Let reds kill players in tram
What would make things fair would be to just reduce the city buff to last only like an hour and make it purgeable.
NO You went RED for a reason, now live with it and nothing is stopping you from logging on any other char on your account. I thought FEL was the greatest.
There has already been talk of incorporating town buffs into VvV. Just hold the dev's feet to the fire.
I know EJ accounts can’t gain virtues but can you still gain justice for killing a red that is on an EJ account?
Royal Pardons are a slap in the face to everyone else.
While its nice to have the 2 types of pardons they need to be given a much longer timer between uses. I have no problems with reds in Trammel facets either as long as others cant heal/res them unless red themselves and of course either side cant attack each other. But that also brings up the current PvP system which is subpar to say the least.
LMAO Just because I do not agree with you then I am a TROLL and the REDs are using the system how it was designed so how does that mean they are abusing the system. You want to let REDs into TRAM and I said NO, use pardons or better yet do not turn RED problem solved. REDs belong in FEL.
A player is most likely to be pked by a blue in what is called "uo" nowadays. The only difference between a red and a blue is that the blues ate pardons. And because the blue ate a pardon he is entitled to the virtue system as well as hiding out in trammel with no repercussions. The justice and reputation systems have been babied down. For what reason I haven't a clue.
Just remove "red" from the game, it means absolutely nothing anymore anyway.
I get raided by blues, they kill me and my mates and go red.
The next day they come to raid us again and they are all blue again.
It is a stupid, pointless system.
Give out titles instead for X,Y,Z number of counts, that's all being red really amounts to anyway.
+Town Buffs
Really all I care about.
But
You have never been able to trust that a blue you meet in Fel is going to be friendly, they may be on 3 or 4 counts. The only real difference is you don't see them hanging around Luna macroing counts now. Anyone who trusted that a blue met in fel wouldn't attack was highly foolish.
So there used to be a time when being a murderer was bragging rights and people would compare murderer counts back in the bounty days. to me the thing that has killed reds is the buffs they cant get because of being red and taking away things like bounty boards so now there is no reason to be red other then to be a protector at a champ spawn throwing fields. Royal pardons and forged pardons make waiting off murder counts trival so literally they have given no reason for a red to be red anymore accept for us few that still feel pride in our kill counts that we worked and fought so hard for over the years.
Sure let reds in Tram, and let them be attackable in Tram. Allow them to try and defend themselves, of course. But, hey, everyone is griping for more PvP.
And all we hear is Fel players crying "Risk vs Reward"
So sure, come to Tram all you want, but being red means you are freely attackable by anyone at any time.
I really like that red in feel blue in tram concept, so you can go both places. The only reason all of my chars aren't red is town buff. It's actually a large hindrance not being able to attack blues without having to buy pardons when ur fighting a guild at a spawn, and half are orange for vvv, and the other half is blue trying to finish the spawn. Or other cases at fights where blues just roam around waiting for a single player to go grey because they know the blues won't attack them.
My red can has town buffs?
Glad to have Tim on board for reds in tram, they will just appear blue while in tram. Good idea tim.
Use Pardons like everybody else and quit asking for an "EASY BUTTON" or better yet allow REDs in Tram but make Blues in FEL immune to attack. You want to kill some one then go kill another RED.
But just think, we could organise guild 'red' hunts....
Bilbo the random capitalization of certain words certainly helps illustrate your point with much more clarity than it otherwise would have, regardless of how stupid the content may actually be.
Being red in Fel is a benefit, not a hindrance. Reds can already go into any town and use any bank. Being Red in Fel means you can use AOE and fields against blues.
If a red can go to Tram and be blue then there is literally NO reason not to be red.
Reds are freely attackable though! So what? So is any blue in Fel, and why not attack them because there is absolutely no repercussion.
This is literally one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
Want to play in Tram? Use one of your other 6 char slots to make the same char and usa a mannequin to swap gear.
Too inconvenient? Too bad, you chose to murder other players. Deal with it. or better yet just go get one of these cheap and easy to farm pardons and not be red.
I can't help wondering about the technical side of the game having to check for a murder count on every single character that recalls, casts a gate, enters a public moongate or uses a crystal/corrupted crystal with a destination in Felucca allowing only 0-4 count characters to arrive blue and 5 and over to arrive red.
It's all very well saying 'make it so', but last I knew the devs didn't have a magic wand and the scope for bugs and exploits makes me cringe. I don't think I'd ever dare set foot in the facet again for fear of arriving to find I'd mysteriously gained umpteen unearned murder counts.
Why would you over complicate things? There would be no need for a murder count check all characters would simply be blue while in trammel it would be a really easy thing to do.
and there totally wouldn't be any problem re-establishing that they should be red when they returned to fel?
I've never really been into PVP in this game but even I can tell you that the entire concept of "murder counts" is basically 15+ years out of date. It's not guys in bone helmets raiding player weddings during the Clinton Administration anymore. Felucca is the PVP server, so just remove red status, give everyone a generic kill counter, and be done with it.
I understand some ppl wanting disadvantages for reds for rp purposes. But come on now, there are almost no reds left in UO. It is quite obvious the disadvantage has gone way too far, way past the point of balance. They already have enough disadvantages such as being freely attackable by anyone, and not being able to initiate combat in guard zones.
I would also like to point out that the big red vs blue battles of the past were a good way for newer players to participate and learn about pvp. Now that is gone as well, and getting into pvp for a new player is much more difficult.
Sure give them the same love that they gave to those that made them turn red... absolutly nothing.
(puts on asbestos suit) I have an idea. It seem to me as a non-pvper the issue is town buffs and pardons.
Either put town buffs in fel or remove them completely. (ducks behind Mervyn and Bilbo)
If you bring reds to tram and back. You will have to implement a check for murder counts coming and going.
Simplest solution that would have the least amount of backlash to the game (code wise) is my next solution.
Just remove PVP since you want play in tram training wheel mode. (ducks and runs to RSU fallout shelter) You want cake and eat it too. i.e you want be red but you want the town buffs and tram access.
Governor's to begin with was one of the worst ideas in UO history, gaming and politics go together like oil and water. Second governor's having control of town buffs even dumber idea then the first point. Third VvV was a terrible change from factions, factions was ten times better. PvP hasn't been properly balanced in years, now that the game has gone back to itemization again its gotten even worse. The game overall is dying due to awful decisions, without a major overhaul its pretty much done for. Oh yeah lets not forget the lack of content updates, huge reason why the population is so small. I'll give it to the end of the year to see what happens then I'll probably close my accounts for good.
We will trade'ja FC1 in Felucca for Powerscrolls at Tram Champ spawns. Seem like a fair trade?
I am somehow able to kill people without me using the FC1 town buff and do not use forged pardons on some chars.
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I"ll throw a big old nasty reply to this already convoluted mixture. Give Reds all of the benefits of Blues in a trammel ruleset but remain freely attackable....Blues with the polar opposite Fame/Karma/WholesomeGoodness have access to all of the benefits of Felucca but remain freely unattackable unless in VvV of course (except for mobs). And this idea is no more stupid than anything else.
ignore this, my reading comprehension failed totally.
