Been flagged now twice for no apparent reason but believe this morning I figured out how the flagging application works on the second floor near the steps. First when I am there every once in a while a gaggle of three or four players or afk players (I can’t tell if they are present or afk they act real enough to me) comes down the steps killing every thing in sight which triggers additional spawn. Second all the action congregates in front of the steps with lots of spawn big and small surrounded by these players with the action becoming hot and heavy, third I join in using meteor swarm (I can’t target anything when this happens so I use a spell that hits multiple targets). Fourth the afk application profiles these players as being afk (quite possibly some of them are) based on this activity and it flags everyone in the general area since it’s looking at the overall activity and not individual players. It’s a form of profiling.
That makes sense now. No one looking specifically at my character would think I am afk. I am always moving, playing independently and responding to what is happening. I don’t fit the profile. But when the gaggle of players comes down the overall activity does. Usually, these guys don’t hang around long after the fight and I only see them come down occasionally, like when I get flagged.
Not accusing the players that come down all at once as being afk. They seem normal enough to me. Just saying the overall activity, and not what individual players are doing, triggers the afk flagging.
Not going to complain about the lack of any built in safeguards to prevent innocent players from being flagged.
Above post...He is saying that these suspicious players will page on you. There is no actual standing still timer. Unless it is longer than 20 min. Too boring to test longer than that.
That gaggle probably paged on Arnold because they did not want him taking their kills. Which proves there is someone sitting at their PC.
Yall are getting actioned because others are paging on you. It's been that way the whole time.
It's probably players who read the constant threads about Bots. They think any group is a Bot so they page on the because the internet told them to. 😂
Suspected a player, like a gm, might have flagged me. the first time but did not know what it was called or how it was done. Did not make sense that I was flagged. Second time it appeared that being a part of the group doing the fighting was the common factor. But was unaware players could cause other players to be flagged. Both times it occurred I did not recognize any of the other players. Not sure what paging is but your explanation but is right on. Maybe it’s time for UO’s team to comment on this unless they want to continue to taking the blame for flagging innocent players.
That may be the case but we should still know the who what when where and why of a system we know nothing about.
In reading the last meet and greet notes, one of the few sensible replies was somebody saying they wouldn't tell you how the logic works. Your bank won't tell you how the fraud detection logic works, when it goes awry when making a $2 purchase at a convenience store (but never triggers when making a multi thousand $ purchase). The bank will turn off the fraud detection logic on your account in special case circumstances if you make enough noise.
The notion this is being triggered by players paging is 100% nonsense. That's based on my own observations.
Are you hinting at getting x drops per level then it basically shuts you down?
I can switch floors, I guess you do not read my guides for each dungeon, I put safe spots to mark before the dungeons begin, so players can make books and do this. I have a player sitting outside to gate ghosts to the entry.
Some players are not "brave" enough to go beyond the first floor I guess. If anyone that is a regular player on LS, they will talk in chat if they can not damage the Mobs. We talk in Gen chat a lot. Come during prime time 7C to 10C, chat is busy. And 5 others would repeat whatever someone says is causing issues trying to help them.
So there are players who never leave a floor or recall out for an hour or more. The other day I was playing with another archer and we stayed on the second floor for a significant amount of time because the spawn was very quick, and they were not familiar with the third floor. We both got drops and neither of us were affected by this trigger you think is in the game. After 20 mins I did get bored on the second floor so I did go to the third and fourth. I can't play in the same spot for long, but it was a wonderful anomaly that the second floor was spawning so quickly, so I stayed as long as I could handle.
Tell me step by step what to do to make your theory trigger. But spending 20 mins on a floor while getting drops does not trigger anything for me or others on LS.
I am willing to try your theory if I have enough info to re create it. I have melee, thrower, Ninja Tiger, Archer, Tamer, Plain Mage.
I can use any of those if I know what to do with what type toon and for how long.
No I am not a bot but I feel like one some days.
I play on GL and mostly at night. Have been hit both times at night when just a few of us were playing but both times when a group of players came through generating enough spawn for things to get wild. Lots of targets congregated in a small group and everyone piles on. Targeting is pretty much nonexistent so I use meteor swarm or chain lighting as those work with slayers, do a lot of damage to multiple targets, and the cursor just needs to be pointed at the mob. Usually on for two or three hours.
I usually play near the steps on the second floor and the area above the steps because there is more room to run in those areas. I do play in the other areas of the dungeon when more players are present but was flagged both times in the area I usually play in.