Obviously multiboxing quests, LOL.

Hard to even get them all CTRL+Shift object handles runs out there are so many of them and their pack horses. NOT CHEATING THOUGH, obvious multiboxing is obvious. @Mesanna you are awful, please resign.

But are they mounted 

Grimbeard said:

But are they mounted 

I've got a bottle of wine and some chocolates, I'll you know how it goes . . .

I saw this myself last night. I logged 2 hours after this was posted and said players were still going full steam. 

As of 7am the saw factory is starting up. 

It makes me wonder what they found out or know what change is coming to be harvesting that many saws. Heartwood was completely dead for years. Why the sudden factory now? Can EJ accounts get saws?

I'm also seeing an uptick with the old style overseas gold farmers as well. 

“I suspect they’re doing them for ash runic saws

guessing it’s just a lot easier to script to make stools than somehow script BODs

are they going out and lumberjacking wood too?
if not, there is a cost involved in purchasing wood”

Urge said:

I saw this myself last night. I logged 2 hours after this was posted and said players were still going full steam. 

As of 7am the saw factory is starting up. 

It makes me wonder what they found out or know what change is coming to be harvesting that many saws. Heartwood was completely dead for years. Why the sudden factory now? Can EJ accounts get saws?

I'm also seeing an uptick with the old style overseas gold farmers as well. 

It's honestly a mystery... I'm right there with you and I don't get it either, why now? Lol. 

I didn't think EJs could do these quests repetitively but according to THIS ARTICLE they can? I know old 'trial' accounts couldn't run quests over and over, but maybe they changed that for EJs? Seems like an easy enough fix if they are EJs, I'll give it a try later after work. Man, if this is the case, EJs were a mistake.

I now notice they are only there at certain times of the day. They apparently know the entire GM schedule as whenever I page on them I don't get a reply for 12+ hours later. That or they're in cahoots with the GMs.

username said: They apparently know the entire GM schedule as whenever I page on them I don't get a reply for 12+ hours later. 

Yep, this is exactly what it is. They know the GM schedule when they work/don't work. Received a canned email response from a GM this morning, shortly after they logged off. And tonight once again paged on them as soon as they showed upand I won't get an email response till the next morning.

SAD

I have informed Mesanna of this. In years ago during the ToTs they put GM support 24/7 cause of how much they were cheated, perhaps she will do the same.

I got a couple of nice talismans (including a vermin slayer) and about 10k cleanup points off of them today. not a bad haul.

Why not have a reputation system in game based on accuracy of reports? Obviously people who just try to report every player like a rodent would have <1% accuracy and they would mean nothing. Alternatively when players with brains make reports and have accuracy of >80%, they would warrant investigation. 

Also - I am pretty sure the GMs do not actually play the game and might not even speak english as a first language, so when you report this as "multiboxing" when it is clearly "unattended scripting" - You not knowing the difference might make your reports less effective. 

Sylas_Stormguard said:

so when you report this as "multiboxing" when it is clearly "unattended scripting" - You not knowing the difference might make your reports less effective. 

“If a child phone 911 and say a man came in door and took some stuff. The police will not charge the guy cos the caller never mentioned the word ‘burglary’? Not up to players to understand the technical terms of the mal actors”

The last time I reported anyone I simply said 'this person appears to be issuing commands to his pet while a ghost, please investigate'.

In this one I might have said 'these 6 characters seem to be unnaturally co-ordinated in their synchronised movements, please investigate'.  

Sylas_Stormguard said:

Why not have a reputation system in game based on accuracy of reports? Obviously people who just try to report every player like a rodent would have <1% accuracy and they would mean nothing. Alternatively when players with brains make reports and have accuracy of >80%, they would warrant investigation. 

Also - I am pretty sure the GMs do not actually play the game and might not even speak english as a first language, so when you report this as "multiboxing" when it is clearly "unattended scripting" - You not knowing the difference might make your reports less effective. 

I personally know two ex GM's both play.

I shared on stream last night the multiboxer haven that fandancer dojo has become. On my way down to the onis I passed 2 or 3 sets in training and at the onis there is a 7 set multiboxer. At least I get all the loot after the timer goes since I think he is just looting splintering weps. 

EpicLuteGaming said:

I shared on stream last night the multiboxer haven that fandancer dojo has become. On my way down to the onis I passed 2 or 3 sets in training and at the onis there is a 7 set multiboxer. At least I get all the loot after the timer goes since I think he is just looting splintering weps. 

I farm fan dancers just for splinters, I never loot anything else. I think most ppl there just don't speak because they don't speak English or are too busy killing stuff.

If you want to see real multi boxing go do a circuit of Destard mountain in fel, theres a guy running five miners (has done for years), I made an ej just to kill him, have over 200 counts now.

SaulGoodman1 said:

EpicLuteGaming said:

I shared on stream last night the multiboxer haven that fandancer dojo has become. On my way down to the onis I passed 2 or 3 sets in training and at the onis there is a 7 set multiboxer. At least I get all the loot after the timer goes since I think he is just looting splintering weps. 

I farm fan dancers just for splinters, I never loot anything else. I think most ppl there just don't speak because they don't speak English or are too busy killing stuff.

If you want to see real multi boxing go do a circuit of Destard mountain in fel, theres a guy running five miners (has done for years), I made an ej just to kill him, have over 200 counts now.

This was a 7 person multiboxer, you know them when you see them. The others were all young accounts training on fandancers. But the dude in the oni room, 100% multiboxer, no one moves 7 accounts in unison like that. 

Looks like they're logging in for the night. Come get your pages in and make sure to save the ticket #'s so you can reference them to Mesanna.

username said:

Looks like they're logging in for the night. Come get your pages in and make sure to save the ticket #'s so you can reference them to Mesanna.

Funny enough we have about 6 players paging on them and NO ONE has gotten a response for over a day now. 

If you page on another player you will NEVER get a response.

username said:

Obviously multiboxing quests, LOL.

We should ask ourselves, though, "why" there is some players out there who may decide to use scripts, multiboxing and Third Party utilities to have machines play their characters....

Perhaps, "just" perhaps, could perhaps this might be because the design of the gameplay, in order for players to get some needed/wanted items, sees players need to spend way too much of their time playing the game, in order to get them ?

Just perhaps....

Maybe, if items did not take so much time to get them, players would not need to use scripting, multiboxing or other ways to get them if they lack or simply do not want to spend such a large amount of time playing a game in order to get some pixels... just perhaps.... I am wondering....

Furthermore, if the time to get items in the game was more reasonable, players would not need to spend their real money to purchase them from other players, among whom, perhaps, might be some who used scripts, multiboxing or else to get some of those items, who knows.... so, also the issue of real money trades would go away, or get much reduced in its impact on the game..... for lack of a sufficient number of players willing to spend real money to buy items or gold in the game since, they could earn their own just playing the game since the time to get them would be much less as what it is now... and those selling items or gold for real money, would not have buyers, or many less that there might be now.....

I am NOT saying that high end items should be ubiquitous, dropping all over the place.... but neither they should be so scarce, rare, and time consuming to get as they are now.... the time to get them should be reasonably set, to my opinion, like AT MOST 1 hour, no more then 2 hours of trying per high end item.

I mean, 1-2 hours of a player's time is A LOT of time, to my opinion, therefore, the gameplay design should be one that, over this time span, should guarantee the wanted item's drop after that time has lapsed.... the Design could be with a percentage that starts as low and progresses as that player's character continues engaging in that given activity towards obtaining that item, and after a reasonable amount of time was to have lapsed (as I suggested, 1-2 real hours), the player should have a guaranteed drop of that given item because that percentage has grown to 100%, guaranteed drop.

Just wondering.....

Lord_Frodo said:

If you page on another player you will NEVER get a response.

You sure about that?



Huh.

username said:

Lord_Frodo said:

If you page on another player you will NEVER get a response.

You sure about that?



Huh.

But they do not say what the outcome was, just that they received your submission and they will investigate it. It even says in those emails that they won't reply with any findings, don't remember exact wording though.

@popps the problem isn't the cost in time to get an item, as that is what gives it value. The problem as correctly pointed out here is the lack of enforcement of the rules. Allowing some to take advantage of the the situation to make a profit. The answer to crime isn't to make things free for everyone. That is exactly what you are asking for, the unintended consequence of that would be to devalue the game and meaning for acquiring those or any item.

This would only limit this kind of scripting.

Put a limit on how many of these quests can be done in a day.

But I am against anti scripting changes that affect legitimate players.

But we do have a group of players that are already cheating in their playstyle.  And the scripting of saws to make bokutos and scripting of splintering weapons are only supporting the cheating group of players anyway.

So UO should take a stand against all scripting and illegal clients by removing PvP.  Since this only affects 2% of the UO player base and is the cause of 90% of daily scripting,  that supports these cheaters.

Pawain said:

This would only limit this kind of scripting.

Put a limit on how many of these quests can be done in a day.

But I am against anti scripting changes that affect legitimate players.

But we do have a group of players that are already cheating in their playstyle.  And the scripting of saws to make bokutos and scripting of splintering weapons are only supporting the cheating group of players anyway.

So UO should take a stand against all scripting and illegal clients by removing PvP.  Since this only affects 2% of the UO player base and is the cause of 90% of daily scripting,  that supports these cheaters.

Omg i agree with Pawain 

@Mariah @Rorschach could we get a quick troll cleanup of you know who? Thanks.

Pawain said:

Put a limit on how many of these quests can be done in a day.

But I am against anti scripting changes that affect legitimate players.

But we do have a group of players that are already cheating in their playstyle.  And the scripting of saws to make bokutos and scripting of splintering weapons are only supporting the cheating group of players anyway.

So UO should take a stand against all scripting and illegal clients by removing PvP.  Since this only affects 2% of the UO player base and is the cause of 90% of daily scripting,  that supports these cheaters.

I have a high suspicion that these players botting are EJs. They really should change EJs quest limitations back to what trial account limitations were: you can run each repeatable quest ONCE. If you want to bot at least you're risking $ with an active sub. EJs were a huge mistake, especially with all the things they can do, they're way too powerful (botting really). I'd imagine 100% of the bots in fandancers are EJs cause why risk your main account lol.

Ej would have been great if gms had a round clock schedule. 

I don't think they can limit them enough now to where they can't script something profitable. Gold. Plain resources. Ect. There's always going to be something they can do 23/7 to make gold and xfer it to a paid account. 

It's fruity pebbles.

I am for allowing EJs to get a feeling of playing UO.
But if they can do this type of quest, it should be limited to one or a few per day.

username said:

I have a high suspicion that these players botting are EJs. They really should change EJs quest limitations back to what trial account limitations were: you can run each repeatable quest ONCE. If you want to bot at least you're risking $ with an active sub. EJs were a huge mistake, especially with all the things they can do, they're way too powerful (botting really). I'd imagine 100% of the bots in fandancers are EJs cause why risk your main account lol.

Limit EJ to haven they can taste every part of game 

Grimbeard said:

Limit EJ to haven they can taste every part of game 

Haven, and test center would be good. that way they could learn the game on Haven and then test the rest of the game to let them know if they want to Sub.

Grimbeard said:

Limit EJ to haven they can taste every part of game 

All they should have done was take the 2 week timer off the old Trial Accounts and make them where they could not own a house.

Lord_Frodo said:

Grimbeard said:

Limit EJ to haven they can taste every part of game 

All they should have done was take the 2 week timer off the old Trial Accounts and make them where they could not own a house.

Splintering weapon should only spawn in fel

username said:

Lord_Frodo said:

If you page on another player you will NEVER get a response.

You sure about that?



Huh.

gosh dat rat xD

Army has once again logged in for the night and the GM's/Mesanna don't give a shit. Guess everyone's just allowed to multibox afk everything these days.

I think it is only a matter of time before this project is taken away from them.

NL has failed, no one wants it, it's NOT the show stopper they were hoping for

This is on autopilot because the team is not big, or skilled enough to tackle the historic code and blending it with new, hence NL

So watch this space, this game will NOT end, it has too much prestige has history, but like it say, it will be taken from those that don't respect it, cant mange it, and will be passed dot someone who will bring it to the forefront of online gaming

JackFlashUk said:

I think it is only a matter of time before this project is taken away from them.

NL has failed, no one wants it, it's NOT the show stopper they were hoping for

This is on autopilot because the team is not big, or skilled enough to tackle the historic code and blending it with new, hence NL

So watch this space, this game will NOT end, it has too much prestige has history, but like it say, it will be taken from those that don't respect it, cant mange it, and will be passed dot someone who will bring it to the forefront of online gaming

I'm not sure who would want to take UO from this team, they would need to really like a challenge. It would likely need to be people that have played before and have a vested interest. If it were someone else, I don't see them believing a 26 year old game is worth nursing back to health. It also doesn't help that the current team seems to be purposefully running it into the ground by making (seemingly) random changes to house placement while leaving dozens of other bugs untouched.

I start killing fandancer 1 (main)account. After a hour GM showed up.

keven2002 said:

JackFlashUk said:

I think it is only a matter of time before this project is taken away from them.

NL has failed, no one wants it, it's NOT the show stopper they were hoping for

This is on autopilot because the team is not big, or skilled enough to tackle the historic code and blending it with new, hence NL

So watch this space, this game will NOT end, it has too much prestige has history, but like it say, it will be taken from those that don't respect it, cant mange it, and will be passed dot someone who will bring it to the forefront of online gaming

I'm not sure who would want to take UO from this team, they would need to really like a challenge. It would likely need to be people that have played before and have a vested interest. If it were someone else, I don't see them believing a 26 year old game is worth nursing back to health. It also doesn't help that the current team seems to be purposefully running it into the ground by making (seemingly) random changes to house placement while leaving dozens of other bugs untouched.

IMHO if Rob Denton would step in and direct Messana to do community PR and let the DEVs talk with us there would be no more problems.  DAoC has a PR person why don't we?

up to 8

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Lord_Frodo said:

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Heartwood saws - 14mil 

Most likely they'll end up on RMT for a couple bucks.

That is a lot of work for just 14M

Hitting play is hardly work. 

Idk the drop rate but I'd assume 10 per day. If they all sell that's a plat a week. Not bad considering there's no repercussions.

Urge said:

Lord_Frodo said:

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Heartwood saws - 14mil 

Most likely they'll end up on RMT for a couple bucks.

What for?  I could see saws used to make 100% ele bokutos but you dont make those with heartwood saws.

Urge said:

Lord_Frodo said:

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Heartwood saws - 14mil 

Most likely they'll end up on RMT for a couple bucks.

I've been watching the Atlantic market for these too. Whatever they're doing, it does not seem like they selling the runics directly, at least not on Atlantic. There doesn't seem to be an influx of them: they would have flooded and obliterated the market if they were selling the saws. At the rate they're machine gunning quests, at least one every second, on 8 characters now, they've farmed THOUSANDS of Heartwood saws. 

According to the wikis you get a random piece of armor/jewelry, chance at a recipe, a chance at a talisman, chance at a deed (aquarium or other stuff don't remember). Is it possible they're getting legendary armor/jewels as rewards? 

Something broken, a recipe or a deed, giving way to many cleanup points?

I'm not hip with reforging, could they be reforging bokutos/shields? 70% hit lightning bokuto? Overcap wooden shields? Or something else pvp related? Take a look at the other place that's botted to hell, Fandancers, they're doing it for PVP gear/weapons.

Doing it on EJs 'just cause' they can get away with it and they don't need to dedicate a paid account?

Gearing up bots in reforged armor getting ready for the next tot? <--- my guess. Probably has a GM/EM friend that got inside info that a new ToT was coming up early and started to farm.

Your guess is as good as mine. They obviously know something we don't and are fully taking advantage of our lack of support. 

I would guess they are using Ash runics to make 100% elemental Bokutos.  All the Bokutos I see for sale on forums are reforged Lesser.  So they are not Heartwood made.  Also Heartwood would put a bunch of unwanted stats on.

I searched Bokutos on Atl.  The most expensive ones are Looted.  The lower and mid range ones are crafted.  There are so many that I doubt this is what the players in question are doing.

When the Bunnies were active and we needed luck suits, the amount of ash runic saws was 0.
Right now there are a tons of ash saws in VS.(could be from players who made them too late for the Luck suits)  Also there is a lot of Heartwood saws.  I saw no Bukotos made from heartwood.

I guess you will have to ask them what they are getting.

Pawain said:

I guess you will have to ask them what they are getting.

Looks like they're loading up the bots for the evening. Everyone should come down and ask them, and when they don't reply, page a GM and email mesanna

username said:

Pawain said:

I guess you will have to ask them what they are getting.

Looks like they're loading up the bots for the evening. Everyone should come down and ask them, and when they don't reply, page a GM and email mesanna

Clearly they just haven't received the newsletter listing all the banning going on 

Or they are sitting at their PC watching UO and their movie viewing app, like me.

Pawain said:

Or they are sitting at their PC watching UO and their movie viewing app, like me.

Running 6 accounts ok...

I just run 4, have a turn based game on and TV.

username said:

Urge said:

Lord_Frodo said:

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Heartwood saws - 14mil 

Most likely they'll end up on RMT for a couple bucks.

I've been watching the Atlantic market for these too. Whatever they're doing, it does not seem like they selling the runics directly, at least not on Atlantic. There doesn't seem to be an influx of them: they would have flooded and obliterated the market if they were selling the saws. At the rate they're machine gunning quests, at least one every second, on 8 characters now, they've farmed THOUSANDS of Heartwood saws. 

According to the wikis you get a random piece of armor/jewelry, chance at a recipe, a chance at a talisman, chance at a deed (aquarium or other stuff don't remember). Is it possible they're getting legendary armor/jewels as rewards? 

Something broken, a recipe or a deed, giving way to many cleanup points?

I'm not hip with reforging, could they be reforging bokutos/shields? 70% hit lightning bokuto? Overcap wooden shields? Or something else pvp related? Take a look at the other place that's botted to hell, Fandancers, they're doing it for PVP gear/weapons.

Doing it on EJs 'just cause' they can get away with it and they don't need to dedicate a paid account?

Gearing up bots in reforged armor getting ready for the next tot? <--- my guess. Probably has a GM/EM friend that got inside info that a new ToT was coming up early and started to farm.

dont you realize this guy probably trolling you ?  nothing worth to be scripted in heartwood we got runic kit in 30 seconds with bods. i bet this guy caught a big fish :-p

username said:

Urge said:

Lord_Frodo said:

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Heartwood saws - 14mil 

Most likely they'll end up on RMT for a couple bucks.

I've been watching the Atlantic market for these too. Whatever they're doing, it does not seem like they selling the runics directly, at least not on Atlantic. There doesn't seem to be an influx of them: they would have flooded and obliterated the market if they were selling the saws. At the rate they're machine gunning quests, at least one every second, on 8 characters now, they've farmed THOUSANDS of Heartwood saws. 

According to the wikis you get a random piece of armor/jewelry, chance at a recipe, a chance at a talisman, chance at a deed (aquarium or other stuff don't remember). Is it possible they're getting legendary armor/jewels as rewards? 

Something broken, a recipe or a deed, giving way to many cleanup points?

I'm not hip with reforging, could they be reforging bokutos/shields? 70% hit lightning bokuto? Overcap wooden shields? Or something else pvp related? Take a look at the other place that's botted to hell, Fandancers, they're doing it for PVP gear/weapons.

Doing it on EJs 'just cause' they can get away with it and they don't need to dedicate a paid account?

Gearing up bots in reforged armor getting ready for the next tot? <--- my guess. Probably has a GM/EM friend that got inside info that a new ToT was coming up early and started to farm.

I just love how you think that the GMs/EMs are all cheaters.  Why do you even play a game that you hate so much?

Lord_Frodo said:

username said:

Urge said:

Lord_Frodo said:

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Heartwood saws - 14mil 

Most likely they'll end up on RMT for a couple bucks.

I've been watching the Atlantic market for these too. Whatever they're doing, it does not seem like they selling the runics directly, at least not on Atlantic. There doesn't seem to be an influx of them: they would have flooded and obliterated the market if they were selling the saws. At the rate they're machine gunning quests, at least one every second, on 8 characters now, they've farmed THOUSANDS of Heartwood saws. 

According to the wikis you get a random piece of armor/jewelry, chance at a recipe, a chance at a talisman, chance at a deed (aquarium or other stuff don't remember). Is it possible they're getting legendary armor/jewels as rewards? 

Something broken, a recipe or a deed, giving way to many cleanup points?

I'm not hip with reforging, could they be reforging bokutos/shields? 70% hit lightning bokuto? Overcap wooden shields? Or something else pvp related? Take a look at the other place that's botted to hell, Fandancers, they're doing it for PVP gear/weapons.

Doing it on EJs 'just cause' they can get away with it and they don't need to dedicate a paid account?

Gearing up bots in reforged armor getting ready for the next tot? <--- my guess. Probably has a GM/EM friend that got inside info that a new ToT was coming up early and started to farm.

I just love how you think that the GMs/EMs are all cheaters.  Why do you even play a game that you hate so much?

Why does wanting better for a game we love make us bad

Grimbeard said:

Lord_Frodo said:

username said:

Urge said:

Lord_Frodo said:

What are they getting that is worth so much money

Heartwood saws - 14mil 

Most likely they'll end up on RMT for a couple bucks.

I've been watching the Atlantic market for these too. Whatever they're doing, it does not seem like they selling the runics directly, at least not on Atlantic. There doesn't seem to be an influx of them: they would have flooded and obliterated the market if they were selling the saws. At the rate they're machine gunning quests, at least one every second, on 8 characters now, they've farmed THOUSANDS of Heartwood saws. 

According to the wikis you get a random piece of armor/jewelry, chance at a recipe, a chance at a talisman, chance at a deed (aquarium or other stuff don't remember). Is it possible they're getting legendary armor/jewels as rewards? 

Something broken, a recipe or a deed, giving way to many cleanup points?

I'm not hip with reforging, could they be reforging bokutos/shields? 70% hit lightning bokuto? Overcap wooden shields? Or something else pvp related? Take a look at the other place that's botted to hell, Fandancers, they're doing it for PVP gear/weapons.

Doing it on EJs 'just cause' they can get away with it and they don't need to dedicate a paid account?

Gearing up bots in reforged armor getting ready for the next tot? <--- my guess. Probably has a GM/EM friend that got inside info that a new ToT was coming up early and started to farm.

I just love how you think that the GMs/EMs are all cheaters.  Why do you even play a game that you hate so much?

Why does wanting better for a game we love make us bad

LMAO So accusing the GMs, EM,s and the DEVs of favoritism and cheating without any proof what so ever is wanting a better game. I do not care what UO did you would ALWAYS find fault.  Why do you play a game that you hate so much.  Do you really think that all your rants do anything to help retain even one UO player.  Does your neighbor tell you how to run your household?  UO is a privately owned game that you pay a sub to play.  Why do you think you have a right to tell UO what they can or can not do?  I use to play a MMO that had ZERO interaction between the players and the game owners.  If you liked what they provided then you played and if you didn't then you quit, plain and simple.  I have been here for 25+ years and still find new stuff or make a different type of char on other shards.  Nowhere in any agreement that I have agreed to says UO has to talk to me or listen to what I have to say.  My voice is my pocketbook and I still find UO entertaining so I still pay and play.  UO just put out a newsletter telling us what is coming up and all you can do is bitch about it.  People get mad at EMs when something comes up in real and an event is canceled or postponed, You have ONE dev Bleak doing NL and UO coding and you have Kyronix doing UO, 2 people maintaining/trying to upgrade a 25 year old game and when able get on TC with players to figure things out.  WOW I just did a popps and IMHO I really do not think there is anything that anybody could say to you or UO could do that you would not find fault in.

Grimbeard said:

Lord_Frodo said:

I just love how you think that the GMs/EMs are all cheaters.  Why do you even play a game that you hate so much?

Why does wanting better for a game we love make us bad

Don't feed the Frodo troll. He doesn't read. He just loves to make up things in his head that he inserts in to the conversation and then argue with himself about it. As you can see, I've never said that 'all GMs/EMs are cheaters'. He did this in the other thread too, when I said oh another boring ToT and he told me 'I had no idea what NL was going to be so how could I know it's boring'? Wish these forums had an ignore feature....

Lord_Frodo said:I just love how you think that the GMs/EMs are all cheaters.  Why do you even play a game that you hate so much?
LMAO So accusing the GMs, EM,s and the DEVs of favoritism and cheating without any proof what so ever is wanting a better game. .

13 and counting? Can't even get all their bars. Game is a joke actually. 

Thank you for your fedback. This is not the venue to report suspected in game violations. You would be better served by using the proper systems provided.