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Vendor search is so bad

Started by username · 2025-08-11 · 40 posts · General Discussions
#0
I used to be able to do something like this and get results:
item name: ring
faster cast recovery 3
faster casting 1
mana regeneration
intelligence
lower reagent cost
not antique

But now the BEST I can do is 2 mods, without an item name, otherwise it fails 100% of the time.

How is vendor search getting worse???


@Kyronix fix your dumb game already please
#1
username said:
I used to be able to do something like this and get results:
item name: ring
faster cast recovery 3
faster casting 1
mana regeneration
intelligence
lower reagent cost
not antique

But now the BEST I can do is 2 mods, without an item name, otherwise it fails 100% of the time.

How is vendor search getting worse???


@ Kyronix fix your dumb game already please
Fix your dumb game....for a dumb game you still playing a lot we have to see your bitching post each months....be a man off your words and gtfo
#2
creampie said:
username said:
I used to be able to do something like this and get results:
item name: ring
faster cast recovery 3
faster casting 1
mana regeneration
intelligence
lower reagent cost
not antique

But now the BEST I can do is 2 mods, without an item name, otherwise it fails 100% of the time.

How is vendor search getting worse???


@ Kyronix fix your dumb game already please
Fix your dumb game....for a dumb game you still playing a lot we have to see your bitching post each months....be a man off your words and gtfo
mad bro? how mad are you????
#3
I have zero issues with VS.
#4
Rocko said:
I have zero issues with VS.
Cool maybe you can do these searches for me because they're impossible. PM me and we can arrange a time
#5
Sorry but I do not play for you.  However, if you need a tutorial we can meet.
#6
 😂 
#7
Rocko said:
Sorry but I do not play for you.  However, if you need a tutorial we can meet.
So what you're saying is you can't do that search  😂  Good troll 
#8
@Kyronix anything on vendor search please?
#9
The most basic of vendor searches cannot be performed @Kyronix is this working as intented?


#10
username said:
The most basic of vendor searches cannot be performed @ Kyronix is this working as intented?



worked just fine for me on Atlantic.
#11
Vendor search does in fact decide on its own when to work. One character the search takes too long. So I search on another it works. Happens often, usually after 2-3 searches that work.
#12
username said:
The most basic of vendor searches cannot be performed @ Kyronix is this working as intented?


Also - "bracelet" is a tag under equipment which in my experience is always the best option to use the menu options when possible. 

That said, I do understand what you are saying and I typically will get this error when there are too many results to search through or return (ie a bracelet with 2 FCR). Perfect example here would be when I'm on ATL looking for a bracelet with the bare min stats of 25 DI / 15 HCI / 10 SSI... it comes back with this error like 9 out of 10 times bc there are tons of results. I will need to add another property (typically a stat like Strength) to help narrow the results. Now if I do this same exact search on a shard like Origin (min stats of 25 DI / 15 HCI / 10 SSI), I have no issues and it will return the handful of items...but typically I don't even get to the "search higher price items".
#13
Anyway...VS still works when I use it.
#14
Rocko said:
Anyway...VS still works when I use it.
Yea, except it doesn't. Your signature tells me everything I need to know.
#15
username said:
The most basic of vendor searches cannot be performed @ Kyronix is this working as intented?



worked just fine for me on Atlantic.

Cool, now do the one in the OP instead of cherry picking and tell me how that goes


username said:
I used to be able to do something like this and get results:
item name: ring
faster cast recovery 3
faster casting 1
mana regeneration
intelligence
lower reagent cost
not antique
#16
Remind me to check those specific stats.  I'm back from vacation.

OP is correct, the stat types make a difference. 

But VS works for things like cubes, and other one or 2 name items.
#17
username said:
username said:
The most basic of vendor searches cannot be performed @ Kyronix is this working as intented?



worked just fine for me on Atlantic.

Cool, now do the one in the OP instead of cherry picking and tell me how that goes


username said:
I used to be able to do something like this and get results:
item name: ring
faster cast recovery 3
faster casting 1
mana regeneration
intelligence
lower reagent cost
not antique
Went well


#18
@Victim_Of_Siege you didn't use FC.  If you have time for prodo does that mean you have a bunch of NL pets u don't want?
#19
Pawain said:
@ Victim_Of_Siege you didn't use FC.  If you have time for prodo does that mean you have a bunch of NL pets u don't want?
Look again, FC is there . . .  I see what you mean now, the search gave me "item not found", the ring i hit was one from the searchg without fc, i forgot it the first time.  it did complete the search with "no item found: in less than 20 seconds though. 

I haven't played regularly on any shard since the grass stated growing. My days during the summer consist of Taking care of my elderly Parents, Running the Network/Line maintenance department of a large communcations company with 40 teammates under me, (usually a 10-12 hr commitment.) then i come home and fix/clean whatever is most pressing at the house, then head out and cut grass, trim trees, or whatever needs done on the families multiple cellular tower sites, then check with the wife on any needs for our store. and somewhere in there I eat, sleep. and do a little gaming (not much though). about the only pets i have on NL are normal everyday varity ones. but if you want a wyrm, mare or something like that, i'm your guy.  As soon as the grass stops growing, ill have a little more time. 

#20
The result item does not have or I'm too sick to see it.

May not be able to test tonight.  I became sick today. 
Not many days go by that I don't turn my PC.
#21
Pawain said:
The result item does not have or I'm too sick to see it.

May not be able to test tonight.  I became sick today. 
Not many days go by that I don't turn my PC.
As i edited the post, that was the result of me being tired. i forgot to hit FC the first time and when i did, it gave me no items meet search criteria or whatever it says and I missed it when i took the shot (went back and ran it again and saw it the second time but it did finish the search quickly) . here is a second multi-property search that went through.


#22
username said:
Rocko said:
Anyway...VS still works when I use it.
Yea, except it doesn't. Your signature tells me everything I need to know.
Crossing your arms and stomping your foot certainly makes your point.

I just used VS and oh my it works.
#23
Pawain said:
The result item does not have or I'm too sick to see it.

May not be able to test tonight.  I became sick today. 
Not many days go by that I don't turn my PC.
As i edited the post, that was the result of me being tired. i forgot to hit FC the first time and when i did, it gave me no items meet search criteria or whatever it says and I missed it when i took the shot (went back and ran it again and saw it the second time but it did finish the search quickly) . here is a second multi-property search that went through.


Oops, you selected the wrong mods after the search failed and you found a random bracelet that 'matched' to make it look like your search was successful. Search doesn't work with fewer mods, nor all of them, anyways. I even tried in the EC to see if there was some EC magic happening, nope.


#24
Pawain said:
@ Victim_Of_Siege you didn't use FC.  If you have time for prodo does that mean you have a bunch of NL pets u don't want?
Yea, he just did a search and found jewel that "matched" it and then edited the parameters to make it look like it worked and took a screenshot. Oops, he forgot that mod wasn't on that item 😂 That's not what I'm asking for at all  😂


Look I can do that too! My Air Elemental Slayer bracelet!


#25
username said:
Pawain said:
@ Victim_Of_Siege you didn't use FC.  If you have time for prodo does that mean you have a bunch of NL pets u don't want?
Yea, he just did a search and found jewel that "matched" it and then edited the parameters to make it look like it worked and took a screenshot. Oops, he forgot that mod wasn't on that item 😂 That's not what I'm asking for at all  😂


Look I can do that too! My Air Elemental Slayer bracelet!


Nope, i explained what i did. you can believe me or not, I Really don't care either way. you seem to have an agenda and will do whatever it take to bash the devs. VS works the majority of the time, but does have issues Atlantic at times, but those searches work like a champ on all the other shards I play. As has been stated, you have to use drop down selections and never type anything in the "item name" when searching Atlantic. It would be nice to have it perfect on Atlantic, but with the sheer amount of crap for sale on there, that may be difficult.
#26
username said:
Pawain said:
@ Victim_Of_Siege you didn't use FC.  If you have time for prodo does that mean you have a bunch of NL pets u don't want?
Yea, he just did a search and found jewel that "matched" it and then edited the parameters to make it look like it worked and took a screenshot. Oops, he forgot that mod wasn't on that item 😂 That's not what I'm asking for at all  😂


Look I can do that too! My Air Elemental Slayer bracelet!


Also, if even "The most basic of vendor searches cannot be performed" (your words), How did you get that left side of the screen, it sure looks like at least a basic search worked . . .
#27
Nope, i explained what i did. you can believe me or not, I Really don't care either way. you seem to have an agenda and will do whatever it take to bash the devs. VS works the majority of the time, but does have issues Atlantic at times, but those searches work like a champ on all the other shards I play. As has been stated, you have to use drop down selections and never type anything in the "item name" when searching Atlantic. It would be nice to have it perfect on Atlantic, but with the sheer amount of crap for sale on there, that may be difficult.
The agenda is VS doesn't work for basic searches, as proven above with my searches that are not fudged with above, an it has in the past, and I want it fixed. A fixed game, yes, how delightful, where things actually work.
#28
Adding my 2 cents.

VS has been working for me most of the time. When I get an error it is at the prime game time but it does not happen that often. If you have the option, then I suggest doing your shopping at the off hours. 

They already upgraded the Atlantic server, I remember Kyronix said they were going to upgrade web/forum backend. May be they can upgrade the DB servers as well? 
#29
Adding my 2 cents.

VS has been working for me most of the time. 
There is a difference between "working" and finding specific searches, like above.

Sure you can find simple stuff by name, like 'house teleporter' and will work 90% of the time, unless VS is down (which is often).

However, that's not what's being discussed here. Doing more complex (or even simple) gear searches like the ones outlined in the rest of this post that used to work aren't possible anymore. These don't work, irrelevant of the time of day.
#30
username said:
There is a difference between "working" and finding specific searches, like above.

Sure you can find simple stuff by name, like 'house teleporter' and will work 90% of the time, unless VS is down (which is often).

However, that's not what's being discussed here. Doing more complex (or even simple) gear searches like the ones outlined in the rest of this post that used to work aren't possible anymore. These don't work, irrelevant of the time of day.
My apologies for jumping the gun without understanding the issue.

This is what I get when I run your query. 


#31
username said:
Nope, i explained what i did. you can believe me or not, I Really don't care either way. you seem to have an agenda and will do whatever it take to bash the devs. VS works the majority of the time, but does have issues Atlantic at times, but those searches work like a champ on all the other shards I play. As has been stated, you have to use drop down selections and never type anything in the "item name" when searching Atlantic. It would be nice to have it perfect on Atlantic, but with the sheer amount of crap for sale on there, that may be difficult.
The agenda is VS doesn't work for basic searches, as proven above with my searches that are not fudged with above, an it has in the past, and I want it fixed. A fixed game, yes, how delightful, where things actually work.
It does work for basic searches, it just is very slow and picky when you start adding multiple properties and type things in manually. but basic searches work. 
#32
username said:
There is a difference between "working" and finding specific searches, like above.

Sure you can find simple stuff by name, like 'house teleporter' and will work 90% of the time, unless VS is down (which is often).

However, that's not what's being discussed here. Doing more complex (or even simple) gear searches like the ones outlined in the rest of this post that used to work aren't possible anymore. These don't work, irrelevant of the time of day.
My apologies for jumping the gun without understanding the issue.

This is what I get when I run your query. 


No problem. Even if you simplify it and leave those fields blank (eg., just 'faster cast recovery' so it picks up items with any, or MR so it picks up items with any value of MR) or remove mods, it will still not find any results (as seen above) clearly not working as intended. Again, this used to work, but not anymore. I think the suggestion that was made to upgrade whatever server(s) the vendor search uses is very much required. Or just let it take it's time to search and not time it out. Would rather it take 3 minutes and actually give me something than timing out after 30s with no results.
#33
As I noted in a post nine months ago, adding skill bonuses to a search causes it to succeed for some reason. Unfortunately that doesn't really help you find anything unless you happen to be shopping specifically for jewelry with a particular skill on it. Posting a bunch of screenshots with skill bonus searches in them and going :"duh works for me" is just ignorant.
#34
As I noted in a post nine months ago, adding skill bonuses to a search causes it to succeed for some reason. Unfortunately that doesn't really help you find anything unless you happen to be shopping specifically for jewelry with a particular skill on it. Posting a bunch of screenshots with skill bonus searches in them and going :"duh works for me" is just ignorant.
Ironically, the OP of that post is experiencing the exact same issue I'm having. Doing a 'complicated' search that has worked in the past, but now no longer works. I even replied and told him exactly what I'm experiencing today, how you can only do ~2 mods to get it to work. Lol. 

By the way, this was 9 months ago. And still not fixed and no public word of any sort of fix.

NICE.


#35
username said:
username said:
There is a difference between "working" and finding specific searches, like above.

Sure you can find simple stuff by name, like 'house teleporter' and will work 90% of the time, unless VS is down (which is often).

However, that's not what's being discussed here. Doing more complex (or even simple) gear searches like the ones outlined in the rest of this post that used to work aren't possible anymore. These don't work, irrelevant of the time of day.
My apologies for jumping the gun without understanding the issue.

This is what I get when I run your query. 


No problem. Even if you simplify it and leave those fields blank (eg., just 'faster cast recovery' so it picks up items with any, or MR so it picks up items with any value of MR) or remove mods, it will still not find any results (as seen above) clearly not working as intended. Again, this used to work, but not anymore. I think the suggestion that was made to upgrade whatever server(s) the vendor search uses is very much required. Or just let it take it's time to search and not time it out. Would rather it take 3 minutes and actually give me something than timing out after 30s with no results.
I know this isn't the response you are looking for because it's not a "fix", but I do believe the reason is that there are too many results being sorted through (ie  it's just ATL) because I did this same exact search on Sakura/Europa/Pacific (tried to hit different countries and timezones) and I had no issue with the search returning "No items found" within 5 seconds. 

It's only when I try to search on ATL with that exact search where I get the issue. If I switch from Non Auction to Auction; I get a "No results found" within 20 seconds. I understand where you are coming from...those stats are the base of what you want and you are open to other things in addition, but I was able to get "results" (ie no items matched) when I added just 1 other additional property like SDI or a skill which leads me to believe that there are either too many items in general to parse through or those stats are too common (seems like a standard Mystic/Wizardry item) and needs to have something else added. Not really the answer you were looking for but if you really want to find the item that does seem to work (and is what I've done for other things I've been looking for).
#36
I was able to try for a while just now on Atl.

I put in the original stats:
faster cast recovery 3
faster casting 1
mana regeneration
intelligence
lower reagent cost

Tried with and without Not Antique,  (not Antique will cause timeouts many times)

Too long.

Reduced the quantities until I got down to two stats.  I tried many options of two.  Still get time out.

At the moment I can try Non Antique and 1 of the stats and it shows the timeout msg, but the results appear about 30 seconds later.

So, right now On Atl I am having less ability than the OP had, I can not get 2 of the stats.

I added a starting price 0f 5M then 10M.  still time out.


#37
Pawain said:
I was able to try for a while just now on Atl.

I put in the original stats:
faster cast recovery 3
faster casting 1
mana regeneration
intelligence
lower reagent cost

Tried with and without Not Antique,  (not Antique will cause timeouts many times)

Too long.

Reduced the quantities until I got down to two stats.  I tried many options of two.  Still get time out.

At the moment I can try Non Antique and 1 of the stats and it shows the timeout msg, but the results appear about 30 seconds later.

So, right now On Atl I am having less ability than the OP had, I can not get 2 of the stats.

I added a starting price 0f 5M then 10M.  still time out.


Yes, I was only able to semi reliably getting results with only 3 search parameters, ie:
FC1
Bracelet (or ring)
Not antique

And then just have to weed through thousands of results.  :'(
#38
It seems like 3 field is the max per search... I wonder if someone can write script that does the following:

  • Split the requirements into different sets where each set has at most 3 fields.
  • Run the search for each of those sets and get the first 500+ results for each set.
  • Find the intersection of those sets.
  • Then show the results.
:p

Leaving the jokes aside, if they are using postgres, then they need to:
  1. Look at the logs, or look at this thread, and gather queries that keeps failing.
  2. Create a duplicate of the production DB.
  3. Use `EXPLAIN ANALYZE` command on the duplicate DB and see what is slowing down the search with queries from 1.
  4. Tweak the DB or search queries in a way that may improve the speed.
  5. Go to 3. Repeat until you reach a state that is significantly faster. 
  6. Create a new production clone and apply the faster tweaks to a new production clone.
  7. Run a stress test on the clone, if you don't have real user data for that, then fail over to the production clone and see if improvements work.
  8. If improvements dont work, then fail back to production. (you might need to transfer the new data from clone to original production before you resume normal operations)
If they are using something else, I wouldn't know where to start. 



#39
Yeah, I was gonna say that, Psycoder. You beat me to it.
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