Town Buff's and Red's in Trammel - GM / Mesanna different answers!

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 14:46 #0

So there is a way to bring the Reds to Trammel and get a town buff.
This way was showed to Mesanna few times and She said that there is Nothing wrong with that and GM's should NOT act against that. But some GM's are still acting up on it and some of them even removing the city loyalty from the player.

But this is very annoying, because you have @Mesanna telling players that this is NOT illegal and GM's should NOT act on the matter and yet you have GM's doing?

Picture below, is the RED toon in Trammel and Mesanna talking to him about/

McDougle 2022-03-18 14:49 #1

Reds in tram an exploit and they should be deleted according to some players logic..

Yoshi 2022-03-18 14:52 #2

"I posted the bug descibing how its done, and it got removed from the forum. (Just tested, still works)

So if it is legal then the left hand isn't talking to the right hand,

I guess then it's okay to do the +15 skill trick"

McDougle 2022-03-18 14:54 #3

I would suggest that fel towns should have governors as well..

Lord_Frodo 2022-03-18 14:55 #4

So if it is LEGAL then post how to do it. @Mesanna @Kyronix @Bleak

AmberWitch 2022-03-18 15:13 #5

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.

Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.

.

McDougle 2022-03-18 15:23 #6

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

I see two characters but no names that made me suspicious

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 15:23 #7

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

IT is a Real Picture and yes @Mesanna said it is NOT illegal and she even mentioned that she see no problem with Reds in Tram or Malas, since they cant kill anyone anyway.

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 15:29 #8

McDougle said:

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

I see two characters but no names that made me suspicious

Why I would lie about and tag @Mesanna if those were not real, she came ingame to talk , because the GM was harassing the player and after she said that was NOT illegal, that her next step was to tell the GM's to leave people alone that are using this to get their Town bonus

McDougle 2022-03-18 15:31 #9

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

McDougle said:

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

I see two characters but no names that made me suspicious

Why I would lie about and tag @ Mesanna if those were not real, she came ingame to talk , because the GM was harassing the player and after she said that was NOT illegal, that her next step was to tell the GM's to leave people alone that are using this to get their Town bonus

Why would she decide that one exploit is ok while deleting people's homes over another? @Mesanna

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 15:38 #10

you want to dispute that, create another topic with Trinsic House Issue, this is about the Red's.

I personally dont think the Trinsic houses was an exploit , since the area was open to anyone to plot, since day 1 of trinsic, Players are the ones that use the steps of the house and made house private to block people from crossing. but this was never an exploit.

but the topic here is regarding Reds on tram and malas, if they make this public, will not change your gameplay at all, Reds cant kill anyone in tram and malas anyway, so why the cry about?

McDougle 2022-03-18 15:41 #11

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

you want to dispute that, create another topic with Trinsic House Issue, this is about the Red's.

I personally dont think the Trinsic houses was an exploit , since the area was open to anyone to plot, since day 1 of trinsic, Players are the ones that use the steps of the house and made house private to block people from crossing. but this was never an exploit.

but the topic here is regarding Reds on tram and malas, if they make this public, will not change your gameplay at all, Reds cant kill anyone in tram and malas anyway, so why the cry about?

This is about an exploit your claim is @Mesanna has decided is in fact legal. the fact that it is about reds is irrelevant.

Lord_Frodo 2022-03-18 15:46 #12

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

IT is a Real Picture and yes @ Mesanna said it is NOT illegal and she even mentioned that she see no problem with Reds in Tram or Malas, since they cant kill anyone anyway.

Then post how to do it if it is legal.

Lord_Frodo 2022-03-18 15:54 #13

McDougle said:

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

McDougle said:

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

I see two characters but no names that made me suspicious

Why I would lie about and tag @ Mesanna if those were not real, she came ingame to talk , because the GM was harassing the player and after she said that was NOT illegal, that her next step was to tell the GM's to leave people alone that are using this to get their Town bonus

Why would she decide that one exploit is ok while deleting people's homes over another? @ Mesanna

The picture is a fake. That is someone wearing white paint, that is not the dark lady @Mesanna

Pawain 2022-03-18 16:01 #14

Lord_Frodo said:

McDougle said:

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

McDougle said:

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

I see two characters but no names that made me suspicious

Why I would lie about and tag @ Mesanna if those were not real, she came ingame to talk , because the GM was harassing the player and after she said that was NOT illegal, that her next step was to tell the GM's to leave people alone that are using this to get their Town bonus

Why would she decide that one exploit is ok while deleting people's homes over another? @ Mesanna

The picture is a fake. That is someone wearing white paint, that is not the dark lady @ Mesanna

The picture is more than a year old. That is what she wore at that time. Now she wears black.

You look at Larissa s old meet and greet pics.

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 16:05 #15

Pawain said:

Lord_Frodo said:

McDougle said:

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

McDougle said:

AmberWitch said:

If the photo above is a photo that is actually addressing what the OP says it is then there's an issue.
Stuff like this was happening years ago and we were told it was stopped as McDougle stated above it was an exploit. Everyone, even those using it knew this.
.

I see two characters but no names that made me suspicious

Why I would lie about and tag @ Mesanna if those were not real, she came ingame to talk , because the GM was harassing the player and after she said that was NOT illegal, that her next step was to tell the GM's to leave people alone that are using this to get their Town bonus

Why would she decide that one exploit is ok while deleting people's homes over another? @ Mesanna

The picture is a fake. That is someone wearing white paint, that is not the dark lady @ Mesanna

The picture is more than a year old. That is what she wore at that time. Now she wears black.

You look at Larissa s old meet and greet pics.

you guys are so funny!
it is not fake and as you know , she use different outfit on each shard

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 16:07 #16

and yes that picture is 1 year old, it is in fact when she spoke about.

McDougle 2022-03-18 16:10 #17

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

and yes that picture is 1 year old, it is in fact when she spoke about.

Easy enough I'm sure @Mesanna will have no problem chiming in if it's true

AmberWitch 2022-03-18 16:25 #18

Because an exploit is just that, an exploit. If one exploit has a blind eye turned to it then the value of this game no longer holds. I pay my $10 a month per account premised on good faith that there's some kind of mutual integrity between Broadsword and me. Broadsword expects the players to hold to those standards and I expect the same.

So I automatically have to question that the photo is addressing what you say it is. Proof please.

Pawain 2022-03-18 17:17 #19

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

and yes that picture is 1 year old, it is in fact when she spoke about.

Yup Feb '21 she was wearing this:

AmberWitch said:

Because an exploit is just that, an exploit. If one exploit has a blind eye turned to it then the value of this game no longer holds. I pay my $10 a month per account premised on good faith that there's some kind of mutual integrity between Broadsword and me. Broadsword expects the players to hold to those standards and I expect the same.

So I automatically have to question that the photo is addressing what you say it is. Proof please.

Unless he kept the chat log, we will have to trust him about the contents of that year old conversation.

McDougle 2022-03-18 17:20 #20

Pawain said:

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj said:

and yes that picture is 1 year old, it is in fact when she spoke about.

Yup Feb '21 she was wearing this:

AmberWitch said:

Because an exploit is just that, an exploit. If one exploit has a blind eye turned to it then the value of this game no longer holds. I pay my $10 a month per account premised on good faith that there's some kind of mutual integrity between Broadsword and me. Broadsword expects the players to hold to those standards and I expect the same.

So I automatically have to question that the photo is addressing what you say it is. Proof please.

Unless he kept the chat log, we will have to trust him about the contents of that year old conversation.

Or @Mesanna could clear it up...

Pawain 2022-03-18 17:26 #21

She is the Queen and can do or say what she wants and has no reason to come here and justify herself to a pleb. I would say that she said that, Not the most professional thing to do, but it would follow her leadership style.

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 17:27 #22

I asked @Mariah and @Rorschach to step in and confirm, I also sent an email to @Mesanna, we know she dont post on the forums, but @Mariah can ask her about

Yoshi 2022-03-18 17:42 #23

"What's the urgency?

This has been going on for several years"

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 17:53 #24

Yoshi said:

"What's the urgency?
This has been going on for several years"

The urgency is about that Mesanna said that GM's would not bother the players anymore regarding that matter and some specific GM are still doing and even removing the city loyalty.

Mesanna 2022-03-18 18:00 #25

Hello Everyone,

Yes a player showed us how this is done, and yes we will fix this but until it is fixed we are NOT going to action or do anything to players that use this exploit for now. If a GM comes to you they will ask you the steps but this is only to insure we have all ways this is being achieved. Once again I have told the GM;s to not action accounts or delete any buffs, I do not feel its fair to slap the hands of the Reds going to Tram when we have not fixed it yet.

Keep in mind after this is fixed we will at that point action any reds in Tram.

Thanks guys hope this helps clear up any confusion.

Mesanna

Yoshi 2022-03-18 18:04 #26

"That is fair enough,

i went to tram on red originally completely by accident, i can't be the only one"

htgfjgfjgfjgfhjgfhj 2022-03-18 18:05 #27

Thank You for letting us know!

@McDougle and @AmberWitch ; as you can see, I was not lying about! and the picture was NOT fake as you all assumed.

McDougle 2022-03-18 18:09 #28

Mesanna said:

Hello Everyone,

Yes a player showed us how this is done, and yes we will fix this but until it is fixed we are NOT going to action or do anything to players that use this exploit for now. If a GM comes to you they will ask you the steps but this is only to insure we have all ways this is being achieved. Once again I have told the GM;s to not action accounts or delete any buffs, I do not feel its fair to slap the hands of the Reds going to Tram when we have not fixed it yet.

Keep in mind after this is fixed we will at that point action any reds in Tram.

Thanks guys hope this helps clear up any confusion.

Mesanna

Thank you for clarifying

LOL 2022-03-18 18:21 #29

I do not feel its fair to slap the hands of the Reds going to Tram when we have not fixed it yet.

I dont see any problem with reds running around malas and tram, not that they can kill anyone anyway.

Lord_Frodo 2022-03-18 18:34 #30

So she said it was ok so how is it done.

Mariah 2022-03-18 18:45 #31

Lord_Frodo said:

So she said it was ok so how is it done.

I don't think we'll have that made public, thank you. It is an exploit and exploits should not be discussed on this board, even acknowledged ones that are on a list for being fixed.

gay 2022-03-18 18:49 #32

Mesanna said:

Hello Everyone,

Yes a player showed us how this is done, and yes we will fix this but until it is fixed we are NOT going to action or do anything to players that use this exploit for now. If a GM comes to you they will ask you the steps but this is only to insure we have all ways this is being achieved. Once again I have told the GM;s to not action accounts or delete any buffs, I do not feel its fair to slap the hands of the Reds going to Tram when we have not fixed it yet.

Keep in mind after this is fixed we will at that point action any reds in Tram.

Thanks guys hope this helps clear up any confusion.

Mesanna

Why not just give reds access to all facets? The concept of villainizing characters as murderers by restricting their access to the game is a bygone concept, there is nothing inherently wrong with opening the rest of the facets up to those characters given that they are still constricted to the ruleset of the facet. For those who don't know that means: A red in a trammel ruleset facet cannot simply be attacked by another player on the premise that they are red, since they are players they inherit the same default protection as any other player to not being attacked which is the baseline of non-consensual player combat for the trammel ruleset. And vice versa, a red player cannot magically just attack anyone in trammel, because trammel ruleset.

The game is too small to still be so restrictive, there are plenty of players who prefer to play the red character they've played for multiple decades now, who might also appreciate interacting with players outside of felucca with that persona. Not to mention the lore aspect of the Lands being ruled by Lord Blackthorne now and not Lord British, and Blackthorne's general acceptance of those who didn't fall in line with ways of Order.

At the very least, it's just the simpler solution.

tldr: blah blah blah eat a forged pardon /s

Arroth_Thaiel 2022-03-18 18:52 #33

No, murderers are societal outcasts. They shouldn't even be allowed in towns. Insta-death from a guards heavy x-bow.

GUARDS!

McDougle 2022-03-18 18:57 #34

Do a way with the color system it never worked and is obsolete

Mariah 2022-03-18 19:11 #35

Locking

Town Buff's and Red's in Trammel - GM / Mesanna different answers!

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