Focus what is it good for??

Seriously.   Sis and I both have chars that have had this skill and stoned it.  I have been told its useless and then told that you need it on on Pure Paladins and Sampire/Whammy chars.   Well serious someone tell me what its good for and which chars can and can't use.

I run Focus/Med on my Mystic/Mage but none of my Pallies have it.

Bilbo said:

I run Focus/Med on my Mystic/Mage but none of my Pallies have it.

TY @Mariah

Mariah said:

For warriors focus is their equivelant of meditation, for mystics it is the equivelant of evaluate intelligence.

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/focus/

@Mariah ; @Bilbo

"I run Focus/Med on my Mystic/Mage but none of my Pallies have it."

Paladins are not Warriors ?

Why would they then not need Focus ?

Also, 1 Paladin is not enough ?
What is the point of having several ?

@popps    OMG What do you think a Paladin is and what game are you playing.  Go to TC and create a new char and select paladin and see what you get.  Please stop posting before you do some research and how many different warrior classes do you think there are in UO, I know of 5 pure warrior classes but we already know that you don't know what they are.  Do you even bother to look at links that people post for you?

Thank you everyone.  Now that I understand what to do with Focus.    Next question I am retooling a char that started life as a Macer-Archer, then I dumped archery to turn him into a Sampire/Whammy char.  Should I put focus on his template...The proposed Template is 120 Bush, 120 Macing, 120 Parry, 100 Tactics, 100 anatomy, then 60 Chiv, IDK Necro, then I was thinking focus, or resist spells or healing.  I though it'd be cool make this char useful again. 

IMHO Focus on any warrior built is a waste of a skill. I do not have the Bush but I do have Resist and Heal.  Mace/sword/Fence toe to toe unless I am taking massive damage then my Stam is not affected so I do not need the Stam regen and if I am taking massive damage then I bit off more than I can chew and get the hell out of dodge.

Bilbo said:

@ popps    OMG What do you think a Paladin is and what game are you playing.  Go to TC and create a new char and select paladin and see what you get.  Please stop posting before you do some research and how many different warrior classes do you think there are in UO, I know of 5 pure warrior classes but we already know that you don't know what they are.  Do you even bother to look at links that people post for you?

popps said:

@ Mariah  @ Bilbo

"I run Focus/Med on my Mystic/Mage but none of my Pallies have it."

Paladins are not Warriors ?

popps said:

" OMG What do you think a Paladin is and what game are you playing."

I had always known that Paladins WERE Warriors....

You sure could have fooled me with your stupid remark.  This is your typical posting style, making a stupid statement and then putting a ? with it like you think the person that you quoted said that well guess what I never said Pallies were not Warriors and you wounder why people get so mad at you everytime.  Stop trying to put words in peoples mouths.  Now I will await your typical BLAH BLAH BLAH remark.

Focus gives 1 mr per 20 skill points where med gives 1 per 10. Joat is included. 

Which I choose depends if I have extra space and if my suit is medable or not. 

Focus also gives Stam regen.

Bilbo said:

popps said:

@ Mariah  @ Bilbo

"I run Focus/Med on my Mystic/Mage but none of my Pallies have it."

Paladins are not Warriors ?

popps said:

" OMG What do you think a Paladin is and what game are you playing."

I had always known that Paladins WERE Warriors....

You sure could have fooled me with your stupid remark.  This is your typical posting style, making a stupid statement and then putting a ? with it like you think the person that you quoted said that well guess what I never said Pallies were not Warriors and you wounder why people get so mad at you everytime.  Stop trying to put words in peoples mouths.  Now I will await your typical BLAH BLAH BLAH remark.

Calm down. These idiotic fights are what drive new players and casual players away from the game. Drop the condescension and try to have an adult conversation with people. I do not care if the person made an ignorant or incorrect comment. You are incredibly out of line and this kind of behavior is the bane of online communities.

Curious in a mystic build, do both meditation and focus stack their mana regeneration?

I returned back after 15 years of break and focus for warrior is still useless. If you look around noone would suggest you a skill template with focus inside for warriors.

Lacrima said:

I returned back after 15 years of break and focus for warrior is still useless. If you look around noone would suggest you a skill template with focus inside for warriors.

This is actually no longer true. 

Even mages now will use focus:
non medable armor has an additional lower mana cost bonus, this is hidden from returning players because uo thinks you're worthless and doesn't value your custom. 

Non medable armor provides lower mana cost (with the exception of woodland armor). Each piece of armor up to five pieces will provide a percentage which is not subject to the lower mana cost cap of 40. The armor pieces which provide the most lower mana cost will take priority.

1. Platemail, ringmail, chainmail, and dragon armor provides 1% of lower mana cost per piece.
2. Studded leather, hide armor, stone armor and bone armor provides 3% of lower mana cost per piece.

Also, non medable armor can be refined. https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/gameplay/crafting/armor-refinement/

thank you for this clarification. But look at my character for example: she is 110 swords, 110 tactics, 110 anatomy, 100 healing, 90 res spell, 89 parrying, 60 chivalry (res spell, parring, chivalry are growing up). Why should I put in focus? I know this could seem a useless template for modern UO but I want to make again experience before creating an hybrid character. 

Lacrima said:

thank you for this clarification. But look at my character for example: she is 110 swords, 110 tactics, 110 anatomy, 100 healing, 90 res spell, 89 parrying, 60 chivalry (res spell, parring, chivalry are growing up). Why should I put in focus? I know this could seem a useless template for modern UO but I want to make again experience before creating an hybrid character. 

1. I can't see a good reason to add Focus to that specific template. 100% Hit Mana Leech weapons will return far more mana than Focus. Full studded/bone type armors will allow you to get to 55% Lower Mana Cost and chain specials almost constantly. Full metal armor will prevent more Stamina loss than Focus will ever return. Armor & weapon combos will probably vary depending on encounter and personal playstyle.

2. Your character is hardly useless. If you can find someone to x-heal with, you're golden, even at 6x100 1x120.

For solo, you could take all those skills to 120, then swap healing/resist as needed by encounter using Soulstones. Or, if you can find the gear, go 7x120.

With or without Healing, you can use 100% Hit Life Leech Weapons, 4/6 casting with Chiv, and potions for heals. Get you're timing down and you might be surprised what you can fight.

Arroth_Thaiel said:

1. I can't see a good reason to add Focus to that specific template. 100% Hit Mana Leech weapons will return far more mana than Focus. Full studded/bone type armors will allow you to get to 55% Lower Mana Cost and chain specials almost constantly. Full metal armor will prevent more Stamina loss than Focus will ever return. Armor & weapon combos will probably vary depending on encounter and personal playstyle.

2. Your character is hardly useless. If you can find someone to x-heal with, you're golden, even at 6x100 1x120.

For solo, you could take all those skills to 120, then swap healing/resist as needed by encounter using Soulstones. Or, if you can find the gear, go 7x120.

With or without Healing, you can use 100% Hit Life Leech Weapons, 4/6 casting with Chiv, and potions for heals. Get you're timing down and you might be surprised what you can fight.

Thank you for answering and thanks for your suggestions 🙂
Yes I know several good people who told me ways to 120 but I'm not ready yet to go find them. 
I didn't understand what you mean with get your timing down, sorry maybe it's my fault because I'm not English mother language 🙂 

Lacrima said:

... 
I didn't understand what you mean with get your timing down, sorry maybe it's my fault because I'm not English mother language 🙂 

I just meant to choose wisely when and how you heal. You don't want to drink a potion at the wrong time while you're applying a bandage, or you may find yourself injured, waiting on the next bandage to apply and not yet able to drink another potion, etc.  

oh you are right for sure, thank you.

Despite the official skill page calling it the “Warrior’s Meditation Skill”, I do not use Focus on any Melee fighters and have never heard of anyone with a good template that uses this on a Melee fighter.   They do not belong on Sampires, Paladins etc.  If you're a Paladin, you should have some type of Leach on your weapon for mana and you can use Divine Fury to boost Stamina.  There are much better ways to spend your skill points.  I would strongly recommend against using Focus on a Melee Fighter. 

I have Focus on my characters that have Mysticism for the obvious reason that it influences damage output.  Beyond that, I have a Wraith Archer that puts a premium on mana regeneration so I have a small amount of Focus skill points (40) in there, noting that this is generally a specialty template I only use for a small handful of encounters.   Those aside, I typically only use this skill on my characters while they're training and turn the arrow down once it hits GM.   

Focus is important for maintaining stamina. You can keep full stamina by other means without Focus through the use of the right equipment that has Stamina Increase and Regeneration, weapons with Stamina Leech and as a Paladin, using Divine Fury. Although the following picture I show is of my Sampire, my Paladin Archer is suited up very closely the same. He spends most of his time at sea, having started life as a fisherman. 120 Fishing is soul stoned for 120 Healing when fighting pirates and beacons. He has 120 Anatomy, Chivalry, Archery, Tactics, Healing and Resist Magic when not fishing and instead is fighting orcs, pirates and others. My Focus is stored away because this set up seems to ensure I do not need it. My bows at sea have life and mana leech, slayer property, full swing speed increase, and damage increase. Only when I am hit do I lose some stamina, but it is acceptable. If fighting on land and not at range on my ship, I will replace my bows with those that have Stamina Leech as opposed to Life Leech. Of course, this is my luxury as an old player that began the game as a crafter. I can make what my warriors need to specification without Focus. If I couldn't there is that time when you need it on you. Make sense?

LordJJOliver said:

Bilbo said:

popps said:

@ Mariah  @ Bilbo

"I run Focus/Med on my Mystic/Mage but none of my Pallies have it."

Paladins are not Warriors ?

popps said:

" OMG What do you think a Paladin is and what game are you playing."

I had always known that Paladins WERE Warriors....

You sure could have fooled me with your stupid remark.  This is your typical posting style, making a stupid statement and then putting a ? with it like you think the person that you quoted said that well guess what I never said Pallies were not Warriors and you wounder why people get so mad at you everytime.  Stop trying to put words in peoples mouths.  Now I will await your typical BLAH BLAH BLAH remark.

Calm down. These idiotic fights are what drive new players and casual players away from the game. Drop the condescension and try to have an adult conversation with people. I do not care if the person made an ignorant or incorrect comment. You are incredibly out of line and this kind of behavior is the bane of online communities.

Bilbo I have been reading a few of your comments in regards to what people say, and I am concerned of your rough behaviour and unfair words. We are all different in how we communicate, however I see no need to be unkind. If I wasn't thick skinned, I would not join the forums and post, I would be to scared to ask for help, or advice in fear of being bullied, I would like to enjoy the experience of such a classic game and I know I will need the help of many players, because I am a complete loveable NUB. I once hear from a very beautiful lady "Be Kind, it is easy to be kind" Whether we are Male or Female, we can be kind, and strive to be patient with others.

 😂 

Ben said:

Focus is important for maintaining stamina. You can keep full stamina by other means without Focus through the use of the right equipment that has Stamina Increase and Regeneration, weapons with Stamina Leech and as a Paladin, using Divine Fury. Although the following picture I show is of my Sampire, my Paladin Archer is suited up very closely the same. He spends most of his time at sea, having started life as a fisherman. 120 Fishing is soul stoned for 120 Healing when fighting pirates and beacons. He has 120 Anatomy, Chivalry, Archery, Tactics, Healing and Resist Magic when not fishing and instead is fighting orcs, pirates and others. My Focus is stored away because this set up seems to ensure I do not need it. My bows at sea have life and mana leech, slayer property, full swing speed increase, and damage increase. Only when I am hit do I lose some stamina, but it is acceptable. If fighting on land and not at range on my ship, I will replace my bows with those that have Stamina Leech as opposed to Life Leech. Of course, this is my luxury as an old player that began the game as a crafter. I can make what my warriors need to specification without Focus. If I couldn't there is that time when you need it on you. Make sense?

Lol I found it funny how this dude comes in flexing his suit , as if it has any input or benefit towards what the OP was even asking . 

Early essays I read often recommended players starting out as warriors include focus in their templates, but nowdays I very rarely see it in recommended templates and I don’t use it in any of mine.  Think it’s operation is similar to meditation for mages but over the years unlike meditation it has been replaced by other combat skills. Maybe might be useful for a resource gather that carries a lot of weight and usually overweight.  Focus might help the overweight traveler to walk a little further.

Arnold7 said:

Early essays I read often recommended players starting out as warriors include focus in their templates, but nowdays I very rarely see it in recommended templates and I don’t use it in any of mine.  Think it’s operation is similar to meditation for mages but over the years unlike meditation it has been replaced by other combat skills. Maybe might be useful for a resource gather that carries a lot of weight and usually overweight.  Focus might help the overweight traveler to walk a little further.

A few reasons,  Sampire templates are packed.  Armor and other items can have mana regen.

Sampires and other warriors want to inflict as much damage as possible on a target as fast as possible to reduce the opponents stamina and cause a quick death.  Two handed weapons can have 80+ Mana leech.

Instead of Mana regen through Focus, you use the Mana leech from weapon, which is much faster when you do high damage on each hit.

I have as much Focus as possible on my Archers because their weapons do not have high Mana Leech.
But my templates are also packed with other skills.

That is a nice example of an Imbued suit.  Put on the Balron Chest and the Vambraces and they will have closer to 150 Str for more damage.