Attacking Matriarch but Not getting a Drop

Two times in a row, the death of the matriarch has failed to reward me a drop. I'm using one of my weaker characters. He is a basic GM mage but I am working on archery. I do have a reptile slaying talisman for my bow but my spells are just ordinary. 

I know I have arrived late to the fight with other characters and did like one attack before the matriarch died and it still rewarded me then. 

However, this GM mage has done two battles and I know I have hit with several energy bolts and arrows. I don't do tons of damage plus I am getting attacked and fighting the mobs and healing people and now twice I have not received a drop.

I'm wondering if I need to put in a ticket or if this is normal. Does any one know exactly what constitutes getting the a reward satchel?

What shard? Is the account you speak of EJ? 

If you are doing a lower pop shard; you might need to "do more" vs if you are on ATL where a few hits/heals gets you credit. Also, I think I saw someone else mention EJ's cannot get a reward so if the account is EJ that might be the reason.

I have done a low pop server where I hit the matriarch once and still get a drop.  

Maybe pull some health bars and heal through the fight.

Rocko said:

I have done a low pop server where I hit the matriarch once and still get a drop.  

Maybe pull some health bars and heal through the fight.

This.  Healing always gets me drops. O matter the shard.

Atlantic and it is a paid account. 

I did the matriarch again and got a drop so it is working. Just twice in a row I got stiffed. 

I'm focusing more on the heals and the pets doing most of the damage. Not sure if healing the pets that are doing most of the fighting helps.

In my experience healing oneself does not make a difference.  

Better question, what client? There's your answer

username said:

Better question, what client? There's your answer

EC

Yes since gargs don't do well there, they converted to heal bots.  I have no clue if just healing gets a drop.  But its convenient for the archers and melee that are near.  The ones by me heal my pets.

There is a small chance that you wont get a drop if you get minimum points.  I can put a pet on in the last stage if I am close enough to allow the pet to get a bite,Ill get a drop.  I probably take damage and die doing that so dying also gets you points toward the bag.

Pawain said:

Yes since gargs don't do well there, they converted to heal bots.  I have no clue if just healing gets a drop.  But its convenient for the archers and melee that are near.  The ones by me heal my pets.

There is a small chance that you wont get a drop if you get minimum points.  I can put a pet on in the last stage if I am close enough to allow the pet to get a bite,Ill get a drop.  I probably take damage and die doing that so dying also gets you points toward the bag.

Healing Pets will get you a drop, but only other's pets. You do not get credit for healing yourself or your pet in my experience. I will pull bars of pets and find the one being hit the most and keep healing it with a spell or two in between. I haven't missed a drop yet.

Yes, that's by design also ressing and healing them after doesn't count.  A way to make you heal others and play together.  Damage taken helps new players get points.  I think it is a good design. Atlantic is laggy, the Matriarch is only red for a few seconds.  The first few times a player does it, they don't know how to maneuver, My toons can barely move on Atl. I don't see how archers can stay alive because of the lag.

A player can walk in take damage, get killed and get a drop.  That player has the same chance at getting the mature egg as every other player. 

This is based on the NL drop system.  It gives all players the same chance to get the drop. A certain old guy has asked for that for years. The more you do the more chances you get.  It is not based on the old top damager system.  Its not based on I played 5 mins last week I should get a drop today. 

Pawain said:

Yes, that's by design also ressing and healing them after doesn't count.  A way to make you heal others and play together.  Damage taken helps new players get points.  I think it is a good design. Atlantic is laggy, the Matriarch is only red for a few seconds.  The first few times a player does it, they don't know how to maneuver, My toons can barely move on Atl. I don't see how archers can stay alive because of the lag.

A player can walk in take damage, get killed and get a drop.  That player has the same chance at getting the mature egg as every other player. 

This is based on the NL drop system.  It gives all players the same chance to get the drop. A certain old guy has asked for that for years. The more you do the more chances you get.  It is not based on the old top damager system.  Its not based on I played 5 mins last week I should get a drop today. 

Yep, That NL System is nice, and they tweaked it out over the season. I could run in last minute, heal a battered player/pet and get a drop. and it seemed like a weekly cycle as well, If I got a drop it'd be bit until i'd get something besides an EQ Scroll (lol) Overall that system works great.

Rocko said:

username said:

Better question, what client? There's your answer

EC

That was clearly a question for the OP that isn't receiving drops................

BARD BUFFS SHOULD BE PASSIVE that is all 

Im on CC. 

I hadn't missed a drop until today and I know I dealt damage. 

Ill let you know as I find out more. I may take a couple of bouts and just test only healing and only dying.

Thanks guys.

I do like this system. I first found out about it during the Demon Meatballs. I could get a few hits in and get a drop. Then, the Mistas seige and I could hit the commanders pretty much 1 time and be set to get a few arties. Though, I vaguely remember this happening with them rarely. A few times I think I'd hit them a ton and then no drop. 

Just logged in with it in ilsh on LS.  Ran one guy it was 50% so figures I could run another.  He arrived at last stage.  Luckily pet got right on him.  Both got  a bag.

Once you get a routine.  You will get a bag every time.

azuldemogogu said:

Im on CC. 

I hadn't missed a drop until today and I know I dealt damage. 

Ill let you know as I find out more. I may take a couple of bouts and just test only healing and only dying.

Thanks guys.

I do like this system. I first found out about it during the Demon Meatballs. I could get a few hits in and get a drop. Then, the Mistas seige and I could hit the commanders pretty much 1 time and be set to get a few arties. Though, I vaguely remember this happening with them rarely. A few times I think I'd hit them a ton and then no drop. 

There has been a time or two where my fully developed sampire hasn't gotten a bag even though I hit the matriarch. With everything going on there I just hardly ever know how much damage I'm doing so I chalked it up to not doing enough. There was once where my tamer also didn't get a drop when I was testing doing no damage but I think the couple of players I healed either weren't damaged by the matriarch or I didn't heal enough...since then I always try to get a few spells off (with the dragon slayer spellbook equipped) in addition to healing others and that has worked every time.

It's likely something odd as to why you didn't get a drop which seems to also be your experience in Mistas (mine too). 

username said:

Rocko said:

username said:

Better question, what client? There's your answer

EC

That was clearly a question for the OP that isn't receiving drops................

Was it clear?  You didn't quote the OP and your post was not directly after the OP.

Rocko said:

username said:

Rocko said:

username said:

Better question, what client? There's your answer

EC

That was clearly a question for the OP that isn't receiving drops................

Was it clear?  You didn't quote the OP and your post was not directly after the OP.

Yes, painfully obvious. Many other people are replying to the OP without quoting and no one else got confused. Plus, my post has nothing at all to do with yours. Piece it together.

username said:

Rocko said:

username said:

Rocko said:

username said:

Better question, what client? There's your answer

EC

That was clearly a question for the OP that isn't receiving drops................

Was it clear?  You didn't quote the OP and your post was not directly after the OP.

Yes, painfully obvious. Many other people are replying to the OP without quoting and no one else got confused. Plus, my post has nothing at all to do with yours. Piece it together.

OP says he uses basic CC to play in another thread.  This issue will be mute because that was the first time he fought it on Atl.  We all know you get a drop 99.5% of the time if you arrive before the boss is dead.  I just pulled in a toon on LS when it was at the last stage again, got a bag for getting the pet to bite it once.  Not many playing today so I'll bring more in as needed to kill fast so they can dig up more nests while I deco and pet train.

OP has to get used to the content to have success, notice they just started chests and need advice on those because same issue.  

Did one on GL earlier while trading. Nice players. They made a gate as the nest was being finished.

My guy had 90 magery, had to cast Blade spirits. I doubt any lasted long enough to hit the boss.

I got a bag.

huh... strange, I get no lag at matriarch on atlantic, must be CPU-GPU hitching... crashes yes but they happen anytime anywhere from 1-10 times a day. My principal cause of death in game is the client just closing itself, no warning to error message, shwoop.

But I've noticed there is a minimum amount of damage to get a drop and to get looting rights, you get the full drop when you do get looting rights. If you don't make enough DPS you end up with the "partial drop" like 2-6 blue arties.

Took my most powerful pet to it, although it makes damage, I'm not sure his damage counts as my damage because that never worked once.

Now I just keep my pet by me to heal me, and I mana dump with a SDI suit... luck suit clearly had no difference, and I can do full SDI without thinking about mana regen, because the window to make damage is small.

Since I did this I always got a full drop of 10-14 blue arties, and personal looting rights... but as I've said before never any deco egg or tree or mature egg... only blue arties and skirts lol

Ahua said:

But I've noticed there is a minimum amount of damage to get a drop and to get looting rights, you get the full drop when you do get looting rights. If you don't make enough DPS you end up with the "partial drop" like 2-6 blue arties.

I don't think this is true at all. I've did 10 damage and the died and gotten 'rare' drops. 

Loot rights is a binary, you either get it or you don't. If you get it, you are eligible for the entire pool of drops... if you don't get it, you get nothing.

We did one on LS that acted weird.  The boss had a grey bar.  My pets kept disappearing.  No spell animations. 
Neither guy got a bag. 

Turns out it was on a server line.  Those on the other side got drops.

Maybe this is what happened... also perhaps the fact you die does give you a participation. 

Ahua said:

Maybe this is what happened... also perhaps the fact you die does give you a participation. 

Give, take, or heal damage(on others for heal) is the way to get drops in this system iirc. Dying usually does include taking damage.

A chart for the no eggs story.

I thought I'd try the matriarch earlier with my paladin, didn't go to plan. I rushed in and died pretty much straight away, not even sure I got a hit in. Anyway, after some kind soul ressed me to my surprise I found I had gotten a purple bag with deco eggs. Not a big beautiful one but alot more than I was expecting. Will stick to my tamer in future 

Mordeed said:

I thought I'd try the matriarch earlier with my paladin, didn't go to plan. I rushed in and died pretty much straight away, not even sure I got a hit in. Anyway, after some kind soul ressed me to my surprise I found I had gotten a purple bag with deco eggs. Not a big beautiful one but alot more than I was expecting. Will stick to my tamer in future 

Yup. Especially in events on Atlantic.   To prevent something or a large crowd from killing the boss too fast, the devs add kill everyone coding.  It slows these type of fights down on Atlantic. 

Someday I'll learn to run from the fire not with it.

Archer or throwers can fight.  Tamer lets you watch the others run along the fire. You can heal/res and send em back.

The bots took 2 weeks to appear on Atlantic.  They knew they would just die. They became healers for the burning men.

Atlantic is better now.  They still make nests often but not as many go. So the boss is red for more than 2 seconds now.

I've been doing the dungeons to buy more maps this morning... 2 hours 2000+ kills (for sure) with my best pet... I got *one* minor artie drop. I'm completely alone, no competing players.

Also crashed 8 times... I'm really looking forward to next patch, if I play 4 hours per day I crash on average 10-15 times. 🙁 removed all graphic options and its only slightly improved. My computer can run Cyberpunk on epic so I'm not sure what is up with that.

two matriarchs as well... not a single blue artie drop... people around me say its just me... *sigh*

I guess I'm not going to be doing maps tonight. I do the exact same thing I always did.

The drop armor is in the 2 larger maps. Maybe the smaller ones can give 1 o 2.

Ive gotten over 5000 points on Atl just from matriarchs.  I have 8 of the purple mounts. Lots of armor pieces from the vendor, and gave away many reward armors  to players there.

I'm gonna have to get more points on LS and some garg armor for mannequins.  I'll do the dungeon for that.

Yup I know, I been buying exclusively grand and massive, we did a LOT (but no eggs).. just today I can't drop the turn-ins from either matriarch or dungeons... I'm out of points but can't get more, people told me all kinds of tricks to repair it... none worked. I'm locked out of drops for some reason. Last one I got a kilt and a tree, but no blues turn-ins. 0.o

You did give me a bag of rewards when I first started, helped tremendously I distributed them to my guildmates and I'm sure it helped with player retention hehe, 90% of my guild members have now subscribed.

I should be a salesman maybe, seems I have good arguments/passion shining through 🙂

What?  There are no turn in bugs.   If you can not turn something in, it is because your at cap, 1k or you have someone's EJ items on you.  Stop talking to Atl players. They give you stupid info like that.  Turn in bug... 😂

I've just talked to two more who had them too already... they said to use as keepsake LOL... keepsake of the days I crashed and couldn't get points :'D

Now next test is going in dungeons again, see if I can get drops now and it was just the glitched drop that blocked my pack for some reason.

And yes, that was the problem, started dropping normally again, there's some things we just don't know and should know xD

So an EJ item on you caused it to not open?

I'm sitting at Gregorio with a pet on Atl right now and until server down.  I can take a look at the item in question.

I have been at Gregorio for 2 weeks there with pets. Amazon is wondering why there are so many 30 min timers set.  I have lored the crap they make.  One guy was there with a pet with no magic...

I helped Ivory find out how many periods of boring there are when building a pet.  She has a Sweet red Dragon.

sure ! I can bring it over' i banked it for a keepsake lol

and its not that it prevented me to open the turn in npc, its just that it wont turn in itself, and while it was the only item remaining item in my pack, I couldn't get more drops from dungeon and matriarch, or at least it looked like that for hours and hours, I usually drop many many.

as soon as I put that one in bank, I was dropping items from dungeon at a normal rate. I am at Gregorio now.

Weird, that is interesting coding.  Someone did something sometime somewhere to make them do that.

Yup it has account bound written at the bottom. One of the guildies put it in a nest and he grabbed it.

A keepsake of a fun time hunting Dragon Nests.

If an EJ buys an item, it has their name on it.

Yea! perhaps a failsafe to prevent some exploit I guess.

Since you have Mortal on a pet. 

I have it on a pet I take to Medusa. it changes her bar color.

Since the revamp they started putting HP regen on mobs.  Would be nice if it reduced HP regen on the target.  

I saw a different ability to lower HP regen, and yes it seems it would be more appropriate to have a support pet in a group that has it when fighting those mobs!

I think it is intentional that they are two separate abilities... mortal strike will help on healing and magic mobs, those that will heal like machineguns as they get low.

Forgot the name of the ability to lower hp regen though... wonder also if they stack up if you have two pets with it on.

Ahua said:

two matriarchs as well... not a single blue artie drop... people around me say its just me... *sigh*

I guess I'm not going to be doing maps tonight. I do the exact same thing I always did.

Not sure what you mean by blue artie drop.  Is this the turn in items?  Since you are a tamer your best bet is to do as many matriarchs as you can.  On Atlantic they happen about every 10 minutes.  

Rocko said:

Ahua said:

two matriarchs as well... not a single blue artie drop... people around me say its just me... *sigh*

I guess I'm not going to be doing maps tonight. I do the exact same thing I always did.

Not sure what you mean by blue artie drop.  Is this the turn in items?  Since you are a tamer your best bet is to do as many matriarchs as you can.  On Atlantic they happen about every 10 minutes.  

He had the EJ item in his pack.  He said he would not get more drops with it in his pack.  But Ya, Matriarch on Atl is still quick.  Fewer players at the fight way less lag now. The heal bots were not there when I did a few.  Are Eggs that cheap now?

4 mil to 3p depending on egg.

Rocko said:

4 mil to 3p depending on egg.

Closer to 300m (not 4mil) that people are buying for (some sell at that) with a more "average" as 400-500mil. The white/black/greenish-blue eggs seem to be priced the highest (I haven't seen a black one yet). 

The mature eggs aren't going away (except the blue & purple hues) so they will continue to drop in price I'm sure as more supply comes about. I will say that getting one is definitely a grind so not sure what they will settle on but I doubt it's under 100m... takes too long (for me at least) to get them to take any less (again for me at least).

yeah your numbers were off... good deal is 150-250 millions for the commons, 300-700 mills for the uncommon... 1-2 plat for the rares, heard the even rarer pure white ones 100-300 plat. And I've met the only person I've seen who got the black and purple void uber rare one and told me he paid 1000 plat (you read that right)... 

and since I've not seen another one, I believe it.

A trillion. Probably the price of a car if you buy the gold? heh... its like a knife to the heart when I realize there is some people profiting more money than the devs selling RMT in this game after all this time. Especially that there is a high chance they bot the system...

I have always boycott and always will, only way I'm buying gold is if BroadSword sells it, and at this point I think they just should.

I play a lot, and for a while and I have only 200 millions in bank rn lol. Enough to buy one good equipment piece lol.

The dude above meant 400M and was correct.  I saw one snapped up at 350M in chat a min ago on Atl.