Bulk Order Deeds' BOOKS : Are there good chances that their item count will be reduced to 1 ?

From this Thread https://forum.uo.com/discussion/2797/bulk-order-deeds-who-is-working-on-it#latest , I seemed to understand that there is great hope that BODs' Books item count be reduced down to 1 item per Book, regardless how many BODs it may contain.

Question is, are there really good chances that this will happen or is this only a hopeless dream ?

Indeed, to my opinion, there seems to be much need to further reduce BOD books item count down from what it is now, so, if this really happened I think it would be a great thing, but will this really happen?

Still shouldn’t be done. Make magical bulk order deed books that do reduce to 1 with a limit of 125 and sell them for 4.99 a pop in the store. 

Because really the only other option for storage is $12.99 a month. So please, Broadsword shoot the other foot too. 

OUTSTANDING idea @popps, yes this needs to be done no matter what the nay sayers say.

YES, GIVE THE HAVES FREE STORAGE! Give them for free what you charge money for, just like shard shields! 

Ikeelu said:

YES, GIVE THE HAVES FREE STORAGE! Give them for free what you charge money for, just like shard shields! 

When I first started playing, I lived with my cousin and the only time I could play was after she went to bed. The char she had me to create was a crafter... In my early days I was constantly running out of storage for BODs. Back then it was only tailoring and blacksmith. It didn't take me long to run out of storage... When it became too much for just one house, I created another account and when I did I made a few other chars too. 

I had to quit playing a few times and each time, I came back, I had to gather BODs again. Gathering BODs became an addiction, its the first thing I did when I would log on... And when the new BODs came out, I would spend over an hour gathering BODs... But when the Artisan Festival began I got rid of thousands of the small BODs... to make room for the new...

I am a hoarder of BODs and it got so bad I had lot of vendors holding them, until the first castle and keep contest... I had to get rid of lot of my stash, just to be able to convert and this was even after I placed a keep to move all the stuff to, in order to convert.

The thing of it is, if they would make the books just 1 item count, I would still have the same amount of accounts. Each of my homes, have their own theme... the wedding chapel, the north pole, fishing shack, corner café, etc (includes hubbys)

one thing I like to keep these BODs for, is I like training up the skills & while doing so I can fill BODs at the same time. I build the skill and put it on a soulstone to send to other shards, so if I ever need something on the other shard, I could take care of it there... Right now I am building up Mrs Claus tailoring and kicking myself cause instead of adding the cloaks and robes to BODs... I am having to use the salvage bag on them... If they were 1 item count, I never would have had to gotten rid of them...

And since I did get rid of most of my BODs, now I am back to spending time gathering them all again... And I actually hadn't been gathering bods since last summer... guess i'm going to have to stop training tailoring, to go get some more bods... ugg

Ikeelu said:

YES, GIVE THE HAVES FREE STORAGE! Give them for free what you charge money for, just like shard shields! 

LMAO You do understand that a player from day one can collect BODs so I guess you must be one of those HAVES that this would help.

my hoarding is collecting... I collect all the gifts on every shard... And I do use said items but I also give them to people when they come back in game. And they really appreciate the help... everything is going to have their own place... I have one "home" specifically for Halloween type deco, monsters, pumpkins & is actually kinda a shrine to the 20th invasion (lof of mannequins with the outfits, just need to figure out if I want to keep Dots design or change it to a new design when the current design goes live). I used to have The North Pole exactly the way I wanted it but it was laggy cause of all the pavers I had placed in it. so when Queen Elsa's was added, I changed it up. With all the content after that, I haven't had time to finish decoing it... its a work in progress... Krampus gave my tamer some recipes that I want Mrs Claus to be able to make... And since I had to move all lockdown items and all my bods in order, to convert to the new design... its been a set back. And now to train up her skill, I am wishing I hadn't gotten rid of my collection... 

I am realizing how much a mistake it was getting rid of the ones I needed for training. To be honest I mostly sold them, so I could be able to afford to convert. That and I didn't want to have to put up vendors to be able to hold them at the keep & then take them down again to take them back to the original location... its lot of work.

stop hoarding start doing... there is so much to do in game. My main char is a tamer and I am in a guild that does nightly events. We just did Medusa, Lady M & dreadhorn just this week. When I get overwhelmed with decoing I go out and do the quests in Eodon… many of the quest items are great for deco... I have an idea for the fires of kukuzz… and the skull of motazz. And while doing this quest I get recipe drops and armor drops. And there is always the vicious macaws, where I gather the foil for Mrs Claus for Christmas. There are many other things I could do with my time, rather than having to gather more bods. If they were 1 item count, I wouldn't have to be gathering them any more. I never would have gotten rid of the ones I did & having to gather them again. 

People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them.

This being said, my bank box on my crafter is funny.  It has 10 items in it, 4 of which are BOD books.  I struggle to put things in my bank box now.  I know I need to bring them to my house, but just wanted to mention how easy it is to fill the bank box when you have BOD books.

*Slight tangent, but I'm starting to wonder if banking the points is worth it.  I hear you lose all of your points when you claim a reward and will not receive any left over points.  Is that true?  If so, wow thats messed up.  

I save all of the BODs I get. I use them when I am training up a skill. like right now I am trying to get cloak & robe BODs to fill. I usually always fill my large bods as soon as I get them. So that was never an issue... and I usually turn them in on one char that has higher skill so the return bods will be random. when  I do get on my crafter, so I can get a certain reward, I will do any bod... preferably cloth ones, to turn in for it. I don't mind banking the points, you used to get a randomized reward, now you can save your points to get something you really want. 

one thing that is aggravating is having my bod books scattered amongst all my houses. that's why I had to put them on vendors before, so they could be under one roof. And when they are in multiple houses, sometimes you have to switch accounts constantly just to be able to access them. it would be so much easier if they were one item. the devs wont do it cause it would just make us hoard, but we are already doing that... by making it one count, it would help us be able to access what we already have. I do need to build up my collection a lil bit, only for training purposes but beyond that I am not going to go overboard again.

the crafting community would love to have one item count books. It would make so many people happy that they can access their books all in one spot. I personally love that they did make it to where we could use it while locked down. I have been enjoying that. thank you devs for that. And I hope you would reconsider the item count. (can I suggest making a small bulk order book, holds 100 bods but counts as 1 lockdown)

Or you could just get picky about what BODs you collect. Other than "elf time" I turn down 3 for every 1 I take off the vendor. I also regularly go through my books to fill large even if I'm not planing to turn it in right away. 

But whatever turns you crank  🙂

dvvid said:

People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them.

This being said, my bank box on my crafter is funny.  It has 10 items in it, 4 of which are BOD books.  I struggle to put things in my bank box now.  I know I need to bring them to my house, but just wanted to mention how easy it is to fill the bank box when you have BOD books.

*Slight tangent, but I'm starting to wonder if banking the points is worth it.  I hear you lose all of your points when you claim a reward and will not receive any left over points.  Is that true?  If so, wow thats messed up.  

"People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them."

To the contrary, to my viewing there is ALL POINTS in hanging onto them....

Why so ?

Because one never knows when a Large BOD REQUIRING those smalls would come in....

Without accumulating ANY and ALL small BODs one would preclude to oneself the ability to fill those Larges as they come in....

Therefore, there is hardly any other alternative BUT to stock up them ALL and this, takes up item count too much, as many have lamented.

So much, that eventually one might have to stop playing for lack of any storage space....

Popps what are you trying to get as a reward? There is hardly anythjng useful past 550 points... Like i stated earlier giving you unlimited BoD storage would allow accounts to flood the market with BoDs and hurt current reward prices. You can pay for more storage, I suggest you do since you seem to need it. 

Ikeelu said:

Popps what are you trying to get as a reward? There is hardly anythjng useful past 550 points... Like i stated earlier giving you unlimited BoD storage would allow accounts to flood the market with BoDs and hurt current reward prices. You can pay for more storage, I suggest you do since you seem to need it. 

Unfortunately, a lot of the BODs rewards are on charges, be them Talismans, tools and what not.

Which it means, that they need to be gotten over and over in order to maintain the capacity to keep using that given tool or talisman etc....

And this requires, therefore, to have to accumulate BODs over and over and over which clogs up storage space too easily and too quickly as those playing in UO a lot with BODs eventually find out....

Reducing BOD Books to 1 item count, regardless whether they hold 1 BOD or 500 BODs, would greatly hekp players who enjoy doing BODs to keep playing this particular content in UO....

Gosh popps, sounds like you’re collecting BoDs and not actively playing a crafter doing them. I suggest researching the BoDs that will get the reward you’re after and scrapping the rest or doing them. If you even have 500 that’s more than I bet you could do in a month. Sorry but its simple fact that giving unlimited BoD storage would ruin the system, be happy you have a 4-1 reduction. 

popps said:

dvvid said:

People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them.

This being said, my bank box on my crafter is funny.  It has 10 items in it, 4 of which are BOD books.  I struggle to put things in my bank box now.  I know I need to bring them to my house, but just wanted to mention how easy it is to fill the bank box when you have BOD books.

*Slight tangent, but I'm starting to wonder if banking the points is worth it.  I hear you lose all of your points when you claim a reward and will not receive any left over points.  Is that true?  If so, wow thats messed up.  

"People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them."

To the contrary, to my viewing there is ALL POINTS in hanging onto them....

Why so ?

Because one never knows when a Large BOD REQUIRING those smalls would come in....

Without accumulating ANY and ALL small BODs one would preclude to oneself the ability to fill those Larges as they come in....

Therefore, there is hardly any other alternative BUT to stock up them ALL and this, takes up item count too much, as many have lamented.

So much, that eventually one might have to stop playing for lack of any storage space....

Not all smalls are included in the larges.  This is actually something that is really annoying to me.  But regardless of that, this means you do not need to save ALL of the BODs you get...because you actually do know which ones you need and which ones you don't based on what is online:

Example: https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/blacksmithing/blacksmith-bulk-orders/
Whatever isn't listed in the large BODs is not worth hanging onto.

Ikeelu said:

Gosh popps, sounds like you’re collecting BoDs and not actively playing a crafter doing them. I suggest researching the BoDs that will get the reward you’re after and scrapping the rest or doing them. If you even have 500 that’s more than I bet you could do in a month. Sorry but its simple fact that giving unlimited BoD storage would ruin the system, be happy you have a 4-1 reduction. 

"Gosh popps, sounds like you’re collecting BoDs and not actively playing a crafter doing them. I"

dvvid said:

popps said:

dvvid said:

People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them.

This being said, my bank box on my crafter is funny.  It has 10 items in it, 4 of which are BOD books.  I struggle to put things in my bank box now.  I know I need to bring them to my house, but just wanted to mention how easy it is to fill the bank box when you have BOD books.

*Slight tangent, but I'm starting to wonder if banking the points is worth it.  I hear you lose all of your points when you claim a reward and will not receive any left over points.  Is that true?  If so, wow thats messed up.  

"People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them."

To the contrary, to my viewing there is ALL POINTS in hanging onto them....

Why so ?

Because one never knows when a Large BOD REQUIRING those smalls would come in....

Without accumulating ANY and ALL small BODs one would preclude to oneself the ability to fill those Larges as they come in....

Therefore, there is hardly any other alternative BUT to stock up them ALL and this, takes up item count too much, as many have lamented.

So much, that eventually one might have to stop playing for lack of any storage space....

Not all smalls are included in the larges.  This is actually something that is really annoying to me.  But regardless of that, this means you do not need to save ALL of the BODs you get...because you actually do know which ones you need and which ones you don't based on what is online:

Example: https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/blacksmithing/blacksmith-bulk-orders/
Whatever isn't listed in the large BODs is not worth hanging onto.

@popps. You are mistaken in one area, bods may be put into a bod book at any point, empty, full or partially filled. I hope this information will help you.

Many posts removed. Some removed for rules violations some because of lost context due to said removals.

to be fair Mariah, that was a very very recent fix, it had been broken for years.

Mervyn said:

to be fair Mariah, that was a very very recent fix, it had been broken for years.

Not in EC at least I don't remember ever having that problem.

Mariah said:

@ popps. You are mistaken in one area, bods may be put into a bod book at any point, empty, full or partially filled. I hope this information will help you.

That's interesting, didn't know that..... thanks for the information.

It'd odd though.... I mean, a Small BOD for 20 plate Chests fitting in a BOD book ?

And along with that other Small BODs, all packed with their items in a "book" ?

@popps you go ahead and play anyway you want to.  I have 72 vendors at my FEL Castle that has nothing on them but BOD Books.  Enjoy your game and stop listening to the nay sayer.

Bilbo said:

@ popps you go ahead and play anyway you want to.  I have 72 vendors at my FEL Castle that has nothing on them but BOD Books.  Enjoy your game and stop listening to the nay sayer.

May I ask why to have Vendors to hold the BOD Books ?

why not simply put those BOD Books in containers inside the Castle and do without Vendors which cost gold to stay up ?

Mariah, EJ accounts cant use bod books

each vendor can hold 615 BODs (1 book at 500, 1 at 115)
many people did this when there was just 2 skills in BODs
now there are 8 skills in them...

it costs 60 gold a day to store them that way
and many crafters I know, started out having just one home
and BODs overload made it impossible to have just one home.
so you either place a new house or use vendors, or both...

lately I've been using BODs to train up the skills
and when I do that, I do 200-300 before turning them in.
before I got rid of most of my stash, I would use my higher skill char to turn in.
while training, I use the lower ones cause I can get the ones around my skill or slightly higher.

popps said:

Bilbo said:

@ popps you go ahead and play anyway you want to.  I have 72 vendors at my FEL Castle that has nothing on them but BOD Books.  Enjoy your game and stop listening to the nay sayer.

May I ask why to have Vendors to hold the BOD Books ?

why not simply put those BOD Books in containers inside the Castle and do without Vendors which cost gold to stay up ?

I answered your exact question in the previous post which you linked to in your post that created this thread.

popps said:

Bilbo said:

@ popps you go ahead and play anyway you want to.  I have 72 vendors at my FEL Castle that has nothing on them but BOD Books.  Enjoy your game and stop listening to the nay sayer.

May I ask why to have Vendors to hold the BOD Books ?

why not simply put those BOD Books in containers inside the Castle and do without Vendors which cost gold to stay up ?

Each vendor can hold 600 BODs and the vendor fees are very small plus it is a great way to name each vendor and sort your bods

Bilbo said:

popps said:

Bilbo said:

@ popps you go ahead and play anyway you want to.  I have 72 vendors at my FEL Castle that has nothing on them but BOD Books.  Enjoy your game and stop listening to the nay sayer.

May I ask why to have Vendors to hold the BOD Books ?

why not simply put those BOD Books in containers inside the Castle and do without Vendors which cost gold to stay up ?

Each vendor can hold 600 BODs and the vendor fees are very small plus it is a great way to name each vendor and sort your bods

And a Vendor that holds 600 BODs how many lockdown takes ?

NONE

popps said:

dvvid said:

popps said:

dvvid said:

People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them.

This being said, my bank box on my crafter is funny.  It has 10 items in it, 4 of which are BOD books.  I struggle to put things in my bank box now.  I know I need to bring them to my house, but just wanted to mention how easy it is to fill the bank box when you have BOD books.

*Slight tangent, but I'm starting to wonder if banking the points is worth it.  I hear you lose all of your points when you claim a reward and will not receive any left over points.  Is that true?  If so, wow thats messed up.  

"People who save tons of BODS, are you keeping the small ones that aren't part of the large ones?  If so, thats definitely an issue.  I usually do those and bank the points*.  No point in hanging onto them."

To the contrary, to my viewing there is ALL POINTS in hanging onto them....

Why so ?

Because one never knows when a Large BOD REQUIRING those smalls would come in....

Without accumulating ANY and ALL small BODs one would preclude to oneself the ability to fill those Larges as they come in....

Therefore, there is hardly any other alternative BUT to stock up them ALL and this, takes up item count too much, as many have lamented.

So much, that eventually one might have to stop playing for lack of any storage space....

Not all smalls are included in the larges.  This is actually something that is really annoying to me.  But regardless of that, this means you do not need to save ALL of the BODs you get...because you actually do know which ones you need and which ones you don't based on what is online:

Example: https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/blacksmithing/blacksmith-bulk-orders/
Whatever isn't listed in the large BODs is not worth hanging onto.

On the contrary, one NEEDS to stock up all of the BODs one gets....

Even for those larges which one does not want the Reward, since a Large BOD gives 20% Banking points versus the mere 2% of small BODs Banking points, it goes without saying that if one uses complete Large BODs towards getting banking points it would expedite reaching the total points as using only small BODs, and quite a faster track considering it is 20% vs. 2% banking points....

So, EVEN IF some Larges are of no interest to the crafter, nonetheless, waiting to have all of the Smalls to do that large BOD and use it to Bank points would grant a 20% Banking points progress as compared to a mere 2% Banking points progress thus STILL prompting the crafter to stock up any and all Bulk Order Deeds....

At least, that is the way I see it.

I don't know if you are seeing my point.  I'm saying that you don't need to save all of the smalls because some smalls are not included in larges.  For example, there are no large shield BODs, so hanging onto any small shield BODs is pointless.  I just do them and turn them in to get another BOD since I won't need them in the future.

Also, yeah you can put BODs in a book in any state...empty, partial, full. Hope this cuts down on space for you if you were not aware.

@dvvid a lot of shield bods are worth doing to get new bods or for PoF as they can be bribed up.  Just because a BOD does not go to a LBOD does not mean it is worthless

As of now we have no idea who is doing the work on the bod books.  That being said there are only a handful of people under Mesanna she can hand this off to. Misk is Q&A so he is out of the running as well.   That leaves Kyronix and Bleak.  Btw if one is reading this. the New book covers are having an issue of not marking the book for its type ie: Cooking, Inscription etc,
I do love the colors, oh and you cant put a bag of them on a vendor (container).
Ikeelu  we who work the bulk order need the books turned into what they should have been in the first place.  One item count no matter where its at.   House lockdowns, Vendors taking up space and creating lag,  the actual working on the things!   
I can attest to working on them a lot and its very frustrating to juggle the damn books to do just one large bod. As Popps said you have to hunt and peck for matches to the larges in a lot of other books.. this would all end if they were 1 item count.  To be honest the horde of bods I have would shrink greatly if I could get them all on my crafter to sort and fill the larges with what I got ...  omg that is a dream but  we need that dream. 

In the past I am sure the books were duped big time as some of those val and verite bod parts and jarges went for mills.  
Now... I get a val large or part every few days... they upped the rate of all bod types to drop.    
I use a spread sheet to keep this info and the copy of the dev wiki sheets on bulk orders. 
This is so I can work off line on the plans to work the next day.   
On Atlantic a lot of bod sellers have quit selling there is no money in it now.  This I was told by a player who once had a thriving bod business that is now down to handful of books that are slowly shrinking to nothing.   
Ikeelu  we tend to lump the past and present dev teams together so its not unheard of for you to put things on this team that actually got started by another who had very different thoughts of how things go in UO.   Mesanna's only concern is the duping of the books if made 1 item.  I can see it if the high end items were still so very hardtop get. But this new set up of bod rewards has made it more conducive to getting the bods you need by way of working the NPC turning in bods for higher ones.  Believe me all those small that don't have a use  really do.  Doing them has made turning in them a gateway to the ones I want. 
Someone asked me why do I bother doing the bods? 
I enjoy it and the items sell reasonably well so I can buy the junk in the game I want.  Now I will admit looking at the large amount of bods I own on multi shards does look like a mess and a hording issue. Only the explanation is very simple and any true crafter will tell you the same it can take a book full to get 1 6 part bod done with others needing part to boot.  in less then 2 weeks I can have a set of books filled in each skill and that's not joking and I bet you I might be able to fill from that pull of bods 2 to 5 larges.  I need the books to be like the others 1 item count and able to have my crafters work at them  not scrambling over my vendors searching for parts. ITs wasting my time and play.  The other factor  the dev need to consider is this hastle is costing them players when the frustration sets in.

OK back to the subject at hand. Meaning stop the cuts and bleeds.  
now back to the post at hand.....
I talked to a few people I know on about 6 shards and most of them agree we need the books to be 1 item count. Most do not understand why they were not this way to begin with. They also said that the idea of a way to see the recipes we don't have in our context menu on the tools accented  with the red *  was a great thing if the dev can do it.  
Friends on Catskills of which many are in hopes that who ever is doing this is listening. 
 @Kyronix @Bleak ; can you see who ever is doing it gives what we have said in both posts considers this stuff.   A way to get the recipe's that are missing too would be a big help.

Anyone who serves their country deserves respect in my opinion. As for the BOD book being one lockdown, I have crafters but no where near the amount as most here but if the BOD Books only took 1 lockdown then I would be very tempted to collect and do more BOD'S.

See …  many think exactly this way. 
Bods will give hubby's or the lady's a way to lock in a wife or hubby who likes puzzles and connect the dot stuff to try playing UO.. no I am not kidding.  
Over the years I made that query to some male friends who's mates were complaining of them spending time in the game and not doing something else.  It worked.
My nephew got me hooked by fishing!  
Bods keep idol fingers busy till a hunting party is ready to entice them to play. 
A whole guild on Napa left for a private shard  because the Then in charge Dev didn't listen to them on crafting.  Over 300 people left... poof in under a few months. My lady is the last member of that guild!  
Which goes to show you the power of the craft.