Still Waiting On The Fix As Promised

It took like 2 comments and a handful of days to trash a lot of homes that used the bamboo tile feature. A lot of areas, including Luna on most shards, looks like hell. We were promised a fix. Where is it? It's been a long time tolerating this. I appreciate that all the lag deaths inside the walls of Luna have come to an end *grin* but it's time to complete this. To me it's far more important than anything else that's being worked on including whatever is up with the current in-game events. Thank you for you valuable time.

That awkward moment when you think visual aesthetics of unloaded houses is the most pressing matter in uo

Should of just revamped the house customization tool from the get go.  Crafted walls and shit so ppl could have rainbow houses... Lol

Better yet.  Remove house customization all together and introduce 200 prebuilt houses

It took them years to fix the bug, that forced us to see it.
And it caused major lag too...
(my old computer lagged horrible, a non-gamer computer with Windows 10)
(my new gamer computer doesn't lag, except a few times on Atlantic near these houses. the fix stopped that!!!)

I'm glad they fixed it.
Just wish they would fix the stairs from loading it...
Not everybody's homes were ugly, but some of them hurt my eyes.
Now they found away to force us to see them again...

Just give them time to implement it.
A couple months, is better than years...

They already "fixed" the stairs in Pub 105. And the bamboo "fix" was apparently so pressing that they actually did a hotfix for it. (Note, one of the animal taming exploits in the past that was being passed around publicly on the forums was not hotfixed, but scheduled to be fixed during the next patch cycle). 

This was not an issue that needed hotfixed. It should have been introduced in a normal patch cycle along side the option to toggle the display of public houses. We are now at Pub 105, where we were promised we would have that option, and yet there is still no option for it (at least they added text for the option in the cliloc?).

Not everyone that used bamboo tiles used to to display "unicorn puke vomit" or thousands of animated rares. They were actually the vast minority. The majority of people that used this used it to accent their house and to make certain deco visible like flowers and rubble pieces, or public crafting tables, crystal portals, etc.

Yes, I used the bamboo tiles to display crafted stone. We designed our houses with a theme of shadow iron granite and they were tastefully done. Most our houses were 15x15 or smaller and only 2 levels. Shadow iron granite is not an eyesore, unlike some of the tilesets that are available in the house customization tool (maybe we should all create giant crystal house monstrosities with flowing lava everywhere... that's a tileset available, so people must want to see that right?).

They should add all the colored granite as choices in the house customization tool. They already have all the art for it done and this would solve the main reason most people chose to use bamboo tiles (to design houses in colored granite).

FWIW I still have lag issues running around Atlantic Luna, even with these changes in place. The major cause of lag is actually the vendors/mannequins which are always visible and are often decked out with full sets of armor. Don't believe me? Run around the Trinsic swamp on Pacific and let all those vendors/mannequins load as you run by.

It is very disappointing the way they decided to implement this change. I am not holding my breath for the option to toggle houses as visible either. But should it actually be implemented, it won't matter because they will implement it with the default of not enabled (so houses don't load). Which is incredibly backwards from any other game that has performance improving options (i.e. you toggle options OFF to improve performance if needed).

Anyways, I know this is a sensitive topic for some and I'm sure I will get attacked for defending the use of bamboo tiles (Since it happens in every other thread about it).

Always interesting to hear people gripe even after the handful got their way lol. Peanut gallery aside, just asking for what was promised in a reasonable time frame. It's dragged on too long.

Lynk said:

That awkward moment when you think visual aesthetics of unloaded houses is the most pressing matter in uo

I miss the "unicorn puke vomit".  It always reminded me of the Fremont Street Experience in Las Vegas.

Captain_Lucky said:

Always interesting to hear people gripe even after the handful got their way lol.

Tbf, it's always the same other small handful that champions the public display.  Empty statistics are empty.

I thought i hated the retina piercing orange but the plain bamboo looks even worse.

Ivenor said:

For what it matters and considering that I don't like liars, as a, small as it is, concrete form of protest and boycott, I will "vote with my wallet", and, as 07/19, I will suspend the payment for half of my Accounts until the Team will keep the promise.

In advise the players that are against the way in which this issue is (mis)handled to do the same.

Can i have ur stuff?

Ivenor said:

The point here now is NOT to be for or against the BF "fix": each one of us has, as today, repeated ad nauseam his opinion on the issue.

The point is that at 03/25/19 the Team FORMALLY PROMISED that a "see/don't see switch" would had been implemented with the release of Forgotten Treasures.

FT had its WWR at 06/18/19 and the switch is NOT there.

For what it matters and considering that I don't like liars, as a, small as it is, concrete form of protest and boycott, I will "vote with my wallet", and, as 07/19, I will suspend the payment for half of my Accounts until the Team will keep the promise.

In advise the players that are against the way in which this issue is (mis)handled to do the same.

I think you and I have a different definition of 'liar'.  I'm sure the team have developed the promised 'switch', but developing a function and having work as intended in UO code isn't always straightforward, as we all know very well. If I promise to attend a meeting at a certain time and place and then my transport breaks down, or some family emergency crops up and I don't attend, am I a liar?

When all is said and done, this is a 'vanity' item, it's not game play essential, a short delay should be acceptable on something that the majority of players see as totally unnecessary anyway. I think it is unique in that they are providing a work around for people who were extensively using an exploit.  Most exploit uses would not be treated so sympathetically, nor would we expect them to  be.

Petra_Fyde said:

Ivenor said:

The point here now is NOT to be for or against the BF "fix": each one of us has, as today, repeated ad nauseam his opinion on the issue.

The point is that at 03/25/19 the Team FORMALLY PROMISED that a "see/don't see switch" would had been implemented with the release of Forgotten Treasures.

FT had its WWR at 06/18/19 and the switch is NOT there.

For what it matters and considering that I don't like liars, as a, small as it is, concrete form of protest and boycott, I will "vote with my wallet", and, as 07/19, I will suspend the payment for half of my Accounts until the Team will keep the promise.

In advise the players that are against the way in which this issue is (mis)handled to do the same.

I think you and I have a different definition of 'liar'.  I'm sure the team have developed the promised 'switch', but developing a function and having work as intended in UO code isn't always straightforward, as we all know very well. If I promise to attend a meeting at a certain time and place and then my transport breaks down, or some family emergency crops up and I don't attend, am I a liar?

When all is said and done, this is a 'vanity' item, it's not game play essential, a short delay should be acceptable on something that the majority of players see as totally unnecessary anyway. I think it is unique in that they are providing a work around for people who were extensively using an exploit.  Most exploit uses would not be treated so sympathetically, nor would we expect them to  be.

You have no way of knowing what the majority of players want lol. I guess you never went to the meet and greet where we were getting organized and protesting. That was just getting going and we backed off cause we were promised a fix. It was never an exploit and you know it. It was never stated to be an exploit. That aside... doesn't matter if you hate it or love it. Doesn't matter if it's one person or a thousand. It's over, the promise was made. I expected a fix as quickly as it took to hose everything up. Or the change shouldn't be implemented. The bandaids of safes showing and such are not a solution. We just want everyone to know this is a priority concern for a huge number of reasons I won't rehash. The way the game looks is an embarrassment and we have in no way forgotten what we were promised. This isn't an Atlantic Pirate Flag situation. It effecting many numerous aspects of the game in a very negative way.

Captain_Lucky said:

I guess you never went to the meet and greet where we were getting organized and protesting. That was just getting going and we backed off cause we were promised a fix. [...]
The way the game looks is an embarrassment

You mean that one guy with his 10+ accounts?

For the second part, many home owners don't seem to care, as they rather leave empty bamboo plots than building some nice looking and visible houses. It's been lots of weeks and it seems it's just their choice.

The houses will stay that way for most players even after the switch gets implemented. It's really the home owner to blame and nobody else.

JollyJade said:

Ivenor said:

For what it matters and considering that I don't like liars, as a, small as it is, concrete form of protest and boycott, I will "vote with my wallet", and, as 07/19, I will suspend the payment for half of my Accounts until the Team will keep the promise.

In advise the players that are against the way in which this issue is (mis)handled to do the same.

Can i have ur stuff?

@JollyJade - You surely not! 😂

So I just would like to say that the "Display Public House Contents" toggle is currently still in testing. We had originally scheduled for this feature to go out in Publish 105 but my little one decided to come early and we had to push this feature so that it could be properly tested. I would like to thank you for your patience as we finalize these new options in both clients.

Bleak said:

So I just would like to say that the "Display Public House Contents" toggle is currently still in testing. We had originally scheduled for this feature to go out in Publish 105 but my little one decided to come early and we had to push this feature so that it could be properly tested. I would like to thank you for your patience as we finalize these new options in both clients.

Thanks @Bleak for the feedback and best wishes for the family! 🙂

Congrats Bleak

As for the rest I stop listening when anyone starts talking for "the majority of players" with out proof. 

Bleak said:
Thanks for the update, and grats on the little one! I know our dev team is busy with life and High Seas stuff, but info like this goes a long way.

JollyJade said:

For the second part, many home owners don't seem to care, as they rather leave empty bamboo plots than building some nice looking and visible houses. It's been lots of weeks and it seems it's just their choice.

The houses will stay that way for most players even after the switch gets implemented. It's really the home owner to blame and nobody else.

This is a very polarizing topic that I have no desire to get into again, but please do not assume that because there are still many houses with the bamboo means those owners do not care. Everyone who used the bamboo tiles does indeed care, or they would not have used it in the first place.

I know several players (role players and artists who are upset for reasons the ''winners'' do not understand) who have simply left the bamboo and have taken a break from UO. Also, several houses with bamboo are renting vendors, and simply can't be corrected until every single vendor is removed. Others are waiting to see what the promised fix will actually entail before rebuilding their entire home. Other homes are on a rotating payment cycle and are not accessible yet. There are many reasons.

@Bleak

Bleak said:

So I just would like to say that the "Display Public House Contents" toggle is currently still in testing. We had originally scheduled for this feature to go out in Publish 105 but my little one decided to come early and we had to push this feature so that it could be properly tested. I would like to thank you for your patience as we finalize these new options in both clients.

Thanks for sharing that AWESOME news! Congratulations on the birth of your child, I hope the mom and new baby are both healthy, and doing well. 🙂

Bleak said:

So I just would like to say that the "Display Public House Contents" toggle is currently still in testing. We had originally scheduled for this feature to go out in Publish 105 but my little one decided to come early and we had to push this feature so that it could be properly tested. I would like to thank you for your patience as we finalize these new options in both clients.

See? If I didn't complain we wouldn't have gotten some great UO gossip lol

Luc_of_Legends said:

Before getting bent, put yourself in the dev shoes.. i am not a cheerleader for the dev.  As my granny would say, "Patience is virtue, honey"

I'm with you on your overall post, but I did want to comment on this one line.

If you indicate a deadline to your client and are going to slip that deadline, the adjusted milestone should be communicated. We aren't owed an explanation as to the why just a simple "X feature will not be implemented within the timeframe previously indicated due to testing complications. We will be pushing this feature back to Y patch" 

Karyn you are right about the deadline. One thing i have learn about programmers.. We are not the best communicators.  My Technical Writing class got a whole class session lecture on this and professor Emmons was determine to change that one class at a time.

Luc_of_Legends said:

Karyn you are right about the deadline. One thing i have learn about programmers.. We are not the best communicators.  My Technical Writing class got a whole class session lecture on this and professor Emmons was determine to change that one class at a time.

Typically we would see this communicated by the project manager or rather in this case the product manager. Does Broadsword have someone in the PM role?

Mesanna is the Development Lead.  I would guess that would make her product manager. I understand we have a small team.  Not 100% sure all the job duties.

Karyn said:

Does Broadsword have someone in the PM role?

Small team, most like is the Dark Lady herself.
BS does need help with PR and marketing - but I promised not to beat that drum anymore.

@Bleak ;
Congrats on the little one! No need to explain the reasoning - but am glad to know the Devs have a life away from the code. 🙂

Ivenor said:

The point here now is NOT to be for or against the BF "fix": each one of us has, as today, repeated ad nauseam his opinion on the issue.

The point is that at 03/25/19 the Team FORMALLY PROMISED that a "see/don't see switch" would had been implemented with the release of Forgotten Treasures.

FT had its WWR at 06/18/19 and the switch is NOT there.

For what it matters and considering that I don't like liars, as a, small as it is, concrete form of protest and boycott, I will "vote with my wallet", and, as 07/19, I will suspend the payment for half of my Accounts until the Team will keep the promise.

In advise the players that are against the way in which this issue is (mis)handled to do the same.

Only half your accounts?

Petra_Fyde said:

When all is said and done, this is a 'vanity' item, it's not game play essential, a short delay should be acceptable on something that the majority of players see as totally unnecessary anyway. I think it is unique in that they are providing a work around for people who were extensively using an exploit.  Most exploit uses would not be treated so sympathetically, nor would we expect them to  be.

The way you keep classifying this as an exploit is sad.  I know you think the developers can do no wrong but come on.

This feature was in the game for years.  The devs did not notice this exploit for years?  And what is being exploited?  Is lag at an EM event an exploit also?  We better stop allowing a large group to concentrate at and event because that is an exploit of my bandwidth. 

Now they are going to add a switch to bring this exploit back!

Are they going to add a switch for other exploits so I can lower my pets slots or dupe items?

How many other games bring exploits back since you want to be the exploit authority?

So any BUG/EXPLOIT/DUPE/WHATEVER after being in the game for X amount of time should be considered a feature/intended and never be fixed no matter what.

Bilbo said:

So any BUG/EXPLOIT/DUPE/WHATEVER after being in the game for X amount of time should be considered a feature/intended and never be fixed no matter what.

Call it what it is.  We are removing a feature in the game that has unintended game consequences.
(sorry we do not monitor the product we produce so it took many years for us to notice this.)

Usually they do leave it in or make a way to do it still.  Black Dye tubs. White dye tubs. Metallic dye tubs were all made resulting from bugs.  The black and white tubs were added quickly.

There are plenty of actual bugs that need to be fixed. Carpentry BODs that do not bribe up as an example.

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

So any BUG/EXPLOIT/DUPE/WHATEVER after being in the game for X amount of time should be considered a feature/intended and never be fixed no matter what.

Call it what it is.  We are removing a feature in the game that has unintended game consequences.
(sorry we do not monitor the product we produce so it took many years for us to notice this.)

 LOL!  Glad I wasnt' drinking something when I saw that.  But quoted for truth.

And yes, if you leave it in the game for years...then leave it in the damned game.  Period.  

Uriah_Heep said:

And yes, if you leave it in the game for years...then leave it in the damned game.  Period.  

Whoa! Uriah off the leash 😂

So then Multiboxing is legal according to you guys or how about duping those were both unchecked for years or better yet scripting and lumber/ingot spawn should be put back they way it was because it was that way for years before the FIX

Don't give a fliip about boxing, really, anymore.  Just don't care, it happens and still is happening.
Duping will always be around, I buy from dupers and so does everyone else, it too, is now part of the game,
There was no fix, there was randomization that favored scripters over players, but there was no fix of resources...don't iknow where you heard that.
The only fix involved inthat was insuring that the scripters were the only ones who would have resources available to sell

Bilbo said:

So then Multiboxing is legal according to you guys or how about duping those were both unchecked for years or better yet scripting and lumber/ingot spawn should be put back they way it was because it was that way for years before the FIX

Where did you learn to read?  Multiboxing has always been against the ToS. Scripting, Duping. Ditto.  Diablo. Toss up an item and potion and you dupe the item.  Games have fought duping since day 1.  

Placing in game items in your house is not against the rules.... (until recently)

Finding multiboxers and scripters in random places is not easy.  The devs never walked around Luna????

Here are the recent actions.  Notice someone was busted for house design.  Making your house block another persons ability to see their own house can get you in trouble.  First you get a warning and time to remove the items that were paged upon.  But if a player does not care if their neighbor has overhanging objects then those will stay unless some local cop comes by and pages.

The following are actions taken on accounts that were banned or suspended during the month of May:

6   - Disruptive Behavior
19 - Macroing 
2   - Solicitation
1   - Illegal house design
4   - Multiboxing

I have heard of Mulitboxing but I am not sure I know what it is. Can anyone explain what it is? I will also try to search it on the web.

Multiboxing is the use of a third party program to control multiple incidences of UO through a single keyboard and mouse, performing the same action simultaneously. - eg if there are 6 characters on line and the player casts a spell, all 6 characters cast the same spell on the same target at the same time.

@Mariah thank you for making this clear to me. The reason I asked is because I was accused of multiboxing, which I had not heard of, and wanted to make sure I was not doing anything that went against the ToS. If I had to be with out my daily UO fix I would suffer from withdrawal something feirce. <span></span>

Is this thread actually a thing?

Dukarlo said:

Is this thread actually a thing?

And this, IN MY OPINION, still is a total lack of respect for A LOT of PAYING players.

Arron said:

Ivenor said:

The point here now is NOT to be for or against the BF "fix": each one of us has, as today, repeated ad nauseam his opinion on the issue.

The point is that at 03/25/19 the Team FORMALLY PROMISED that a "see/don't see switch" would had been implemented with the release of Forgotten Treasures.

FT had its WWR at 06/18/19 and the switch is NOT there.

For what it matters and considering that I don't like liars, as a, small as it is, concrete form of protest and boycott, I will "vote with my wallet", and, as 07/19, I will suspend the payment for half of my Accounts until the Team will keep the promise.

In advise the players that are against the way in which this issue is (mis)handled to do the same.

Only half your accounts?

Maybe that will be the next fix they will implement. Not allowing people to turn of accounts off for months at a time without fear of loss. Just saying. That is a lot of money loss. Imagine the hardware memory and the lag that could be reduced if those accounts were allowed to fall after a couple of weeks of not paying their subscription, not allowed to have a free ride for months at a time. Just saying.

Arron said:

Maybe that will be the next fix they will implement. Not allowing people to turn of accounts off for months at a time without fear of loss. Just saying. That is a lot of money loss. Imagine the hardware memory and the lag that could be reduced if those accounts were allowed to fall after a couple of weeks of not paying their subscription, not allowed to have a free ride for months at a time. Just saying.

Arron said:

Maybe that will be the next fix they will implement. Not allowing people to turn of accounts off for months at a time without fear of loss. Just saying. That is a lot of money loss. Imagine the hardware memory and the lag that could be reduced if those accounts were allowed to fall after a couple of weeks of not paying their subscription, not allowed to have a free ride for months at a time. Just saying.

Instead of making people pay 12 times a year, it might cause those people to quit paying the 4 times a year that they do pay.  Equal a net loss, instead of the net increase.

Yall don't get too greedy, it might cost yua in the long run

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