Mesanna... We Really Deserve An Explanation. We're Not The "Enemy".

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 15:32 #0

What is the logic behind not having "customizable" castle and keep plots?

Being a logical person I simple can't understand the rational for this not happening. I simply and honestly don't get it. I don't see this current castle policy as reasonable or fair. We have the ability right now to build as high as anyone. There's maybe one or two shards where if you *really* want a castle you can't reasonable work a deal for one. The foot print really isn't an issue except we seem to base the entire game on what goes on with Atlantic. Most shards the castle is the only house in the area. Maybe if we didn't cater to Atlantic so heavily more people would play the other shards? If there were a logical answer to my original question maybe I could accept it. Maybe we can work out our differences? If there's not a logical answer to my question then exactly what are you trying to achieve?

Considering the percentage of people that own castles in this game this is a real brouhaha. It's all we've been talking about. This isn't going away. The customers don't see any aspect of the entire way this was handled as being fair. Is it just possible your making a huge mistake here? I can't imagine any other situation where the actual people effected are so entirely upset with a system mechanic that it wouldn't be addressed. It in no way effects the balance of the game. It's time to stick up for us the players and show us the support and respect we deserve. It's not a sin to say "Okay. I'm not real thrilled by this but the players deserve this to be fair". We got black dye tubs after all. You've said you don't think castles should have been put in the game. We get that. But how long are you going to punish us for that? Limit the height of a custom castle to the height of the current one or whatever. I don't know how to debate this as I have no idea of the logic behind the decision. When this many people disagree with a decision, and are this vocal about it for years, then there's gotta be a problem in there. I don't think we are all an unreasonable mob in general. Thank you for listening. At least I hope you take the time to.

Xare 2018-09-14 15:37 #1

Captain_Lucky said:

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies

I think this is all you will get at this point.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 15:38 #2

Is that all we deserve? 🙁

Xare 2018-09-14 15:41 #3

Captain_Lucky said:

Is that all we deserve? 🙁

At this point, yes. We keep paying to be beaten up like this.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 15:46 #4

Xare said:

Captain_Lucky said:

Is that all we deserve? 🙁

At this point, yes. We keep paying to be beaten up like this.

If one can logically justify a position, I might not like it but at least I could understand it, and have closure. If you can't logically explain it then what are we doing here? Maybe we can find acceptable common ground. Game balance sometimes you gotta carry a big hammer. But this isn't a game balance issue other than the aspect of it being unfair.

Xare 2018-09-14 15:49 #5

https://forum.uo.com/discussion/2222/your-ham-fisted-approach-to-game-design-is-sad

This post sums up my feeling the best so far.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 15:52 #6

Well I'm trying to take the high road and attempt to be constructive and polite. And trust me I'm repressing a lot lol

Arroth_Thaiel 2018-09-14 15:57 #7

Captain_Lucky said:
What is the logic behind not having "customizable" castle and keep plots?

From the Pub 101 feedback thread in the Test Center forum:

Kyronix said:
Skett said:
Can we please get customizable castle and keep lots on all shards
There's an enormous performance tradeoff when the server has to stream every object in a house multi (which is what happens in a custom house) as opposed to loading it from the client that you already have downloaded (which is what happens in the pre-fab houses). Because of this custom castle and keep plots are not likely to be seen outside of TC.

Kyronix said:
Sliss said:
Kyronix said:
There's an enormous performance tradeoff when the server has to stream every object in a house multi (which is what happens in a custom house) as opposed to loading it from the client that you already have downloaded (which is what happens in the pre-fab houses). Because of this custom castle and keep plots are not likely to be seen outside of TC.
There are lot of custom houses which in many areas like Malas stretch for miles. And the performance seems to be adequate. Why is it that castles that are few and far between would have a greater impact?
It has to do with several factors, mainly the biggest is the # of components in an 18x18 vs the # of components in a 32x32 that someone loaded full of components as part of their design. Combine this by the # of lockdowns/secures, unrestricted house addons (goza mats), and stone crafted items we soon get into very high numbers of objects. Also don't forget that this is in the context of a subserved. Just because you may be 200 tiles away, the subserver is still chugging away handling all this.

There's a great anecote floating around somewhere from one of the old teams that talks about a runaway bird spawn, we're talking 1000s of birds existing in one very small area. The lag was crushing, things like teleportation took forever, and nobody could figure out why until someone found these birds nested in some far away corner. Once the chirps were no more, the lag took off! (see what I did there? :P)

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 16:04 #8

But all said and done two 18x18 houses equals one castle and there are a ton of 18x18s out there. We can lose more birds, I'm okay with that

We put a man on the moon we could make this work. 🙂 I'm so happy we put a man on the moon, that works with everything

I appreciate the effort you put into your reply. Sounds like an Atlantic problem to me

Did test center crash and burn when everyone was building castles? Did recalling and such come to a halt?

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 16:19 #9

If anyone has seen my castle I'm pretty sure the amount of stone crafting I've put into it equals about that of any 3 custom houses. I don't notice any lag at all. There's so many solutions to this. Reduce the amount of items a custom house can hold. A combination of static and custom. So many options that might not be ideal but give us the choice. A common benefit. The current castle static outside walls with the insides gutted for customization. Perhaps an 18x18 area in the center to customize? I currently have so many walls and tiles I don't need trying to work around the current castle walls. I would rather have large open areas. Pretty sure I could reduce the server load over the current situation.

Sliss 2018-09-14 16:47 #10

The official excuse from a few days ago is the performance hit due to all the tiles. It does not seem plausible to me due to all the custom 18x18 doing just fine.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 17:01 #11

Sliss said:

The official excuse from a few days ago is the performance hit due to all the tiles. It does not seem plausible to me due to all the custom 18x18 doing just fine.

Well one can't find a solution if they don't look for one. Since this has been going on for years anyway... how about they create a program where we create a customized castle and submit it. A few days later or whatever it comes back as a static building option on our house sign? Maybe that's a little out there but no more so than what we are doing currently. It really sounds like a problem that doesn't exist in general. I don't remember hearing about all the test center reverts while this testing was going on. Test center probably had more houses on it than 95% of the live shards. God forbid we put some effort into making the game super exciting to a ton of people. Custom housing is probably easily among the top 5 coolest things UO ever did. I'm pretty fond of vendor search too. But lets keep that tradition rolling. I think a lot of this is based on "what ifs" other than actual fact. UO is failing us. I honestly don't believe they aren't smart enough to make this work. It's an issue that should have been put to bed long ago. Most shards are empty. How big of an issue can this actually be? Honestly.

Garth_Grey 2018-09-14 17:15 #12

You totally just heard me say that on Siege about customized to static, didn't you ? :P

Sliss 2018-09-14 18:16 #13

Captain_Lucky said:

Sliss said:

The official excuse from a few days ago is the performance hit due to all the tiles. It does not seem plausible to me due to all the custom 18x18 doing just fine.

Well one can't find a solution if they don't look for one. Since this has been going on for years anyway... how about they create a program where we create a customized castle and submit it. A few days later or whatever it comes back as a static building option on our house sign? Maybe that's a little out there but no more so than what we are doing currently. It really sounds like a problem that doesn't exist in general.

No solution is needed. The performance excuse is a recent one. In previous years Mesanna stated more than once that customizable plots are not gonna happen because she does not want people making Borg cubes. This is the real reason. Producer in a sandbox game with arguably best customizable housing in the industry feels it's her place to impose her sense of aesthetic propriety on the players.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 18:45 #14

Garth_Grey said:

You totally just heard me say that on Siege about customized to static, didn't you ? :P

Honestly no. Not a board I keep track off. But great minds think alike!

Skett 2018-09-14 18:51 #15

They keep saying we can’t have customizable castles/ keeps because of lag
well most shards are dead so that’s no going to be a problem
how about after we commit to a design they make it a prefab
I don’t buy the lag thing at all they can make it work if they tried

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-14 19:00 #16

Sliss said:

Captain_Lucky said:

Sliss said:

The official excuse from a few days ago is the performance hit due to all the tiles. It does not seem plausible to me due to all the custom 18x18 doing just fine.

Well one can't find a solution if they don't look for one. Since this has been going on for years anyway... how about they create a program where we create a customized castle and submit it. A few days later or whatever it comes back as a static building option on our house sign? Maybe that's a little out there but no more so than what we are doing currently. It really sounds like a problem that doesn't exist in general.

No solution is needed. The performance excuse is a recent one. In previous years Mesanna stated more than once that customizable plots are not gonna happen because she does not want people making Borg cubes. This is the real reason. Producer in a sandbox game with arguably best customizable housing in the industry feels it's her place to impose her sense of aesthetic propriety on the players.

Well my response is... you really don't see Borg Cubes that much in 18x18s. Most do it up with some style. No reason this wouldn't hold true with castles. Castles have more room to work with so they would be less likely not to get creative. PLUS 2 18x18s has noticeably MORE storage than a castle and have a larger foot print so it really isn't like we're talking a big difference. We're really talking a slightly larger house. The server lag argument really doesn't hold up.

Mariah 2018-09-14 19:16 #17

Some posts have been removed. A little less venom and a bit more respect please.

Pawain 2018-09-14 22:26 #18

Mariah said:

Some posts have been removed. A little less venom and a bit more respect please.

I didnt get to read those. Can you please PM me the posts?

Xare 2018-09-14 22:27 #19

Pawain said:

Mariah said:

Some posts have been removed. A little less venom and a bit more respect please.

I didnt get to read those. Can you please PM me the posts?

Having read and made some of those posts, there is nothing to be gained from you reading them.

Uriah_Heep 2018-09-14 23:26 #20

Mariah...Ultima Onlines Antivenom! buahahaaha 😂

Violet 2018-09-15 02:41 #21

Captain_Lucky said:
how about they create a program where we create a customized castle and submit it. A few days later or whatever it comes back as a static building option on our house sign? Maybe that's a little out there but no more so than what we are doing currently. It really sounds like a problem that doesn't exist in general

I was talking about this idea with a guildie. I presented it as such, they want a gold sink make a true one:

offer a housing tool for alot of gold, also offer it for sov's. This way if you cannot afford it in game, you aren't going to other sites and UO profits.
You make the castle on TC, get it approved, and it's added as a static house for you to place on on live servers.

the gold sink/extra revenue they want.
the option, albeit pricey, for the castle we truly want.

I would be willing to pay a pretty penny for the keeps/castles I want. To me that is a REAL luxury item.

Lady_Storm 2018-09-15 03:24 #22

I hate to be the fly in the ointment... but you forget who runs this show... Bonnie Armstrong.

She has good and sound reasons not to let plots be on the list. It was hell to get her to let us do these! The choices are set. its not a plot you can change.. This was the whole idea.. set houses.

Mesanna Explained why it had to be... some of "us" didn't except these facts and think if they do all the under 5 year old stunts she will change her mind...

I got news for you.... You have a better chance of winning the mega millions jacpot

I have seen the monster buildings some have made... You cant tell me it will not happen. You and I know you can bet your bottom dollar in the first minutes of an open plot of castle size a "BORG" cube will show up.

Lag is bad enough when you pass a fully designed home I can only imagine the nightmare on Atlantic if one got its foothold there!

I did see sticker shock at the first offering cost of the new buildings.... but I had to agree it would cut the gross gold running around the shards. The lower price is still a good sink

Sliss 2018-09-15 08:33 #23

Lady_Storm said:
I have seen the monster buildings some have made... You cant tell me it will not happen. You and I know you can bet your bottom dollar in the first minutes of an open plot of castle size a "BORG" cube will show up.
Lag is bad enough when you pass a fully designed home I can only imagine the nightmare on Atlantic if one got its foothold there!
I did see sticker shock at the first offering cost of the new buildings.... but I had to agree it would cut the gross gold running around the shards. The lower price is still a good sink

And if, God forbid, someone makes a castle sized Borg cube, the problem with it is what exactly? UO is a sandbox, and people pay to have the freedom to play as they chose. While we are at it, should Mesanna put together some rules about how players should dress their characters? So many are not color matched, and others mix styles with atrocious effects. Should not that be policed as well? I am sorry if I don't find Mesanna's sense of beauty being offended as a "good and sound reason" to reject a feature that is requested by so many, and that can give players months of game play with minimal dev time investment.

As far as the lag, I have no idea what antique PC you are running UO on, but the only lag I ever experience is when near a castle that is filled with manequins (there is someone on my shard who has an army of them). I do not recall ever getting lag just from structures. Moreover, houses don't even load the internal stuff unless you go inside, so I am sorry, I am not buying the lag excuse.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-15 13:28 #24

Lady_Storm said:

I hate to be the fly in the ointment... but you forget who runs this show... Bonnie Armstrong.
She has good and sound reasons not to let plots be on the list. It was hell to get her to let us do these! The choices are set. its not a plot you can change.. This was the whole idea.. set houses.
Mesanna Explained why it had to be... some of "us" didn't except these facts and think if they do all the under 5 year old stunts she will change her mind...
I got news for you.... You have a better chance of winning the mega millions jacpot
I have seen the monster buildings some have made... You cant tell me it will not happen. You and I know you can bet your bottom dollar in the first minutes of an open plot of castle size a "BORG" cube will show up.
Lag is bad enough when you pass a fully designed home I can only imagine the nightmare on Atlantic if one got its foothold there!
I did see sticker shock at the first offering cost of the new buildings.... but I had to agree it would cut the gross gold running around the shards. The lower price is still a good sink

She may have good or sounds reasons in her mind. That's why I asked. It appears we don't rate a response. Ever play a game where the game developers actually talk with the players? It's a very cool thing. I don't mean just to farm information but have actual dialogs about issues. 5 year old stunts? Really? You would not believe how hard I'm trying to be civil then get slapped with comments like this. But Since you support the status quo I guess your posts can stand. I know some people are still running Vista and playing this game but if you've got lag it's time to buy a computer made in the 2000s. Nothing is cast in stone, how many times has the PvP system been revamped and re-imagined? The current system has clearly been a mistake and waste of time and it's time to get serious with a system that works. If your gonna do it, do it right. I seldom post before coffee but I did today anyway. I don't know your excuse for the personal insults but you should apologize and a fair moderator would have removed it by now. Let's see what happens. If I'm forced to respond as an adult others should be held to the same standard. Sliss states it so well in general with his rebuttal that I'll tip my hat and leave it at that.

jaytin 2018-09-15 13:32 #25

I only get lag when I actually try to enter a property with a huge amount of items/stone pavers/extra walls not when I casually pass them by, but I am in the EC with a very new PC. I can't imagine anything would still run properly on Vista, it wasn't great even when it was new!

Uriah_Heep 2018-09-15 13:40 #26

"I know some people are still running Vista and playing this game"

Yup and loving it LOL. Dunno who dimed me out... I did upgrade to a wireless mouse and keyboard tho. 😂

Have little lag tho. And I don't buy into that either, much. True, Luna lags like hell. On Atlantic. Otherwise even I don't notice a lot when running thru the world. But it is what it is, we will take what they give us, what they mete out to us, and keep paying.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-15 14:35 #27

Uriah_Heep said:

"I know some people are still running Vista and playing this game"

Yup and loving it LOL. Dunno who dimed me out... I did upgrade to a wireless mouse and keyboard tho. 😂

Have little lag tho. And I don't buy into that either, much. True, Luna lags like hell. On Atlantic. Otherwise even I don't notice a lot when running thru the world. But it is what it is, we will take what they give us, what they mete out to us, and keep paying.

Had to zing ya back for the "rares collectors" dig brother lol Although I wasn't directly thinking of you when I posted. Maybe it was in the back of my mind somewhere. But you should buy a new computer anyway. Help out the economy. I still miss XP which I though was the best gaming platform ever.

Petra_Fyde 2018-09-15 14:45 #28

sometimes you see something that makes you think

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-15 14:57 #29

Petra_Fyde said:

sometimes you see something that makes you think

I've seen a lot worse that weren't cubes.

Uriah_Heep 2018-09-15 15:03 #30

It isn't the cube that's offensive to me, its that tileset lol

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-15 15:12 #31

Uriah_Heep said:

It isn't the cube that's offensive to me, its that tileset lol

Yeah I hear ya. I fought like crazy 20 years ago when they introduced the named colored statues as a gift, lol. Don't even get me started on neon colors. I really liked a traditional time period look. Although I guess back in the pyramid days they did love painting statues with bright colors. Anyway, in any system like UO there will be people that do things we don't agree with. I'm ok with that. But like in society we don't throw everyone in prison because we all have the potential to be a murderer. 99% of the people will do wonderful and amazing things. We shouldn't punish the entire player base for the actions of a few. And honestly I'm not totally turned off by the custom build there. Someone is living their dream and if they're happy I'm happy.

Uriah_Heep 2018-09-15 15:18 #32

Yeah it doesn't bother me, since it's not next door! LOL

jaytin 2018-09-15 15:44 #33

It's the cube made of that tile-set *shudders*

The_Higgs_1 2018-09-15 17:25 #34

every design that they chose cept for the tokuno one is basically a borg cube. I don't understand that logic. Also these places will still cause lots more lag then the originals. I still think it was a huge waste of time to even do. It would've been easier to just let a few things be customizable on the original castle and keep, which is all that people wanted anyway.

Sliss 2018-09-15 17:27 #35

Petra_Fyde said:

sometimes you see something that makes you think

Yeah, I think it's ugly too. But whoever built it liked it. I don't have to live in that. If there is customization, I can live in the one I find the most pleasing. It's the beauty of sandbox. So why prohibit something based on what you find offensive when someone else clearly does not?

Andrasta 2018-09-15 18:19 #36

I would pay the 300 million for a Customizable castle.

Bilbo 2018-09-15 18:54 #37

Here is hoping that next contest a Castle and a Keep is made just like their Classic ones look only with the inside walls removed, stairs/teleport tiles on the south wall and a 2/3 floor added the top floor (now the 4th) can stay the same wins

jaytin 2018-09-15 20:08 #38

That was my hope for this contest, but those designs didn't get the votes and they are apparently not what the Dev team were looking for. It's very frustrating when it would take much less time to do than to build a new design from scratch.

MissE 2018-09-15 22:34 #39

You can't build it like the existing castle as you don't have the correct tiles to use, no half wall grey stones etc. You have tall walls and the tiny wall that's it. None of the accessory bits like pillars etc. They need to update the tiles that are available in the grey granite to be able to do that. You could make it in the sandstone as that seems to have much better tile options but that would be very 'hmm orangey' which is what put me off.

jaytin 2018-09-15 22:50 #40

Might have been a good idea to give complete stone sets along with the design tool.

MissE 2018-09-15 23:48 #41

jaytin said:

Might have been a good idea to give complete stone sets along with the design tool.

It is one thing that has always bugged me when designing, you can get x piece in this color but not in that color, or y bit as a square arch on one but not another etc. I would love for them to just get every possible tile/roof/accessory bit and make every bit the same across all material types. Never understood why I can get a sandstone block pillar but not a granite one, or a sandstone half wall but not a granite one. And on those small pieces, some come with a nth-sth, east-west running piece and corner structure, yet other material types just 'miss' the corner structure so you end up with holes on the corners etc.

If they did one thing for housing, getting someone to streamline it and just 'fix' it so all pieces are available in all tile sets it would be great. It would then mean just re-hue-ing the whole set when they wanted to introduce a 'new' building tile with nothing missed out.

Lady_Storm 2018-09-16 06:31 #42

Well Florence did put all on the east coast on notice.. and to be honest where she lives and works was not far from rivers or the Atlantic Ocean. Were all 3 states were put on notice to beat feet to higher ground just in case...

Now I will mention running UO is nearly a thankless job... one minute crowds are happy with all you do and seconds later your the vile creature that has done things you do not wish for...

If you need clarification of how EA deals with players go look up the original messages on the boards if they still are there. I have been in UO so long and have seen how they(LP's) deal with us... its not that nice.

Mesanna has been better then most of them. The lady does have our best interest at heart. She has let us talk her into tons of stuff the original EA Staff after the takeover would never of given us. I for one am glad she has busted her fanny for UO.

BUT... I do mean BUT. she has limits even she cant cross. It may be 2018 but this game matrix/bit mapping is 1996/7 made. Its a old code that doe not like to be touched... sounds like a few people I know..hehe

Sliss 2018-09-16 07:12 #43

Lady_Storm said:
If you need clarification of how EA deals with players go look up the original messages on the boards if they still are there. I have been in UO so long and have seen how they(LP's) deal with us... its not that nice.
Mesanna has been better then most of them. The lady does have our best interest at heart. She has let us talk her into tons of stuff the original EA Staff after the takeover would never of given us. I for one am glad she has busted her fanny for UO.
BUT... I do mean BUT. she has limits even she cant cross. It may be 2018 but this game matrix/bit mapping is 1996/7 made. Its a old code that doe not like to be touched... sounds like a few people I know..hehe

Being better than EA, a company voted the worst in America, twice, is a pretty low bar if you ask me. I would not advertise that. And being "talked into tons of stuff" is called listening to your customers. It's part of her job, and pretty much determines how long that job is going to exist. Again, nothing to be especially proud about.
And now in your quest to come up with excuses for her, you seem to imply that she'd love to give us customisable castles, but can't. Because limits. All the while she plainly stated that the reason is that she does not want to see Borg cubes, i.e. this is her personal preference.
And when someone's personal preference stands in the way of giving customers hundreds of hours of game play, maybe, just maybe, it would be beneficial for the state of the game to stop gushing about someone occasionally doing their job, and voice our displeasure when that does not happen?

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-16 13:35 #44

Mesanna has been very good to me on several occasions. She's gone above and beyond for me a coup[le times with in game problems even coming to my castle to work out an issue. I'm not one to forget things like that. But we can still be civil about things we disagree with and hope she decides to come up with a way to make this a fair situation. I'd say it's safe to say most players don't find the current castle situation acceptable and really the just thing to do is to hammer out a solution. But if she doesn't hear out pleas then something will certainly not be attempted. How else would she know if we don't speak up in unison?

Lady_Storm 2018-09-16 15:20 #45

Sliss my point was had we still been under EA control none of this would have come about. Mesanna has been very good to the players of the game, many are not appreciative of this. They are of the crowd who say what have you done for me lately type.. I have heard her many times at the meet n greets say she would love to do more but time and game constraints do hinder most requests. This does not stop the hard heads from screaming their point. Even though she has said she will add it to the list of things to consider adding. That's so far better then the EA guys would have ever done.

Yes I agree the castle and keep project is not perfect...I'd love sandstone, and I do agree the house tool for building is not perfect and needs more things added to fill out big gaps in the parts.

I have been frustrated many times building when you can find a part in one style but not others that even come close to the color/style mats I need. The tool was never finished in its offerings per type... sort of like the angles of things too. chair can turn one way from the offering but you really need the other facings... being told it was a time constraint gets old. I'd much rather have a mini publish / patch to add more... it would be worth the disruption

Bilbo 2018-09-16 15:35 #46

@Lady_Storm when did we come out from under the control of EA? Did I miss something, did EA sell UO to someone. EA still owns and controls UO just because they turned over management to a company that it employees used to work directly for them and still do indirectly because the money still comes from EA.

Sliss 2018-09-16 16:18 #47

Lady_Storm said:

Sliss my point was had we still been under EA control none of this would have come about. Mesanna has been very good to the players of the game, many are not appreciative of this. They are of the crowd who say what have you done for me lately type..

I believe Captain_Lucky above summarized my position perfectly. I am appreciative of what Mesanna has done for the game. I know it has been quite a lot of good things. However, she is not infallible, and I don't think her achievements mean she should not be criticized when there is a problem.

BardrisCaller1 2018-09-16 17:02 #48

If we're complaining about aesthetics and how a crystal borg cube would look terrible next to your gray stone walls, why is no one complaining about all white marble houses being placed next to brick or log cabins? It's been around forever in this game lol. It would just be bigger. Right now, my house by Luna is Sandstone sitting next to a large marble which is right behind a tower which is all sitting on grass that's floating in outer space. Aesthetics have never been a thing.

Lady_Storm 2018-09-16 21:46 #49

I love the marble, sandstone, and other stone types. stonework we have and would adore them in the house works. After looking at the chosen buildings on the wiki so I could see the floor plans I must say they are inventive. Some things I would remove or move for more useful areas.. but all in all they are nice. BUT.. that big blue ice monster is one thing I will not condone. Its made to catch the eye and make you sick. Can you imagine being the next door neighbor? where it covers up a good portion of your home... Yes I have seen one... yuk!!

btw...

Everyone needs to learn to know how far you may step into another's space. Criticism is good for a bit but always remember that there is person in that space.

Some people take criticism to heart.

drcossack 2018-09-17 16:25 #50

Lady_Storm said:

Mesanna has been better then most of them. The lady does have our best interest at heart. She has let us talk her into tons of stuff the original EA Staff after the takeover would never of given us. I for one am glad she has busted her fanny for UO.

...so she has to be talked into improving the game or giving the playerbase things they might want, all so they can enjoy their gameplay? Giving suggestions/feedback (feedback that is, especially where publishes are concerned, is often ignored) is one thing, but when her personal art taste (Which I agree with in regards to the Borg Cube look, but that's neither here nor there) takes precedence over what the players might want, I think there's a bit of an issue - if players want to design something the Lead Producer doesn't like, he (or she) should keep quiet about it and let them do it.

Lady_Storm said:

I love the marble, sandstone, and other stone types. stonework we have and would adore them in the house works. After looking at the chosen buildings on the wiki so I could see the floor plans I must say they are inventive. Some things I would remove or move for more useful areas.. but all in all they are nice. BUT.. that big blue ice monster is one thing I will not condone. Its made to catch the eye and make you sick. Can you imagine being the next door neighbor? where it covers up a good portion of your home... Yes I have seen one... yuk!!
btw...
Everyone needs to learn to know how far you may step into another's space. Criticism is good for a bit but always remember that there is person in that space.
Some people take criticism to heart.

I know you're Mesanna's #1 fan, and all of us are aware how tough the devs job is. Taking criticism to heart? Yes, some people do...but Mesanna clearly isn't one of them. Even so, if someone wants to design a big ice blue eyesore, why not let them? 100 people might not like the design of something, but the person that designed it clearly does.

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-19 14:08 #51

I guess we DON'T deserve an explanation! Peasants....

Uriah_Heep 2018-09-19 14:21 #52

You get back to the grind, and quit stirring up trouble

Captain_Lucky 2018-09-19 14:38 #53

Want my dang castle! Grrrrrrrrr

Sliss 2018-09-19 21:00 #54

Captain_Lucky said:

I guess we DON'T deserve an explanation! Peasants....

You get one explanation, you might decide to ask something else and ain't nobody got time for that!

Mesanna... We Really Deserve An Explanation. We're Not The "Enemy".

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