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Give us some help for the Artisan Festival

Started by Drowy · 2022-12-07 · 65 posts · General Discussions
#0
I like the event, because its a community event, but its very time consuming, expensive and with every upcoming one more exhausting and somewhat boring. And without some dedicated Bod makers you wont get far. There are just a few shards that get the last stage on all trees and even some shards that dont event get any tree to the last stage. I would like to see any help asap, because Artisan Festival 2023 will come sooner as we want. So here are my ideas to give us some help:

- The most effective one would be to change the points needed for a tree from around 25k banking to about 100k-150k turn in points. This would save us from using valuable Large Bods and excessive bribing and people not very used to the Bod system can just do single Bods and still have an impact on the tree.

- Next one would be to have for any single Bod you can get there should be a Large Bod. Like Large Bod for Smith helmets and Shields, Strength, Agility, Greater Cure, Greater Heal potions, Inscription, Tinkering and Carpentry has a lot of Single Bods which dont have a Large Bod to put them in, etc.. Especially when the first point wont come, this would be a good help to have for Large Bods with good point value to turn in.

- Lets us decide what we want to bribe, quantity, exceptional or material. Its frustrating if you need an exceptional Bod and it always jumps in quantity or material. As if bribing is annoying enough.

- Would be cool if npcs would sell any item up to 500 and instantly restock. Its annoying when you need bulks of regs or blank scrolls and have to buy up the items from npc, it takes like forever and you dont even know when the npc might restock. Also when doing trade deals and the npc item is sold out it can be frustrating. There is already items like empty bottles that work that way.

- It would be cool when a Bod would take the amount it needs from a stack in your bagpack, so you wont have to split it to the exact amount it needs. A Potion Bod for example doesnt take 20 of a stack of 100 or 21.

- Last but not least STATIC RESOURCES. I dont want to buy resources from scripters cause there is no way to get the high amount of especially ingots I need or I would have to use an enormous amount of time to get them. I made a little 30 min mining test run and ended up with 1400 iron, 303 Dull Copper, 183 Shadow Iron, 195 Copper, 127 Bronze, 115 Gold, 66 Agapite 94 Verite and no Valorite. I probably will have used around 50k Valorite when the event ends, so even if I can get 100 Valorite in an hour, I would have to spend 500 hours mining additional to the time used for collecting Bods, turning in, bribing, sorting, etc. to get this amount of Valorite i need. Not to speak of Wood, where its even harder to get the rare ones. I want to use my mining and lumberjacking and go get the exact material I need. The scripters got the monopoly, because its not worth the time for honest players. Maybe static resources would even bring some pvp to Felucca. I dont see any bad point on bringing it back. It would mostly help honest players. Even if scripters would get more rare resources than now, honest players would have enough chances to get some as well. There wasnt any better solution brought up, so pretty please bring back static resources.
#1
To get valorite use garg pick axes, prospecting tools and there are bods that give you a map for a val spot that will yield 1,000 ingots in tram and 2k in fel. There is also a reward from frog pool i think where you can convert verite to val.  

But overall I agree - dont use bank points - use bod points and raise it so you can turn in a bunch of singles with higher ores and get good points vs only being able to get good points from larges.  

#2
Garg pick axe and prospectors tool help, but you will have to handle the elementals and even if i end up with around 500 Valorite in an hour with the tools, its still 100 additional hours, for the valorite map you need a 20exc verite plate and up Large Bod, so that would be about 2k Verite for a Valorite map and i dont want to fight the Void Pool to get convert iron or raid merchant ships. I want to use my mining, lumber to get the material I want.
#3
Allow us fisherfolk to contribute feeding the trees no name's 
#4
I just want Bod reward maps for the in-between ingots. 
High ends ingots I get off pirate its the copper to gold that are a pain to get.
#5
Or maybe just not wait until the event is active and fill BODs for the 11 months you have until it starts??

Just an idea....
#6
Drowy said:
Garg pick axe and prospectors tool help, but you will have to handle the elementals and even if i end up with around 500 Valorite in an hour with the tools, its still 100 additional hours, for the valorite map you need a 20exc verite plate and up Large Bod, so that would be about 2k Verite for a Valorite map and i dont want to fight the Void Pool to get convert iron or raid merchant ships. I want to use my mining, lumber to get the material I want.
Do mining in fel Delucia.  You are in a city so guards kill the elementals. There are enough spots to mine continuously. You get the fel bonus.
#7
This ^^^
#8
Controlled bribing would be nice. Mostly to avoid making the bod turn exceptional too early.  I've gotten to the point that if a bod turns exceptional I just stop bribing it. I do not need the aggravation that comes with bribing a bod that is already exceptional.

The price you bribe should not be affected by other players bribing activity.  Currently you can be DOSed by other players bribing the NPCs before you. 




#9
The best I've found for resource gathering of high end metals is to go pirate. You can get 500 valorite ingots from a single merchant ship but still get 100 or so from pirate ships. This takes a lot less time IMO than trying to find ore spots.
#10
My problem was that I thought you only needed to donate one BOD to get a gift so across two accounts, every toon donated but only one earned a gift. Which is it?  Do you have to contribute a certain amount of points or is it one and done?
#11
Depending on the value of the large bods contributed it takes somewhere around 250 to 400 large bods to complete a tree (25,000 bank points). Only when there is a star on the top is every contributor sure of a prize.
#12
RangeII said:
My problem was that I thought you only needed to donate one BOD to get a gift so across two accounts, every toon donated but only one earned a gift. Which is it?  Do you have to contribute a certain amount of points or is it one and done?
You are quaranteed a gift only when the tree has a star.
#13
Pawain said:
Drowy said:
Garg pick axe and prospectors tool help, but you will have to handle the elementals and even if i end up with around 500 Valorite in an hour with the tools, its still 100 additional hours, for the valorite map you need a 20exc verite plate and up Large Bod, so that would be about 2k Verite for a Valorite map and i dont want to fight the Void Pool to get convert iron or raid merchant ships. I want to use my mining, lumber to get the material I want.
Do mining in fel Delucia.  You are in a city so guards kill the elementals. There are enough spots to mine continuously. You get the fel bonus.

I did my test run in Fel and can handle elementals, it wouldnt change much if anything at all. Still I would not be able to get enough high end ore in a reasonable time. I know all the ways to convert, I even did the Thepem/Zosilem quest to convert Bronze to Valo or Copper to Verite. But the point is the main source to get rare Wood or Ore should be lumber and mining and not raiding merchant ships or anything else.

Larisa said:
Or maybe just not wait until the event is active and fill BODs for the 11 months you have until it starts??

Just an idea....

Well I started in June, collected, bribed and filled Bods for many many hours to have more than 700 Large Bods ready before the event. I dont want to use more of my playtime for Bods.I heard there is something else in UO than Bods ;)
The main point is that the Artisan Festival was too tough from the beginning and with the decreasing player base and less people participating in the Artisan Festival, it gets tougher each year. I am just seeking for some help and gave some points for it.

Btw. I forgot 2 points.

- delete the special material (Mining gems, Brilliant Amber, White Pearl) from the bluerpint of the elven style Bows and ekven style carpentry weapons. Also delete the Nexus Core Bod, noone wants to craft those for a Bod.

-adjust the Small Bod to Large Bod ratio. Blacksmith could use a little more Small Bods, Tailoring a lot more Large Bods, Tinkering way more Small Bods, Fletching more Large Bods, Alchemy more Large Bods, Carpentry More Large Bods, Inscription way more Large Bods, Cooking more Large Bods.

#14
Drowy said:
Pawain said:
Drowy said:
Garg pick axe and prospectors tool help, but you will have to handle the elementals and even if i end up with around 500 Valorite in an hour with the tools, its still 100 additional hours, for the valorite map you need a 20exc verite plate and up Large Bod, so that would be about 2k Verite for a Valorite map and i dont want to fight the Void Pool to get convert iron or raid merchant ships. I want to use my mining, lumber to get the material I want.
Do mining in fel Delucia.  You are in a city so guards kill the elementals. There are enough spots to mine continuously. You get the fel bonus.

I did my test run in Fel and can handle elementals, it wouldnt change much if anything at all. Still I would not be able to get enough high end ore in a reasonable time. I know all the ways to convert, I even did the Thepem/Zosilem quest to convert Bronze to Valo or Copper to Verite. But the point is the main source to get rare Wood or Ore should be lumber and mining and not raiding merchant ships or anything else.

Larisa said:
Or maybe just not wait until the event is active and fill BODs for the 11 months you have until it starts??

Just an idea....

Well I started in June, collected, bribed and filled Bods for many many hours to have more than 700 Large Bods ready before the event. I dont want to use more of my playtime for Bods.I heard there is something else in UO than Bods ;)
The main point is that the Artisan Festival was too tough from the beginning and with the decreasing player base and less people participating in the Artisan Festival, it gets tougher each year. I am just seeking for some help and gave some points for it.

Btw. I forgot 2 points.

- delete the special material (Mining gems, Brilliant Amber, White Pearl) from the bluerpint of the elven style Bows and ekven style carpentry weapons. Also delete the Nexus Core Bod, noone wants to craft those for a Bod.

-adjust the Small Bod to Large Bod ratio. Blacksmith could use a little more Small Bods, Tailoring a lot more Large Bods, Tinkering way more Small Bods, Fletching more Large Bods, Alchemy more Large Bods, Carpentry More Large Bods, Inscription way more Large Bods, Cooking more Large Bods.

The main point is that the Artisan Festival was too tough from the beginning and with the decreasing player base and less people participating in the Artisan Festival, it gets tougher each year. I am just seeking for some help and gave some points for it.

Indeed, things have changed since the Artisan Festival started and less players are around and even less players doing BODs....

Perhaps, given the circumstances, the easiest thing that the Developers could do could be to lower the Star requirement, say, down to 15,000 Bank points to compensate the lack of players and of BODs collectors ?
#15
@popps it is usually 1 to 4 players on a shard that put the BODs on that make the star.  A shards population rarely has anything to do with it. Atlantic rarely gets a star. So your easy button ideas are just a cop out.

The devs are aware of the numbers they made, they can adjust them any time, but have chose not to.
#16
Yep, even on *dead* shards...it's not about population, it's about dedication.

Today was day 1 for Trinsic...




Second tree for Origin
#17
Larisa said:
Yep, even on *dead* shards...it's not about population, it's about dedication.

Today was day 1 for Trinsic...




Second tree for Origin
 it just takes dedication, preparation, and inspiration. 
#18
Pawain said:
@ popps it is usually 1 to 4 players on a shard that put the BODs on that make the star.  A shards population rarely has anything to do with it. Atlantic rarely gets a star. So your easy button ideas are just a cop out.

The devs are aware of the numbers they made, they can adjust them any time, but have chose not to.
It is not about an easy button idea but, rather, about some better game design (to my opnion) that would not waste players' time, and massively, in repetitive, alienating "same-like" tasks that eventually may alienate them from ever wanting to log in and play that game...

I do not know about others, but my day is only of 24 hours and I need to fill in that time a whole bunch of many things to have to do... all pretty much more important then spending time in a game doing the same things over and over....
#19
Most games are doing the same thing over and over. You ever play a board or card game?

What game is not doing the same thing over and over? I played craps about 30 hours in the last 10 days. Was a lot of fun doing the same thing over and over.
#20
Pawain said:
Most games are doing the same thing over and over. You ever play a board or card game?

What game is not doing the same thing over and over? I played craps about 30 hours in the last 10 days. Was a lot of fun doing the same thing over and over.
Even more fun when you win, I bet!  >:)
#21
Pawain said:
@ popps it is usually 1 to 4 players on a shard that put the BODs on that make the star.  A shards population rarely has anything to do with it. Atlantic rarely gets a star. So your easy button ideas are just a cop out.

The devs are aware of the numbers they made, they can adjust them any time, but have chose not to.

Calling the lowering of the points needed for a star on a tree to 15k points an easy button, shows me you never have been really involved in growing the tree, cause 15k is still alot. Try gathering resources and collecting, bribing, filling Bods worth 15k points and then we may talk again. Popps idea would also be a big help and is a valid point.
Also sometimes one or more of the few players growing the tree break and already broke away, with that alot of Bods are missing which like I said before makes it harder each year.

Also it would be great to get a timer until when the presents appear at the tree, because you cant scedule it, because the time frame doesnt work like it should or maybe someone can explain why the Trinsic tree had presents at 9 am if not earlier. If the event started at midnight, presents for Yew should appear at midnight, for Vesper 17 hours later which is 5 pm and for Trinsic 17 more hours which should be 10 am. The later it gets, the harder it is to have an idea when the building time and the presents time is. So I would like to have an hourly timer, so you exactly know until when you have to finish the tree.
#22
Being a crafter myself and doing my modest part every artisan tree festival, I fully understand your plight. On a shard with only a few dedicated crafters, it's a massive undertaking to put the star on every tree, and I applaud you for putting so much effort in it every year. On the other hand, it also means that those dedicated ones have the opportunity to grab some rewards which others cannot.

Together with you, I hope that the devs hear you and it would already be very helpful if they lowered those 25.000 banking points to something a bit "kinder".
#23
Being a crafter myself and doing my modest part every artisan tree festival, I fully understand your plight. On a shard with only a few dedicated crafters, it's a massive undertaking to put the star on every tree, and I applaud you for putting so much effort in it every year. On the other hand, it also means that those dedicated ones have the opportunity to grab some rewards which others cannot.

Together with you, I hope that the devs hear you and it would already be very helpful if they lowered those 25.000 banking points to something a bit "kinder".
Or let fishermen contribute thier no names to help each crab/lobster worth 1 point
#24
I think most of the people who are dedicated Artisan Festival contributors work towards this year round. It's a lot easier when bods are collected regularly throughout the year and large bods are done throughout the year. This waiting till the last minute to do bods when real life gets busy with the holiday preparations makes it too frantic. Procrastination in this suckeths. 

#25
I think most of the people who are dedicated Artisan Festival contributors work towards this year round. It's a lot easier when bods are collected regularly throughout the year and large bods are done throughout the year. This waiting till the last minute to do bods when real life gets busy with the holiday preparations makes it too frantic. Procrastination in this suckeths. 

While I appreciate that it's geared toward crafters i think allowing everyone to participate fishers as I've described tamers like moonglow zoo etc..
#26
Grimbeard said:
I think most of the people who are dedicated Artisan Festival contributors work towards this year round. It's a lot easier when bods are collected regularly throughout the year and large bods are done throughout the year. This waiting till the last minute to do bods when real life gets busy with the holiday preparations makes it too frantic. Procrastination in this suckeths. 

While I appreciate that it's geared toward crafters i think allowing everyone to participate fishers as I've described tamers like moonglow zoo etc..
Maybe because taming and fishing can be done the other 11 months and have their own rewards.

It is called Artisan Festival for a reason.

As a poster would say, Leave as is, no reason to change something that works.

I am up to 8 full containers of the rewards. 


Maybe more...
#27
next year will be the last year (unless someone else comes up with an idea of new items)
doubt they would change that for just one more year.

I started doing Large BODs a couple months ago
and had enough for 3 full trees before the festival started
(doesn't include what others have done too)

I do have a massive amount of Large BODs that can be filled
but having the time to fill them, is what is needed
(all these back to back events, has made that hard to do)
luckily I have a few friends that are now helping fill some of them 
(maybe with their help I can get a very big head start on next years too)

=======

one thing I wish they would change is...
let us choose which direction the BOD bribes up
(do the DEVs know how hard it is to get an exceptional footwear BOD?
you can't bribe them to exceptional... they always jump to the other resource type)
#28
one thing I wish they would change is...
let us choose which direction the BOD bribes up
(do the DEVs know how hard it is to get an exceptional footwear BOD?
you can't bribe them to exceptional... they always jump to the other resource type)
Doesn't really matter though only thing is that you need to use coloured leather to fill them. They match the lbods just fine even if better material is used, you can also use exceptional items where normal is needed.
#29
Looks like the Baja Bod drop in Moonglow will start tonight @ 9 Eastern, 6 Pacific.

Anyone who has bods, large or small, or if you just want to see the tree pop please come!

#30
On Great Lakes we are truely fortunate.  We have a dedicated player who spends her time during the year getting ready for this one event. She not only collects vast amounts of bods but fills them. Some for the rewards she sells to finance her main effort. By the time the artisan festival begins she has enough bods completed to complete every tree on Great Lakes. Others do contribute to the growth of the tree but really it only serves to ensure everyone gets rewards from the festival. Knowing how much work she puts in for this o can understand the frustrate faces on shards without a dedicated BOD maker, but changing this to make it easier isn’t the answer. Removing the challenge to allow everyone to win isn’t the answer with this or a dungeon or an event. 
#31
Riner said:
On Great Lakes we are truely fortunate.  We have a dedicated player who spends her time during the year getting ready for this one event. She not only collects vast amounts of bods but fills them. Some for the rewards she sells to finance her main effort. By the time the artisan festival begins she has enough bods completed to complete every tree on Great Lakes. Others do contribute to the growth of the tree but really it only serves to ensure everyone gets rewards from the festival. Knowing how much work she puts in for this o can understand the frustrate faces on shards without a dedicated BOD maker, but changing this to make it easier isn’t the answer. Removing the challenge to allow everyone to win isn’t the answer with this or a dungeon or an event. 
And what if that dedicated player in gathering BODs and filling them was to stop playing or change her playing style on Great Lakes ?

No longer completing trees at the Festival would be possible on that shard....

I am sorry, but relying on players who are so dedicated and have significant time to give to the community, at least to my opinion, should not be the answer when dealing with the Design of the BOD Festival....

The completion of the Trees should be tailored to the "active" population of Shards across all Year, me thinks.... pretty much like in Dungeons.... whereas, more players prompt more spawn.

That is, Shards with a larger Population should require more points like now, BUT, Shards with a lesser active population across Year round, should have lower requirements for the completion of the Tree so that, all Shards could have a shot at completing their trees regardless whether they have a high or low population....

And not have to rely of very dedicated players, but be "feasible" with normal and not extraordinary gameplay.

That is at least how I see it.
#32
Popps   How many bods have you donated so far?

i have no idea what this festival is all about. Could you explain to me please?

I assume you know all about this subject aswell ?
#33
silence........
#34
@popps the continual wish to have things made easier for you to complete them is much like asking for participation trophies. The object of Ultima Online or the original games, isn't about everyone achieving the same thing in the same manner. While we have a dedicated BoD filler who does it primarily for the festival without much work the trees are raised by the general population. Of course, if there isn't the interest in the rewards people won't take part and inconsequence will not get them. The standard for this and other rewards is set, and clearly achievable if there is desire to do so. Instead of looking for an easier way to accomplish things simply learn to do them. Also, other shards manage to finish their trees as well so if you want the rewards fill the BoDs, easy as that. 
#35
So, the Artisan Festival is around the corner and preparing hasnt become easier. Any chance to get some help for the dedicated tree growers?
#36
Drowy said:
So, the Artisan Festival is around the corner and preparing hasnt become easier. Any chance to get some help for the dedicated tree growers?
Has your shard started filling bods?
#37
Chrille said:
one thing I wish they would change is...
let us choose which direction the BOD bribes up
(do the DEVs know how hard it is to get an exceptional footwear BOD?
you can't bribe them to exceptional... they always jump to the other resource type)
Doesn't really matter though only thing is that you need to use coloured leather to fill them. They match the lbods just fine even if better material is used, you can also use exceptional items where normal is needed.
yes it can jump to the other colors of leather
but that defeats the purpose of using an EXCEPTIONAL bod
because I have never gotten a tailor footwear deed to go to exceptional
it always goes to the number count and then to colored

you have to get the footwear as exceptional
(think i have only gotten about 6 or 7 since i posted this)
so i have a bunch of bods that i have to keep, until i can get an exceptional
which hardly ever happens
#38
Sure, started with beginning of the year. But there is mostly 3-5 people doing the majority of the work to grow the tree. Collecting Bods, sorting, bribing, crafting, sometimes collecting materials costs alot of time, if you want to grow all trees. And I still think its way too much. 1% doing the hard work and 99% leeching from them getting same amount of presents if tree is full growth. Its not encouraging to keep doing it.
#39
Drowy said:
Sure, started with beginning of the year. But there is mostly 3-5 people doing the majority of the work to grow the tree. Collecting Bods, sorting, bribing, crafting, sometimes collecting materials costs alot of time, if you want to grow all trees. And I still think its way too much. 1% doing the hard work and 99% leeching from them getting same amount of presents if tree is full growth. Its not encouraging to keep doing it.
On Baja there's a weekly craft night 
#40
Most shards have 1 primary Tree Maker.  

Thank you all!

 ❤️ 
#41
yes it can jump to the other colors of leather
but that defeats the purpose of using an EXCEPTIONAL bod
because I have never gotten a tailor footwear deed to go to exceptional
it always goes to the number count and then to colored

you have to get the footwear as exceptional
(think i have only gotten about 6 or 7 since i posted this)
so i have a bunch of bods that i have to keep, until i can get an exceptional
which hardly ever happens

Mine usually goes all the way to barbed before anything else. But, I also have bribed a 10ct normal leather to 10ct exp normal leather. It just takes about 20 or more 10 count normal bods to luck out. lol (Foot wear are the only tailor I bribe up.)

Pawain said:
Most shards have 1 primary Tree Maker.  

Thank you all!

 ❤️ 

You Welcome! 🙂
#42
Here's what I do:

Get a large leather BOD..ANY large leather BOD.

Find the smalls to fill it..ANY smalls....if you have a 10 count normal leather armor BOD and you have a 15 count exp. spined small...USE IT!

BRIBE the large ALL the way up to 20 exp barbed
BRIBE all the smalls ALL the way up to 20 exp barbed

Fill the smalls
Fill the large

Done.

Weapons BODs....sure they aren't worth nearly as much but SO much easier and I don't know about anyone else but I get a ton of large weapon BOD's.

Same as above...get large weapons BOD

Bribe it up all the way to 20 exp

Do the same with the smalls
Fill it.

#43
That gets expensive!. lol I'm cheap!
#44
What would be needed, to my opinion, to really help out with the Artisan Festival so as to to make the "massive" filling up of the BODs needed, would be a crafting station (a new Veteran Reward ?) that was capable, when locked down, of holding unlimited materials besides tools.... then, with a Macro, the player could be able to command the crafting of whatever the BOD needs using the materials and tools contained in the crafting station and fill up the BODs....

We should face the reality of a today's UO with a much smaller players' Population, when the Artisans Festival was conceived, many more players where active and contributed to dropping of filled BODs onto the Elf.... nowdays, instead, a considerable lower number of players, especially on lesser populated Shards, are active during the Artisans Festival and the work and time necessary for these fewer players involved can become daunting and deterring....

A Crafting Station like I suggested, would be a good step towards making such massive work more reasonable and acceptable.

That is at least how I see it.

@Kyronix , can we please see such a Crafting Station become perhaps a Veteran Reward ?
#45
popps said:
What would be needed, to my opinion, to really help out with the Artisan Festival so as to to make the "massive" filling up of the BODs needed, would be a crafting station (a new Veteran Reward ?) that was capable, when locked down, of holding unlimited materials besides tools.... then, with a Macro, the player could be able to command the crafting of whatever the BOD needs using the materials and tools contained in the crafting station and fill up the BODs....

We should face the reality of a today's UO with a much smaller players' Population, when the Artisans Festival was conceived, many more players where active and contributed to dropping of filled BODs onto the Elf.... nowdays, instead, a considerable lower number of players, especially on lesser populated Shards, are active during the Artisans Festival and the work and time necessary for these fewer players involved can become daunting and deterring....

A Crafting Station like I suggested, would be a good step towards making such massive work more reasonable and acceptable.

That is at least how I see it.

@ Kyronix , can we please see such a Crafting Station become perhaps a Veteran Reward ?
Baja one of the least populated shards yet will get every tree no need for anything except unselfish team work
#46
@popps What shards tree are you growing this year with your so massive BOD collection that you cant make them manually?  
#47
Pawain said:
@ popps What shards tree are you growing this year with your so massive BOD collection that you cant make them manually?  
Of course that BODs can be filled "manually".... only, it takes players' time and a whole lot of it too. To my opinion.... helping out players to reduce the time to spend at repetitive, tedious tasks such as for example the filling of BODs for the Yearly Artisans' Festival in UO, should not be, to my humble opinion, a "taboo" argument to discuss on these UO official Forums....

Time is the most precious commodity because the time gone will never come back... trying to save up one's own time so that also other things can be done, not primarily the filling of BODs in UO during the Artisans Festival for those players who are involved with it, to my opinion, should be seen as a good thing, not a bad one.
#48
This thing isn't that onerous if you just think ahead a bit. I started working on my 'tree book' in August, at that I was way behind one of the other Europa governors who started in January and already has enough for his town. It only takes a few bods per week doing it that way. 

I'd hate to see the trees taken over by scripters, but I'm awful afraid that might happen if filling them was as automated as popps would like.
#49
popps said:
Pawain said:
@ popps What shards tree are you growing this year with your so massive BOD collection that you cant make them manually?  
Of course that BODs can be filled "manually".... only, it takes players' time and a whole lot of it too. To my opinion.... helping out players to reduce the time to spend at repetitive, tedious tasks such as for example the filling of BODs for the Yearly Artisans' Festival in UO, should not be, to my humble opinion, a "taboo" argument to discuss on these UO official Forums....

Time is the most precious commodity because the time gone will never come back... trying to save up one's own time so that also other things can be done, not primarily the filling of BODs in UO during the Artisans Festival for those players who are involved with it, to my opinion, should be seen as a good thing, not a bad one.
If your time is as precious as you purport, Why are you wasting it in a video game again?

#50
Grimbeard said:
popps said:
What would be needed, to my opinion, to really help out with the Artisan Festival so as to to make the "massive" filling up of the BODs needed, would be a crafting station (a new Veteran Reward ?) that was capable, when locked down, of holding unlimited materials besides tools.... then, with a Macro, the player could be able to command the crafting of whatever the BOD needs using the materials and tools contained in the crafting station and fill up the BODs....

We should face the reality of a today's UO with a much smaller players' Population, when the Artisans Festival was conceived, many more players where active and contributed to dropping of filled BODs onto the Elf.... nowdays, instead, a considerable lower number of players, especially on lesser populated Shards, are active during the Artisans Festival and the work and time necessary for these fewer players involved can become daunting and deterring....

A Crafting Station like I suggested, would be a good step towards making such massive work more reasonable and acceptable.

That is at least how I see it.

@ Kyronix , can we please see such a Crafting Station become perhaps a Veteran Reward ?
Baja one of the least populated shards yet will get every tree no need for anything except unselfish team work
AMEN
#51
Drowy said:
Sure, started with beginning of the year. But there is mostly 3-5 people doing the majority of the work to grow the tree. Collecting Bods, sorting, bribing, crafting, sometimes collecting materials costs alot of time, if you want to grow all trees. And I still think its way too much. 1% doing the hard work and 99% leeching from them getting same amount of presents if tree is full growth. Its not encouraging to keep doing it.
It just is what it is unfortunately. I personally do not think the trees should take as many BODs as they do for a star but I guess others might argue that gives crafters something to do in the game. Either way, I doubt anything will change because this event has been the same cookie cutter thing for at least past 4-5 years with many players saying this same thing. I doubt they would change anything at this point when it's much easier to set & forget until it's time to turn it off.
#52
On Origin Shard which is not heavily populated, each Governor has taken on the task to fill their trees.  Last year we managed about 5 trees with our limited population.  We intend to do it all again this year and welcome everyone to throw a bod or two to get your rewards.

#53
On Chesapeake, we are incredibly fortunate to have Sweetz cracking the whip over her hummies. She is the BOD queen! 

There are a ton of BODs to be found at idocs. We try to grab as many as we can (people just leave them behind!) and give them to Sweetz' hummies across the shards. I THINK they determine if they are good for the points or not and then moves them over to Chessy as space allows. She does them year round. Or has them done by her hummies I should say LOL.

I do NOT begrudge her one bit the "hack" of paying vendors for unlimited storage. She did remind us last week that the season was upon us and to please bring her BODs. I know she spends a lot of time doing them and organizing them so that she knows each town will have its tree. 

I love the idea of a crafting night each week to help fill BODs for the tree. I don't think the points should be changed but maybe the availability of BODs should be changed. There are days when all I want to do is craft and fill bods etc but I only turn in the ones that aren't in LBODs and I run out of BODs to do. I save all my alchemy ones to turn in to the tree because they are easy to fill and the rewards aren't that great. 

There is a special place in UO heaven for these BOD-filling tree builders and I, for one, appreciate them greatly!
#54
^like^

Also the pro BODers know when the tree will light up.

I'll show up for those posted when I can. Support your local growers.

Alchemy BODs are the cheapest and best small BODs to fill. The vendor does not run out of potions.  Can buy them from the room above.
#55
Pawain said:
^like^

Also the pro BODers know when the tree will light up.

Sweetz also provides a runebook in the order or reverse order of the trees. She really is a one-stop Artisan tree shop!
#56
Nice to see that there are some crafting communities working together. Still I think its way to much work, especially cause everyone gets the same share when the star is up. We shouldnt be forced countless hours collecting Bods, farming materials, sorting, bribing and finally crafting and combining the Bods. We have to prepare for an event, sometimes the whole year. I like crafting and also the community aspect of the event, but when some invest hundrest of hours and sometimes alot of money, while others just hop in with lots of charcters dropping one Bod get a reward with no effort at all doesnt feel right and I am tired of it. I left my points for some relief. Lets see what happens.
#57
Drowy said:
Nice to see that there are some crafting communities working together. Still I think its way to much work, especially cause everyone gets the same share when the star is up. We shouldnt be forced countless hours collecting Bods, farming materials, sorting, bribing and finally crafting and combining the Bods. We have to prepare for an event, sometimes the whole year. I like crafting and also the community aspect of the event, but when some invest hundrest of hours and sometimes alot of money, while others just hop in with lots of charcters dropping one Bod get a reward with no effort at all doesnt feel right and I am tired of it. I left my points for some relief. Lets see what happens.
I took eggs to the main BOD shards, bought the Spellbook, bought cheap LRC suits and made a Toon that can gate me to trees now.  I have be a more effective leecher now!

But, It did make me have 1 toon on a few shards that can do a few things. Otherwise, they are all just NOOBs.
#58
 
This year I'm done with bods as soon as the Halloween event starts. I'll make sure that the 2 cities that have Governors who actively participate (one being me and the other WildStar) have enough points to get full trees and that's it for me. It's time for others to step forward should they desire. This is a purely voluntary participatory event and thankfully this year a number of people have stepped up. This could be an event that the Governors could rally for their city's tree but each Governor has to make that decision for themselves.

Last week EM Echo came as a reporter to the Cranky Crafters craft night so we had some extra people show up which was fantastic! Hopefully they'll keep coming back. Having the support of the shard's EM helps greatly too. Those who care will do the best they can and hopefully enjoy what they're doing and the people they're doing it with. That's what this is all about for me.




#59
 
This year I'm done with bods as soon as the Halloween event starts. I'll make sure that the 2 cities that have Governors who actively participate (one being me and the other WildStar) have enough points to get full trees and that's it for me. It's time for others to step forward should they desire. This is a purely voluntary participatory event and thankfully this year a number of people have stepped up. This could be an event that the Governors could rally for their city's tree but each Governor has to make that decision for themselves.

Last week EM Echo came as a reporter to the Cranky Crafters craft night so we had some extra people show up which was fantastic! Hopefully they'll keep coming back. Having the support of the shard's EM helps greatly too. Those who care will do the best they can and hopefully enjoy what they're doing and the people they're doing it with. That's what this is all about for me.




You can't quite see but Amber's the one with the whip in her hand..
#60
On Chesapeake, we are incredibly fortunate to have Sweetz cracking the whip over her hummies. She is the BOD queen! 

There are a ton of BODs to be found at idocs. We try to grab as many as we can (people just leave them behind!) and give them to Sweetz' hummies across the shards. I THINK they determine if they are good for the points or not and then moves them over to Chessy as space allows. She does them year round. Or has them done by her hummies I should say LOL.

I do NOT begrudge her one bit the "hack" of paying vendors for unlimited storage. She did remind us last week that the season was upon us and to please bring her BODs. I know she spends a lot of time doing them and organizing them so that she knows each town will have its tree. 

I love the idea of a crafting night each week to help fill BODs for the tree. I don't think the points should be changed but maybe the availability of BODs should be changed. There are days when all I want to do is craft and fill bods etc but I only turn in the ones that aren't in LBODs and I run out of BODs to do. I save all my alchemy ones to turn in to the tree because they are easy to fill and the rewards aren't that great. 

There is a special place in UO heaven for these BOD-filling tree builders and I, for one, appreciate them greatly!

Thank You!
#61
@Drowy This could be a very good question to ask the new "Community Manager CM Fenneko" 

😂
#62
Would it be possible to add a feature where someone doing the lion's share of the work, getting these trees to pop, gets additional rewards? Like, X amount of bods dropped on the elf, a special reward lands in your pack.

Something like that would spark interest in getting bods filled and dropped to pop more town trees, no? If you thought you'd get something extra special might you not crowd around the elf to drop bods on him? It could take some burden off the folks we owe our thanks to for doing so many bods and reward them at the same time. I dunno...just a thought.

Edited to add: LOL Vagabond!
#63
LilyGrace said:
Would it be possible to add a feature where someone doing the lion's share of the work, getting these trees to pop, gets additional rewards? Like, X amount of bods dropped on the elf, a special reward lands in your pack.

Something like that would spark interest in getting bods filled and dropped to pop more town trees, no? If you thought you'd get something extra special might you not crowd around the elf to drop bods on him? It could take some burden off the folks we owe our thanks to for doing so many bods and reward them at the same time. I dunno...just a thought.

Edited to add: LOL Vagabond!
Maybe a title scroll "Santa's Lil Helper"  or "Grinch's Henchman" or some such...
#64
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