Devs should reconsider what transfers (Some/most Equipment Should)

I believe the devs being cautious with what transfers and what doesn't, reasonable. I however think that with primarily pets being xfered off and not equipment, it creates a deep divide at who and what playstyles are valued on New Legacy and in general the regular servers.

Here are some thoughts.

The clean answer is that New Legacy would get dumped to a new Shard "server" where all New Legacy players get dumped to and new production players can create on that "Production old season Legacy" server. It keeps stuff isolated like an "Eternal" server for a game like Diablo. People can choose to make characters on the server where they know the NL exists from the seasonal content and interact with it. The NL characters can then Xfer off without any of their NL stuff (Shard Bound) to their home server if they want. Then if people want NL stuff from the past seasons it still exists on an isolated server. Each season dumps characters on to the Production Legacy shard and it grows from there. This allows for everyone's "Legacy" to follow them to a production shard without it being lost, but it isolates the items (Obviously in future seasons they may just choose to have some items not make it to the "Production Legacy" server, but those can be known ahead of time).

The not so clean answer is to allow for specific sets of equipment to transfer and a list made public what will and won't delete upon transferring to their home production server. "No equipment" transferring kind of kills the "Legacy" part of New Legacy because to a Warrior character, their armor and weapons are their character like a tamer has their pets, a warrior has their gear. I think limiting it to only pets and no wearable equipment really hurts the warriors for maintaining their Legacy. I know there are many ways to go about this like the list of stuff that will xfer, or giving deeds that allow it to transfer off for only X amount of items etc... I understand the devs are playing it close to the chest right now, but for how absolutely rare some of the equipment is for how bad it is on production, I think killing off a warriors Legacy feels bad.  (Or you make equipment rain from the sky and no one feels bad when it goes away because it's so common and wasn't really earned, and therefor not part of the Legacy feel). 

The other way is just not have server transfers when the season is done and delete all NL characters (Which I know would have people stop immediately playing NL). However, I think people already have stopped because the lack of ability to transfer their "Whole" character so the philosophy just applies to all characters on the realm since it already applies to warriors. (Yes I know I am being a bit hyperbolic and deco and stuff is set to transfer, but for the most part equipment is deco when it comes to production due to how absolutely insanely busted gear is on production is when compared to NL, which is tame in comparison. 

These are just my thoughts and while it is a ramble to a degree I think it should be discussed. I know devs want to stop botting, and bots would absolutely ruin NL if they were as rampant as Atlantic. So if NL became a "Year Long Event" style server that was just filled with bots that would be horrible. However, I think that the blanket "No Equipment" should be discussed and re-evaluated (I know nothing is 100% set in stone, but I would love to see a discussion on this with pros and even the cons as I don't play on production so I don't know) My personal choice would be creating a Production Old Legacy that everyone gets dumped on to with all of their stuff, and some stuff is shard bound and can't xfer, but otherwise their character and other stuff could transfer to their home production server. I know doing that would create an extra step, but it does create a safety net. Just my 2 cents to get the topic started.

Do we have even the slightest clue about what's going to happen?

Grimbeard said:

Do we have even the slightest clue about what's going to happen?

Only what has been said previously in the dev chats and interviews. One of the comments they made was that "Equipment won't transfer to production". We have no specifics beyond that, and I wanted to get the discussion rolling so that the devs could at least see takes from the community.

I think only the sash and skills should transfer.

Would we be able to advance skill train pets if they transferred?

No offense to anyone, but if the deal is "Equipment won't transfer to production", I predict a very deserted NL, in a very short amount of time.

My point of view.

In NL, we have time investment versus reward, and those willing to explore a new shard get the rewards (new friends, new challenges and new gear/pets).

No one is blocked from going to felucca and get its rewards, same way no one is blocked from playing nl and collect new gear.

With the obvious unbalanced items that should not be transferred, the remaining gear that won't change the prodo UO shards, is a nice reward, and a Legacy.

Like always, I can be wrong... just explain why...

I am right there with ya Pitr. I definitely am in the camp everything should xfer (Unless they did a super broken item for a season, which they haven't for this one). It's one reason I think if they feel there needs to be a safe guard they can dump all to a single shard "Eternal Legacy" to steal from Diablo's terminology or whatever it may be, but I think stuff needs to dump out onto an actual production server for players who are seeking to play with it after. It's part of the Legacy in my opinion.

Diablo and other style seasonal games are very much in the, dump out everything on to their non-season content and then restart a new season of their seasonal content.

I just hope we get clarification as "Equipment won't transfer" could have been "Some equipment" or "Not all equipment" with a caveat to come. 

We are already having a stagnation and quitting problem on the server due to the extreme lack of attention and content the server gets (Which you would think there would be an over abundance of attention with it being the first season). 

I will say, I have liked that the devs have been willing to get on and have round tables with TWL and discuss content even if incredibly vague. I just think that devs should hear the player voice that the Legacy comes with the equipment and the journey the players went through, and not just the pets.

I would say the opposite and that the bare minimum should be transferable as the dev's lack of info ruined the 1st season of new legacy for a lot of people.

AtomicBetty said:

I would say the opposite and that the bare minimum should be transferable as the dev's lack of info ruined the 1st season of new legacy for a lot of people.

That is absolutely 1 way to handle it. I am sure a majority of people would quit until next season bare minimum. 

If you take that route, which they are kind of doing a half measure like that currently. People just stop playing because they're done since nothing they do matters anymore. By creating the "Nothing matters" people will just quit and wait until October (if they come back). That's why Diablo and other Seasonal games have a huge drop off after the first month or so is because people are done and did what they wanted, and since nothing matters they quit until the next seasonal challenge. I am not sure Broadsword wants a huge drop off and the server to be abandoned so quickly on a year long cycle.

It's not a wrong option, and for a new thing that was dangled out there for 4 years, the lack of info and direction has been rather bothersome, to say the least.

I think maybe there need to be some distinctions?
Sure I'd like to take my mage's 'winter's light' with me, but I'm really not bothered about my archer's 'eminently accurate silver composite bow of vanquishing'.  It's nice on NL and I love the nostalgia of those old, familiar property names, but you'd never use it on a production shard.
So, it's the named items we want to keep? not the basic equipment?

Because the stats on them are useful to your character while playing on NL?

Mariah said:

Because the stats on them are useful to your character while playing on NL?

If I don't get the benefit of keeping any of it, why am I wasting my time? If I'm already competent enough to participate in world bosses, what use do I have for a bunch of things I can't bring with me, and again, why should I even bother going for them? Why bother playing anything in NL but a tamer, if as far as we know, we're not keeping anything but a sash, some deco and our stables? If the intention of this was to draw new players in, I fail to see how kicking them to Prod servers with none of the things they earned beyond a pre-built character (which is quite trivial to do on your own these days on production shards, mind you) with no possessions and pretty much no money is going to encourage them in anyway to stick around.

Mariah said:

Because the stats on them are useful to your character while playing on NL?

Fair, but then most players may be finished playing New Legacy. Once I have kind of done my thing on other games that have seasonal content, if I know that anything I do past the point is worthless, I tend to move on to the next game till the next season starts.

I don't think this is what the NL development had in mind, and I don't believe they want abandoned servers so that no new players come to it. I definitely feel like the goal was to have active players year round.

I understand that getting to X equipment and being able to beat Y is the intended goal, but once you have done that, then what is the push forward for many players. Collecting and showcasing items has pretty much been a thing since lockdowns and secures became a thing on UO decades ago. Yes, the quest items become worthless for use, but like Phoenix Armor, Ranger Armor, Daemon Bone Armor, and other hard to acquire items back when I used to play in 2000, people still collected them even if they were worthless for combat, because they were cool to display.

With no grand point to NL beyond collecting right now, it seems weird to literally tell non-tamers they are leaving their Legacy behind instead of "Forging ahead" with their Legacy. 

Petra_Fyde said:

I think maybe there need to be some distinctions?
Sure I'd like to take my mage's 'winter's light' with me, but I'm really not bothered about my archer's 'eminently accurate silver composite bow of vanquishing'.  It's nice on NL and I love the nostalgia of those old, familiar property names, but you'd never use it on a production shard.
So, it's the named items we want to keep? not the basic equipment?

Yeah, I am cool if the starter quest items and artifacts transfer and the random regular guarding/hardening.../invul/etc... equipment is deleted. I don't think anyone will mind their supremely accurate vanq disappearing, but they may mind their Crimson Dragon artifact that's a prefix Wyrmguard suffix weapon disappearing. 

I think this is a good discussion, and hopefully the devs take it to heart. Look at other games with seasons; they are short because people abandon them when they are done because once you have accomplished the set goal... nothing else matters. If the devs want NL to become abandoned early on once people accomplish their goals, that is a perfectly acceptable way to develop (I might suggest they don't make their future seasons 1 year and maybe 4-6 months if they do that so when they are abandoned it's only abandoned a short while). However, I don't think that was their initial design for the server and a reason they chose the 1 year rotation as they wanted it played for the whole year (Which is awesome, and I like personally). I do think the idea of how and what transfers should be looked at as it seems like resoundingly at minimum, the artifacts should transfer off.

Are you all forgetting that publish 2 is due soon, and that the recent interviews have given hints of all kinds of interesting new items and activities?

Mariah said:

Are you all forgetting that publish 2 is due soon, and that the recent interviews have given hints of all kinds of interesting new items and activities?

Mariah said:

Are you all forgetting that publish 2 is due soon, and that the recent interviews have given hints of all kinds of interesting new items and activities?

The new communication is a million times better but the fact that they are working on second season with so many unanswered questions about the shattering is odd 

Since I hate skilling, the best part of NL is being able to make a GM skilled toon that I can take to shards I have no skilled toons on, which is all of them but 1.  Takes 1 weekend to fully 700 skill a toon in NL.  I can buy 20 points of pinks pretty cheap to finish them once they find a new home.

Now is a good time to begin, the quest armor and weapons will be the maximum value.

Those beginning armor sets and the sash would be good enough for me to take to another shard.

Would be nice to know if pets can leave NL and will we be able to advance train them.  The pets will be worth a lot if you can take them away and trade them to others.

  I understand that giving the possibility of transfer is devs method to attract an audience, but in my opinion NL should be original and attract players with content that they cannot get on the prodo servers, and not because the developers did not want it that way, but because in New Legacy there is an opportunity to build a new balance and give birth to a new idea for the game. 

I like the idea of an NL Season 1 banner or flag.

Maybe some titles we could choose.

Pawain said:

I like the idea of an NL Season 1 banner or flag.

Maybe some titles we could choose.

I want the Title "I did 10,000 Manticore's and all i got was this lousy Chew Toy"

No dog in this fight. My only fully developed NL character is a GM mage/eval/wrestle/scribe/med/resist/focus. I'll be bringing over a sash and whatever items - if any - that UO allows. 

Same here.. except archer bard with resist.. but it will be a start somewhere.. lacking music of course... 

I have several, including a couple of Tamers. whatever they allow is fine by me. It's going to be a risk taking things from one ruleset to another even the characters. With the Bard skills working differently, who the hell knows what could happen, best to minimize possible fallout. 

Aye, having new toons with 7xgm able to transfer anywhere is great.
From another perspective, any prodo armor collector that sees (for example) an icemancer suit on display, will want to play NL...

Delky said:

Garret, what great ideas. NL could absolute flag a "Reward Achievement Token" like any other player reward or Veteran Reward gump on any server. I don't think time on the server is they way, but it's a solid foundation so I can get behind something that engages players like bosses/event participation.

Kill X bosses or events and get Y token(s) and you can scale and cap. You could also create an exponential so people would keep playing until there is a set point where its just not time allowable.

All these suggestions are great - and not a single one of them answers the "why leave Siege out in the cold" question. They DO raise the question of why people who consider Siege to be their primary - or only - shard, should bother going anywhere near NL. Personally, I'd love to be able to take a few things over - I'd be perfectly content if they were only deco, but I would miss my baby manticore. So - once again- WHY has Siege been singled out, once again, as the shard that gets no love? We pay subscriptions just the same as everyone else.

   
     Why doesn't it answer, tokens with the same rewards and a token option from the store, they will be used on Sidge, no external influence no external transfers, the internal market will be saturated only with what will appear directly on Sidge. If you unpacked your gift token on Sidge, you will no longer be able to do this on Atlantic (for example), you will be able to buy a shop token within X time after the end of the season, everyone will receive equal content and equal rewards.

YOUR suggestion would answer it. The Devs have remained silent. They have not accepted your suggestion yet - I hope they do - but right now, we, on Siege, have nothing but the usual Dev silence. We got nothing for the 25th anniversary - none of those items transferred, even though we were promised that they would. We were told we would probably be getting Silver Steeds back on Siege, as compensation for being left out - still nothing. This is a long chain of neglect that goes back to the Malas Castle award - probably even further. Nothing against your ideas - they're good - but I want to hear a definitive reason as to why the devs won't even consider a consolation prize for Siege players who took part in NL.