Is The Deep Dead In The Water?

The loot being equal to the roof and the roof being easy to key.....

“Issue with the paralithodes attacking other players has been reported in bug forum.

(https://forum.uo.com/discussion/10133/underwater-bugs#latest  near the bottom past the initial non issues reported)

it’s a little irritating however damage is not actually dealt or received on other players as it’s trammel rule set, (unless the other players are guilded) and going grey does not affect much in trammel rule set either. (You’re technically attackable Color - not criminal which by default is also grey, so you only appear grey to certain players)

The intended way of playing the underwater encounter has largely been voiced as terrible, even more so after the patches to restrict player's to it. But that means nothing because the devs intended for it to be done this way, and it's up to us as players to accept that they know what is best for our enjoyment of Ultima Online the "MMORPG".

To kind of piggyback off Yoshi's post; ATL does have UW run several times a day as you will often see people call out for help with it at various times a day. Nobody uses the crabs down there though as there are too many issues with them and they don't "do" enough. Typically you will see a handful of sampires as the main damage dealers and then everyone else tossing summons (RC or EVs or earth eles) while spamming heal on the sampires and most others (healing alone gets you looting rights). It's actually one of the few public events I've been to in the past several years where there is heavy teamwork going on with random people for a greater good.

I haven't done it a ton but typically it's like at least 8 people needed (or 6 VERY good players) which consists of maybe 3-4 sampires and 4-5 healers. I could be wrong on this but I think you would have a very hard time without at least a couple warriors taking damage as the boss would chew through mages/summons pretty quickly otherwise.

Good question. How would you bond these pets?

Have to somehow stay there a week?  Log off and log on again a week later but never leave? Then you have a tamer stuck there and can never return to land?

It's always been a flawed broken encounter seldom done until the exploit 

How many of those players were tamers? And how did they not have their pets attacking others?

"none use, I do it on my tamer, but i don't use the crabs anymore, by the time i find one and tame it, the boss ia too low health already cos there's so many people, i just use earth eles because there's enough sampires there dealing damage i can just heal and get looting rights"

gay said:

translation: most active server in game has people actively doing it, almost nobody is using the "intended" method with crabs though, and mages can just use summons to scab looting rights.

the pet method was a neat concept for trammel despise, still had flaws back then that really weren't fleshed out with the release of this encounter, or since.

personally i don't do this encounter at all, purely out of laziness, but if i did i would just bring a bard and four cross healing dexxers and call it a day. park the bard, make a usebandage and bandage last macro, make windows tiny and click through them to xheal and toggle specials.

ezpz

What is most strange, is that, I suppose, it would only take a small adjustment to crabs, in order to restore their functionality for this Boss....

Just buff them up so that they do not die that easily and can actually fight the Boss and, of course, stop their attacking other players....

popps said:

gay said:

translation: most active server in game has people actively doing it, almost nobody is using the "intended" method with crabs though, and mages can just use summons to scab looting rights.

the pet method was a neat concept for trammel despise, still had flaws back then that really weren't fleshed out with the release of this encounter, or since.

personally i don't do this encounter at all, purely out of laziness, but if i did i would just bring a bard and four cross healing dexxers and call it a day. park the bard, make a usebandage and bandage last macro, make windows tiny and click through them to xheal and toggle specials.

ezpz

What is most strange, is that, I suppose, it would only take a small adjustment to crabs, in order to restore their functionality for this Boss....

Just buff them up so that they do not die that easily and can actually fight the Boss and, of course, stop their attacking other players....

What is crazy is that it would only take small adjustments for probably 90% of everything that currently has needed re-adjustment or re-balancing in this game for years now. But it just never happens, there is no interest, and in the rare occasions change does happen, it's likely not done correctly and then never touched again because "welp we changed it once already, maybe we'll look at it again in a couple years."

“They never changed the crabs, they have always been broken, (attacking players)
it’s just that it only recently got noticed because people actually tried using them instead of using exploits to import their own pets.

(But i admire the OPs excuse that they had no idea they were using an exploit before. I wonder if that excuse could roll for everything else.)”

I’ve always known Crabs to be a bit Salty, maybe that’s why they attack everyone but the boss. 

I believe the intent was to make it a unique experience that they wanted to be fun and interesting, instead of just the same old stuff with a story no one pays attention to. Personally though, I have no issue with pets being allowed down there. 

Can you even imagine what would happen if they made it so that all chars would have to use crabs and not be able to use their skill set?  Cluster....

AmberWitch said:

My reasoning would be just just simply put a hitching post down there and let tamers partake in this.

What's the argument against that?

I have not played the deep yet but what does a tamed crab's loyalty rating say when a tamer lores the crab?  

What happens if you feed the crab? Does its behavior change?

“Loot is as good as if not better than the roof just sans cameo drop.
I done the roof the other day (party of 4), normally takes about 30-45mins? - plus waiting time for players.