account and start macroing in public Luna houses then report themselves from their main account.
Clearly they had the idea that they don't want people letting friends use their houses to break the ToS, but this VERY clearly was not thought through at all. As usual with this team... decent idea to start with... utter fail on execution.
TimSt said:I am thinking they are more concerned with macroing then obscenities in public houses. They did ban 142 accounts for macroing last month after all. One scenario I can think of is EJ account uses macros to mine ore, recalls to a public house, and drops the ore; then house account picks up the ore, smelts it, and stacks it. Multi-box macroing.
Hopefully they are not after skill training macros in public houses. One of my EJ accounts is in one of my houses using a totally EC macro that takes 5 hours to run to increase his spell weaving skill. I do keep an eye on the screen incase a GM shows up.
Maximus_Neximus said:TimSt said:I am thinking they are more concerned with macroing then obscenities in public houses. They did ban 142 accounts for macroing last month after all. One scenario I can think of is EJ account uses macros to mine ore, recalls to a public house, and drops the ore; then house account picks up the ore, smelts it, and stacks it. Multi-box macroing.
Hopefully they are not after skill training macros in public houses. One of my EJ accounts is in one of my houses using a totally EC macro that takes 5 hours to run to increase his spell weaving skill. I do keep an eye on the screen incase a GM shows up.Per the official UO EJ page:Endless Journey accounts cannot access mailboxes, locked down or secure containers, drop stackable items onto a locked down stack, or place auction safes. Endless Journey accounts cannot safe logout in housing and must use a city inn or tavern.Based on that, I doubt it's for miners.
In addition EJ accounts cannot mine anything but iron ore. Nobody is running an EJ account and resource gathering scripts. Iron and wood aren't worth enough.
@Mesanna I was about to open a casino/tavern/chicken fighting events on Atlantic shard
What do I do now? I am holding my breath and turning blue
I cant make my vendor houses private- Please clarify ASAP
Thanks
Queen Arya
Toad Town
Atlantic shard
Communication...the skill that BS never implemented

Hello Everyone,
Keep in mind this is not a change to the TOS, this is a change as to how we will handle macroers from this point forward. In case you haven’t read the newsletter for the past few months the numbers being banned are rising and we feel are out of control. Scripting/macroing needs to stop and this is the step in doing that . So this is how it will be handled in the future by the GM’s. This is not to punish the innocent but to catch the cheaters.
Moving forward, we are going to start noting the accounts of house owners where we have verified illicit activities taking place. Specifically, if we come across a situation where a group of macroers are holed up in a house doing whatever it is they are doing (skill gains, crafting etc) or a recall group dropping off resources in chests at a specific house (or houses), We are going to confirm the house owner from the house sign and then note that house-owner account about what the GM observed in the product account notes section of that house-owner account.
This way if someone is gaining ‘hidden’ benefits from a bot network or at the very least providing a safe haven for scripters they will end up getting actioned as well.
Thank you,
Bonnie “Mesanna” Armstrong
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It still seems fairly abuseable how they explained it, because frankly the house owner can't prove one way or another if they do or don't know the people macroing. It's the word of the house owner against the GMs as to whether or not it's some random person hanging out in their house without permission when they're not around.
Either I am prophetic or @Mesanna read my earlier comment because "Specifically, if we come across a situation where a group of macroers are holed up in a house doing whatever it is they are doing (skill gains, crafting etc) or a recall group dropping off resources in chests at a specific house (or houses), ". Both things I commented on.
I am going to chance it and go buy some mega millions lotto tickets. 🙂
Grief factor will be extreme.
Urge said:So if you don't like that ugly Luna shop just stick some throwaway accounts in it to macro and get caught.
Grief factor will be extreme.
Exactly.
I commented in General Chat last night about hating this...
And right away someone mentioned a former governor by name & said it was time to get rid of them.
but what I don't get is...
a group dropping off resources at one location.
The guild I am in, we occasionally go out and do resource gathering and bring everything back to one location.
And I go out and do pirates but bring them back to a house I am co-owned too.
in an hour last night, our guild did lot of pirates (I kinda lost track of how many we did, maybe 9 or 10) and every time I would recall back. so if someone thought that was suspicious, they could report me... and it would get noted on the home owners account... doesn't make sense.
First and foremost there needs to be something more than mere presence to connect the person violating the ToS and the house owner... something that shows a relation. Do they have access to containers? Are they friended to the house? Do they share the same master account? Do they share the same billing information? Without something to connect the two, the door is wide open for griefing.
However, I think the premise behind this is good. Finding the subscription accounts that are supporting the rampant abuse of the EJ or multiboxing accounts is a good thing... they are skill training and getting gear someplace. Finding the subscription accounts that are supporting the RMT business is a good thing... they are storing all of these good for sale somewhere. These would be a couple good applications of a policy that enables action against accounts who are linked to cheating even though that account might not be the exact account breaking the ToS.
And I wasn't aware that you weren't allowed to drop in a box.
I usually do that with loot, take it to luna house and use teleporter (open to public) to go to another place where it goes into a chest to sort later.
I wasn't aware a miner couldn't drop off ore into a box at their own home, if it is on the steps. Is the row behind the steps ok? Cause sometimes you just want to throw it in the box or bag and smelt later. Like when you have used the last shovel or pickaxe. (I ask because sometimes miners wait for their fire beetle to be bonded before taking it along for mining)
No offense, but that is something that quite often seems in short supply. After 22 years the concern being expressed by players is both warranted and justified.Mariah said:yes, that's understood - but you don't drop it in a box on the steps every few minutes 23/7 do you? Please trust that some common sense is going to be used. I do.
No, The 80 year old will respond to the GM within seconds and nothing noted. Obviously you play on LS. Home of the Octogenarians!Dasilva said:so basically the poor 80 year old guy who has had an account with UO for 22 years of his life and spent 1500 dollars a year in subscriptions and farms some ingots overnight so he can craft his weapons and armor cause it broke is gonna get slapped with a ban while the guy using illegal scanners that log into the subserver and record every house on the server instantly and then hauls off 5 thousand dollars worth of idoc loot to sell on his website with his 10 ej accounts is gonna be fine and dandy with no repercussions, or the guy or guys on atl that dupes all the tokens and then sells them , is someone getting kickbacks or something?
My 2 accounts were given legitimate email violation warnings for something that was happening at a house that I did not even own. Of course I tried to contest this and I was told by Mesanna herself, '... according to the notes this was your house so you approved of many accounts using your house to script.' I am sad to report this new policy is as bad as it looks. The fact my accounts were actioned and the producer of the game cannot tell that it was not even my house and won't allow me to contest the violations is a big YIKES.
I wish I could make this stuff up.
edit, adding this gem that was at the end of that email:
Again, it wasn't even my house lol and she won't give me a chance to contest the violations.
Cinderella said:They should allow vendors in private houses.
Let people access vendors through the house sign.
Looks like I will be shutting down my vendors and free access to the repair station.
They should allow vendors in private houses.
I TOTALLY agree !!
I have been saying that for years, I do not understand why on earth a Private House cannot have Vendors...
Aside from being accessable from the House sign, Vendors in a Private House could very well be placed on the House Doorsteps (ok, a limited number of them but still....) and be accessable likewise....
The real baddies, the ones we want gone, aare the Event dudes, the legendary farmers, the idoc scripters, and they aren't doing those things in a house LOL.
So the moneymakers get a pass (again) and the average Joe who stuck a matchstick in the keyboard to finish off spirit speak or heal or some SW spell while he went to the kitchen to get breaklfast will get banned.
Dasilva said:They didn't say they were going after ppl dropping off vacuumed loot they specifically mentioned the old dude farming ore overnight
That may be the primary reason but going after people dropping off vacuumed loot just got a lot easier as well.
It also means they can make resources static again if they so want to.
Killing four birds: resource scripters, skill raisers, idoc vacuumers, and static resouces; with one stone.
Dasilva said:is someone getting kickbacks or something?
Doctors have to abide by a code of ethics but make money from big pharm kickbacks prescribing certain drugs.
The world revolves around money. It wouldn't surprise me if they did get kickbacks nor would I shame anyone for bettering themselves.
Uriah_Heep said:EJ scripters cant drop in a box. Macro'ing/scripting in a house is only gonna be a feel good thing for them to ban, all most people can really do in a house is script macro skills...which is actually fairly harmless I think, doesn't affect anyone's gameplay.
Agreed. More accounts with cap skills means more players will actually be playing the game. For free accounts this means their free space will fill up more quickly leading to a sub for housing. For sub accounts this could mean another account open for additional space.
Maybe it's time the store stocked a total cap mythic type token. It would generate money and end all excuses for skill macroing.
Although I appreciate them letting us know they are "working" on something, clearly they are pushing them to being even more secretive and harder to catch.
What worries me more is some of the "GMs" that come to help, don't even understand how our game is played and I can't see myself trusting them to even type a string of numbers and transposing them and unintentionally marking someone else's account. Clearly one person above has said they are affected adversely.

In all fairUriah_Heep said:EJ scripters cant drop in a box. Macro'ing/scripting in a house is only gonna be a feel good thing for them to ban, all most people can really do in a house is script macro skills...which is actually fairly harmless I think, doesn't affect anyone's gameplay.
The real baddies, the ones we want gone, aare the Event dudes, the legendary farmers, the idoc scripters, and they aren't doing those things in a house LOL.
So the moneymakers get a pass (again) and the average Joe who stuck a matchstick in the keyboard to finish off spirit speak or heal or some SW spell while he went to the kitchen to get breaklfast will get banned.
In all fairness, @Mesanna did say, to my understanding (https://uo.com/2019/11/22/macroers-and-houses/) :
Specifically, if we come across a situation where a group of macroers are holed up in a house doing whatever it is they are doing (skill gains, crafting etc) or a recall group dropping off resources in chests at a specific house (or houses), We are going to confirm the house owner from the house sign and then note that house-owner account about what the GM observed in the product account notes section of that house-owner account.The relevant part to be noted, to my opinion, is where it is said : "...or a recall group dropping off resources in chests at a specific house (or houses)..."
The way I understand here, and if so, it is something which I totally agree with, what Broadsword is going to actively look for, is whether there is a number of "disposable" scripting accounts (EJ accounts or even veteran accounts but which have little to nothing to loose, if banned for scripting) which do the "dirt work", the scripted work to gather Resources, Legendaries or other Loot, and THEN benefit all these "against the TOS gotten items", to OTHER Ultima Online's Accounts which do not actively get involved in the scripting BUT, nonetheless, get the benefits from that....
And to me, it makes a whole lot of sense to ban ALSO these other accounts.....
Because, at least to my understanding, this is most often what scripters do.... they use accounts for scripting which they do not care about should they be found and banned, and then STORE all of the items obtained from Scripting, in "other" Accounts which do not engage in bannable activities in the game.
Of course that also these "other" Accounts which benefit from the "disposable" Accounts which do Script should be Banned.... or the sanction would have n "teeth".... so to speak....
Scripters already take into account that their scripting account can be banned if caught so, often, they use accounts which they can afford losing.... but their "Mains" which get to receive all of the items that were scripted, so to speak ?
That is an entire other story.... and if Broadsword is going to "track down" the Scripting accounts activities all the way to the Main Accounts which benefit from that against the TOS Scripting Activity and ban them too, well, THIS is surely going to make a change and finally work as a real deterrant against Scripting, finally.....
So, personally, as a player who has been against Scripting and all kinds of Cheating in UO from day one, and who saw many fellow players quit playing UO BECAUSE of the rampant scripting and cheating in it, I am totally on the side of @Mesanna, @Bleak, @Kyronix and the entire Broadsword Developing Team to go BEYOND the disposable Scripting Accounts and go to the Root of all this, all the way UP to the Main Accounts (that do not script, usually) which nonetheless benefit from the Activity of Scripting Account.
This is at least the way I see it.
Uriah_Heep said:EJ scripters cant drop in a box. Macro'ing/scripting in a house is only gonna be a feel good thing for them to ban, all most people can really do in a house is script macro skills...which is actually fairly harmless I think, doesn't affect anyone's gameplay.
The real baddies, the ones we want gone, aare the Event dudes, the legendary farmers, the idoc scripters, and they aren't doing those things in a house LOL.
So the moneymakers get a pass (again) and the average Joe who stuck a matchstick in the keyboard to finish off spirit speak or heal or some SW spell while he went to the kitchen to get breaklfast will get banned.
EJ scripters cant drop in a box.QUESTION.
For someone who has not even that much of an advanced knowledge about scripting, "how" tough is it to SCRIPT some actions like Recall with the EJ account to a safe place or right by a House's doorsteps ground and drop a bag with the scripted items/resources on the Ground and THEN script another account, subscribed, to pick it up and drop it into a container on a House doorsteps ?
It might involve a bit more of a complex Script but, after a knowledge player writes that Script and passes it over to other Scripters, voila', the "work around" is available to STILL use EJ Accounts to Script gather items AND then have another Account drop them into a container at a safe, Main Account House....
Makes sense.....TimSt said:Dasilva said:They didn't say they were going after ppl dropping off vacuumed loot they specifically mentioned the old dude farming ore overnightThat may be the primary reason but going after people dropping off vacuumed loot just got a lot easier as well.
It also means they can make resources static again if they so want to.
Killing four birds: resource scripters, skill raisers, idoc vacuumers, and static resouces; with one stone.
Because the Root to all problems or surely MOST of the problems in Ultima Online DOES IS the ability to Script a whole number of Activities.....
Kill Scripting would mean magically solving all at once all of these issues which have troubles UO for decades, not mere Years....
At least, that is how I see it.