boring and unbalanced pvp

so every template is overpowered?
the pvp scene is fairly balanced at the moment. There are so many different valid templates being used on the field.

Splintering is tough yes, on another thread someone suggested it should not proc with any special (not just disarm) I quite like that idea. But only because I don’t like complications in game mechanics as it gives new/returning players a huge disadvantage when there’s so much the elite old guard know.

as for F.C. 4/6 chivalry, they can heal yes but they don’t ever kill anyone, well not alone anyway.

My buddies and I have posted a lot about the nerfing of wrestling/anatomy with parry.  It shouldn't be allowed in today's UO due to the ridiculous gear.   As for splintering, it shouldn't proc with any  special which includes focus attack and if the player is in form as well.  I mean the Glenda can no longer proc with those why does splintering.   The super high loot with people going to 840 skill points is just wrecking the game in pvp and should have a skill point cap or allow people to add the skills without needing ridiculous gear.   Like 95% of all mages are either wrestle parry with ninja or they are bushido parry mages.   Its due to parry being OP in pvp, but at least you can disarm the bushido guys.  I also think the no dachi needs nerfing as well.

i thibk if they got rid of wrestle parry mages, there would be a danger that no matter how skilled a mage, and no matter what template, they could lose to a warrior. This would not be good for the game, if someone has invested 120 skill and 80 dex to parrying, let them be strong against warriors. It’s a paper scissors rock issue. 

I have a parry mage, but it’s not my main. I think that explains it enough.

And what is wrong with no dachi? If you get riding swiped in the first place, you failed to dismount yourself. The clue is with the guy with a big sword running towards you. It’s fairly easily remedied even if you do get hit. 

That's the point mervyn is that they "could" lose to a warrior.  Right now unless your a complete moron you cant die on a parry mage to a warrior.  Basically the definition of unbalanced.   The warrior runs parry with bushido and can be disarmed to open up his defense.  The wrestle parry char is invulnerable to any of it and keeps high defense all the time.  Its the stupidest thing ever and I don't understand how it hasn't been nerfed yet.

Well, i know warriors are not as simple as they used to be, but a good mage should always be able to beat a good warrior, simply because there's more skill to playing a mage than a warrior. Especially if they've built their whole template to have 80 dex and 120 parry.

Pvp is very balanced right now, every template has a counter . There isnt any OP offense that cant be stopped and there isnt any OP defense that cant be beat.  Closest defense is 4/6 chiv and splint lp can beat it.

Splint is not overpowered.  

You can tell that pvp is balanced vecause of the template diversity visible in any fight.

The only OP thing i could be swayed on is evasion, but even that i wouldnt want nerfed because of skill point investment required to get the effectiveness.  

Id like to preface a stfu warshak you dont know what youre talking about for any of his potential responses.

Everyone plays a bush mage?  By your offensive comment I can only think you're talking about bokuto mages capable of nerve striking.  I can think of at least 4 people that play a mystic wrestle shield bashing parry mage.  I can think of about 4 others that main on a swords/poisoning mage.  I can think of at least 3 people that primarily play wrestle/parry/weaving/ninja mages.

Also, any offensive bushido parry mage (whether nerve striking, necro, or myst variant) you cannot fit ninjitsu, which leaves you very vulnerable in outnumbered situations.  When numbers are fairly even or even tilted in your favor, then yes bokuto mages are one of the better builds.  When I'm fighting heavily outnumbered I'd much prefer my weaving/ninjitsu mage all day long. 

There is pretty significant template variety in PvP today.  You can't argue against that.

LOL everyone has parry to avoid bein splintered but yet splinter isn't OP.  OSI pvp is dead has been dead for couple years at least, due to being boxed into basically one of three templates.  Not to mention its zerg or no fights no matter what shard u play on.  Too many egos and no skill in pvp anymore.

The_Higgs_1 said:

LOL everyone has parry to avoid bein splintered but yet splinter isn't OP.  OSI pvp is dead has been dead for couple years at least, due to being boxed into basically one of three templates.  Not to mention its zerg or no fights no matter what shard u play on.  Too many egos and no skill in pvp anymore.

Well I would hope that OSI pvp is dead considering that they closed their doors in 2004 but playing on a free shard all the time I guess you wouldn't know that now would you.

Lol first post in a month and immediately trolled by Bilbo.  Imagine that!!

The_Higgs_1 said:

LOL everyone has parry to avoid bein splintered but yet splinter isn't OP.  OSI pvp is dead has been dead for couple years at least, due to being boxed into basically one of three templates.  Not to mention its zerg or no fights no matter what shard u play on.  Too many egos and no skill in pvp anymore.

I'm just going to re-confirm my belief that most people had parry to avoid dismount, not splinter.

Splinter is annoying, but in itself doesn't get you ganked by 5 players in under 1 second. Dismount does, this is the reason everyone takes parry.

Dismount, Splinter, Mortal, Bleed, Deathstrike, Lethal Poison - all at the same time by 5 dexxers, is a bit of a downer tbh, no-one enjoys being wiped out in the blink of an eye by that type of combination just because you were stuck on foot and therefore a sitting duck. When Dismount was just confined to Bolas it was ok - now it is on every pvp weapon type special, it is way too much, and performed way too fast.

I will stop commenting on pvp, because I've now quit, as have most of my team by the looks of it. It's just not fun anymore. No-one can tell me how balanced it is because based on my personal experience, no-one I know pvp's anymore - and we had a large active pvp team, who used to have fun. I've been doing my best to get the message across, but it's time up now.

And If I'm not pvping, I'm not really interested In the game anymore. Maybe it's the summer, maybe it's the world cup, maybe my life has just got more fun, luckily I have found a personal answer, I do now play Siege and enjoy it, it is more old-school UO.

So overall, while I think the OP's post was muddled up, I agree with him, it is a mess.

I will say, it’s fairly unnecessary for splintering to both bleed and slow, should probably just slow. 

Dismount to was never a big deal and I can easily survive dismounts.  Only time dismount is an issue is when you being ganked and when your being ganked it doesn't matter what they use.  Everyone right now either has a shield or a splintering weapon, nothing else is being used.  I hardly see archers or throwers anymore either.  I havnt seen pvp more unbalanced in my entire time in UO other then when the game first started and everything was buggy.   Its just boring and repetitive to fight the same exact thing over and over again.   And in the past few years with the drop in population its the same people on every shard you fight, no one new or different is around.  So much needs to be looked at in pvp to make it worthwhile again, if only they would listen to their intelligent players.

Lynk said:

Also, any offensive bushido parry mage (whether nerve striking, necro, or myst variant) you cannot fit ninjitsu, which leaves you very vulnerable in outnumbered situations. 

There is pretty significant template variety in PvP today.  You can't argue against that.

CovenantX said:

Lynk said:

Also, any offensive bushido parry mage (whether nerve striking, necro, or myst variant) you cannot fit ninjitsu, which leaves you very vulnerable in outnumbered situations. 

There is pretty significant template variety in PvP today.  You can't argue against that.

   There's a decent variety in pvp Mage templates, yes.  not really much variety in dexer templates.  the reason for that would be, Mages can more reliably interrupt other mages, due to much less RNG being involved.

 Parry doesn't stop mages from killing each other, at least not even close to the extent it does when going against a dexer.

Mervyn said:

Well, i know warriors are not as simple as they used to be, but a good mage should always be able to beat a good warrior, simply because there's more skill to playing a mage than a warrior. Especially if they've built their whole template to have 80 dex and 120 parry.

 

  the point is a good mage (Without parry) can already beat a good dexer more often than not.

Mervyn said:

I will say, it’s fairly unnecessary for splintering to both bleed and slow, should probably just slow. 

 you factor parry, the dexer might as well not play UO (judging by the decline in "Dexer" players is evident of that) unless they have more people to counter-balance against a parry-mages defense.   (I can't tell you the last time I saw a solo player, let alone a solo dexer....)

 Get rid of Casting Focus (or at bare minimum change what it does) and the portion of your post talking about "Skill" would hold more weight.  Skill & RNG are pretty much complete opposites of one another.   Seems contradictory to me.

Drop Parry chance down to 20% (from 35%) for Wrestle + Parry & Anatomy + Eval-int + Parry (because they will Always have a hand free for potions, unlike any other character with Parry).

They'd be great steps in the right direction for pvp to make a comeback, that's assuming we're not beyond the point of no return already....

 Btw, Splintering wasn't really an issue (aside from Duration, which was fixed mind you) until it spawned on more weapon types (shame-loot & Global loot)  Which coincidentally is how casters gained access to it... just thought I'd throw that out there.

I will say, it’s fairly unnecessary for splintering to both bleed and slow, should probably just slow. 

The_Higgs_1 said:

LOL everyone has parry to avoid bein splintered but yet splinter isn't OP.  OSI pvp is dead has been dead for couple years at least, due to being boxed into basically one of three templates.  Not to mention its zerg or no fights no matter what shard u play on.  Too many egos and no skill in pvp anymore.

I'm just going to re-confirm my belief that most people had parry to avoid dismount, not splinter.

Splinter is annoying, but in itself doesn't get you ganked by 5 players in under 1 second. Dismount does, this is the reason everyone takes parry.

Dismount, Splinter, Mortal, Bleed, Deathstrike, Lethal Poison - all at the same time by 5 dexxers, is a bit of a downer tbh, no-one enjoys being wiped out in the blink of an eye by that type of combination just because you were stuck on foot and therefore a sitting duck. When Dismount was just confined to Bolas it was ok - now it is on every pvp weapon type special, it is way too much, and performed way too fast.

I will stop commenting on pvp, because I've now quit, as have most of my team by the looks of it. It's just not fun anymore. No-one can tell me how balanced it is because based on my personal experience, no-one I know pvp's anymore - and we had a large active pvp team, who used to have fun. I've been doing my best to get the message across, but it's time up now.

And If I'm not pvping, I'm not really interested In the game anymore. Maybe it's the summer, maybe it's the world cup, maybe my life has just got more fun, luckily I have found a personal answer, I do now play Siege and enjoy it, it is more old-school UO.

So overall, while I think the OP's post was muddled up, I agree with him, it is a mess.

yes without parry you are dismounth almost every time. mage weapons or a weapons skill without parry blocks almost nothing. I am neither pro or against. But to put it a little less easy would be good and do something with the no-dachi. Do not have a heal full life, just the same amount of damage and put a timer

ezikel said:

yes without parry you are dismounth almost every time. mage weapons or a weapons skill without parry blocks almost nothing. I am neither pro or against. But to put it a little less easy would be good and do something with the no-dachi. Do not have a heal full life, just the same amount of damage and put a timer

ezikel said:

no problem with casting focus.the problem of parry is not only with anatomy ,eval or wrestling. but with all the combinasion.a dexxer can not compete against and when you managed to kill one is more luck

Weapon skill + hci vs Wrestling/Anatomy+Eval skill + dci, Parry & Casting Focus (17%)
 Which is the main reason I prefer for it to be either removed or changed.

Spells in comparison to melee never miss that’s always made pvp a mages game ever since 97 imo

Don't forget the difference in swing speed and spell casting.

Oreogl said:

Don't forget the difference in swing speed and spell casting.

That’s a 64% difference in casting flamestrike compared to swinging at the cap for those counting. Also very easily interrupted.

When I'm swinging four times every five seconds and only connecting close to 30% of the time that seems like no problem 

i actually dont see much of a problem on my melee dexxer as i do my archer i seem to hit way less