Bulk Order Deeds ... Who is working on it?

To the Team member in charge of this part of a future publish.

First off I commend you on taking up this venture... not just for the effort but for the future barking that will come your way when it is not to another players liking.   It will happen lets not kid ourselves.

I will admit I have bugged Mesanna for quite sometime on this issue. 

I would like to see the use of the books locked down for one. This would be like every other item we lock down that is a container with the menu of who can use. 

My main request has been the making the books a single item count in hand.  Due to the vast amount a crafter needs to have to work the skill bods its the only reasonable thing to do.  I understand Mesanna's concerns of duping but honestly at this time I don't see it being that great a issue.  Storage has driven many away from the bulk orders.  The rewards have run their course and prices have dropped.  No real demand for them now. 

I can see the cut down of lag as a plus as I cut back on the vendors I use to hold them!  My crafters bug would be a good work space ... goodness sorry was daydreaming of how nice it would be to get rid of the hastle of sorting by hunt and peck on vendors and making sure I didn't forget to "no sale" the books!This 4 to 1 lockdown was great when it was just smithing and tailoring...sorta.  But now add in the 6 newer bods.......  I understand not all players are crafters...so it is not that big a deal but to those of us who enjoy the bods...  to count the books as 1 item no matter the amount they hold...is a super nice pipe dream id like to see filled...

If you need to see it from a different prospective your always welcome to visit.

I guess this means I hit the nail on the head......

I love your idea.  I have 72 bod vendors full of bods, LOL.

hehe don't get me started on the vendors I have inslaved.... the shards are loaded with my bod collections. Yes I do all of them. I have found I am not alone in the frustration of keeping and working out of the books.   Yesterday I was gifted 2 full books from a person who quit them from pure fit of anger. I tried to talk them out of it.... but I did see their point...  These days the rewards sell for a pittance of the first days... and the more you have the lower the price of them drops.

I offer the insight of a crafters plight in the use of these books... (my lady crafters would like to stop stripping to their undies to work a full book!)

When the current publish goes live, you can lock the book down and use it that way.
As for making the book count as 1 item, they have continually asked at meet & greets to do that. It wont happen cause it will promote more hoarding of BODs.

I believe it was their intention for the Artisan Festival to try to get some of the BODs out of the game. And I tell you that I turned in about 20K BODs the first year.  

Recently I had to build a keep to store all my BODs & all the stuff I had to remove from my castle to be able to convert it. I even had to sell some of my BODs cause I had all these vendors that were storing them for me... Believe me I know how hard it is to move around full BOD books. I lost track of how many trips I made with my giant beetle. I don't think he was happy with me that day LOL

I would love it if they did ever make the BOD books use up just one item in the house... but I could tell you, that would just make the hoarding worse

While I can understand your position  I have found it the complete opposite.  I and many who do have bods work them are pretty much of the same mind.  We don't horde for the sake of having tons of books full of them.  Take your average large.  4, 5, and 6 parts needed just for 1... that is a lot of looking when you gather the bods.  This is not as easy as you make it out. 

WE work them  8 skills x 3 bods = 24 total but its only 3 in the one skill... and contrary to your thinking It takes a hell of a lot more collecting to get enough to fill one large. Oh, and by the way I work more then 1 large at a time.  Most times I go to the NPC's and drop a few dozen. Not just cooking or smith, all the types. 

This is not the "oh I got 3 bods lets fill them and turn in"  If you are having trouble filling a few ASK  many of us trade. 

If the books were 1 item count I could use my bug and pouch to hold and work a lot more efficiently at filling. That is the only way to reduce the number of bods we get in. No one hordes bods just to have bods.  I am glad you found a way to get rid of what you found intrusive I too have taken smalls to the tree drop. its nice but I will not be giving my hard worked fillers to get a piece I can buy off a vendor in a few weeks.  Shield bods ok as none go into a large...  I feel for your bugs hard work. But as for the rest of us....

Make the books 1 item count.  For once do something that will help us a lot more then hot air in cold promises. 

I wasn't hoarding the BODs just to be hoarding them. I actually used them and knew exactly what was in each BOD book. they were all separated out. I am talking endless hours collecting them over and over again. I was using them to gain skills.

And I sold them cause I was tired of storing them on vendors. That and the people who bought them were just returning to game, who needed their own collection. Right now there is so much going on, that I just haven't rebuilt the massive collection that I sold. But I do still have BODs and plan on using them.

And to tell the truth the first year I turned in so many of the smalls, so I could make room for the other BODs. 

What I was trying to get across is that they wont make the books worth just one slot. It would be awesome if they did, but I don't see it happening...

They are making it useable while locked down, so if its full you can use it... but it can also be used in our backpacks... so they are giving us one thing we asked for at the meet & greets.

Oh I hear you.  And as I said it was not aimed on you.  We need this 1 item count for the books. The game as we all know needs a lot of help to keep players in... This will at least keep the crafters busy..

OK its time for me and this team member to sit down and talk about the meat and potatoes of the Bulk Order situation. 
 Reason is:  
 I was handed by a player who threw up their hands at crafting due to the fact they didn't have the room in lockdowns nor the space to have vendors to keep their growing bulk order books.. (how I squeezed them in is a long story for later). She tried to get a bigger house, no luck for her shard.
 This player shares her house with her hubby and their teenage kids who play on weekends.  That's a lot of characters in one house... with different needs in space to work.
 I understand their plight.   
Yes making the books workable locked down is fantastic, 
But this does not help the lock down issue.  
This is not something to kid about.  
If you think it will cause hoarding (sorry my reaction you cant see on line: PFFT!)   Give me a Bloody Break...   Oh I can see where to someone who sees the number of vendors or books I own may get that idea... I can assure you my vendors have sold a good deal of the rewards I have gotten from titles to trees, dyes and kegs …. but I also make sets for my homes on other shards.  My problem is not just storage, My GM Skills Crafters need to have their books on them not sitting on a vendor that one account holds on to...  
Its a rare crafter who can GM more them 5 working skills for bulk order production. ( some need 120 skill to do the bigger bods)
Now as for the idea some greedy evil duper will take the top bods and dupe the hell out of them.. Yes there is that possibility.. but I trust in your capture of said idiot.  Idiot fits that idea to get away with...  People don't remember things are traceable.. your team of GM's and we players who have the guts to turn in cheaters.    
This 1 item count for bulk order books would go far to help for many reasons. 
 As the current 4 to 1 count is not cutting it.   
Feel free to ask questions    

Go get em girl.

Hey I am willing to talk to them and show the pro's and con's on the game.. they cant be expected to know the full story.  As a side note another player saw my vendor's full of books told me if I wanted his whole batch id best get to his vendors as he had just put all his bulk order books up for 2k each.  I did... and then had a full blown cow of where to store them till I can sort them my way. 

Please tell me you are planning something more then just the book lock down bit??????
@Bleak @Kyronix ; Help guys!!!! 
Look I get the boss's fears of duping but give a girl a break!  
You have no idea the headaches it is to sort and fill the tons of bods I been doing for filling the larges... 
Not to mention hunting down the mats to do so....  (good thing I got a storage house with all I can use its just hauling it all to one spot to work.. no lock downs is a big issue) but back to the issue at hand.  
I need help in this. I am not alone... another player tossed their collection on me as they were quitting!   (do you get the hint that we need more "help")  
Vendors cant hold much.... did you look at the number of bods to fill some of the Smith ones? 
Odds of getting a set on the first try is … omg you got to be kidding   Impossible!  
On Atlantic alone I have over 100 vendors filled to the brim and don't ask do I do any.... I do tons and yet in a matter of days of killing off 200 to 300 bods in turned in larges I get them all back hoping for time to sort and breath!!!!!  

Just give me a bit of hope...…  

If you fill them and turn them in you wont have to store them. 

Do you really need a book full of half aprons?  Why do players keep smith weapon BODs?

Pretty easy. Some you need for LBods, rest you keep to make them and turn in for better Bods when you need them. 

Pawain said:

Do you really need a book full of half aprons?  Why do players keep smith weapon BODs?

For turning into the Artisan Festival trees on alts, or for selling/giving to others to do the same. 

The devs (over multiple teams) brought the hoarding on themselves with these systems. For years you HAD to hoard smith and tailor bods to get what you wanted. It's not *as* bad now, but only by a matter of degree. 

To be perfectly honest, the devs need to decide one way or the other regarding "hoarding." They can't begiving us a single graphic with "60 naming possibilities" and then not expect people to hoard them...or anything else similar.  It's schizophrenic. 

They could very easily quit the hoarding of bods.  We have to hoard, because you never know what you are gonna get.  Bribing is almost a joke, you take a reg leather normal 10 ct into the tailor,wanting to bribe it to except, and instead it turns into either a 15 ct, or goes up to spined instead...so you are stuck with that, and have to go get another to try to bribe.

If hoarding is such an issue for the devs-they should let us show the NPC the bod, then fill in the blanks that come up with what we want it to be ( I envision a menu similar to the search menu on bod books) , and have the npc give us the pride to do that.

Price to high?  walk away.  Price acceptable?  just drop the bod on him and he makes it happen.

Then we could turn loose of some of these bods, since upgrading would be straightforward for a change.

I place weapon and cloth BODs on the ground.  A bribed up other gives more points for the tree.

I bribe all leather, smith armor, Cooking, Alchemy up to max when I get them. I turn in Alchemy and Cooking larges when I get them.  I have 1 book of each type. 

I have seen a player with cloth BODs.  He had a book full of just Full Aprons.  

I am not hording bods... good grief if I had a dime for every bod I turn in each week Id have a new car at the end of the year!
Its not the object that you feel people hoard bods.. 
Dot pointed it out quite clearly.
Take a simple 6 part plate iron smith (its just and example so don't go all wild).
First you need the Large bulk order, now this might take you a few try's to get even one large much less this one.  But for giggles lets say you got one.
Now for the next hurdle... the 6 pieces.
Here is where you are gunna need the iron will to not toss up your hands and scream. (yes I have screamed to the walls when I get so frustrated on the time to get 6 seemingly simple smalls.
Boy do I have news for the guy doing this..... Nothing in UO is easy...even bods. 
Look if someone wanted to dupe these silly squares for gold don't you think it would be done by now???   I got news for you... if its been done you missed the boat in the wash of bods.  I turn in singles by the ton when I need to fill my vendor for smith tools.  I will say be smart put on your smith tali it helps  most times I get nice return bods.  But there again the number of bods don't drop. it still takes filling the larges... which leads us back to the fact to sort and do the work I need the lockdowns and the books need to be useful and to be useful they need to be 1 item count.
This is not just for me.... hell. (sorry this word fits) 
Think of all the players who's mains were crafters that have gotten to that point that it got too much and they up and quit...  
Im sorry I see and hear it at least once a week on any of the shards I play. 
Atlantic is not my only shard with this issue....  I have homes and crafters on a good deal of shards.  So I do talk and have friends who are in just the same boat... 
Pawain its nice you can cut down for your situation..  
Dot yes the gift giving over the years has made a mixed bag of headaches in the area of the horde of items... while it hits into the lockdowns area it has little to do with Bulk orders.
Good gravy I did a novel... 
To the Team member in charge of this...  I'm not alone in needing some effort in this. I know you might not be a bod fanatic but for the crafters out in UO... this is a big deal.
at least squeak if you understand the problem...

After reading the News letter I am very optimistic  in the hopes of getting a reasonable help in the bod department.   I am willing to give any info into the Bulk orders and their pro's an con's.  

I don't favor the reward point drop... knowing them a "Large Val Plate Exe 20 6 piece" will give you the same points as a 10 piece shorts!
I do agree the storage points is not great.. in fact I wouldn't use it period.
A rotating rewards for the levels would be a good idea.. every season change the list to a set of that time of year.  4 changes a year... how hard can that be?  if you need ideas ASK US... the players are an untapped fountain of ideas... use it.
Now you know why I said over and over 1 item count for the books...  Storage is killing the player base in doing them.

One quick note to the Dev who is revamping... 
I was looking at the gift / bod set up for some of the new collections.  Main one is Scribe.. but this can go for others as well...  There is no EXE for the bods to do... how about using the different number of items instead.   all 10 & 15 count be normal and 20s be the EXE.    and I do point out the rotating season gift idea might help too.

Okay so I can findd no mention of bods in the newsletter, nor on their map of 2019.  Do we have solid confirmation anything is happening with bods this year?

Hopefully @Misk will quietly fix them.  

At this point what I want from BODs...

1. Tailor: A COMPLETE REVAMP of point values, to line up with the other 7 skills.

a. Tailor BODs need to be 50% Exceptional, instead of the 33% that was apparently instituted when the BODs went live, but no one told the players about. Until 2008, all the different forums for UO were filled with "Tailor BODs are broken" posts, with Devs responding "they are working as intended", with the devs in question not realizing that the ONLY information the players had EVER been given on the normal/exceptional ratio was from a Design Document dating from when the system was internal alpha, that stated the BODs would work "exactly" like Smith BODs. Lacking any other info, people were left to assume that the ratio would be the same as well. It wasn't until late 2007 or early 2008 that extensive testing on Stratics showed the 33% (or more accurately, 1 in 3) split, and got it confirmed by Wilki - who was surprised to find out that NO ONE AT EA had ever told the players about the change between the DD and the Tailor BODs going live (after both he and I went through ALL the available publish notes we could find at the time from the Tailor BOD inception to that current time). 
b. Tailor BODs are currently +100 points for exceptional, when ALL OTHER SKILLS that have exceptional BODs follow the Smith pattern of +200 points for exceptional.
c. Tailor BODs are +50 points for Spined, +100 for Horned, +150 for Barbed, when Metals start at +200 for Smith & Tailor, and Woods start at +300 for Oak. 
d. The end result of b&c currently is that MOST points in Tailor are focused into the value of LARGE BODs, where the three categories are 300/400/500 points - all other skills have LBOD point values starting at 200. The end result is that small tailor BODs are almost worthless for banking points (or, for that matter, the Artisan Festival). 
e. Furthermore, all Tailor BODs are currently CAPPED at 700 points (regardless of what the point value should be - 20 Ex Barbed 6-part should be 50+100+150+500 or 800 points), and rewards are currently capped at 700 points as well. It has led to a situation where far too many of the existing small BODs can be used for getting the TOP Tailor reward, when combined with a large.

The math: There are four 5-part & 6 part types; all 6 Barbed exceptional 6 part larges, the 2 Barbed Normal 20-count 6-part larges, the 2 Barbed exceptional 5-part larges, all 6 HORNED exceptional 6-part larges, and both SPINED Exceptional 20-count 6-part larges, give the Barbed Sewing kit. That's 18 DIFFERENT larges for the best Tailor reward (compared to ONE LBOD for EVERY OTHER SKILL), and  36+12+10+36+12 = 106 of the possible 528 armor BODs (leather through Barbed) BEFORE Bribing comes into play, or in excess of 20% of armor BODs. Even if you factor in the footwear (96) and cloth (29x6 = 174) BODs, that's still 106/798 possible tailor smalls, or better than 1 in 8.  Compare this to Blacksmith's SIX smalls for a Valorite hammer, out of (150 weapons smalls (25x6), + 702 Combinable Armor BODs (13x6x9) + 594 Non-combinable armor/shield/helm smalls) = 1,446 SMITH SMALLS. 
106/798 vs. 6/1446; One of these things is NOT like the other. And the ratios for the other skills' BODs aren't much better. And, not only do ALL Tailor smalls fit at least 1 large category, the footwear smalls fit THREE (2 different cloth outfit larges, plus the footwear large)

The Fixes indicated would be to me - 
* Reconfigure point values for Exceptional Tailor bonuses to be in agreement with the other skills, and adjust the LBOD values accordingly (200 for 4-part, 300 for 5-part, 400 for 6-part), including removing the artificial point cap that no other BOD system has.
* Change the reward chart for existing Tailor rewards to the new point totals (so that the rewards would still be at the same equivalent points; as a 20 Ex Spined 6-part would be 700 points with the current color values retained, that would be the benchmark for the Barbed kit; raising the colored leather bonus values to start at higher numbers would increase this number by the same), and add some new rewards. Good choices for new rewards would be Cauldrons like the ones for wood and metal, to upgrade leather, more useful deco, something that allows recycling of Bone armor pieces, and a Tailor's Apron that works like the Master Chef's Apron as the new top reward.
*Add BOD capabilities (collecting, turn-in, and bribe) to Tailor Grandmasters and/or Cobblers.

2. Blacksmith BODs:

There needs to be only a few changes, as most of the issues were resolved back during the KR era (including fixing the typo that caused too few of some BODs to spawn, and too many of others)

a. The first change should be a means where the current bonuses for 110 and 120 real skill to BOD pulls ALSO reduces the chance for Weapon BODs. When announced over a decade ago, the bonuses promised 70% Color/30% iron at 110, and 90% color/10% iron at 120. BUT.... 
Because of the weapons BODs being iron only, these numbers were effectively 35% color/15% iron armor/50% weapons at 110, 45%/5%/50% at 120 (the numbers are actually slightly worse - there's only 24 armor smalls, combinable and non-, compared to 25 weapon smalls). This would require either altering the table for BODs so that there are separate subsections for color-possible and base-material-only, and having the color/iron selection force colored results to only use the valid side, OR having a color result that ends up with a "weapon" result trigger a reroll until a valid color-legal item was picked for the BOD.
Over the years, two different descriptions were giving for the BOD tables - one, common to pre-ML dev answers to BOD questions, indicated that there were such sub-sections already, but the weapon/armor split was higher than the color/iron choice. The other description is that smith & tailor had all the smalls in a common pool. This fix would, of course, be easier if the first description is true, than if the second is.

b. Another long-requested change would be to add a 4-part helmet LBOD and a 6-part Shield LBOD, reducing the number of non-combinables to ONE (the female plate). 


3. Inscription: Only minor tweaks needed

a. Add more LBODs. Currently, there are several casting levels completely unrepresented (3rd & 6th level Mage). Without Ex and material bonuses, most scrolls without LBODs are not worth the effort, giving at best 1 bank point.
b. Add some Caster NPC types to the Scribe system. One of the issues I run into all the time trying to help new/returning crafters is that they claim they can't find BODs - because they logically think that MAGES (who sell most of the scribe supplies, some spellbooks, and scrolls up to circle 4) would be the NPC for the skill, not the Scribes in the libraries (that have pens and non-caster books, but NO scrolls or regs).  Even if it was only the oddballs (Holy Mages of Luna, Umbra's Necromancer, and Moonglow's Illusionists), it would be an improvement over the limited pool of Scribe NPCs we have to use currently.
c. Add some rewards (possibly charged talismans) that give LMC that is for inscription-only, or at least reduce the scribing mana cost. Even at max mana regen, Int, and obscene amounts of +Mana, at most you can only scribe 4-5 8th Circle scrolls, before having to regen mana, and there's something about the scribing process that makes active med impossible to start for several seconds after the last scroll scribed. It currently takes a scribe longer to do 1 8th circle 20-count scroll small, than it takes a smith or tailor to fill all the smalls for one of their LBODs.

4. Alchemy: Works reasonably well

a. As with Inscription, 1 or 2 more larges would help.
b. Cheaper potion bottles would as well.
c. There's no need for the non-potion smalls, unless you want to increase their value to start at the LBOD levels AND have them bank like an LBOD (20% instead of 2%)


5. Cooking: Had a lot of teething pains, but works well now. The only thing I can think of would be having a box in some locations one could drop older broken BODs in (that won't bribe to Exceptional, that should if the BOD was a recent pull), to get a working replacement. And, the procedure to make Exceptional flour should be simplified (having to use a cooking tool to make it NEXT to a flour mill that can make normal-only flour is not intuitive at all, and I've seen people waste 100 or more wheat not knowing that you have to use that combo, and stick the wheat into the mill directly.


6. Tinkering: This system has a lot of issues, but is still better than Carpentry or Fletching.

a. All the smalls in the "Tools" LBOD can be exceptional, but the LBOD CANNOT BE. This should be an easy fix. (if it was supposed to be fixed already, none of my recent ones bribe up, just like the older ones)
b. There's not an LBOD for the non-gemmed jewelry (which are the only jewelry BODs currently that can be colored or exceptional). Adding this (and letting it go all the way to Valorite) would make a lot more sense.
c. The 9 different gemmed Jewelry LBODs are really only useful for banking points, being non-exceptional and iron-only. Even adding exceptional level BODs (and having the jewelry craftable that way, if not already) would also make the system more attractive.
d. There's an obscene number of non-combinables. Perhaps a few more LBODs could be added, since there are a number of items that can be crafted in colored metal, that have no larges.
e. Do we really need a "keg" small BOD that is for POTION KEGS, but not labeled as such?

Apparently, my reply hit the size limit, and even the Draft got truncated, so, here's the last two sections as a separate reply...

7. Carpentry: Ouch....

a. There should logically be a Woodland Armor LBOD, but there isn't. So many of the colored smalls are wasted. Some other things could use LBODs as well.
b. Too many of the older house deco LBODs have the bribe issue mentioned in cooking, so a means of fixing them would be nice.
c. A lot of the house deco items, while they weigh only 1 stone when made, take 35, 40, 80 or more wood to make. Having to constantly reload wood (especially with their low crafting and exceptional chances) sucks. A fix for this would be to have a "Crafting Box" added to the BOD rewards, that ONLY will hold crafting materials (woods, leathers, ingots - the rest can be outside in the main pack), but has weight reduction like the Trade Order boxes, Bandage Belts, and Quivers. It doesn't have to be blessed, and it would be a great item to sell to other crafters.
d. The Wild Staff LBOD is badly broken. Only the base, non-magical, small BOD can be exceptional or colored wood. The cost of the gems to fill the normal wood, normal quality, ML recipe smalls is outrageous. And the large can be BROKEN in bribing, as if it goes up to Oak or exceptional, it can NEVER be filled (and that happens occasionally). And, this same issue exists with TWO Fletching LBODs.
e. As much a Cooking BOD issue as a Carpentry one. Can we get craftable Wooden Bowls, so we can more easily craft fruit bowls, instead of having to buy and scarf down food in wood bowls, and chug pepta's cure over and over?


8. Fletching

a. The Magical Shortbow and Elven Longbow LBODs have the same issue as the Wild Staff LBOD in Carpentry. Only the base, non-magical, small BOD can be exceptional or colored wood. The cost of the gems to fill the normal wood, normal quality, ML recipe smalls is outrageous. And the large can be BROKEN in bribing, as if it goes up to Oak or exceptional, it can NEVER be filled (and that happens occasionally).

The single item count for a Bulk Order Book be it full or empty it should be the 1 item.. period.
I do bods on nearly every shard I play on.  This means storage is at a cost.  Let's do my math.
I own 54 accounts... and of these 46 are used.  
I am not short for homes... (most are castles or keeps)
This means I do have a lot of lockdowns.... now hold on.. I didn't say I had them open for things!
And Yes I do play on those shards I have these homes on. The shards vary in use but I do have friends I do have some fun with... Back to the Bods...
Starting from Origin on down the list I have a good deal of books that are eating up space!
I am not joking when I said I turn in bods like mad... 21years in the game has made me a expert in storage.  
The main thing I think people are missing in the point area is the fact to get a large bod filled it can take a few hundred pulls to get the fills.  Now look that in those pulls you can and will get a few more larges and tons of smalls that do have use.  
Lets take Smith for example...
I make the smalls work for me, shovals, picks, and other tools I do go through... my miners use up the tools and on Atlantic I sell them to those who don't have time to do it.  I will not call it lazy as I too have at times bought when I didn't have time to fill bods.
I get the replacement bods.. with the hope that I will get a filler to a major bod.  
One might say why didn't I toss the smalls on the ground that didn't have any value.. but they do and it would just clog up someone else's house.  
For those of you who don't see the value its ok go ahead and toss, it might make some new guys day.  Bleak or who ever is doing this work take the time to get into the workings of the bods.. yea yea its not macho.. but for the crafters who enjoy the workings or the vendor keepers who sell the outcome of the bods.   
Psst…   I sell the tools .. cheap  and I can tell you I fill the bags of them every other few days. The new and returning players like the fact its 250 use tool and a bag of them will last a long time. 
Did the light bulb go off? 
I hope so..
I ask for the bod books to be what they should have been in the first place...

I imagine that if you did this... the population of players will keel over in amazement. 

Any word on the guy fixing this???

I had a idea id like on the bod books     it comes from the seed box...   Could a book at first look when the cursor is on the main cover tell you how many larges are in the book?  The seed box tells you the exotic seeds could this be something the bod books could do???

I would be happy if they got rid of the small bods that can't be used to fill a large bod.  Only generate small bods that can used to fill a large bod.

Pretty sure this is a non-issue for 99% of the player base. Most people I know have 2 accounts and 2 “crafters”, one being an Imbuer. You get 3 BoDs a day for smithing and I’ll guess you get 3 for tailoring. If you straight horded for a year you’d need maybe 3 books/ trade, do 5 trades and thats 2k storage... still fits in your castle. Oh but you have 50 accounts... if you are claiming 150 BoDs/trade/day you are not among the many. Better explained... I can log into my crafter everyday and claim BoDs, mine out 10 pickaxes a day, and craft out every BoD I manage to get in a week. I will get (from small BoDs alone) pickaxes, dull copper hammer, shadow hammer, copper hammer, bronze hammer, and PoF. As far as practical goes there is nothing else needed on the list... I will end this venture with a couple bronze hammer valorite/verite BoDs that dont fill but one secure spot in my house. My point being you reap what you sow. 54 accounts and collecting BoDs is gonna catch up to you. Come back down to us plebs and realize it’s not an issue. People that make money off selling BoD rewards dont have this issue. At least I dont.

Wow  I am very glad you have it so well under control.  
Let me give you a tiny taste of how I got so many..
I didn't always have 54 accounts,,, I had a large group of friends on a handful of shards. One by one for different reasons each left UO, which each asked me to hang on to the accounts if they didn't come back in a year take it as they wont be back....  only 2 returned and then left again!
I got them back....  some 1 account others 2, 4, 5.etc.  I didn't mind as many had characters worth the time to run, and nice homes.. most now own castles.  Before it was no big deal to collect the bods as we only had smith and tailor to get.  So 6 bods give or take per day was no big deal.

Now add in that years have gone by and the rewards back then were not so easy to get as the Dev did a adjustment of the drops along with the new types.(ie: cooking, carpentry, etc) Back then that Val big bod was a real pain in the tush to fill.     These days my crafters can collect 24 bods per round.  Yes I have more then one crafter per skill... come on did you think I was the only crafter in my group of friends? Now I don't go hog wild and collect every crafter I have in bods but I do go for my mostly used characters, and that can add up real quick.  
A bod book holds 500. 
A vendor can hold 600 (2 books of 300). 
Even though the dev made some ajustment to drops in the bods by the NPC it still is hell to get a full large in one pass... which is what your making it out to sound.  Which is not the case usually.
 Id love to do up as I go … but where does the time go..  these days if I can ill play on an off all day for a few minutes at a time in between other things.... Real life calls, I answer.   Game is not the main theme of my life nor should it be....  or BS owes me a paycheck the size of an elephant!
Be that as it may.
I am asking for something that not just I need,, if the bod book was 1 item count the lag and clutter of my homes with vendors would clear up. My crafter would be able to work out of the books with less trouble of pulling books off and making sure I hit the esc button to save it.    No I do not like to strip my lady's down to their nickers to get a bod out of a bigger count book!

There is no reason to keep them as is.. If one or more reward item say was worth over 10 mill I could see a issue... but even now as most of the rewards are turn in owner only on the real money maker items, its not worth duping..  Heck the val hammers are cheap..  so I ask for the change.

Have you alreay purchased all the storage upgrades available? I mean come on... you already got the needed storage down 4:1 when the books were implemented. Maybe you should hire somebody to work your BoDs. I also cant understand why vendors would be allowed as storage. 

I would personally love it, if they made the BOD books just 1 item...
people keep asking at the Dev Meet & Greets for it and they keep turning it down...

I do tend to go overboard with the amount of BODs that I collect, but I do use the BODs.
And since the Artisan Festival began, I have gotten rid a lot of the BODs. I know there will at least be one more round of the Artisan Festival, to complete the collection... I hope after that, that they would continue to do it some more...  just think of all the BODs the festivals have gotten out of the game...

some people love to collect items in game, whether its holiday gifts, statues, BODs... the list goes on and on... there is only so much storage to hold them in. And with BODs it is really easy to collect lot of them... but for those that do collect them, they use them and they take up lot of space... And when you keep running out of space, you have to store them in vendors . Its very upsetting when you go to get a deed and find a whole book gone because you forgot to hit escape... You want to throw your hands up in the air when that happens, but you go on, cause you are a UO crafter...

If they remove all player housing and make housing instanced then I can see you in the middle and say sure give that person who has managed to hoard BoDs past a manageable point more ability to hoard. However, as an active crafter, I get 21 blacksmith BoDs a week and one for every one I choose to complete. I do not collect pixels so I have a small stone and plaster house and somehow with every imbuing material, every ore, and every gem I still have space for my PoF and Runics and BoDs. By the way... I’d love a castle but as long as people are holding accounts with castles for dead people I guess I’m outta luck. Be happy you got BoD books at all. 

Ikeelu said:

I also cant understand why vendors would be allowed as storage. 

It was allowed and is legal because BODs used to be highly traded.  Practically the only way you could fill a lg Valorite BOD was thru trading with other crafters.

Placing your BODs on a vendor allowed others to see what you had and offer to trade.

Trade was very good but that was till some bright(not) person started to price the rest of us out of the very needed parts... the parts cost you more then the whole sale of the reward! It became how much can I gouge you out of for that needed val plate bod gorget??  
4:1 for the book might be great for Ikeelu , but to answer you a good few of my castles do have the extra 60%, And to add high seas along with the 7slot/bank upgrade that runs over 30$ for each???? 
Just be thankful I pay for all my accounts kiddo, with 45 of my 54 on can and will dent your wallet.  Before you pick up your jaw off the desk no i'm not a nut. Just one who got caught up in UO and my friends and my play that when they finally left the game I didn't have the heart to let their great characters die in some cold void. But this is about Bulk Order Books and its value.
Value is the point... the LP has a fear that if the books became 1 item a sudden rush by the dupers will rush in make up the top selling wanted bods will be duped to utter flood stage.  
Lets get real. 
To answer our Top God... What makes you think they have not done this already? I mean 4/1 is not that deep a turn off... get real if they have not done it now to the flood stage I highly doubt they will give a fig when they can copy the 250m EM drops.   
Truly id love to have the dev give crafter of all the skills a boone too to be able to do the full gamut of bods  and have the high level of skills 720 don't cut the mustard...and have enough to recall or gate your poor pet packie to safety if critters or the human critters get to bugging you...
This is only asking for the way the bulk order books should have been in the first place.  

Not related to storage, but I just wanted to make a quick suggestion that if a BOD was part of a larger BOD, it should indicate it somewhere in the UI.  I can't stand having to constantly check the lists Ive made for each crafting profession.  It should just be right there.

dvvid said:

Not related to storage, but I just wanted to make a quick suggestion that if a BOD was part of a larger BOD, it should indicate it somewhere in the UI.  I can't stand having to constantly check the lists Ive made for each crafting profession.  It should just be right there.

 Second the motion!

Uriah_Heep said:

dvvid said:

Not related to storage, but I just wanted to make a quick suggestion that if a BOD was part of a larger BOD, it should indicate it somewhere in the UI.  I can't stand having to constantly check the lists Ive made for each crafting profession.  It should just be right there.

 Second the motion!

Best idea in the thread. 

dvvid said:

Not related to storage, but I just wanted to make a quick suggestion that if a BOD was part of a larger BOD, it should indicate it somewhere in the UI.  I can't stand having to constantly check the lists Ive made for each crafting profession.  It should just be right there.

Oh God YES

Let us bribe a small BOD into what we want. A 10 normal iron knife keeps getting bribed into a 10 normal dull copper knife.  But I need a 10 exceptional iron knife.

TimSt said:

Let us bribe a small BOD into what we want. A 10 normal iron knife keeps getting bribed into a 10 normal dull copper knife.  But I need a 10 exceptional iron knife.

There are colored ore weapons BoDs?

Yeah it would be nice to be able to select the upgrade, instead of destroying the usefulness of bods over and over by having it move up an ore, or increased qty when all you wanted was except, and vice versa.

And I seriously hope that when they look at this, they make the % bank points on SBoDs a little better...sheesh

Allow excess points to be stored instead of losing them.

When you turn in a BOD worth 800 points but choose a reward that costs 700 points, you should not lose the extra 100 points.

Ezekiel_Zane said:

Allow excess points to be stored instead of losing them.

When you turn in a BOD worth 800 points but choose a reward that costs 700 points, you should not lose the extra 100 points.

No.  Then you can just buy the tool each time and never need to do Large Bods.

Ikeelu said:

TimSt said:

Let us bribe a small BOD into what we want. A 10 normal iron knife keeps getting bribed into a 10 normal dull copper knife.  But I need a 10 exceptional iron knife.

There are colored ore weapons BoDs?

Not that I know of.  The colored ore knife is a tinker BoD.

Hehe that's the dinner plate knife  like the spoon and goblet... 

I have been organizing my bods on Origin... none are on vendors. Reason be is that I own a lot of castles there and can spread them to the homes of my crafters.  
If this was the case for all then fine... but its not fine.   
There is no way in hell that a small time crafter can store and use to any efficiency the system as it sits. Period. And yes by all means put it back the other way a bod raised the level of the bods with the NPC. 
It was 10 normal went to 10 exc  then the 15 normal to 15 exc. and so on up the chain. You knew you had to bribe and what to expect. This made it a bit more useful and you got what you needed not a ton of junk that has now to sit somewhere till you can find its use.  
I know we need a lot more work done in the game and to the major players who love pvp this is a low on the totem pole issue... but the truth is many do crafting.  
I have noticed a lot of the older crafters have left the game or have stopped the trade/sale of bods. 

As a side note there are many recipe's that we cant get because of them being part of quests. I'd like to see a way to get them … like the blackrock stew for cooking... even the new Krampas tailor these some were not lucky to get.  It leads tot he idea of having the scrolls you don't have marked with a colored * near the name to tell us you don't know it.

I took the day to go through just my tailor crafter …. I understand the scrolls missing is the high end $$ and I don't see me spending 10 to 50 mill to make a hat or boots of no use.  It like to see a way for these marked on our tool menu when we go looking.

dvvid said:

Not related to storage, but I just wanted to make a quick suggestion that if a BOD was part of a larger BOD, it should indicate it somewhere in the UI.  I can't stand having to constantly check the lists Ive made for each crafting profession.  It should just be right there.

FYI Pinko's UI has had this function for many years. And since this is one of the features that did not make it into the official client when they had Pinko working on it, I am guessing the devs don't want it.

Mesanna stated in the past that they do not want the BODs hoarded. However the current system encourages hoarding because:
1. You need many hundreds of BODs to fill large BODs.
2. The points you get for turning in a BOD without claiming anything are so few as to be worthless. Nobody is going to waste material doing this.

Making BOD books count as one item would encourage hoarding. Personally I have no problems with this. Hoarders make up the most devoted part of the player base (hard to quit if you can't separate yourself from all the stuff). But, if they want to make it work without hoarding - the changes need to be made to the system itself, rather than the BOD books.

Ikeelu said:

I’d love a castle but as long as people are holding accounts with castles for dead people I guess I’m outta luck. Be happy you got BoD books at all. 

You do understand that that is a paid account and if someone want to keep it to remember a play that is their right.

Sliss  the current CC client don't have pinko's works, that is in EC only.  I run in CC. Mesanna and I have had many conversations on this in the M&G's  Hoarding is not her top priority in their concern. 
As for Ikeelu, dear you need to learn to walk and chew gum at the same time... I didn't buy any of my castles and I own over 25 of them...  it took foot work and determination to get them and a lot of pure luck to be at the right place and the right time.  oh yea and on the right character too.
Bilbo is quite correct they are paid for and the powers that be at EA/BS care for paid accounts. To of which these castles are paid for every month.  
So get off the soap box of poor me...

@Lady_Storm the thread is about you wanting something that benefits nobody but yourself. Keep it in the lines lady. 

Its not just for me. and that's a fact.  too many people I know have quit bods due to the strain of storage and working them in the form they are today.   Walk a mile in their moccisins kiddo. I don't know if your into crafting as your attitude would change if you were... 

Pawain said:

Ezekiel_Zane said:

Allow excess points to be stored instead of losing them.

When you turn in a BOD worth 800 points but choose a reward that costs 700 points, you should not lose the extra 100 points.

No.  Then you can just buy the tool each time and never need to do Large Bods.

That makes no sense.  You can't buy another barbed kit with 100 points but after turning in more large BODs you'd get an extra kit with the leftover points.  Not sure how that's a game killer?

One I think the points left over from a choice should be stored for choice later not a fraction of them.  Second I have taken a book full of low end smith bods and filled them and in turning in I got wonderful bods in the mix. I was wearing the smith talisman not sure if it has any influence on it. But I did get a good bit back way higher in colored metals and many were parts. 
EZ  the hint is many don't want any of us to get ahead of what they call their territory.  Had a guy threaten me when I put items on my vendors he thought were under cutting him. All were cooking  smith and tailor rewards.. he went bonkers that I dare to lower his market sales.  I was huh?
People need to chill.. 

Ikeelu said:

@ Lady_Storm the thread is about you wanting something that benefits nobody but yourself. Keep it in the lines lady. 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this will benefit a lot more people than her.  And will enable us to have more completed trees at artisan festival, since we would be able to store the bods until time to hand em to the elf.  

If you;re butthurt by someone playing a platstyle that doesn't suit you, perhaps you need to be playing a solo game on the PS.