Triton Statue "instructions" for proper use : can someone please point me to them ?

I just learned, AFTER having claimed a Triton from a Statue, that, in order to get the spawned Triton with some particular ability, the Statue needs to be activated in the TOKUNO facet....

Since I clearly must have missed the official instructions where this is stated and whether there is "other" specialties in regards to where to claim a Statue, where to activate a Statue to spawn a Triton etc. etc. (proper instructions for use, that is...), may I please ask to someone to kindly point me to such official notes about the Triton statue and its proper use, where to claim it, where to activate it, etc. etc. depending on what type of Triton the player might want to spawn and so forth.

Thank you very much.

wut?

While trying the Pet Planner for a Triton at Pet Planner | uo-cah.com

I got this message :

Caution: You have a Tokuno ability selected. Make sure your statue was opened in Tokuno Islands to correctly see the ability on your pet.

and amazingly from that same site that you visited at 9am was this note

• If you open the Triton Statuette in Tokuno Islands, you can train it with Bushido/Ninjitsu Magicals

Please feel free to show us any official guide put out by the devs that really tells us how to do anything all those guides that you want links to were made by the players playing and testing the game and you were even on one of the best pet guides there is and it is free to use.

popps said:

I just learned, AFTER having claimed a Triton from a Statue, that, in order to get the spawned Triton with some particular ability, the Statue needs to be activated in the TOKUNO facet....

Since I clearly must have missed the official instructions where this is stated and whether there is "other" specialties in regards to where to claim a Statue, where to activate a Statue to spawn a Triton etc. etc. (proper instructions for use, that is...), may I please ask to someone to kindly point me to such official notes about the Triton statue and its proper use, where to claim it, where to activate it, etc. etc. depending on what type of Triton the player might want to spawn and so forth.

Thank you very much.

Instructions: Double-click statue to spawn a Triton. I don't think we need official documentation from the developers on that one.

In regards to what the Triton can train, its spawn range, damage type, stats etc. None of this was ever disclosed "officially" by the devs, nor has it been disclosed "officially" for any other pet in the game. You find this information by playing the game or leaning on others as a resource. This is an MMO and part of the game is player discovery.

You can do all the testing yourself if you want to know about a new feature, pet, etc. There are also many resources created by players that do this discovery process for you, so you just have to read those resources to learn.

You seem to reject any answer given to you by players (on any subject) and demand an answer come directly from a developer or it doesn't count.

During the Khaldun Halloween event, for example, there was a great quest released that required detective work and puzzle solving to complete the quest. The devs did not release a step-by-step guide for how to complete this quest (nor do I feel they should have). Players came together to solve this quest, and then guides were made available on fansites for those that wanted to fast track the quest and not experience the content.

There are also elements common in many video games called "Easter Eggs". These are typically hidden features, jokes, messages, etc. that act as their own reward for players that discover them. 

If you want to remove all aspect of learning the game and new content and figuring stuff out, there are many resources out there to help you do that, you just need to use those resources. The devs are not going to hand-hold and give step-by-step instructions for every little thing in the game. Like it or not, you need to learn to rely on the players that do testing and post the information, and not always demand direct answers from developers.

If you do have questions for developers, there are Meet & Greets every month where you can go and ask a question or two to get an answer from them

In regards to the Triton being spawned in Tokuno enabling it to get Bushido/Ninjitsu, this was discovered after it went live to all shards. It was brought to the Devs attention privately to ask if it was intended or not. After we were told this is OK, this information was then made publicly available on our website and other sites. 

Learn to use the resources that others spend the time to put together. Not everything released by the devs will have a line by line instruction manual for how to operate.

WOW  Well said @Khyro

popps said:

I just learned, AFTER having claimed a Triton from a Statue, that, in order to get the spawned Triton with some particular ability, the Statue needs to be activated in the TOKUNO facet....

This is untrue.  A newly spawned Triton only has the healing ability.

This has been in the UO wiki for over 2 years.

Bushido and Ninjitsu

Only creatures from the Tokuno Islands are capable of learning Bushido and Ninjitsu abilities

Chivalry

Only creatures owned by characters with positive karma are capable of learning Chivalry

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/animal-taming/animal-training-abilities/

If you want the ability to teach your Triton Bushido or Ninjitsu, they need to be born in Tokuno.

Pawain said:

popps said:

I just learned, AFTER having claimed a Triton from a Statue, that, in order to get the spawned Triton with some particular ability, the Statue needs to be activated in the TOKUNO facet....

This is untrue.  A newly spawned Triton only has the healing ability.

This has been in the UO wiki for over 2 years.

Bushido and Ninjitsu

Only creatures from the Tokuno Islands are capable of learning Bushido and Ninjitsu abilities

Chivalry

Only creatures owned by characters with positive karma are capable of learning Chivalry

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/animal-taming/animal-training-abilities/

If you want the ability to teach your Triton Bushido or Ninjitsu, they need to be born in Tokuno.

BUT BUT BUT It didn't say they had to be born there.  People are born all over the world and move so why can't pets. 

Khyro said:

popps said:

I just learned, AFTER having claimed a Triton from a Statue, that, in order to get the spawned Triton with some particular ability, the Statue needs to be activated in the TOKUNO facet....

Since I clearly must have missed the official instructions where this is stated and whether there is "other" specialties in regards to where to claim a Statue, where to activate a Statue to spawn a Triton etc. etc. (proper instructions for use, that is...), may I please ask to someone to kindly point me to such official notes about the Triton statue and its proper use, where to claim it, where to activate it, etc. etc. depending on what type of Triton the player might want to spawn and so forth.

Thank you very much.

Instructions: Double-click statue to spawn a Triton. I don't think we need official documentation from the developers on that one.

In regards to what the Triton can train, its spawn range, damage type, stats etc. None of this was ever disclosed "officially" by the devs, nor has it been disclosed "officially" for any other pet in the game. You find this information by playing the game or leaning on others as a resource. This is an MMO and part of the game is player discovery.

You can do all the testing yourself if you want to know about a new feature, pet, etc. There are also many resources created by players that do this discovery process for you, so you just have to read those resources to learn.

You seem to reject any answer given to you by players (on any subject) and demand an answer come directly from a developer or it doesn't count.

During the Khaldun Halloween event, for example, there was a great quest released that required detective work and puzzle solving to complete the quest. The devs did not release a step-by-step guide for how to complete this quest (nor do I feel they should have). Players came together to solve this quest, and then guides were made available on fansites for those that wanted to fast track the quest and not experience the content.

There are also elements common in many video games called "Easter Eggs". These are typically hidden features, jokes, messages, etc. that act as their own reward for players that discover them. 

If you want to remove all aspect of learning the game and new content and figuring stuff out, there are many resources out there to help you do that, you just need to use those resources. The devs are not going to hand-hold and give step-by-step instructions for every little thing in the game. Like it or not, you need to learn to rely on the players that do testing and post the information, and not always demand direct answers from developers.

If you do have questions for developers, there are Meet & Greets every month where you can go and ask a question or two to get an answer from them

In regards to the Triton being spawned in Tokuno enabling it to get Bushido/Ninjitsu, this was discovered after it went live to all shards. It was brought to the Devs attention privately to ask if it was intended or not. After we were told this is OK, this information was then made publicly available on our website and other sites. 

Learn to use the resources that others spend the time to put together. Not everything released by the devs will have a line by line instruction manual for how to operate.

Pawain said:

popps said:

I just learned, AFTER having claimed a Triton from a Statue, that, in order to get the spawned Triton with some particular ability, the Statue needs to be activated in the TOKUNO facet....

This is untrue.  A newly spawned Triton only has the healing ability.

This has been in the UO wiki for over 2 years.

Bushido and Ninjitsu

Only creatures from the Tokuno Islands are capable of learning Bushido and Ninjitsu abilities

Chivalry

Only creatures owned by characters with positive karma are capable of learning Chivalry

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/animal-taming/animal-training-abilities/

If you want the ability to teach your Triton Bushido or Ninjitsu, they need to be born in Tokuno.

You have a point about fail-safe systems... but then you mix it with UO and become delusional... just look at our devs for a sec...

I agree with popps. It’s not obvious at all and once claimed, that is it. 

Mervyn said:

I agree with popps. It’s not obvious at all and once claimed, that is it. 

Welcome back!

You need to have positive karma when claiming the pet? I thought you just needed positive karma at time of choosing magical ability. 

My congratulations to the player who made the logical deduction from the original pet training publish notes and subsequent information that if only Tokuno pets could train those skills, claiming the Triton in Tokuno had a chance of unlocking them for it.

Mervyn said:

You need to have positive karma when claiming the pet? I thought you just needed positive karma at time of choosing magical ability. 

It could be as you say, I just do not know....

That is PRECISELY WHY I would like to get some detailed instruction for use for BOTH the Triton Statuette and the Triton once spawned....

In order for players not to make mistakes which CANNOT be reversed, unfortunately.

Just imagine, a player who does NOT know that they have to claim the Triton on Tokuno in order to get Bushido/Ninjitsu and does not know (if this is the case) that they have to have high Karma in order to have Chivalry as available on the spawned Triton and they claim it with low Karma somewhere else BUT in Tokuno.

They get that rare 85%+ Intensity Rating Triton spawn, unfortunately, it comes WITHOUT what they wanted for it, no Chivalry and no Bushido/Ninjitsu....

Now, how would this player now feel knowing that such a rare occurrance has gone wasted all for nothing because no Warning Gump came up when they actually interacted with the Triton statuette to tell then where and how they should have used that Triton statuette to PROPERLY get the type of Triton which they wanted ?

I am not an expert on pets, so I have already claimed several pets without being in Tokuno. This was not obvious to me.

Are there any other facets that should be considered?

popps said:

In order for players not to make mistakes which CANNOT be reversed, unfortunately.

Stupid players, playing the game instead of reading all publish notes and "subsequent information" up front.

You're beating a dead horse.. the mentality you ask for is non-existent in UO..

Petra_Fyde said:

My congratulations to the player who made the logical deduction from the original pet training publish notes and subsequent information that if only Tokuno pets could train those skills, claiming the Triton in Tokuno had a chance of unlocking them for i

@Petra_Fyde

Yet, if, as I am understanding, such knowledge and information was assessed while in Testing, and the Developers informed about it as I seem to understand from some posts about this particular issue, shouldn't then such knowledge and information be made available to ALL players, likewise, with a Warning Gump to pop us with a few lines of Text upon clicking the Triton Statue to clain a Triton?

May I ask you whether you think that this should have been the correct way to go, to the greater benefit of all players ?

Not all players have the time handy to spend much time in Ultima Online to earn Doubloons to then purchase a Triton statuette. Some, perhaps are very time constrained to play Ultima Online extensively.

To waste 140,000 Doubloons which took them time in the game to earn, time which for them is scarce, perhaps, and get a Triton LACKING those abilities because they were NOT warned beforehand with a Warning Gump on "how" (and what to excatly do) to actually get a Triton with those abilities, "can" perhaps be upsetting.... right ?

And does it do good, ultimately, to Ultima Online as a whole, if I may ask, to have players who are upset about it?

How much work and time would it have taken, I wonder, to add a few lines of Text on a Warning Gump to tell players that 1) - They had to have high Karma if they wanted a Triton to come with Chivalry and 2) - That they had to claim it while in Tokuno if they wanted it to come with the Bushido/Ninjitsu ability ?

Would it have been "that" of a big deal, if I may ask ?

JollyJade said:

popps said:

In order for players not to make mistakes which CANNOT be reversed, unfortunately.

Stupid players, playing the game instead of reading all publish notes and "subsequent information" up front.

You're beating a dead horse.. the mentality you ask for is non-existent in UO....

"Stupid players, playing the game instead of reading all publish notes and "subsequent information" up front."

That I could understand, it was not in the Publish notes for the Triton (https://uo.com/2019/05/01/new-rising-tide-rewards/) that, in order to have the spawned Triton come with the Bushido/Ninjitsu ability, one had to activate the statuette while in Tokuno...

Not to mention, the need to have High Karma if one wanted it to come with the Chivalry ability....

Petra_Fyde said:

My congratulations to the player who made the logical deduction from the original pet training publish notes and subsequent information that if only Tokuno pets could train those skills, claiming the Triton in Tokuno had a chance of unlocking them for it.

Well said - so well said no one will pay attention. ((((Petra))))


ETA:
It is not the developers' job to hand game play to the population. It is up to the player to PLAY THE GAME and TAKE THE RISK to find BENEFITS and FEATURES. That is the definition of a Sandbox Game. I like how things are not explained - hearkens back to the earlier days when Sosaria was alive and exciting to play. 

If players want the game handed to them, there are console games of which to partake. This is not the game you are looking for if you want it served any differently than it is.

Can I haz ur stuffs? 

popps said:

That I could understand, it was not in the Publish notes for the Triton (https://uo.com/2019/05/01/new-rising-tide-rewards/) that, in order to have the spawned Triton come with the Bushido/Ninjitsu ability, one had to activate the statuette while in Tokuno...

... because it was in the publish notes YEARS AGO.
Simple deduction man.



Now, can I haz ur stuff?

Kirthag said:

popps said:

That I could understand, it was not in the Publish notes for the Triton (https://uo.com/2019/05/01/new-rising-tide-rewards/) that, in order to have the spawned Triton come with the Bushido/Ninjitsu ability, one had to activate the statuette while in Tokuno...

... because it was in the publish notes YEARS AGO.
Simple deduction man.



Now, can I haz ur stuff

Only my point of view, sure, but I do not think that a persistent Spawn like that which that "Years ago" Note referred to, can be likened to an occasional, exceptional "Statuette triggered" Spawn like the Triton is...

That is and cannot be a granted, considered the "exceptional" spawning conditions for the Triton.

Hence, once found, I still say that it should have "deserved" a special Warning notice upon using the Triton statuette, and this, particularly all things considered in regards to all involved with getting a Triton.....

Where you claim it only matters if you plan to train it.
If you plan to train it, then you have read the information on pet training
Therefore you have read the notes regarding Bushido, Ninjitsu and Chivalry
Someone remembered what they read.
You didn't. 

Petra_Fyde said:

Where you claim it only matters if you plan to train it.
If you plan to train it, then you have read the information on pet training
Therefore you have read the notes regarding Bushido, Ninjitsu and Chivalry
Someone remembered what they read.
You didn't. 

For you people concerned about negative karma and chivalry.  Take it from of the few negative Karma's around... You're fine.  That mechanic only screws negative karma people.  You can train it with chivalry and all day.  It's only people like me that can't train it... Ever, even though positive karma peeps can train necro and poisoning all day *sigh*

popps said:

Mervyn said:

You need to have positive karma when claiming the pet? I thought you just needed positive karma at time of choosing magical ability. 

It could be as you say, I just do not know....

That is PRECISELY WHY I would like to get some detailed instruction for use for BOTH the Triton Statuette and the Triton once spawned....

In order for players not to make mistakes which CANNOT be reversed, unfortunately.

Just imagine, a player who does NOT know that they have to claim the Triton on Tokuno in order to get Bushido/Ninjitsu and does not know (if this is the case) that they have to have high Karma in order to have Chivalry as available on the spawned Triton and they claim it with low Karma somewhere else BUT in Tokuno.

They get that rare 85%+ Intensity Rating Triton spawn, unfortunately, it comes WITHOUT what they wanted for it, no Chivalry and no Bushido/Ninjitsu....

Now, how would this player now feel knowing that such a rare occurrance has gone wasted all for nothing because no Warning Gump came up when they actually interacted with the Triton statuette to tell then where and how they should have used that Triton statuette to PROPERLY get the type of Triton which they wanted ?

"It could be as you say, I just do not know...."

Maybe you should go test things before running to the forums crying and demanding safety gumps for every action you take? 

No one ever said you need positive karma (let alone high karma) when claiming a Triton in order to give it Chivalry. That was created purely in your mind and now you are running around multiple forums crying over ruined Tritons that cannot get chivalry.

Your tamer needs positive karma in order for Chivalry to become available to train on a pet. It even says so in the Official UO Wiki. It has always been this way. 

This does not mean you need positive karma when you claim the Triton, you just need positive karma when you train it if you decide to give your pet Chivalry. 

Mervyn said:

Petra_Fyde said:

Where you claim it only matters if you plan to train it.
If you plan to train it, then you have read the information on pet training
Therefore you have read the notes regarding Bushido, Ninjitsu and Chivalry
Someone remembered what they read.
You didn't. 

So, when purchasing a 120+ wrestling triton from another player, like popps said, how are you supposed to know where it was claimed?

I am an expert on pets yet did not think to claim my pet in Tokuno, (partly because i couldn't enter Tokuno with that char) as you would think the skills it can train would actually be linked to the TYPE of creature it is. If someone releases a dragon in tokuno and i tame it, i wouldn't expect it to develop bush/ninj.

As for the wiki saying "only creatures from Tokuno may train Bushido or Ninjitsu", well they're not "From" tokuno even if claimed there, they are from bucs den as a reward. Is this also the case with vollems held in crystals and paroxysmus swamp dragons, vanity store pets etc?

Just because it was conceived in bucs den does not mean it is from bucs den, it is from what even land it was born in.  I hope you as a dedicated Tamer researches what type of pet they want before wasting your time taming one which I think you are smart enough to do.  Is it really worth taming/claiming pet a, I don't know let me go research it first.  It is obvious that some people didn't know that this pet had certain abilities before they went out to get one without doing any research.  Do you have a Triton?  Did you research it before claiming it?  Did you try different builds before settling on which build you wanted or did you just willy-dilly pick what to do and do it.  Hell I will just dump all my points into mana/mr and poison resist.  Dang why does my tank keep dying with only 100 hp and 20 phy/fire/cold/energy resist, i could have sworn Cus poisoned their enimies and my pet doesn't cast any spells, oh wait was I suppose to activate magery somehow to use all that mana.

Mervyn said:

Petra_Fyde said:

Where you claim it only matters if you plan to train it.
If you plan to train it, then you have read the information on pet training
Therefore you have read the notes regarding Bushido, Ninjitsu and Chivalry
Someone remembered what they read.
You didn't. 

So, when purchasing a 120+ wrestling triton from another player, like popps said, how are you supposed to know where it was claimed?

I am an expert on pets yet did not think to claim my pet in Tokuno, (partly because i couldn't enter Tokuno with that char) as you would think the skills it can train would actually be linked to the TYPE of creature it is. If someone releases a dragon in tokuno and i tame it, i wouldn't expect it to develop bush/ninj.

As for the wiki saying "only creatures from Tokuno may train Bushido or Ninjitsu", well they're not "From" tokuno even if claimed there, they are from bucs den as a reward. Is this also the case with vollems held in crystals and paroxysmus swamp dragons, vanity store pets etc?

A pet has to be magical capable and spawn in tokuno to be considered a tokuno pet.  Releasing a dragon and retaming it is not spawning it.  However, if you are taming a dread spider in tokuno, it has access to bushido/ninjitsu while a dread spider tamed elsewhere does not. So buying a Dread Spider off a magincia stall, you would not know if it has access to those abilities either.  It has been this way since Patch 97. All magical capable pets spawned in Tokuno get access to Bushido/Ninjitsu.  

Tritons technically spawn where you click on the crystal, as that is where it's stats are determined.

Does this mean that a Lasher purchased from the store can have access to those abilities if I open the crystal while in Tokuno?

Isn't kind of part of the fun to "discover" things as we go? Isn't that why we play? I'm thinking this may not be the game for some of you. Get out there, explore. Test things. Have fun!!

Mervyn said:

Just sell your non tokuno tritons to some poor unsuspecting victim. This is the conclusion I am reading from the majority of posts on this thread.

Also, noboby mentioned this on testing:

https://forum.uo.com/discussion/3417/pub-104-triton-pet/p3

kinda odd...

Because it was discovered the night Tritons went live to production. 

To quote myself earlier in this thread (amazing how many people don't actually read threads):

"In regards to the Triton being spawned in Tokuno enabling it to get Bushido/Ninjitsu, this was discovered after it went live to all shards. It was brought to the Devs attention privately to ask if it was intended or not. After we were told this is OK, this information was then made publicly available on our website and other sites. "

In response to: "Just sell your non tokuno tritons to some poor unsuspecting victim" -- Tell me, how many Bushido/Ninjitsu pets do you actually have? Would you have any intention of giving a Triton Bushido/Ninjitsu if it were available by default? Stop making mountains out of molehills.

There are pets already like this in the game:
- Dread Spiders that are tamed in Tokuno can get Bushido/Ninjitsu. Ones that are tamed elsewhere cannot. 
- Lava Lizards that are tamed in Tokuno can get Bushido/Ninjitsu. Ones that are tamed elsewhere cannot.

Do we need a giant gump when taming a non-Tokuno Dread Spider that says "Whoa there! It appears you are taming a Dread Spider outside of Tokuno! Did you know you will not be able to give it Bushido/Ninjitsu unless you go tame one from Tokuno instead? Are you sure you wish to continue?!"

Tritons aren't limited to one per person, you can get another Triton and spawn it in Tokuno if you want to try one with Bushido/Ninjitsu. 

This thread wouldn't even exist if we did not publish this information to our website for others to see. Now multiple people are creating drama over this fact and acting like their Triton is "ruined".

That tells me that people should just not try to inform others of what they discover because it just creates needless drama. I guess ignorance really is bliss.

Mervyn said:

So it was only discovered when it when live, yet everyone who didn't know about it is stupid and didn't do enough research. OK... 

Nowhere did I call or imply that anyone that did not know this was stupid. 

I guess we should add safety gumps to the game for everything that can make someone feel sad, yes? Let's get a giant gump for Imbuing:

"Hi There! It looks like you are attempting to Imbue an item, but you didn't apply powder of fortification! Did you know you will be unable to PoF this item after you Imbue it? Are you sure you want to continue?"

Or we can stay on the theme of tamers, maybe we should have a warning gump when applying a Magical Ability to a pet that already has one?:

"Completing this training will remove all Magical abilities from this pet. All pet training is final and can't be unlearned. Do you want to complete this training?"

Oh wait, that one actually already exists, my bad. I forgot that most people just ignore it (yourself included) and then claim they had no warning whatsoever that they would lose Magery/etc.

Petra_Fyde said:

Where you claim it only matters if you plan to train it.
If you plan to train it, then you have read the information on pet training
Therefore you have read the notes regarding Bushido, Ninjitsu and Chivalry
Someone remembered what they read.
You didn't. 

JollyJade said:

Stupid players, playing the game instead of reading all publish notes and "subsequent information" up front.

You're beating a dead horse.. the mentality you ask for is non-existent in UO..

Mervyn said:

Khyro, I wasn't talking about what you said, i'm talking about these kinds of comments, that implied that people are stupid for not knowing..even though it wasn't discovered untll live publish despite months of hard grind testing from professionals such as @ Violet

Your personal attack about me not reading gumps on magical abilities (not sure where you got that idea from) is both off topic and inaccurate. This is the gump, however it says nothing about what happens to invested points if you train more than one magical ability. It also states "innate magic ability" it's possible to select more than one magic ability to train so the first magical ability that you invested points into would not be innate..

I replied once in this thread giving information. Please stop attempting to troll me. Maybe you forgot you posted this, I can link the original thread if you would like your memory be refreshed with what you wrote.

Mervyn said:
4 why have you even got the option to put 2 magical abilities on when the second will negate the first and you don’t get any warning. 

.

This thread is getting rather heated, and since the request in the opening post is adequately addressed by the specialist site https://www.uo-cah.com I am closing this discussion.