player memorials

Norry said:

Seems these are being moved already. We are missing some on napa.

Take photos from your shards now, they will be gone soon

i recommend emailing not only mesanne but her boss ..

Yes it's sad to see them removed, but it saves a lot of hassle in the future. Everyone will have streamlined memorial stones (Possibly a book?)  and just like a cemetery we can visit everyone in one place.

No reason to get panties in a bunch, just take pictures and cherish the memories.

Also you should take a look inside the memorial area if you haven't. It's really pretty.

I have, napas was empty.

Larisa said:

Yes it's sad to see them removed, but it saves a lot of hassle in the future. Everyone will have streamlined memorial stones (Possibly a book?)  and just like a cemetery we can visit everyone in one place.

No reason to get panties in a bunch, just take pictures and cherish the memories.

Also you should take a look inside the memorial area if you haven't. It's really pretty.

The history and permanency is what makes UO  uo ...you cant keep erasing it especially based on one person's whims...

It didn't look like this on Test or when it first went live. They have been working on decorating it and making it look nice.  I thought  there were going to be memorial stones in here, I guess it's going to be like the Memorial Wall were people's names are written on it. 

Really wish they'd put grass instead of that starlight stuff. 

Yes I agree grass would look much better.

"One of the most poetic facts I know about the universe is that essentially every atom in your body was once inside a star that exploded. Moreover, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than did those in your right. We are all, literally, star children, and our bodies made of stardust." — Lawrence M. Krauss

How do you read the names?

???.  Don’t really understand the rational of removing these. Does not make sense after having allowed them for so many years.  UO is not a game traditional role playing game with an evil character like Zelda’s Ganondorf.  It’s just players.  It’s like real life.  Players have houses, transportation, bank accounts, and free will to do whatever they want.  Players are not forced to follow a particular path the way they would be in a game like Zelda.  Most players have been around for years and these memorials are important to them.  In a controlled game in which players all have a uniform goal, like defeating Ganondorf, uniformity is expected.  UO is not a game like Zelda.  That kind of uniformity does not belong here.  Some decisions, like who has access to shard shields, need to be revisited but this was not one of those.

UO has all the elements it needs to succeed but does not know how to put them together.

Pawain said:

How do you read the names?

I don't think there are any right now? I am hoping that once they remove them all they will add the names to the wall somehow? I am unsure how the whole thing works, they really didn't tell us much about it.

Larisa said:

Pawain said:

How do you read the names?

I don't think there are any right now? I am hoping that once they remove them all they will add the names to the wall somehow? I am unsure how the whole thing works, they really didn't tell us much about it.

We can't fix decades old bugs but trust us to delete and move your loved ones grave..so pathetic 

I really have no opinion on the topic of keeping player memorials that are in the game.  But, they should not delete stuff before putting the info on the memorial wall.   I thought that someone said that some info was on a memorial wall.

I still cant figure out how to read the walls.

If you do care about a deceased player you could name a Constellation after them, where it will be permanent. 

My wife has never cared for the fact that I've played this game for over 20 yrs, she would be soooooo pissed if I passed, and there was some kind of memorial for me lol....

Garth_Grey said:

My wife has never cared for the fact that I've played this game for over 20 yrs, she would be soooooo pissed if I passed, and there was some kind of memorial for me lol....

That is kinda my reasoning.  Nobody here would know that I died.  Nobody here knows my name none of my friends or family know what UO is. 

But we are not everyone, so memorials are for those people.  Whether they stay or go should not be determined by me.  I do have a Player memorial in my house that I made for a passed player. Also have a table with my favorite current players sitting around it, that are dressed like them.

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

My wife has never cared for the fact that I've played this game for over 20 yrs, she would be soooooo pissed if I passed, and there was some kind of memorial for me lol....

That is kinda my reasoning.  Nobody here would know that I died.  Nobody here knows my name none of my friends or family know what UO is. 

But we are not everyone, so memorials are for those people.  Whether they stay or go should not be determined by me.  I do have a Player memorial in my house that I made for a passed player. Also have a table with my favorite current players sitting around it, that are dressed like them.

I'm pretty sure when we didn't see you post after 2 days without you saying you were going on a cruise we would know something happened. That doesn't mean anyone would ask for a memorial but people would at least have an idea. 

Garth_Grey said:

My wife has never cared for the fact that I've played this game for over 20 yrs, she would be soooooo pissed if I passed, and there was some kind of memorial for me lol....

I'll make sure it happens then. 

Yes only other gamers can understand why adults play a game like this one.  Was pleasantly surprised to find other older adults my age playing this game. Thought for a long time though.  I was the only older adult that played these kinds of games.  Certainly no one I know in real life admits to playing them.  We are the target audience.  UO might realize that.  It is hard to say.  But think UO should realize that the player memorials, bank decorations and other elements that make each shard unique are part of the game’s culture and should stay.

keven2002 said:

Pawain said:

Garth_Grey said:

My wife has never cared for the fact that I've played this game for over 20 yrs, she would be soooooo pissed if I passed, and there was some kind of memorial for me lol....

That is kinda my reasoning.  Nobody here would know that I died.  Nobody here knows my name none of my friends or family know what UO is. 

But we are not everyone, so memorials are for those people.  Whether they stay or go should not be determined by me.  I do have a Player memorial in my house that I made for a passed player. Also have a table with my favorite current players sitting around it, that are dressed like them.

I'm pretty sure when we didn't see you post after 2 days without you saying you were going on a cruise we would know something happened. That doesn't mean anyone would ask for a memorial but people would at least have an idea. 

10 day Panama canal cruise Nov 28th. But I have the WiFi package so I'll be here still. Unless the craps table gives me lots of love.

Pawain said:

I really have no opinion on the topic of keeping player memorials that are in the game.  But, they should not delete stuff before putting the info on the memorial wall.   I thought that someone said that some info was on a memorial wall.

I still cant figure out how to read the walls.

Simple mouseover shows text if the memorial is fully transfered. It looks like it may be an automated system since incomplete memorials only have partial gold on the wall.

(there are many with only slight gold on the wall showing multiple memorials are being done at one time)

Can someone that holds more clout with the higher ups please make sure this one is fixed with correct spelling?

Gotta love that QA

Adding this to the afk application errors have to wonder if anyone is proofing this game anymore. 

Urge said:

Pawain said:

I really have no opinion on the topic of keeping player memorials that are in the game.  But, they should not delete stuff before putting the info on the memorial wall.   I thought that someone said that some info was on a memorial wall.

I still cant figure out how to read the walls.

Simple mouseover shows text if the memorial is fully transfered. It looks like it may be an automated system since incomplete memorials only have partial gold on the wall.

(there are many with only slight gold on the wall showing multiple memorials are being done at one time)

Can someone that holds more clout with the higher ups please make sure this one is fixed with correct spelling?

Thanks! I was was too impatient to hover.

“Spelling mistake on a memorial or headstone should be a disciplinary for someone.
That is the apex of disrespect

my utmost sympathy to any relatives

i suggest calling a GM on that shard to get it corrected immediately”

Yoshi said:

“Spelling mistake on a memorial or headstone should be a disciplinary for someone.
That is the apex of disrespect

my utmost sympathy to any relatives

i suggest calling a GM on that shard to get it corrected immediately”

Yup, they should get gm to fix this asap.

Yoshi said:

“Spelling mistake on a memorial or headstone should be a disciplinary for someone.
That is the apex of disrespect

my utmost sympathy to any relatives

i suggest calling a GM on that shard to get it corrected immediately”

Memorial designs were done via email to the EM how the requesting player submitted. If the requesting player wasn't available online when it was placed then everything was done exactly how the email requested.

This is one of those technicality things where the requesting player probably just made a boo-boo in text and nobody knew if it was meant to be or not. 

Could be an inside joke the requesting player had. Idk. No blame should be placed though. It sure would look nice fixed. 

PS: I'll surely give praise where it's due. When it was empty, I was against that area being dark and gloomy with the tiles and starlight, but it really looks nice with the purple and gold on the black wall. Props on that one! 

Larisa said:

No reason to get panties in a bunch

JohnKnighthawke said:

Larisa said:

No reason to get panties in a bunch

One day you'll care about something and someone will use a similar dismissive phrase against you. I suspect you won't react well.

Just thinking rationally now, the removal of the existing memorials is actually pretty bizarre -- extra work for no end unless she thinks it's funny to cause problems for the EMs.

You suspect incorrectly. 

I am glad they are all in one place, it's just like real life....go to a cemetery and visit everyone there, which I do quite often because I know there are people there who've had no visitors in years.

Now I can go to any shard and visit, just like real life.

I don't really like the memorial wall. I mean, I'm glad that they are still providing a place to remember those that have left us but ... I really feel like it's quite special to be out and about in the world and run across a player memorial. You stop, wonder what it is and then find out about this person and those who care about them. The wall is a little cold and if you never knew they existed, you'll never go visit. 

I probably didn't say this as eloquently as I wished but ... 

They should have just added their names to the spawning NPC list instead. That way, if the RNG treats you well, your UO friend who passed has a chance of spawning as your Tillerman.

These memorials where something unique, one aspect of our games history. I figured only today that the memorial for one of our deceased friends, for which several players donated deco elements from whispering roses up to a singing ball went away.
Figure me as upset.
*Salute*
Olahorand

Mesanna says so but stuff she made like private docks for her friends that's fine...

Grimbeard said:

Mesanna says so but stuff she made like private docks for her friends that's fine...

 Being in the Mesanna Clique is a whole different issue......

Tyrath said:

Grimbeard said:

Mesanna says so but stuff she made like private docks for her friends that's fine...

 Being in the Mesanna Clique is a whole different issue......

Agreed 

“You can call a gm to get memorial moved to the correct location, the GM will email an EM for you”

I remember that memorial on great lakes... Miss seeing them on my travels.

Problems were, in my opinion, the memorials were not moved, they were trashed, the dead were not honored by this action and the ugly wall is in a ugly hidden area with ugly purple deco.

Yoshi said:

"the dev team went to the effort of creating a beautiful official permanent memorial, which they did not have to do, and you're basically trash talking it."

Why destroy things that were already there i saw not a single complaint about players memorials once again the team decides what's best with 0 input from player base yet I've emailed Mesanna with locations of private docks which should be deleted or one given to everyone 

Yoshi said:

"the dev team went to the effort of creating a beautiful official permanent memorial, which they did not have to do, and you're basically trash talking it."

“The important thing, IE the text
is copy pasted to a new smarter memorial, that is more accessible

It’s not about you,
you accusing them of digging up the graves 

when what they have done is something nice. And you say shows a lack of respect, 
it’s you who show lack of respect for the hard work they put into the new smarter memorial.

People who have had their loved ones memorial moved, you’re basically making them feel bad now by such statement.

also you say someone “bitched” about them and “EMs can put on their big girl panties” , no need to disrespect women, they are both sexist remarks regardless of context. If I said that I would insta be perma banned”

“While well intended, some of the previous memorials like the pic Tyrath posted are a real eyesore and inappropriate as a memorial. You would not get permission irl to place such things in a graveyard irl”

Yoshi said:

“While well intended, some of the previous memorials like the pic Tyrath posted are a real eyesore and inappropriate as a memorial. You would not get permission irl to place such things in a graveyard irl”

Really,  it looks like it was taken from a RL example.



They do not allow flowers, gravestones or statues where you are from? Do a search for horses or animals and you will find those also.

It would be so "ULTIMA ONLINE" to run around in the open world and stumble upon a player memorial designed by real players, specially for another Ultima Online Player. 

Who on earth will go out of the way to visit that recently created, "memorials" in a hidden unknown place unless they know the person - even so what do they see? Black boards that all look the same. OMG.

It looks like Mesanna wants to chuck or hide them in one corner so no one will see or stumble on them!

The objective of the Dev team is to clean the entire world to zero state as if no one was there in the past 25 years. IDOC rules etc make sure all shards will be as clean as a fresh installation when no one else is playing UO.
 

Since the Magincia gardens aren't used that would have made a lovely area to create new memorials. Granted, I haven't checked all shards but I'd venture a guess that most are not being used as intended. It's not hidden in some dark, dank dungeon area.

I am very pleased to see these memorials moved to a new location. they still don't belong in the game but having their own separate area is a fair compromise. It is refreshing to see the development team acknowledge player feedback 

Where is this memorial area?

Archangel said:

Where is this memorial area?

Brit Graveyard has the wall to enter.

gay said:

We have leftover EM placed deco and object that exist in the world obstructing house placements, and things like clickable podiums that allow someone to attack a player, then use the item to safely transport themselves to Luna without regard for the flagging system, outside of their HOUSES. Yet somehow those are all acceptable

“Someone reported this to me I said I’ll deal with it this week”

Im glad they are gone. Just wanted to post that cause most posting are not happy about it.

gay said: We have leftover EM placed deco and object that exist in the world obstructing house placements, and things like clickable podiums that allow someone to attack a player, then use the item to safely transport themselves to Luna without regard for the flagging system, outside of their HOUSES. Yet somehow those are all acceptable

"This has now been fixed, podium deactivated"

Pawain said:

Archangel said:

Where is this memorial area?

Brit Graveyard has the wall to enter.

Thanks!  🙂 

Archangel said:

Pawain said:

Archangel said:

Where is this memorial area?

Brit Graveyard has the wall to enter.

Thanks!  🙂 

Should be in any graveyard.

Arnold7 said:

Yes only other gamers can understand why adults play a game like this one.  Was pleasantly surprised to find other older adults my age playing this game. Thought for a long time though.  I was the only older adult that played these kinds of games.  Certainly no one I know in real life admits to playing them.  We are the target audience.  UO might realize that.  It is hard to say.  But think UO should realize that the player memorials, bank decorations and other elements that make each shard unique are part of the game’s culture and should stay.

I am just now the age of my parents when we all started playing UO 25 years ago.

Aside from being Ultima junkies we started UO to be "together" although the family was scattered across the US.

Additionally, my sister, her oldest daughter about 13 years old at that time and my brother played as well as a few "real life friends."

UO friends and guildmates became valuable people in our lives. We had in person guild get-together with people flying from all over the country to attend.

So UO itself was more than just a game and the "game" was valuable in our lives.
Many of us paid for other's accounts to keep them going through the years and when the final day(s) any mate would no longer be playing it was a sad time.

The toughest were the passings of "active players" and those with no account survivorship.
It's a horrible feeling for the duration of time till their home idoc'd.

I was fortunate enough to be able to make a memorial for a friend with his vendor that stands on my patio but for the most part my brain holds the memorials for all through memory of our UO and in person times.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Should be in any graveyard.

My good friend in real life, and long-time adventuring partner in Ultima Online, passed away last week. It appears hers is the first memorial on the new wall on Great Lakes. The way to read it is to hover over the flower or candle that is placed there. 

For me, this is enough for a game-sponsored memorial. I have also created one outside of one of my houses, using some flowers I found that had her name on them, some bells which were her favorite thing to collect, and I also made a large 18th anniversary vase, because she also loved those. I had made her a verite one for her house, so I made an agapite one for her memorial. If I can get her account login, I will also add a statue, and her favorite bow. I engraved the gryphons with her name, dob and dod, and "valorous warrior, loyal friend". She was one of the original beta players, back when Trammel didn't exist. Hard to imagine her not being there.

Celestia said:

My good friend in real life, and long-time adventuring partner in Ultima Online, passed away last week. It appears hers is the first memorial on the new wall on Great Lakes. The way to read it is to hover over the flower or candle that is placed there. 

For me, this is enough for a game-sponsored memorial. I have also created one outside of one of my houses, using some flowers I found that had her name on them, some bells which were her favorite thing to collect, and I also made a large 18th anniversary vase, because she also loved those. I had made her a verite one for her house, so I made an agapite one for her memorial. If I can get her account login, I will also add a statue, and her favorite bow. I engraved the gryphons with her name, dob and dod, and "valorous warrior, loyal friend". She was one of the original beta players, back when Trammel didn't exist. Hard to imagine her not being there.

Nice memorial you have.
Thanks, so the only ones that can be read are the ones with flowers?

These are fake ones on LS? Because I can't read any.

I spent some time in the memorial area recently. I think it looked like a work in progress (which is fine as long as it looks nicer over time).  I also think that it will be able to accommodate a lot of people’s names. I loved seeing the player memorials in game in different places for sure. It was very special.  But having them in this area means a lot more people can get their names memorialized in game, which I think is overall nicer. 

Mariah said:

Creating this special area for memorials took time and resources, whereas leaving things as they were took none. I would therefore conclude that there is a valid reason for the change, but not being a mind reader, I am not aware what that is.

Communication with the player base has been something Origin/EA/Broadsword seems to really struggle with. It was much better in the Early years and had some high points at times between then and now. But over all Communicating with the players outside of a select few has not been a high priority obviously.  You would not have to be a mind reader if they would simply put forth their logic and reasoning and maybe engage in some conversation outside of the clique.