Sounds like what us CC users said when they introduced the EC lol. And then allowed people to mod it, all the while still keeping the CC mods outlawed.
All I hear from EC users is "man, I can't do the CC anymore, it sux, EC is so much better!"
So they are catching us CC users up to where yall are...finally.
don't fuss
I’m not able to log in and test at the moment but there’s a mixed message about the new dress feature:
for classic client it reads regarding dress:
”Item slots which are already occupied will be ignored.“
This is brilliant.
however uder enhanced client there’s no such update.
I hope this doesn’t mean the EC will retain its advantage for being able to dress an already occupied slot.
Will require testing.
I am very very impressed with the classic client updates, they made it very fair so dexxers no longer need to use EC to compete as you can arm the same way in CC now. Very impressed with the consumables macros.
Christmas has come early, I can’t beleive how many good changes there are.
I seriously can feel the love flowing in these forums today lol.
EC gets enough attention as it is. It was about damn time the CC finally got some improvements. It needed these updates badly.
I really like the weapon arming options. Is it possible to increase the number of recordable weapon sets to 5 or 6? That would be very helpful. Often times 4 weapons are not enough.
If the EC was better than the CC, then people would have flocked to it in droves...
funny how EC people get so salty just because CC got a couple of improvements
It's not the improvements to CC that bug me it's the nerfing of EC or improvements that aren't going to happen because there is no chance it can be done in CC.
Ignoring the usual pointless 'client wars' rubbish. Here are my thoughts.
Yes, there are some bugs in EC I would like to see fixed - however I don't suffer from all those others mention and I wonder if that's because I don't use Pinco's. I find the default ui perfectly adequate for my needs and have no reason to add that rather substantial package to my pc.
As to the recent additions to CC - here's my guess/assumption. If the team can add to the client the functionality of UO Assist, then Tugsoft can stop supporting a program he has long ago stopped using himself and probably finds a burden he can well do without and Broadsword/EA may be able to totally outlaw all 3rd party programs, possibly even making it that none of them can connect. Something much harder to do when there is one approved that has to be allowed access.
Come on, try harder, CC diehard. Its time to fight. Come on.
Don't know what you wnat me to say lol. Played CC twenty years, with no UO assist. Seems fine to me
I"ll say it, the devs know exactly how many people using the CC also use the program which shall not be named (how stupid is it that keep having to do this??), and they know how bad the numbers game will look if they were to ban them all, they're not stupid. So they're going to continue to update the CC to keep those subscribers.
It's unfortunate this thread has already devolved into the typical CC vs EC battle. I am an EC user. I cannot play on the CC. I personally find that client horribly antiquated. I could list everything I find wrong with that client, but I won't. I also understand some people prefer the CC, just like some people prefer the EC.
I for one am very happy for the CC changes in this patch, as it means those that like the CC are getting a better experience. I am not bitter or upset that CC got updates and the EC didn't. Maybe that's all Bleak had time to work on this patch. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to unravel the ancient code of the CC without breaking something else.
To those of you saying EC players are hypocrites for saying CC users can't play without 3rd party addons and then citing Pinco's. Well the EC was designed to support UI Mods (which is what Pinco's is, a UI mod, not a 3rd party program). Pinco's cannot do anything the client does not want it to do, unlike certain 3rd party CC programs.
To those of you that say "just delete the EC" or "just delete the CC", you really need to get over yourselves and realize that other people with different preferences play the game. If you just "delete" either client, you will lose a large portion of the playerbase. If they were to remove the EC suddenly and only support the CC, I know I would personally stop playing. I simply cannot play on the CC, it is way too clunky for me. Just like some of you cannot play on the EC because the 3d effect makes you dizzy, etc.
I've met many returning players that have said the EC has enabled them to return to the game. They have played other games with more modern interfaces, and they wanted to return to UO, but had a hard time with the CC again. The EC has provided a better transition for them to come back to the game.
Stop turning this into an EC vs CC battle, and instead just be happy the Devs are trying to improve the game experience where they can, even if it doesn't directly benefit you.
CC fixes and updates are long, looooong overdue. Be glad with your EC and your Pinco's. CC deserves a whole lot more lovin'...!
"Can it be done in both clients" is actually a very important concern. Without it you have an imbalance in the clients. Fair and balanced gameplay is a major concern in most games
You talk about choice of client. Before publish 103, there was no choice in client. If you wanted to win (pvp) you HAD to use EC on a warrior for its weapon swapping ability and running speed.
If you want to pvp with a mage you pretty much have to use CC. The EC casting slower than CC if you use cursor targeting and there’s no range check, conversely EC casting is faster but only if you play low skill level and use ECs auto targeting.
But yeah, our “choice”
Yep those are all examples of choices.
All are appropriate for a game as complicated as UO. If you don't like making them let me know and I'll tell you which are the right answers and how you should play the game.
Don't you have both clients installed ? I do even though I hate using CC there are times when it is the better choice.
Trying to make them both all things for all people and play style is doomed to fail and is holding them both back.
Pardon my ignorance, what function/s on EC has been downgraded to match CC?
LOL, all this arguing over a dress macro that was instant. It should have never been in the game to begin with regardless of client. If you want to dress instantly in UO , you dbl click your corpse, that's it. There is no reason for people to carry spare suits for luck or any other stat/skill. You guys were literally spoiled by a broken mechanic for years.
Once again the point I was trying to make was missed.
According to Kyronix's post the change to EC was to make it function the same as was possible it CC. Which is an example that Mervyn was asking for.
If there was another reason for him to make the change he did not mention it and if it was as desperately needed as you are saying why wasn't it fixed years ago.
If "There is no reason for people to carry spare suits for luck or any other stat/skill." why do people do it. Just because you don't is not a reason to ban it. As for it being a "broken mechanic" do you have some proof or is it another example of PVPer saying it so it must be the way the game is suppose to be.
If you log onto test centre right now, you’re able to insta switch suits on classic client as fast as you can in Enhance Client with no delay, as they haven’t yet introduced the undress requirement. So I don’t know what he meant by balancing the clients. As clearly its not a capability issue.
luck suit switching was just one example of too many to list of possible game mechanic subversions. If the luck check was made at a random point of a monster’s health deficiency, you would not be able to subvert the game mechanics so easily. Rather than try and introduce a hundred different things to negate insta suit swapping, the obvious solution is to fix the bug that allowed you to dress an already occupied slot.
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