Glacial items policy changes

Why has there been no official announcement?? @Mesanna ;

Can you provide a link to this policy that was changed?

Some people are saying it on Stratics but so far NO posts have been seen from anyone saying that their stuff was deleted, so is this BS trying to smear UO or does some one have proof that it happened.

gay said:

Someone's glacial weapons on their auction safes got hue defaulted and there is outcry over it.

Considering the fact that all glacial weapons with base names are a byproduct of the doggy dupe exploit, it baffles me as to how anyone could be surprised or even upset when said items are actioned when attempting to profit from them.

Kind of funny that that happened so long long ago and she is just now getting around to doing something about it.  Wasn't the Vine Cord Sandals duped and they said they could stay but something that does not affect game play and has been around for a very long time all of a sudden needs fixed.  You would think that if she was deleting/changing the color that there would be way more than just one event of this being done.

Lord_Frodo said:

gay said:

Someone's glacial weapons on their auction safes got hue defaulted and there is outcry over it.

Considering the fact that all glacial weapons with base names are a byproduct of the doggy dupe exploit, it baffles me as to how anyone could be surprised or even upset when said items are actioned when attempting to profit from them.

Kind of funny that that happened so long long ago and she is just now getting around to doing something about it.  Wasn't the Vine Cord Sandals duped and they said they could stay but something that does not affect game play and has been around for a very long time all of a sudden needs fixed.  You would think that if she was deleting/changing the color that there would be way more than just one event of this being done.

Vine cords definitely weren't allowed to stay after they were duped lol. If you remember the "Effigy of a traitor" scarecrows that were put down on top of burnt down houses full of duped stuff, you might also remember the pair of sandals on a block that was at the heart of the majority of those houses, labeled "a useless pair of sandals".

gay said:

Lord_Frodo said:

gay said:

Someone's glacial weapons on their auction safes got hue defaulted and there is outcry over it.

Considering the fact that all glacial weapons with base names are a byproduct of the doggy dupe exploit, it baffles me as to how anyone could be surprised or even upset when said items are actioned when attempting to profit from them.

Kind of funny that that happened so long long ago and she is just now getting around to doing something about it.  Wasn't the Vine Cord Sandals duped and they said they could stay but something that does not affect game play and has been around for a very long time all of a sudden needs fixed.  You would think that if she was deleting/changing the color that there would be way more than just one event of this being done.

Vine cords definitely weren't allowed to stay after they were duped lol. If you remember the "Effigy of a traitor" scarecrows that were put down on top of burnt down houses full of duped stuff, you might also remember the pair of sandals on a block that was at the heart of the majority of those houses, labeled "a useless pair of sandals".

OK Stand corrected. I heard because there were so mony of the Vine Cords that they just left and because I knew no one that had them I did know that they deleted them.  Yes I remember all those houses but that was for massive gold dupe and other items not just Vine Cords.  UO even bragged about all the gold they wiped when really it was just a drop in the bucket.

Grimbeard said:

Why has there been no official announcement?? @ Mesanna 

keven2002 said:

Grimbeard said:

Why has there been no official announcement?? @ Mesanna 

Not sure why you are tagging Mesanna... she hasn't logged into her own forum for over a year. That should tell you all need to know about the response you will get (better yet - the lack thereof).

She probably just looks without logging in 

So where do you get these glacial items? If they were not from an event then why are any still around?

@Grimbeard you neglected to link the policy you say was changed. 

Maybe the GMs are doing their jobs like y'all ask. But then complain when they do. 

https://community.stratics.com/threads/trade-forum-policy-change-regarding-the-sale-of-glacial-items.429387/

Grimbeard said:

https://community.stratics.com/threads/trade-forum-policy-change-regarding-the-sale-of-glacial-items.429387/

That is a change of policy for the trade forum.  Just because Stratics was allowing illegal items to be sold and now is wiser, means nothing.

Your title says a policy was changed, where is that policy that said it was legal to own these items?

Why does Mesanna need to comment on a forums policy change? Are you really that despirate to read something she writes?  EMAIL HER!

Why does someone with no time for new content have time to delete bridge houses and desecration of players memorials and now randomly enforcement of a rule she allowed to be ignored? 

Pawain said:

Grimbeard said:

https://community.stratics.com/threads/trade-forum-policy-change-regarding-the-sale-of-glacial-items.429387/

That is a change of policy for the trade forum.  Just because Stratics was allowing illegal items to be sold and now is wiser, means nothing.

Your title says a policy was changed, where is that policy that said it was legal to own these items?

Why does Mesanna need to comment on a forums policy change? Are you really that despirate to read something she writes?  EMAIL HER!

https://mailchi.mp/broadsword/mays-uo-newsletter 

Lord_Frodo said:

Pawain said:

Grimbeard said:

https://community.stratics.com/threads/trade-forum-policy-change-regarding-the-sale-of-glacial-items.429387/

That is a change of policy for the trade forum.  Just because Stratics was allowing illegal items to be sold and now is wiser, means nothing.

Your title says a policy was changed, where is that policy that said it was legal to own these items?

Why does Mesanna need to comment on a forums policy change? Are you really that despirate to read something she writes?  EMAIL HER!

https://mailchi.mp/broadsword/mays-uo-newsletter 

I have removed illegal cloth, dye tubs and many sets of armor from the game.  As far as the ownership of glacial and/or void items, all glacial and void clothing items will be deleted.  If you have cloth that you are selling for yourself or others remove it from the vendors immediately.

I do not see where it says glacial pick axes are legal here. I see it saying glacial things are illegal to own. 

Grimbeard said:

Why does someone with no time for new content have time to delete bridge houses and desecration of players memorials and now randomly enforcement of a rule she allowed to be ignored? 

She is not removing the glacial items, GMs are...

Yes rules are enforced, isn't that a good thing?  Half the threads on this forum are complaining about rules not being enforced, the other half are bugs that are not bugs.

I still see no link saying Glacial Pickaxes are legal to own. 

So where is this policy change?

Says “all glacial and void clothing items will be deleted” not pickaxes or any else other than clothing items.  

Mariah said:

You did read the date on that newsletter link I posted?

The items have always been illegal, just someone decided to actually report them this time.

it specifically says only cloth items.  yes, cloth was made illegal over 5 years ago.  non-cloth items have been allowed. 

Smoot said:

Mariah said:

You did read the date on that newsletter link I posted?

The items have always been illegal, just someone decided to actually report them this time.

it specifically says only cloth glacial items.  yes, we all knew cloth was made illegal over 5 years ago.  items have been allowed. 

Exactly wishy-washy at best leadership on display here maybe Mesanna should start deleting her own creations like the LS  moonglow monstrosity or better yet pay attention to NL and quit deleting stuff on whims

In the TOS, anything can be deleted at a whim.  or any account banned.  you dont own your items, broadsword does. 

As a rares collector, the safest items are officially sanctioned, mean EM items.  but even those can and have been changed.  spellbooks with container fuction have had container function removed, among other changes.
Server Births are never safe.  weve seen many items be re-released making a once rare server birth indistiguishable from a common item.  theres always a risk with owning these items

The recent new stance on glacial items is sort of the same.  these were exploit items to begin with, so while the risk was lower than explicitly named delete on sight items, there was still risk.

The problem is people who were around at the time realize this alot more than newer collectors who just want to show off something bright.  it was what?  2007 or 8 that glacial dupes happened?  back around that time i found a pile of maybe 50 glacial items on the ground, and they were everywhere, cheap and plentiful.  so as an older collector i never valued them much.
but someone newer who wasnt around that time would be much more likely to spend high amounts on them, without thinking of the risk (since theyve been bought and sold freely for 15 years)  So its unfortunate that this new stance punishes newer collectors who didnt know any better.  but also not surprising.  We all have to realize that these are pixels owned by Broadsword.  ours to enjoy, but never entirely safe

Smoot said:

In the TOS, anything can be deleted at a whim.  or any account banned.  you dont own your items, broadsword does. 

As a rares collector, the safest items are officially sanctioned, mean EM items.  but even those can and have been changed.  spellbooks with container fuction have had container function removed, among other changes.
Server Births are never safe.  weve seen many items be re-released making a once rare server birth indistiguishable from a common item.  theres always a risk with owning these items

The recent new stance on glacial items is sort of the same.  these were exploit items to begin with, so while the risk was lower than explicitly named delete on sight items, there was still risk.

The problem is people who were around at the time realize this alot more than newer collectors who just want to show off something bright.  it was what?  2007 or 8 that glacial dupes happened?  back around that time i found a pile of maybe 50 glacial items on the ground, and they were everywhere, cheap and plentiful.  so as an older collector i never valued them much.
but someone newer who wasnt around that time would be much more likely to spend high amounts on them, without thinking of the risk (since theyve been bought and sold freely for 15 years)  So its unfortunate that this new stance punishes newer collectors who didnt know any better.  but also not surprising.  We all have to realize that these are pixels owned by Broadsword.  ours to enjoy, but never entirely safe

Is there anyone who looking at the UO  priority list has rares, bridges houses or players memorials in even the top twenty of things to fix/address???

Smoot said:

Mariah said:

You did read the date on that newsletter link I posted?

The items have always been illegal, just someone decided to actually report them this time.

it specifically says only cloth items.  yes, cloth was made illegal over 5 years ago.  non-cloth items have been allowed. 

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

Vagabond said:

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

Oh i despise the rares community grave robbing ghouls I'd instantly transport all items back to their home shard in a museum shard bound em items but that doesn't excuse the wishy-washy behavior of people so focused on NL that we get no new content 

Vagabond said:

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

Vagabond said:

Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

What does Stratics have to do with this, and how has it "gone rogue"? 

Vagabond said:

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

FAKE NEWS !!!

gay said:

Vagabond said:

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

we got a semi-unofficial response to that btw

you know it's valid because NL is being promoted in it.

Karyn said:

Vagabond said:

Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

What does Stratics have to do with this, and how has it "gone rogue"? 

When an "employee" of Stratics posts here and posts screenshots of replies they have received, pretending they are real messages, but showing no real proof. Also, Stratics decided a long time ago to include third party tools/information on their forums, which would not be allowed on official fanpages/forums afaik, and I cannot find them on the fansites link list either.

Skett said:

Vagabond said:

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

FAKE NEWS !!!

Vagabond said:

Karyn said:

Vagabond said:

Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

What does Stratics have to do with this, and how has it "gone rogue"? 

When an "employee" of Stratics posts here and posts screenshots of replies they have received, pretending they are real messages, but showing no real proof. Also, Stratics decided a long time ago to include third party tools/information on their forums, which would not be allowed on official fanpages/forums afaik, and I cannot find them on the fansites link list either.

Skett said:

Vagabond said:

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

FAKE NEWS !!!

You know, I'm not a trumpist and so I'd like to check sources for finding proof.

To clarify no one from stratics posted anything here 

Vagabond said:

Karyn said:

Vagabond said:

Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

What does Stratics have to do with this, and how has it "gone rogue"? 

When an "employee" of Stratics posts here and posts screenshots of replies they have received, pretending they are real messages, but showing no real proof. Also, Stratics decided a long time ago to include third party tools/information on their forums, which would not be allowed on official fanpages/forums afaik, and I cannot find them on the fansites link list either.

Skett said:

Vagabond said:

What are those screenshots supposed to be, evidence? It's pretty ridiculous to post such non-official, non-provable screenshots that anyone could fake instead of waiting for an official answer. Information from the very obviously no longer official fan site Stratics should also be taken with a grain of salt. That site went rogue months ago, and nothing posted there will help end this "glacial items scandal" (which only really seems to be an issue for "rares" collectors/sellers, as always).

No one else cares if these illegal items are gone, we have enough legal ugly colors already.

FAKE NEWS !!!

You know, I'm not a trumpist and so I'd like to check sources for finding proof.

Larisa said:

**I personally think glacial is hideous and has no place in Britannia** **Snip**

so we need to get rid of the Ice elementals, Frost spiders, Ice snakes, and the giant Ice  worms?

  

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Larisa said:

**I personally think glacial is hideous and has no place in Britannia** **Snip**

so we need to get rid of the Ice elementals, Frost spiders, Ice snakes, and the giant Ice  worms?

  

gay said:

Pretty sure mesanna stated only that spellbooks were fine. Not "Spellbooks and Pickaxes" but very specifically only "spellbooks".

Honestly it's hilarious watching people lose their minds over the actioning of ill-produced items. Did you know that they used to ban people's accounts for having an ethy cloak? Maybe they go back to that approach again with stuff produced by an actual base type dupe.

And if the argument is "wElL nEw CoLlEcToRs WoUlDnT kNoW" then I guess it stands to reason that they know now, and if they dont then they'll know when they get actioned.

Does the government allow people to keep counterfeit money when they find it? No.

Again allowing something for years then changing mind wishy-washy. doing it when your team is so busy with NL that we have no new content is disgraceful.

SaulGoodman1 said:

Seems like this Glacial weapon rule only applies to certain people, I have a feeling this is Clops just under a different name.

Did you page on them?

Pawain said:

SaulGoodman1 said:

Seems like this Glacial weapon rule only applies to certain people, I have a feeling this is Clops just under a different name.

Did you page on them?

I'd like this if I could 

SaulGoodman1 said:

Seems like this Glacial weapon rule only applies to certain people, I have a feeling this is Clops just under a different name.

Chances are they haven't been paged on, yet. Also for what it's worth, having known both Clops and Eason (played often by another played named Darko) I can pretty confidently confirm that they aren't the same people. Clops is an American player, Eason is a Taiwanese player.

Grimbeard said:

gay said:

Pretty sure mesanna stated only that spellbooks were fine. Not "Spellbooks and Pickaxes" but very specifically only "spellbooks".

Honestly it's hilarious watching people lose their minds over the actioning of ill-produced items. Did you know that they used to ban people's accounts for having an ethy cloak? Maybe they go back to that approach again with stuff produced by an actual base type dupe.

And if the argument is "wElL nEw CoLlEcToRs WoUlDnT kNoW" then I guess it stands to reason that they know now, and if they dont then they'll know when they get actioned.

Does the government allow people to keep counterfeit money when they find it? No.

Again allowing something for years then changing mind wishy-washy. doing it when your team is so busy with NL that we have no new content is disgraceful.

I mean a line drawn in the sand isn't clear until it's actually drawn. The fact is that those items were gained illegally, anyone with half a brain who owned them or wanted to own them knew full well that they could be subject to removal at any point due to this, and anyone who didn't know now knows. The line got drawn, bag up the ones you might have left and move on.

gay said:

SaulGoodman1 said:

Seems like this Glacial weapon rule only applies to certain people, I have a feeling this is Clops just under a different name.

Chances are they haven't been paged on, yet. Also for what it's worth, having known both Clops and Eason (played often by another played named Darko) I can pretty confidently confirm that they aren't the same people. Clops is an American player, Eason is a Taiwanese player.

Yep paged on them daily, they also run bots in vvv. I did page for this specifically three times.

SaulGoodman1 said:

gay said:

SaulGoodman1 said:

Seems like this Glacial weapon rule only applies to certain people, I have a feeling this is Clops just under a different name.

Chances are they haven't been paged on, yet. Also for what it's worth, having known both Clops and Eason (played often by another played named Darko) I can pretty confidently confirm that they aren't the same people. Clops is an American player, Eason is a Taiwanese player.

Yep paged on them daily, they also run bots in vvv. I did page for this specifically three times.

idk what to tell you then, maybe ask yoshi to write it up as a bug report or something

There use to be all kinds of links at the bottom of UO.COM besides TOS, what happened to them?  How are new players suppose to know what they can and can not do in the UO.  @Mariah do you have any links that could help.  

Yoshi said:

"I don't get involved in this kind of issue,

pm me your discord or ask for me in general chat and someone will normally let me know, this will now be the second time i'm paying out for you, but i have to wait for VS to be up"

You pay? I thought uo pay because ITS THEIR FAULT, oh if your paying don't worry about it and i will pay you back what you spent. Also I demand The dev team re-imburse me.

"did you page a GM with your issue? i would be surprised if they don't change the name for you"