DEVs make UO consensual PvP only

Make all of UO consensual PvP with the exception of the 2 special shards. This will allow all players to have access to all of UOs lands without fear of getting PKed and those that wish to partake can do so by selecting a I agree to PvP switch. Now everybody that wishes to can PvP to their hearts content anywhere in UO and those that do not want to can go where they please without worry.

Funny enough...I'd support this.

Wouldn't that mean that players could go to Champ Spawns where it's assumed to be a pvp arena, and safely earn a chance at scrolls ? Or are you saying players would have to click an "agree" button to enter felucca ?

No it means all of UO would become consensual PvP, no more Tram/Fel rule set facets.  No matter which facet you are on you will be set yourself to Tram rule set or if you desire Fel Rule set and you will be that rule set on all facets until you change it.  This includes all content in UO no exceptions.

YES I support this %1000

Bad idea
We in fact need it to go the other way for a more healthy sandbox environment.  Give us more content in fel to fight over! 

But with my suggestion you would have all of UO content to fight over.

By entering the red gate you consent

Why is it a bad idea.  Everybody gets to have all UO content and play UO the way they want to.  Don't you want to have more content to fight over with like minded players.

Bilbo said:

YES I support this %1000

You agree with it now? Then why did you disagree with it on the previous thread?
https://forum.uo.com/discussion/55/lets-discuss-and-fix-pvp-for-everyone-now/p1

Mervyn said:

Bilbo said:

YES I support this %1000

You agree with it now? Then why did you disagree with it on the previous thread?
https://forum.uo.com/discussion/55/lets-discuss-and-fix-pvp-for-everyone-now/p1

I disagreed with your suggestion of making another shard not to turning UO into consensual PvP.  There is a big difference between your suggestion and this one and if you can not see that then I am sorry.

So your interpretation of the special shards, would mean that the special shards would still have a trammel?

I think the OP needs to clarify his position.

There are two special shards that have no Tram rule set in UO they are called Siege Perilous and Mugen sorry if you did not know that and those two shards will stay the way they are.  All other shards also known as prodo shards would go to a consensual pvp rule set under my proposal thereby giving all UO content to all UO players to play as they want.  This way no one group gets content added without the other getting it also.  Everybody can go anywhere they want and do whatever content they want.

@Kyronix @Mesanna has this ever been discussed?  Is this something that you would be open to discussing?  It gives the ability to add content anywhere in UO without trying to appease any special group or offend any special group.  Everybody would have access to everything and be able to play UO as they wish.

Siege and mugen do not have insurance.

No. Plenty of people will unsub if you do this

Mervyn said:

Siege and mugen do not have insurance.

You are right, I never said to add insurence to them.  I stated they should remain unchanged, you know stay the way they are.

Give this one a vote for worst idea yet in these forums.

Lets play football but make it so you can only tackle players with even numbered jerseys... what could go wrong....

Outcast said:

No. Plenty of people will unsub if you do this

Why would they unsub?  The PvPers requested more content to fight over and I just gave them all of UO to fight over, where is the problem.

I thought pvp was consensual, last time I checked, every single thing was obtainable in trammel except powerscrolls. 

Lord_Frodo said:

Outcast said:

No. Plenty of people will unsub if you do this

Why would they unsub?  The PvPers requested more content to fight over and I just gave them all of UO to fight over, where is the problem.

No your're giving em less. If Spawns were not in Felucca PvPers would have very little to do.

100% consensual pvp but remove powerscrolls from game all together. If we are going to trash this game let's go all in.

Outcast said:

Lord_Frodo said:

Outcast said:

No. Plenty of people will unsub if you do this

Why would they unsub?  The PvPers requested more content to fight over and I just gave them all of UO to fight over, where is the problem.

No your're giving em less. If Spawns were not in Felucca PvPers would have very little to do.

So how is doing a spawn PvP, I thought that was PvM.  I am giving them all of UO to fight over you know Player v Player like in players that are geared up to fight other players that are geared up the same not geared up to fight a MOB or is that what you consider PvP, a PvPer killing a PvMer.  Are you afraid no one will switch to the Fel rule set so you wont have anybody to kill?

Mervyn said:

I thought pvp was consensual, last time I checked, every single thing was obtainable in trammel except powerscrolls. 

But isn't it you and others asking for more content to fight over, I am giving you all of UO and you are giving Fel, you are getting way more than the tram players are.  We get 1 facet and you get all the others, sounds like we are getting the short end of the stick on this one so please tell us the real reason you are against this.

I could live with this. Consensual pvp everywhere, except for dungeons and spawn areas.

pvp is dead to me now thanks to vvv and the nerfs. have fun

It would not be a game I would want to play. I, like all men, am a hunter, how many prey consent? 

I want a fel only shard with insurance (non transferable) then I’m sure you’ll all be free to roam fel on prodo shards without people like me interfering. 

Urge said:

I could live with this. Consensual pvp everywhere, except for dungeons and spawn areas.

Why not all UO content?  You are getting everything else but yet you still insist on controlling the spawn, now why is that.

The next time you get to mount doom Frodo, jump in the volcano with the ring and let the adults make the decisions.  TYVM

The_Higgs_1 said:

The next time you get to mount doom Frodo, jump in the volcano with the ring and let the adults make the decisions.  TYVM

NP  Understood no viable reason except you want to control the spawn and to afraid to say it and throw childish remarks.

Mervyn said:

It would not be a game I would want to play. I, like all men, am a hunter, how many prey consent? 

I want a fel only shard with insurance (non transferable) then I’m sure you’ll all be free to roam fel on prodo shards without people like me interfering. 

But you would have that on any Prodo shard just as long as others selected to play a Fel rule set and not a Tram rule set or is that what you are afraid of, no one to play with.

Lord_Frodo said:

Urge said:

I could live with this. Consensual pvp everywhere, except for dungeons and spawn areas.

Why not all UO content?  You are getting everything else but yet you still insist on controlling the spawn, now why is that.

I was being sarcastic. To steal a quote from you, I think they should remain unchanged, you know stay the way they are.

Ofcourse, there are enough other games where everyone lives in peace and carebear harmony. 

If I wanted to play in trammel, I can and do on occasion. 

This game is a beautiful game. The dark side is what drives everything. 

Imagine you had a shard with no fel (non transferable). Tell me, how much would a slither be worth? Would it be worth more than 175 mill, or less? 

This world has order and chaos. 

People’s hatred of me is a strong force. 

I really don't like Mervyn, but I'm with him on this one.

There is no good without evil

Lord_Frodo said:

Make all of UO consensual PvP with the exception of the 2 special shards. This will allow all players to have access to all of UOs lands without fear of getting PKed and those that wish to partake can do so by selecting a I agree to PvP switch. Now everybody that wishes to can PvP to their hearts content anywhere in UO and those that do not want to can go where they please without worry.

So long as Fel remained non-consensual then sure
I would even go so far as to say for those with their pvp flag on would qualify to get better drops doing game content than those with the flag off.  

Keep Fel as it is, but give +1,000 Luck bonus if you turn on the Consensual Pvp in any other facet. SURE, i'd be game for that. Let reds into other facets, sure, sounds good. 

Otherwise no, Terrible Idea. Kind of the whole point of spawns and Fel is that players should be prepared to have to pvp. That's the concept, It's like complaining you can't bring a tamer to fight paroxy. "HOW DARE THE DEVS FORCE ME TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY TO DO SPECIFIC CONTENT", Except in this case you could in fact do a spawn on a pvm character, with only the chance of being raided, vs it being impossible to do paroxy on a tamer.   99% of the content of UO is Tram ruleset. 

I'm ok with this idea.

Of course it would mean those who flicked the PvP off switch, should not be allowed any drops of any sort, and be limited to rewards and drops like EJ accounts.

This is the only way for fairness.

Easymode needs to mean easymode, this duel system of rewarding those who take no risk has ruined the game to this point.

I think I have come round to Mervyn's concept of a pure Feluccan shard.

And I represent the opposing side to him in game, but I have to acknowledge where the game has gone wrong, and this would be a great attempt to restart UO from scratch, brand new and shiny, the ones who wanted to, could start again how they believe it should be played - the one's who are happy, can stay in Trammel on their home shards.

Easy mode?  Hiding while someone kills the spawn and the Boss and then killing that player with 2 hits.. That sounds like easy mode to me.

Pawain said:

Easy mode?  Hiding while someone kills the spawn and the Boss and then killing that player with 2 hits.. That sounds like easy mode to me.

So killing another player is easy?  Do me a favor.  Go to yew gate right now and kill someone blue or red (i'll give you the pardon) and then come back and tell me how it easy it was.

Better yet,  get on your best pvp character and hide while your friend does a champ.  When the red comes out kill him.  It's easy right?

And those servants went out into the roads and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good. So the wedding hall was filled with guests.

Matthew 22:10

This is just another thread to try to get powerscrolls with zero danger. People will just turn off the switch or use another character to farm. If anything more content needs to be added to fel. Look at any article ever written about uo and go to the comments section. It receives tons of negative reviews because of the way it's been babied down over the years.

Trammel should have only been areas for small houses a baby town and maybe a couple baby dungeons. All the Trammel content they've added over the years is over farmed and has a very short shelf life. Despite little to no content being added to fel in going on 2 decades spawns are still well used. 

Get rid of vvv and reintroduce chaos and order. Get rid of pardons. PvP in this system should be game wide. I have 2 reds with counts in the thousands and could care less about city buffs. Increase drop rates on any facet for players in chaos and order. The reason no one farms any other content in fel other than champ spawns is it's not feasible with out luck. Luck had trammel in mind not fel.  Having to wear luck in fel makes trying to PvP in it an act of futility in such an item oriented game.

When I started uo there was no trammel. My first real character was a dexer that trained in deciets lich room. It was rough at first but I met like minded players and even gmed resist which in those days was bad ass. People thought twice about attacking characters like these. Now the only content is champs and people use sampires not for loot but to burn thru spawns for drops. These characters are meat in pvp. I just wish the game was more diverse and not so one dimensional now 

Mervyn said:

Ofcourse, there are enough other games where everyone lives in peace and carebear harmony. 

If I wanted to play in trammel, I can and do on occasion. 

This game is a beautiful game. The dark side is what drives everything. 

Imagine you had a shard with no fel (non transferable). Tell me, how much would a slither be worth? Would it be worth more than 175 mill, or less? 

This world has order and chaos. 

People’s hatred of me is a strong force. 

And you would be free to play the dark side all over UO, giving you even more content to do as you please with.

Lieutenant_Dan said:

Lord_Frodo said:

Make all of UO consensual PvP with the exception of the 2 special shards. This will allow all players to have access to all of UOs lands without fear of getting PKed and those that wish to partake can do so by selecting a I agree to PvP switch. Now everybody that wishes to can PvP to their hearts content anywhere in UO and those that do not want to can go where they please without worry.

So long as Fel remained non-consensual then sure
I would even go so far as to say for those with their pvp flag on would qualify to get better drops doing game content than those with the flag off.  

Oh so you want it in current Tram rule set lands but not in current Fel rule set lands, kind of what I would have expected from you.  I want it all but not give anything in return.

King_Greg said:

Keep Fel as it is, but give +1,000 Luck bonus if you turn on the Consensual Pvp in any other facet. SURE, i'd be game for that. Let reds into other facets, sure, sounds good. 

Otherwise no, Terrible Idea. Kind of the whole point of spawns and Fel is that players should be prepared to have to pvp. That's the concept, It's like complaining you can't bring a tamer to fight paroxy. "HOW DARE THE DEVS FORCE ME TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY TO DO SPECIFIC CONTENT", Except in this case you could in fact do a spawn on a pvm character, with only the chance of being raided, vs it being impossible to do paroxy on a tamer.   99% of the content of UO is Tram ruleset. 

So it is only PvP to you if it involves a LURE, it isn't about who is the better like minded person like it was pre PSs.  Every bodies true colors are showing.

Cookie said:

I'm ok with this idea.

Of course it would mean those who flicked the PvP off switch, should not be allowed any drops of any sort, and be limited to rewards and drops like EJ accounts.

This is the only way for fairness.

Easymode needs to mean easymode, this duel system of rewarding those who take no risk has ruined the game to this point.

I think I have come round to Mervyn's concept of a pure Feluccan shard.

And I represent the opposing side to him in game, but I have to acknowledge where the game has gone wrong, and this would be a great attempt to restart UO from scratch, brand new and shiny, the ones who wanted to, could start again how they believe it should be played - the one's who are happy, can stay in Trammel on their home shards.

So you are all for PvPers still controlling content, sorry that is not an option.  They are given all of UO to play on and kill each other all they want.

Lieutenant_Dan said:

Pawain said:

Easy mode?  Hiding while someone kills the spawn and the Boss and then killing that player with 2 hits.. That sounds like easy mode to me.

So killing another player is easy?  Do me a favor.  Go to yew gate right now and kill someone blue or red (i'll give you the pardon) and then come back and tell me how it easy it was.

Better yet,  get on your best pvp character and hide while your friend does a champ.  When the red comes out kill him.  It's easy right?

Aren't those people at Yew Gate set up for PvP but the people doing the spawn are set up for PvM, yep sounds like "easy mode" to me for a PKer.

Dukarlo said:

This is just another thread to try to get powerscrolls with zero danger. People will just turn off the switch or use another character to farm. If anything more content needs to be added to fel. Look at any article ever written about uo and go to the comments section. It receives tons of negative reviews because of the way it's been babied down over the years.

Trammel should have only been areas for small houses a baby town and maybe a couple baby dungeons. All the Trammel content they've added over the years is over farmed and has a very short shelf life. Despite little to no content being added to fel in going on 2 decades spawns are still well used. 

Get rid of vvv and reintroduce chaos and order. Get rid of pardons. PvP in this system should be game wide. I have 2 reds with counts in the thousands and could care less about city buffs. Increase drop rates on any facet for players in chaos and order. The reason no one farms any other content in fel other than champ spawns is it's not feasible with out luck. Luck had trammel in mind not fel.  Having to wear luck in fel makes trying to PvP in it an act of futility in such an item oriented game.

When I started uo there was no trammel. My first real character was a dexer that trained in deciets lich room. It was rough at first but I met like minded players and even gmed resist which in those days was bad ass. People thought twice about attacking characters like these. Now the only content is champs and people use sampires not for loot but to burn thru spawns for drops. These characters are meat in pvp. I just wish the game was more diverse and not so one dimensional now 

And if it is so great then why is Fel so dead.  Tram saved UO or you wouldn't even be here.  Why do you need luck to PvP, luck doesn't work when you kill another player.  It does not receive a ton of neg reviews, those people are just like you posting a bunch of neg. posts about a facet that is deader than the dead shards.

Lord_Frodo said:

Dukarlo said:

This is just another thread to try to get powerscrolls with zero danger. People will just turn off the switch or use another character to farm. If anything more content needs to be added to fel. Look at any article ever written about uo and go to the comments section. It receives tons of negative reviews because of the way it's been babied down over the years.

Trammel should have only been areas for small houses a baby town and maybe a couple baby dungeons. All the Trammel content they've added over the years is over farmed and has a very short shelf life. Despite little to no content being added to fel in going on 2 decades spawns are still well used. 

Get rid of vvv and reintroduce chaos and order. Get rid of pardons. PvP in this system should be game wide. I have 2 reds with counts in the thousands and could care less about city buffs. Increase drop rates on any facet for players in chaos and order. The reason no one farms any other content in fel other than champ spawns is it's not feasible with out luck. Luck had trammel in mind not fel.  Having to wear luck in fel makes trying to PvP in it an act of futility in such an item oriented game.

When I started uo there was no trammel. My first real character was a dexer that trained in deciets lich room. It was rough at first but I met like minded players and even gmed resist which in those days was bad ass. People thought twice about attacking characters like these. Now the only content is champs and people use sampires not for loot but to burn thru spawns for drops. These characters are meat in pvp. I just wish the game was more diverse and not so one dimensional now 

And if it is so great then why is Fel so dead.  Tram saved UO or you wouldn't even be here.  Why do you need luck to PvP, luck doesn't work when you kill another player.  It does not receive a ton of neg reviews, those people are just like you posting a bunch of neg. posts about a facet that is deader than the dead shards.

You sir are a true champion for your cause!
And the number one reason why UO has had declining numbers since LBR

Lord_Frodo said:

Dukarlo said:

This is just another thread to try to get powerscrolls with zero danger. People will just turn off the switch or use another character to farm. If anything more content needs to be added to fel. Look at any article ever written about uo and go to the comments section. It receives tons of negative reviews because of the way it's been babied down over the years.

Trammel should have only been areas for small houses a baby town and maybe a couple baby dungeons. All the Trammel content they've added over the years is over farmed and has a very short shelf life. Despite little to no content being added to fel in going on 2 decades spawns are still well used. 

Get rid of vvv and reintroduce chaos and order. Get rid of pardons. PvP in this system should be game wide. I have 2 reds with counts in the thousands and could care less about city buffs. Increase drop rates on any facet for players in chaos and order. The reason no one farms any other content in fel other than champ spawns is it's not feasible with out luck. Luck had trammel in mind not fel.  Having to wear luck in fel makes trying to PvP in it an act of futility in such an item oriented game.

When I started uo there was no trammel. My first real character was a dexer that trained in deciets lich room. It was rough at first but I met like minded players and even gmed resist which in those days was bad ass. People thought twice about attacking characters like these. Now the only content is champs and people use sampires not for loot but to burn thru spawns for drops. These characters are meat in pvp. I just wish the game was more diverse and not so one dimensional now 

And if it is so great then why is Fel so dead.  Tram saved UO or you wouldn't even be here.  Why do you need luck to PvP, luck doesn't work when you kill another player.  It does not receive a ton of neg reviews, those people are just like you posting a bunch of neg. posts about a facet that is deader 

Fel is only dead in the areas that have been neglected. It Just happens that 99 percent of the land mass is neglected. Nobody wants to kill lizardmen or ratmen nowadays. No-one wants to have to use a luck suit to hunt. 

The whole vvv system is dumb. Uo is either candyland(tram) or a shooter(fel) with nothing in between. It's the in between stuff that made up great and very little of that is left. The reputation system is useless in both facets. Entire classes have been wiped out due to babying the game down. To say trammel saved up us an exaggeration. Most people were on dial up pre ren. Online games in general took off once people had good internet speeds. 

When people reminence about uo no one ever says anything great ever happened in trammel. It's always something pre trammel or later in fel. All trammel does is put massive restraints on what uo could be. If trammel has to exist so be it. It's unfortunate tho that the original facet exists and they have no clue or desire to let it thrive. Why they keep babying fel down is beyond me and just seems like such a wasted opportunity.

Lord_Frodo said:

King_Greg said:

Keep Fel as it is, but give +1,000 Luck bonus if you turn on the Consensual Pvp in any other facet. SURE, i'd be game for that. Let reds into other facets, sure, sounds good. 

Otherwise no, Terrible Idea. Kind of the whole point of spawns and Fel is that players should be prepared to have to pvp. That's the concept, It's like complaining you can't bring a tamer to fight paroxy. "HOW DARE THE DEVS FORCE ME TO PLAY A CERTAIN WAY TO DO SPECIFIC CONTENT", Except in this case you could in fact do a spawn on a pvm character, with only the chance of being raided, vs it being impossible to do paroxy on a tamer.   99% of the content of UO is Tram ruleset. 

So it is only PvP to you if it involves a LURE, it isn't about who is the better like minded person like it was pre PSs.  Every bodies true colors are showing.

You act like Pvp is the only part of the game that needs a LURE to get some players to do the content. 

Take the rewards away from anything in the game and see how long players keep doing it. Ironically I bet you players would still be pvping against one another much longer than players would be doing any pvm content in the game with 0 reward. 

But that's kind of the point. It's Risk vs Reward, you either gear yourself up for pvp, practice, get supplies, and a template you can work with. Or in the case of some players, a large enough group to hold their own. Or roll over and die while complaining that it wasn't consensual in a literal pvp zone.  

I prefer to target the vulnerable.

If someone decides to fight me without running, it’s no fun when they die. 

Plus I don’t get given any murder counts when I kill oranges. 

  Mervyn said:

I prefer to target the vulnerable.

If someone decides to fight me without running, it’s no fun when they die. 

Plus I don’t get given any murder counts when I kill oranges. 

And you wonder why I cast you in the "Evil" role ? 🙁

I prefer to target you, and all evildoers. 😂

I would like a server that was Fel everywhere but didn't have the other Siege rules

  Augustus said:

I would like a server that was Fel everywhere but didn't have the other Siege rules

I've put a poll up for this on Stratics - feel free to go and vote for it. 🙂

https://stratics.com/threads/felucca-only-shard.398848/

And you Mervyn, I'm helping you out here!

Cookie said:

  Augustus said:

I would like a server that was Fel everywhere but didn't have the other Siege rules

I've put a poll up for this on Stratics - feel free to go and vote for it. 🙂

https://stratics.com/threads/felucca-only-shard.398848/

And you Mervyn, I'm helping you out here!

I'll put my vote in. I think with EJ happening it might actually get players nowadays

Augustus said:

Cookie said:

  Augustus said:

I would like a server that was Fel everywhere but didn't have the other Siege rules

I've put a poll up for this on Stratics - feel free to go and vote for it. 🙂

https://stratics.com/threads/felucca-only-shard.398848/

And you Mervyn, I'm helping you out here!

I'll put my vote in. I think with EJ happening it might actually get players nowadays

Yep, agreed. People coming with EJ are often coming for the pure unadulterated version of UO, that's what it is all about. They are also starting afresh, as would everyone be, so they would be in exactly the same place, or at least have an equal shot.

If you want consensual pvp then go box irl.  This is a video game, its not real.  Worst idea in the history of video games.  The people who pvp and pvm are the only people who keep this game alive.  Without us this game would perish inside a year, that's why this idea is a joke.

Cookie said:

  Augustus said:

I would like a server that was Fel everywhere but didn't have the other Siege rules

I've put a poll up for this on Stratics - feel free to go and vote for it. 🙂

https://stratics.com/threads/felucca-only-shard.398848/

And you Mervyn, I'm helping you out here!

Contrary to popular belief, when I find and report exploits. I’m not doing it to troll the abusers of exploits, or for self gain. What I do is for the good of the game. When I want them to make a fel shard, it’s not to waste 5 mins of the dev’s time. It’s to bring in more people. 

But yes I must confess I would play it also, I would like to play a blacksmith miner again. A new beginning to an endless journey. 

 Mervyn said:

Cookie said:

I've put a poll up for this on Stratics - feel free to go and vote for it. 🙂

https://stratics.com/threads/felucca-only-shard.398848/

And you Mervyn, I'm helping you out here!

Contrary to popular belief, when I find and report exploits. I’m not doing it to troll the abusers of exploits, or for self gain. What I do is for the good of the game. When I want them to make a fel shard, it’s not to waste 5 mins of the dev’s time. It’s to bring in more people. 

But yes I must confess I would play it also, I would like to play a blacksmith miner again. A new beginning to an endless journey. 

I know, I get your playstyle.

No need for us to squabble today, go and make this happen on Stratics. 🙂

It would actually be pretty exciting wouldn't it?

Wow, just shoot UO in the head and be done with it. Trammel was a terrible idea in the first place. 

Augustus said:

I would like a server that was Fel everywhere but didn't have the other Siege rules

"So would we"...most Siege players.

Ahh, a debate raging since Tram started! 🙂
Tram exists because PVPers made the game so miserable for everyone else,  something had to be done.  Newbie whacking became sport. Involuntary prey  Mervyn summed it up.  It seems to me that PVPers who want a challenge can fight each other anytime.  But I think for many, they just want to pwn someone, the easier they can pwn them the better.  Going to Fel is the same as consenting to PVP isn't it?  So, all those who want to be prey can volunteer to do so in Fel.  If you have a lack of targets, that is your problem  Don't make someone be prey for you simply because that is what you like

Honkwomp said:

Ahh, a debate raging since Tram started! 🙂
Tram exists because PVPers made the game so miserable for everyone else,  something had to be done.  Newbie whacking became sport. Involuntary prey  Mervyn summed it up.  It seems to me that PVPers who want a challenge can fight each other anytime.  But I think for many, they just want to pwn someone, the easier they can pwn them the better.  Going to Fel is the same as consenting to PVP isn't it?  So, all those who want to be prey can volunteer to do so in Fel.  If you have a lack of targets, that is your problem  Don't make someone be prey for you simply because that is what you like

Exactly.  

Syncros said:

Honkwomp said:

Ahh, a debate raging since Tram started! 🙂
Tram exists because PVPers made the game so miserable for everyone else,  something had to be done.  Newbie whacking became sport. Involuntary prey  Mervyn summed it up.  It seems to me that PVPers who want a challenge can fight each other anytime.  But I think for many, they just want to pwn someone, the easier they can pwn them the better.  Going to Fel is the same as consenting to PVP isn't it?  So, all those who want to be prey can volunteer to do so in Fel.  If you have a lack of targets, that is your problem  Don't make someone be prey for you simply because that is what you like

Exactly.  

Yep that sums it up.

The taming update has drastically increased the demand for power scrolls while the supply remained locked down by PvPers, as it has been for years. This pretty much killed off much of the good that the taming update brought. Just under a year ago in a similar discussion, PvPers were all saying that the prices will drop. And here we are, the prices hardly budged.
Having to spend 100+ million to scroll a pet is obscene and drastically decreases available content. Tamers quit taming because they can't afford it. And when they quit taming, they start looking for entertainment outside of UO. And just wait till all these returning players that are coming off ot EJ discover how much it will cost to scroll their characters. That will sure help retention.
The situation where a tiny minority has a monopoly on a vital resource is horrible for the population of this game and needs to be fixed. The easiest way is to make Power Scrolls available in Trammel. 

Tamers quit taming because they can’t afford it? 

When I’m not killing blues, I play a tamer and although I have 120 powerscrolls and enough gold to 120 all of my pets, I don’t because I don’t need to. I just 110 or 115 them (for free) and sell the 120s to those vain enough to buy.

Mervyn said:

Tamers quit taming because they can’t afford it? 

When I’m not killing blues, I play a tamer and although I have 120 powerscrolls and enough gold to 120 all of my pets, I don’t because I don’t need to. I just 110 or 115 them (for free) and sell the 120s to those vain enough to buy.

You don't need to. Other's do. Many tamers' gameplay consists of trying to put together a best pet for whatever task is required. This occupies a lot of tamers' time. I assume, this is the ultimate goal behind every publish - to occupy players' time. Are 115s good enough? Yes. But then there is no reason to tame other pets to try to improve this. You might as well play with your old GDs, because it's also good enough. And people stop taming, and potentially playing.

Lord_Frodo said:

@ Kyronix @ Mesanna has this ever been discussed?  Is this something that you would be open to discussing?  It gives the ability to add content anywhere in UO without trying to appease any special group or offend any special group.  Everybody would have access to everything and be able to play UO as they wish.

Just so I'm understanding correctly - your suggestion is to remove Felucca as a rulset from all shards (except Siege & Mugen). Everyone is then presented with an opt-in for open PvP across all facets?

 This is basically how VvV works, We were apprehensive about allowing VvV in Trammel-rulsesets and ultimately decided against it after weighing the pros and cons. Your suggestion presents a similar, if not more expansive, list of concerns that make this type of change very unlikely.  I do however appreciate your contribution and furthering of the discussion!  That's what forums are for! 🙂

I really don't know why people complain about powerscrolls, it literally takes no time to get them, viddy:
http://sendvid.com/fh28txso

Mervyn said:

I really don't know why people complain about powerscrolls, it literally takes no time to get them, viddy:
http://sendvid.com/fh28txso

Then why do you and others panic at the suggestion they be made available off of Fel?

Kyronix said:

Just so I'm understanding correctly - your suggestion is to remove Felucca as a rulset from all shards (except Siege & Mugen). Everyone is then presented with an opt-in for open PvP across all facets? 

 This is basically how VvV works, We were apprehensive about allowing VvV in Trammel-rulsesets and ultimately decided against it after weighing the pros and cons. Your suggestion presents a similar, if not more expansive, list of concerns that make this type of change very unlikely.  I do however appreciate your contribution and furthering of the discussion!  That's what forums are for! 🙂

Limiting VvV to Felucca is a mistake, especially for those that want to PvP.  If the Major towns or even all Trammel ruleset towns were made a no pvp zone then there would be no issue,  Just make it so players cant heal/res VvV in Tram rulesets.  

Tim said:

Mervyn said:

I really don't know why people complain about powerscrolls, it literally takes no time to get them, viddy:
http://sendvid.com/fh28txso

Then why do you and others panic at the suggestion they be made available off of Fel?

Because 1, the powerscrolls would be worthless, not even worth the 2 mins it takes to get them, and 2, nobody would then ever come to fel. It's the whole risk/reward.

Mervyn said:

Tim said:

Mervyn said:

I really don't know why people complain about powerscrolls, it literally takes no time to get them, viddy:
http://sendvid.com/fh28txso

Then why do you and others panic at the suggestion they be made available off of Fel?

Because 1, the powerscrolls would be worthless, not even worth the 2 mins it takes to get them, and 2, nobody would then ever come to fel. It's the whole risk/reward.

That's funny. Shadowguard is not in Fel and yet, cameos are pretty expensive. Why would scrolls be any different? 
And I thought the PvPers PvPed because they love PvP so much. That it has nothing to do with gold they are raking in from the PS monopoly. An yet, you are saying that Fel would be dead without powerscrolls? In that case, maybe it should be dead.

I don’t pvp because I love pvp. I like playing the game as a whole and pvp is the best part of that. 
But men don’t get into fights in bars for no reason, there’s normally a girl involved. 

See how many people do shadowguard if you got no loot, no gold, and no drops at the end. 

Mervyn said:

I don’t pvp because I love pvp. I like playing the game as a whole and pvp is the best part of that. 
But men don’t get into fights in bars for no reason, there’s normally a girl involved. 

See how many people do shadowguard if you got no loot, no gold, and no drops at the end. 

I take it your statement about PSs becoming worthless if they are introduced in Trammel is off the table?

So you are saying that people PvP just for Powerscrolls, not for PvP itself. did I get that right? In that case, you should lose nothing if you could get powerscrolls without PvP.

Tim said:

Mervyn said:

I really don't know why people complain about powerscrolls, it literally takes no time to get them, viddy:
http://sendvid.com/fh28txso

Then why do you and others panic at the suggestion they be made available off of Fel?

Isn't it funny how all these "PvPers" say they love to PvP but they need PSs in order to do it, now why is that.

Bilbo said:

Isn't it funny how all these "PvPers" say they love to PvP but they need PSs in order to do it, now why is that.

Sliss said:

So you are saying that people PvP just for Powerscrolls, not for PvP itself. did I get that right? In that case, you should lose nothing if you could get powerscrolls without PvP.

drcossack said:

Bilbo said:

Isn't it funny how all these "PvPers" say they love to PvP but they need PSs in order to do it, now why is that.

Aww, another misinformed pvm'er, as usual.  Isn't it funny how pvp'ers will fight in the following:

1) Towns (on occasion)

2) Open field areas like yew gate

3) Spawns

But you seem to think we ONLY fight over PS's.  Do you really think we NEED scrolls to fight over?  We don't.  This has been established ad nauseum.  But don't delude yourself into thinking that doesn't mean we WILL fight over them if the opportunity presents itself.  Because we will...and have been doing so for well over a decade.

Let me turn it back on you for a minute.  Isn't it funny how all these PvM'ers, who, by their own admission, DO NOT pvp (or go to Fel at all) think they have the right to dictate what should go on there?  Or presume to tell us what the mindset of a pvp'er is?  The pvp'ers don't go into pvm or other non-pvp threads and try to change things to their liking.  Why do you feel the need to do that to us?

LMAO You won't even admit the truth and as you say PSs are don't tied into PvP then why do all you PvPers keep saying without them PvP would die.  You can scream the sky isn't blue but we all know the truth and it is so funny listening to all the PvPers trying to tell us it isn't so.  Keep posting because it is good to get a good laugh now and then.  You guys are starting to sound like my grandkids when they get caught in the act of doing something wrong.  The only way PvP still exists is because PSs, you have to have a lure to do something in the game you swear is so much fun, PRICELESS.

Bilbo said:

LMAO You won't even admit the truth and as you say PSs are don't tied into PvP then why do all you PvPers keep saying without them PvP would die.  You can scream the sky isn't blue but we all know the truth and it is so funny listening to all the PvPers trying to tell us it isn't so.  Keep posting because it is good to get a good laugh now and then.  You guys are starting to sound like my grandkids when they get caught in the act of doing something wrong.  The only way PvP still exists is because PSs, you have to have a lure to do something in the game you swear is so much fun, PRICELESS.

drcossack said:

Bilbo said:

LMAO You won't even admit the truth and as you say PSs are don't tied into PvP then why do all you PvPers keep saying without them PvP would die.  You can scream the sky isn't blue but we all know the truth and it is so funny listening to all the PvPers trying to tell us it isn't so.  Keep posting because it is good to get a good laugh now and then.  You guys are starting to sound like my grandkids when they get caught in the act of doing something wrong.  The only way PvP still exists is because PSs, you have to have a lure to do something in the game you swear is so much fun, PRICELESS.

What truth won't I admit?  I would think my logic is pretty easy to understand.  You just choose not to so you can continue trolling.  We're done here.

Logic now that is funny but I guess in your UO it is the truth.  PvP is dead without lures, that is a fact.  The only PvP you have is raiding spawns, towns and yew gate what once in a blue moon but you go ahead and keep believing while the rest of us know the real truth and not this make believe stuff you come up with and oh by the way if PvP was so great what happened to the Arena System what not enough lures there to get the so called PvPers to come.  If you truely believed PvP was so great then it would not matter if UO had a switch to consent to PvP anywhere in UO but we all know that what maybe the 6 people here with their long winded logic posts would be the only ones to set it to on.  Why is SP not over run with all you hard core PvPers oh that is right you need you insurance and your ubber gear to fight PvMers.

Bilbo said:

Logic now that is funny but I guess in your UO it is the truth.  PvP is dead without lures, that is a fact.  The only PvP you have is raiding spawns, towns and yew gate what once in a blue moon but you go ahead and keep believing while the rest of us know the real truth and not this make believe stuff you come up with and oh by the way if PvP was so great what happened to the Arena System what not enough lures there to get the so called PvPers to come.  If you truely believed PvP was so great then it would not matter if UO had a switch to consent to PvP anywhere in UO but we all know that what maybe the 6 people here with their long winded logic posts would be the only ones to set it to on.  Why is SP not over run with all you hard core PvPers oh that is right you need you insurance and your ubber gear to fight PvMers.

Maybe when the fel shard goes live, they should also make a trammel only shard, then we can see which one lures in more new players. 

I’d be fine if they made a non transferable trammel shard. To sandbox in some of the above players. Although I’m not sure how much they would enjoy playing a game where every item is completely worthless,  but render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.

Many guilds do despise not for powerscrolls, they do it for action, they want to get raided. People pop harrowers not because they want the stat scrolls, people pop a harrower because “let the games begin” 

I remember not long ago someone popped a harrower and it was in fire, our guild grouped up and went to fire the back entrance. (Cos the front door was heavily fielded) We went to go through dragon turtle fel to the teleporter to take us to the desert. And when we were passing through it, the dragon turtle was actually spawned (nobody was doing it, they had popped the boss and couldn’t kill the boss so left it) so there we were 8 or so of us, free dragon turtle boss which in fel drops legendaries. And we all ran past it cos we wanted to go for the fight. And we didn’t even win the harrower. 
(I might even have a video, I’ll have a browse later)

Mervyn said:

Maybe when the fel shard goes live, they should also make a trammel only shard, then we can see which one lures in more new players. 

I’d be fine if they made a non transferable trammel shard. To sandbox in some of the above players. Although I’m not sure how much they would enjoy playing a game where every item is completely worthless,  but render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.

Trammel only shard with access to PS I'm there. If only so I don't have to see the juvenile PVP trash talk on general chat.

As for which one ends up with more players I've pointed out before content goes to were BS knows the players are.

PS we really need to come up with a new short hand for Broad Sword. BS just seems wrong 

Tim said:

As for which one ends up with more players I've pointed out before content goes to were BS knows the players are.

drcossack said:

Tim said:

As for which one ends up with more players I've pointed out before content goes to were BS knows the players are.

I can cover every pixel of the Trammel ruleset (other than instanced bosses) and I can tell you exactly where I'll find players.  For all of the content they've been given, the Trammel players don't even do 5% of it.

I can do the same at a few places in Fel, and I will find more players there.

More content = more spread out.
After 18 years I probably have only done 60% of the content the rest I haven't found or doesn't interest me. I don't know a player who doesn't have his/her preferred aria were they can usually be found.

Do you regularly go do the quests in new Haven? Almost all the content for New players is in Trammel. If you're playing Fel for PVP you go to were you know the other PVPs are. (or can find some PVMer victim)

BS know what servers players are spending their time on.

Tim said:

More content = more spread out.
After 18 years I probably have only done 60% of the content the rest I haven't found or doesn't interest me. I don't know a player who doesn't have his/her preferred aria were they can usually be found.

Do you regularly go do the quests in new Haven? Almost all the content for New players is in Trammel. If you're playing Fel for PVP you go to were you know the other PVPs are. (or can find some PVMer victim)

BS know what servers players are spending their time on.

Tim said:

Mervyn said:

Maybe when the fel shard goes live, they should also make a trammel only shard, then we can see which one lures in more new players. 

I’d be fine if they made a non transferable trammel shard. To sandbox in some of the above players. Although I’m not sure how much they would enjoy playing a game where every item is completely worthless,  but render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.

Trammel only shard with access to PS I'm there. If only so I don't have to see the juvenile PVP trash talk on general chat.

I think you’d be pretty annoyed if you spent 20 mins plus doing a champ and someone turned up on 2 accounts and took 4 out of the 6 scrolls by hitting the boss. Plus all items and scrolls would be worth very little, so you’d feel very little reward. Mind you, on Europa, people do the trammel champs for “fun”, whatever floats your boat. 

Kryonix, how about adding some meaningful fel content. I'm not talking something that is identical to trammel. Champ spawns were added 15 plus years ago and are well used. Other than that nothing unique and worthwhile has been added. Also it shouldn't be something you need a luck suit in order to get get good loot. Players doing fel content shouldn't  be at a huge disadvantage gear wise when it comes time for a fight. Also fel hotspots for thieves would be nice. I'm not asking to steal people 400 mill armor pieces but it would be nice to have spot where thieves can do well stealing dungeon loot from players as well as stealables that are common and needed as resources in those hot spots. 90 percent of the game is geared towards towards tramnel. Throw fel a legit bone please. Trammel has been catered to for far to long. Please bring back some actual uo and not baby land online

They don’t need to add content to fel, if they make a fel shard, 100% of content will be fel, and it won’t annoy any existing player, and will bring in more new players.

Mervyn said:

Tim said:

Mervyn said:

Maybe when the fel shard goes live, they should also make a trammel only shard, then we can see which one lures in more new players. 

I’d be fine if they made a non transferable trammel shard. To sandbox in some of the above players. Although I’m not sure how much they would enjoy playing a game where every item is completely worthless,  but render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s.

Trammel only shard with access to PS I'm there. If only so I don't have to see the juvenile PVP trash talk on general chat.

I think you’d be pretty annoyed if you spent 20 mins plus doing a champ and someone turned up on 2 accounts and took 4 out of the 6 scrolls by hitting the boss. Plus all items and scrolls would be worth very little, so you’d feel very little reward. Mind you, on Europa, people do the trammel champs for “fun”, whatever floats your boat. 

Really wouldn't care, I don't judge my game experience by how someone else is doing. Thats probably why PVP has no interest to me. Also as I understand it your odds of getting something is partially based on how long you are in the fight. Showing up just for the last half of the boss wouldn't give you much.

But regardless I wouldn't spend 20 mins doing a champ just to get something if I didn't enjoy doing the champ. I'd just go do a champ I did enjoy and probably get the same items or something I could trade for what I wanted.

Mervyn said:

They don’t need to add content to fel, if they make a fel shard, 100% of content will be fel, and it won’t annoy any existing player, and will bring in more new players.