24yrs Of This Is More Than Tiresome - Devs Please Give Us Some Quality Of Life Options

they already added it, its called EC

Whitewolf said:

they already added it, its called EC

/golf claps. Add CC graphics on top and I'll use it. Otherwise this is a request for the CC.

Yes in EC one macro dresses and arms you.  Could probably mount you as well.  Could probably do spells like protection and magic protection as well if you have magery.  I have separate Marcos for these but think I could combine them if I wanted.  Not sure if I could also drop the  robe though.

Each client is different and you have to choose 

Death robes should be done away with. Having them spawn on a rezzed person serves no real purpose and as I see it never did other than the novelty of pointing out you just got rezzed.

I think I am also getting sick of CC users who complain they won't switch to EC because it's graphics are bad but yet many of us are already using EC and swear never to switch back to CC.

I guess it might help to specify which part of CC graphics must be pass on to the EC. We are all CC users for many years before EC was created. It isn't 100% all bad graphics or we won't convert. Be fair to the team and let them know which are the bad ones. It can't be all. 

For me, i feel that some issues are just "preferences", and it doesn't matter which one is used.

E.g. I like the Balron look in CC but I can "accept" EC - its not bad enough to stop me from using EC.

What are those graphics that are really so bad that without those, you will swear never to use EC.

It should not be "every" EC graphics is crap?

If we can all stick to One client perhaps it's easier for the team to maintain and make it better. Nothing has been done to EC for years. 

Grimbeard said:

Each client is different and you have to choose 

Estel_Randir said:

Grimbeard said:

Each client is different and you have to choose 

Yes, no duh. That does not mean I am not going to ask for some common sense improvements.

Anyway, I have no interest in debating clients because it's beaten to death hundreds of times and I will play what I will play. Arguing clients is like arguing politics. So, I will not waste my time beyond this last post. I simply ask the devs to strongly consider my request. Thank you.

So EC gets auto follow? 

Seth said:

I think I am also getting sick of CC users who complain they won't switch to EC because it's graphics are bad but yet many of us are already using EC and swear never to switch back to CC.

“I have never noticed any issue with death and containers, but other than my backpack and bandage belt I don’t normally have any open. I think I open them automatically now it becomes second nature.

Estel_Randir said:

Seth said:

I think I am also getting sick of CC users who complain they won't switch to EC because it's graphics are bad but yet many of us are already using EC and swear never to switch back to CC.

One last /golf clap.

Good old UO "community". 51% one side, 49% the other. With one side who can't let an opportunity pass to tell the other one how much they hate (OMG we are so sick of you CC people! rofl) them (aka you) just because they express an opinion with an honest appeal to the devs mind you - not you. Just move on and stop trying to derail this into another argument between clients.You clearly can't help yourself, or you would just have kept your criticism to yourself, lol.

I could care less of anyone is sick of the CC users. I also have a char with basic EC setup & after 30 min of using it, I simply want to delete it - with a hammer =p.

Peace, enjoy talking to the wind.

Apologies, I am not criticizing CC users but put the other way around, I am happy if CC can incorporate all the grid backpack, map, actions and macro features. It's time we combine the two into one good client. The only thing standing in the way is purely cosmetic.

EC dress and arm macro has no delays.  I click-on the macro key and I am instantly dressed and armed with my default weapon.  It only consists of one action, equip items I think is it’s name.  It takes a little time to figure out how to edit it so it works.  But once you do that it is quite easy to work with.

Seth said:

I think I am also getting sick of CC users who complain they won't switch to EC because it's graphics are bad but yet many of us are already using EC and swear never to switch back to CC.

I guess it might help to specify which part of CC graphics must be pass on to the EC. We are all CC users for many years before EC was created. It isn't 100% all bad graphics or we won't convert. Be fair to the team and let them know which are the bad ones. It can't be all. 

For me, i feel that some issues are just "preferences", and it doesn't matter which one is used.

E.g. I like the Balron look in CC but I can "accept" EC - its not bad enough to stop me from using EC.

What are those graphics that are really so bad that without those, you will swear never to use EC.

It should not be "every" EC graphics is crap?

If we can all stick to One client perhaps it's easier for the team to maintain and make it better. Nothing has been done to EC for years. 

I think I am also getting sick of CC users who complain they won't switch to EC because it's graphics are bad but yet many of us are already using EC and swear never to switch back to CC.

Then, why not give to these players the OPTION to be able to use the EC UI but with the CC graphics ?

Wouldn't such an Option made available to UO players make a whole lot of players happier ?

popps said:

Then, why not give to these players the OPTION to be able to use the EC UI but with the CC graphics ?

Wouldn't such an Option made available to UO players make a whole lot of players happier ?

I don't know probably because they use different graphics engines and are NOT interchangeable. For the non technical it would probably like switching a diesel truck to gas.

If it was easy to do they would have done it years ago for no other reason then to stop the constant whining.

And for the record I like the death robes. It lets me keep track of how I did that night.

Use an undertakers staff, the death robe goes poof.

popps said:

Seth said:

I think I am also getting sick of CC users who complain they won't switch to EC because it's graphics are bad but yet many of us are already using EC and swear never to switch back to CC.

I guess it might help to specify which part of CC graphics must be pass on to the EC. We are all CC users for many years before EC was created. It isn't 100% all bad graphics or we won't convert. Be fair to the team and let them know which are the bad ones. It can't be all. 

For me, i feel that some issues are just "preferences", and it doesn't matter which one is used.

E.g. I like the Balron look in CC but I can "accept" EC - its not bad enough to stop me from using EC.

What are those graphics that are really so bad that without those, you will swear never to use EC.

It should not be "every" EC graphics is crap?

If we can all stick to One client perhaps it's easier for the team to maintain and make it better. Nothing has been done to EC for years. 

I think I am also getting sick of CC users who complain they won't switch to EC because it's graphics are bad but yet many of us are already using EC and swear never to switch back to CC.

Then, why not give to these players the OPTION to be able to use the EC UI but with the CC graphics ?

Wouldn't such an Option made available to UO players make a whole lot of players happier ?

Why not make this into a lower hanging fruit, instead of massive coding, why not let the artist redraw only selected CC graphics in EC format and put replace the existing in EC? 

Start listing.

It's like how they make new graphics for new items or monsters. It's just a cosmetic revamp.

I think this is easier and faster than a rewrite of the CC to add EC functions. Or better than trying to replace the entire EC graphics engine with CC.

The landscape and housing looks quite similar on both CC ans EC.

how can you die in trammel in this game? ( one account open of course )

We've asked for these for decades. We've gotten a few updates here and there but nothing significant. Things for the CC (and EC if it doesn't have it) I would love would include:

• Drink heal, drink cure potion macro
• Option to disable spell particle effects + field animations.
• Option to disable words of power
• Option to add spell at end of words of power, ie: "In Flam Grav - Firefield"
• Gold display on character status bar
• Update for the object handle system. Maybe a macro slots for 3 customizable, or just set, object handle types. They could be default to alt + shift for item objects, shift + tab for non-player neutrals/hostiles, etc. 
• Targeting system that actually works.
• Increased performance, server and client. Game chugs at EM events but even when just running around Luna sometimes.

... and that's just off the top of my head. We'll never get any of them.

 😂 many don't use the objects one.  But Gold ?  He is too busy looking at everyone else to see his own abilities.   😂

Too bad the exploding tar and the confusion potions do not work on paragons in the dungeons.

Yoshi said:

" @ username what game you playing?"

Do those macros chug a pot as soon as it's off timer? Or queue a potion up?
Is that your total accounts gold/plat? You know we got that "new" system where it's shared on amongst chars on the same shard? What game you playing? 
While they're at it, fix the item insurance menu. If you have well over 1+ plat it only shows "1,000,000,000+" gold.
Forgot, it's the UO forums, gotta spell everything out completely else the trolls get hungry. Yeesh.

Agree the character insurance menu and house placement tool should be fixed to show total bank balance instead of the 1plat max. 

Disagree on showing it on the status bar. It would take up too much room. 

Then again, it only takes 20 seconds to hit a bank and check balance so it doesn't really bother me either way. 

“If you’re wanting to auto chug a heal potion as soon as it’s off timer, you’re not going to do very well at the game. Same for any consumable. 
@username
Also just our if interest, what do you mean by 
an option to disable words of power

You mean the spells? Why would you want to do this and how would you know what spells people are casting?

(uoassist will show the English names of spells)”

Yoshi said:

" @ username what game you playing?"

I don't use these macros in game (I use UOA instead) because it causes my client to crash seemingly the first time I use it for a new stack / trap box (at least I think this is the cause? I haven't really try to narrow it down). I've used the trap box and enchanted apples macro several times (seemingly when I get a fresh stack of apples or new trapped box) and when I hit the macro for it my client stops working and when I log back in usually I'm dead so i don't really mess with it.

Has anyone else encountered this consistently? I'm wondering if maybe I'm doing something wrong like casting a spell while eating an apple or trying to hit my open box macro and open door macro after? 

I haven't crashed but sounds like maybe you have a client macro and uoa macro on the same key. 

I haven't tested 2 conflicting client macros though. 

Your user data file might be messed up if you are crashing. Might need to start a new one. Just a guess. 

It is possible to create everything the opening poster wishes for.

Classic Client, can outperform everything, looks, feel, functionality, if only it is allowed to.

You need more testing to narrow it down from all your macro keys down to who all is around.

There used to be an age old exploit in pvp where a specific macro from someone else could crash you. I also once had a registry issue where the entire game was smooth as silk but it prevented me from opening a mob corpse. I never figured that one out. 

I didn’t realize this wasn’t in the CC I seriously just run back to my corpse double click my body and everything is opened and placed as it was including my clothing. 

Carpboy_12 said:

I didn’t realize this wasn’t in the CC I seriously just run back to my corpse double click my body and everything is opened and placed as it was including my clothing. 

The only thing misplaced in CC is things that are blessed or insured. Those go in your main backpack because they are not on the body anymore.  I have to put my runebooks back into the bag they travel in.

Yoshi said:

Pawain said:

The only thing misplaced in CC is things that are blessed or insured. Those go in your main backpack because they are not on the body anymore. 

"Pawain wrong again, they all stay in same place if they are in top level of pack,

stuff you are wearing must ofcourse go in random place, because they were not in any place before - you were wearing them, but that is remedied by dress/arm macro. (or double clicking corpse to arm/dress)

I think the OP is putting insured things in a container and expecting them to be in the container, even though the container is on his body as you can't insure/bless a container.... and insured things are in his bag, i'm guessing

Even the death robe goes automatically onto the floor when you reclaim your body

literally everything single thing is in its place i really do not understand the OP at all "

You are wrong the only things that move are insured and blessed items that are in a separate container, just as I said.

Read my post, I said the insured or blessed things in a bag have to be moved back. I never said anything moves from your backpack. 

Are you going to deny that all insured and blessed items that you are not wearing will be in your backpack when you res and re equip?  We are saying the same thing.

The OP is correct, you do have to open all your containers and put the insured or blessed items back into them.  (If they were stored in those)

Yoshi said:

"i'm not being funny but,

you insure some stuff and put it in a bag.

you die and the bag is on your corpse,

you get ressed, the insured stuff is in your backpack..

How they going to organise the stuff into the container when you don't have the container....

"

I completely agree. The insured and blessed items are no longer in the bag, or they could be looted.  It seems to be asking a lot for those items to be returned to a container,  I doubt they could do it.  Because when you res, the items are in your backpack. Then you want them to return to a container when you get your body back.  Too complicated and could cause lost items.  Best to stay away from this code.

Pawain said:

Yoshi said:

"i'm not being funny but,

you insure some stuff and put it in a bag.

you die and the bag is on your corpse,

you get ressed, the insured stuff is in your backpack..

How they going to organise the stuff into the container when you don't have the container....

"

I completely agree. The insured and blessed items are no longer in the bag, or they could be looted.  It seems to be asking a lot for those items to be returned to a container,  I doubt they could do it.  Because when you res, the items are in your backpack. Then you want them to return to a container when you get your body back.  Too complicated and could cause lost items.  Best to stay away from this code.

Didn't popps ask for this a few months ago 

Grimbeard said:

Pawain said:

Yoshi said:

"i'm not being funny but,

you insure some stuff and put it in a bag.

you die and the bag is on your corpse,

you get ressed, the insured stuff is in your backpack..

How they going to organise the stuff into the container when you don't have the container....

"

I completely agree. The insured and blessed items are no longer in the bag, or they could be looted.  It seems to be asking a lot for those items to be returned to a container,  I doubt they could do it.  Because when you res, the items are in your backpack. Then you want them to return to a container when you get your body back.  Too complicated and could cause lost items.  Best to stay away from this code.

Didn't popps ask for this a few months ago 

Yes, I sure did and hearing how other players are bothered by this, should hint how annoying it is to get one's own main backpack all messed up upon resurrecting from dieing by blessed and insured items not going back to the inside containers in whch the player was keeping them but all bouncing into the main backpack and thus requiring consequential "relocation" to the inside containers where the player wants to have them rather then cluttering the main backpack....

Bags should be auto insured if it contains insured items. How does it harm the game if containers can be insured? 

Is it a coding issue which is why spellbook straps still don't work as intended?

Seth said:

Bags should be auto insured if it contains insured items. How does it harm the game if containers can be insured? 

Is it a coding issue which is why spellbook straps still don't work as intended?

I agree no more looting. Just put your powerscrolls in a bag with a rune book. It would all be blessed or insured.  😂

Pawain said:

Seth said:

Bags should be auto insured if it contains insured items. How does it harm the game if containers can be insured? 

Is it a coding issue which is why spellbook straps still don't work as intended?

I agree no more looting. Just put your powerscrolls in a bag with a rune book. It would all be blessed or insured.  😂

We already get that for 2 hours a day from the chalice vet reward when it comes to monsters looting.

Pawain said:

Seth said:

Bags should be auto insured if it contains insured items. How does it harm the game if containers can be insured? 

Is it a coding issue which is why spellbook straps still don't work as intended?

I agree no more looting. Just put your powerscrolls in a bag with a rune book. It would all be blessed or insured.  😂

Cursed and uninsured items should continue to drop off regardless of their location. Insured bag does not auto convert non insured items inside it.

Popps wanted an insured container. They gave us the chalice in response 

Pawain said:

Popps wanted an insured container. They gave us the chalice in response 

They are 2 different issues.....

My complaint about moonsters' looting was in regards to the fact that, due to the type of Event, monsters' corpses were made "fast" decay so as not to lag players and to provide a sufficient spawn rate to get drops.

Unfortunately, a side effect of this increased monsters' corpses decay was that, if some of the monsters had looted a player's corpse, chances where that, by the time that the player was able to resurrect and get back to their corpse and the spawn, some other player had already killed the monsters that looted the player's corpse and the fast decay had taken away that monster's corpse with all of the looted items....

Once or twice losing items from monsters' looting and their corpses decaying too fast might be OK, but seeing this too many times gets really annoying....

Thus, the Calice luckily came to UO...

This, to my understanding, is another issue, about dieing and getting one's own insured and blessed items clog the main backpack rather then going back to where they were before dieing...

I like how the EC has a UI scale slider but 1.0 is the max setting. In my entire life I've never seen such a thing. It strictly exists for people who think the standard UI is too large and they specifically made the setting useless for anyone who would like it to be bigger. Baffling.

Also am I losing my marbles or is there no way to change the colors of general/party/whatever chat?

Not sure about EC Options UI but in CC there is a tab for it "Chat". 

Lord_Nythrax said:

I like how the EC has a UI scale slider but 1.0 is the max setting. In my entire life I've never seen such a thing. It strictly exists for people who think the standard UI is too large and they specifically made the setting useless for anyone who would like it to be bigger. Baffling.

Also am I losing my marbles or is there no way to change the colors of general/party/whatever chat?

Thanks!