Moved: Evasion diminishing returns not working?

The evasion chance is not the parry chance???

“It is not?

can you then explain why the last parry chance increases from around 37 to 50 when using evade?

Or deceases down from 35% to <\5% when passive evading in white tiger form?

How this works please?”

problem isnt with evasion, problem is with casting schools being able to use at will.   Pvp will suffer til the end of UO until this is fixed.  Been 4 years at least since pvp has been completely broken and no help from the team to address any of it.

They need to reduce the speed of the bokuto, only way to fix this whole bushido mage thing, by affecting the hybrid mages by forcing them to wear actual dexxer stats like swing speed increase and stamina increase to hit fast on a bokuto, because as it is right now they dont need any of that to hit 1,25s, and it wouldnt nerf the actual dexxers with bokutos because these have high stam to begin with.

So nerf bokuto down to 2,5s base speed, most problems fixed.

As for the evasion and the issue here,  I am not sure, I've actually never tested the diminushing returns fix from recent patch. But I will do some tests for you and come back with results

that won't fix anything... most bok mages are already running 120 stam and 20 ssi anyways to swing the hatchet at cap

“ @Mariah will you move to bug forum?
It doesn’t seem anyone can provide evidence evasion diminishing returns is working, but there is evidence it is not working”

gay said:

Hard cap the amount of evasions that happen, with an increase depending on bushido skill. Evasion is a 2 part defensive, change the portion where it has a chance to block/evade attacks while the buff is active to a capped # of attacks can be blocked, and keep the Tact+Anat bonus to the amount of time the buff is active for.

Evasion: Req. 60 skill to activate (97.5 Bushido for 100% success on cast)

Evades base of 2 attacks, an additional attack can be evaded for every 20 points of bushido (total of 5 evades at 120 for those who cant count)

Increase the cooldown to 30 seconds after the buff falls off.

It's really not that difficult to balance these things. Stop over complicating shit lmao.

Does this impact PVM particularly sampires the very bread and butter of UO...

McDougle said:

gay said:

Hard cap the amount of evasions that happen, with an increase depending on bushido skill. Evasion is a 2 part defensive, change the portion where it has a chance to block/evade attacks while the buff is active to a capped # of attacks can be blocked, and keep the Tact+Anat bonus to the amount of time the buff is active for.

Evasion: Req. 60 skill to activate (97.5 Bushido for 100% success on cast)

Evades base of 2 attacks, an additional attack can be evaded for every 20 points of bushido (total of 5 evades at 120 for those who cant count)

Increase the cooldown to 30 seconds after the buff falls off.

It's really not that difficult to balance these things. Stop over complicating shit lmao.

Does this impact PVM particularly sampires the very bread and butter of UO...

"Well, the patch notes only stated Evasion for PvP, but to be honest i don't see why they would only do diminishing returns in PvP but not PvM, seems a little strange, 
also not sure how that would work if a player sets a pet/summons on someone"

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Rorschach said:

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I think wanting a pvm voice in any pvp fix thread is important if my voice is "argumentative " i nominate pawain or popps 

My guys with Bushido evade so rarely that I don't see how this change would hurt them.
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Pawain said:

My guys with Bushido evade so rarely that I don't see how this change would hurt them.
 😂 

Skittlez1337 said:

Sampires are way overpowered and need to be adjusted for the long term.

We are in the longterm right now, my dude. I remember when vamp form was nerfed so that it didn't function with spells anymore because "aoe life leech with wither is OP" but instantaneous damage every 1.25 seconds with hit area damage that scales based on the initial hit, with zero cast time and full defensive capability of Parry, Bush Parry, Weapon Skill and DCI isn't classified as "OP" one bit.

You know its OP when you can go from 2 HP to 150 in one swing, please someone defend that? Or maybe vamp form shouldn't work with specials like whirlwind? Its time to nerf these easy templates and make UO more competitive again!

Skittlez1337 said:

You know its OP when you can go from 2 HP to 150 in one swing, please someone defend that? Or maybe vamp form shouldn't work with specials like whirlwind? Its time to nerf these easy templates and make UO more competitive again!

Leeches scale off ss skill level easy fix.
 no other skill set lets you use features at full strength without having supporting skills 
Mage/eval 
Tame/lore
Mystic/focus 
Etc

Skittlez1337 said:

You know its OP when you can go from 2 HP to 150 in one swing, please someone defend that? Or maybe vamp form shouldn't work with specials like whirlwind? Its time to nerf these easy templates and make UO more competitive again!

Ive been saying the exact same thing months ago, it's not normal to be full from 0 to 100 hp and mana in one swing, while it takes my tamer or mage  almost 1 minute to regen all my mana, while im doing nothing but meditating. (and having to have meditate skill)

McDougle said:

Skittlez1337 said:

You know its OP when you can go from 2 HP to 150 in one swing, please someone defend that? Or maybe vamp form shouldn't work with specials like whirlwind? Its time to nerf these easy templates and make UO more competitive again!

Leeches scale off ss skill level easy fix.
 no other skill set lets you use features at full strength without having supporting skills 
Mage/eval 
Tame/lore
Mystic/focus 
Etc

The problem is you have two different leeches being stacked together. I think making SS tied to how useful the life drain is would be a great start.

gay said:

Just make it so that every 20 points of spirit speak, you gain 4% life drain with vamp. embrace. So a JoaT human in vamp form would have 4% life drain effect in form. At 100 spirit speak you would have the current version of Vamp form with 20%, at 120 you would have 24%.

Address the other leeches on weapons by addressing how whirlwind works, Hit area damage scales based on the initial whirlwind hit, when you scale that hit with a slayer, and targeting the lowest resistance, then then the bushido increasing the damage as well per mob hit up to five mobs. Then hit area has a chance to proc for every monster hit in the swing, if you hit 9 mobs at once, then you have a chance of 9 super scaled hit areas going out across the screen.

Hit area should only be 2-4 tile radius, not a full screen.

I like these ideas, vampiric embrace form could use a similar formula to wraith form/mana leech, where you have a flat base leech value at 0 spirit speak of 8% life drain ( for elves sampire ), then + 2% every 20 spirit speak ( human joat would then have 10% life drain) , and a cap of 20% at 120 spirit speak.

"this sampire spirit thing was suggested many many years ago, and is great, but not relevant to thread"

I know we derailed a bit off topic , let's find a way to balance evade !
I do agree with some others on this thread about not seeing much changes from whenever they added the diminushing returns on evades.
Evade I think has always been  based on parry chance, since evades gives +increase % chance to parry when casted ( sometimes up to 51% when using a 2-hand weapon ) but from experience it feel alot more than 51% on evading stuff around, it feels more like a 90%+ right now lol. 
It should def. be looked into

Yoshi said:

"i noticed other day in the field that This is now working correctly,

but i did not read anywhere about it being fixed

But it doesnt seems to reduce the evading itself since you evaded all blows... it reduced parry chance ?? Then why do they call it evading diminushing returns

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