We have had several emails asking if the Wildfire cloth is legal, YES it is.

Then why you let this super cool cloth to only few people who sell the cloth for platinum. Why all others players from others shards can get this cloth by farming? Seriously it should be avaible to everyone....there is another exploit people use to sell for platinum recently altered mask of travesty legal or not? this non sense need to stop... be equal to everyone or delete the stuff or give back to original form. @kyronix @Mesanna

I remember the Halloween multi hued cloth being a big deal. Those Begging Buggers quick enough with their scissors made some bank.  Then months later we have the metallic cloth dye tubs which gave us all those colors.

*Sarcasm mode on* Yes, it's always great when you read something like that here There was, if I remember darkly, something like a clear statement on the part of the producer side. that you can't make cloth in Wildfire from the "cloth items" and everyone who put the scissors on it could also determine that it didn't work. It's great that it worked again for some special more equal people and that they are now being generously rewarded again and allowed to make the big fat they have even bigger - that's wonderful again .... *sarcasm mod off

So much inconsistency really makes you want to puke - sorry for the expletive! There was a suggestion here from various sides to include pigments as a reward. How about including these colour pigments as loot in the Treasures of Monsters - that would take the bumblebees out of the trousers of some crazy tin cans and soften the running through the dungeons in these events a bit. There was already something like that at a Halloween event in 2009 and as far as I can remember, it was a Halloween event that went down really well at the time

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Interesting... how were people able to get the cloth?? I used scissors unsuccessfully to cut it up and was told by several people (perhaps a Dev too?) that they weren't letting it be cut up. That's a bit deceiving...

The dyes associated with the event drop should indeed be a reward during the event.

A dye tub with these event hues would be a good new vet reward too.

Seems strange that anything related to using scissors or cutting cloth is something the client has any say in.

@Kyronix, please also fix the demon head platter so it dispenses food while lock down in a house 🙂

It was possible to cut up gargish cloth armor and some hats when wildfire first started. Those that knew this were able to collect a good bit, but it was quickly changed via hot fix. Nothing to do with what client portal a player used. It was never possible for the hythloth content.

Can someone tell me what this wildfire cloth is and where it comes from?

So much speculation on this thread. When/where was the last time you actually saw someone selling/wearing WF cloth/clothes.

DeathBringer said:

Can someone tell me what this wildfire cloth is and where it comes from?

 Cloth the same color of the Wildfire drops from the last "Treasures of" event (green ones)

Victim_Of_Siege said:

DeathBringer said:

Can someone tell me what this wildfire cloth is and where it comes from?

 Cloth the same color of the Wildfire drops from the last "Treasures of" event (green ones)

Did it straight up just drop as cloth or did you have to cut cloth items for it?

DeathBringer said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

DeathBringer said:

Can someone tell me what this wildfire cloth is and where it comes from?

 Cloth the same color of the Wildfire drops from the last "Treasures of" event (green ones)

Did it straight up just drop as cloth or did you have to cut cloth items for it?

It had to be cut up and was only certain cloth items apparently 

Roxo said:

It was possible to cut up gargish cloth armor and some hats when wildfire first started. Those that knew this were able to collect a good bit, but it was quickly changed via hot fix. Nothing to do with what client portal a player used. It was never possible for the hythloth content.

Thank you! That would explain it. I don't play as a garg so that's why I wasn't able to get any. We'll just chalk that up as a win for people who play Gargs 🙂 

Roxo said:

It was possible to cut up gargish cloth armor and some hats when wildfire first started. Those that knew this were able to collect a good bit, but it was quickly changed via hot fix. Nothing to do with what client portal a player used. It was never possible for the hythloth content.

Not really exploiting anything if they were just playing the game. Now if people are using an illegal client to still obtain it (or after the fix) then that is an exploit. 

keven2002 said:

Not really exploiting anything if they were just playing the game. Now if people are using an illegal client to still obtain it (or after the fix) then that is an exploit. 

“At the end of the day, it’s just a deco item/colour.
I have no interest in these kind of things”

Yoshi said:

“At the end of the day, it’s just a deco item/colour.
I have no interest in these things”

Let me translate. 

No real money here..

So 90% of the EM drops are not earned but given to friends.  That same Mongbat whispered JFK Jr is still alive to me.

Ivenor said:

keven2002 said:

Not really exploiting anything if they were just playing the game. Now if people are using an illegal client to still obtain it (or after the fix) then that is an exploit. 

I kindly disagree.

If the WF cloth was non mean to be, but it come in existence anyway, that means that someone literally exploited a bug, i.e. took advantage of some piece of "bad programming" (e.g. banally a DB flag that should have said "this in not allowed" was not set right).

At this point, to be fair toward ALL the palyers and not only toward the... "lucky" ones that in some way "discovered" this (I'm forcing myself to believe in their bona fide and give them kudos for their creativity), the Devs had had two rational choices:

1. Allow EVERYONE to be able to go on to produce WF cloth (and frankly I don't see why they shouldn't: what is of so sacred in the Dynamic Events stuff that one cannot even produce some cloth from it? Isn't have made even the DE Pisspots Shard Bound crazy enough?);

2. Stop the bug and delete the stuff produded exploiting it for EVERYBODY (as they have done before in similar occasions).

They made instead a third one: allowing ONLY the "lucky dicoverers" to keep thier WF cloth and so doing fatten their Bank Box.

I wrote that I'm forcing myself to believe in the bona fide of the people involved, but a passing mongbat just wispererd to me that the main actors in this "Cut the WF Cloth and get Rich(er) Quickly" scheme were principally always the same people that "casually" get the EVERY TIME the 90% of ALL the EM drops.

So, nothing new here, only the same old racket business...

You say this yet if it was an exploit that was heavily abused with ill intent before it could be fixed then we would have seen the market flooded with cloth as people abuse the loophole and dump it cheaply before possible removal etc. 

I also find the last part difficult to believe as cloth is a) impossible to buy regardless of price and seemingly non-existent on Atlantic which is bizarre when the people you say are involved are so active and focused on profiting there. In fact I've only seen one WF object which is a dress and not usually on Atlantic.

Strange such things warranted a hotfix.

Just bring new dyes into the picture, either as reward claim items, a vet reward tub, or both.

Fearless said:

Ivenor said:

keven2002 said:

Not really exploiting anything if they were just playing the game. Now if people are using an illegal client to still obtain it (or after the fix) then that is an exploit. 

I kindly disagree.

If the WF cloth was non mean to be, but it come in existence anyway, that means that someone literally exploited a bug, i.e. took advantage of some piece of "bad programming" (e.g. banally a DB flag that should have said "this in not allowed" was not set right).

At this point, to be fair toward ALL the palyers and not only toward the... "lucky" ones that in some way "discovered" this (I'm forcing myself to believe in their bona fide and give them kudos for their creativity), the Devs had had two rational choices:

1. Allow EVERYONE to be able to go on to produce WF cloth (and frankly I don't see why they shouldn't: what is of so sacred in the Dynamic Events stuff that one cannot even produce some cloth from it? Isn't have made even the DE Pisspots Shard Bound crazy enough?);

2. Stop the bug and delete the stuff produded exploiting it for EVERYBODY (as they have done before in similar occasions).

They made instead a third one: allowing ONLY the "lucky dicoverers" to keep thier WF cloth and so doing fatten their Bank Box.

I wrote that I'm forcing myself to believe in the bona fide of the people involved, but a passing mongbat just wispererd to me that the main actors in this "Cut the WF Cloth and get Rich(er) Quickly" scheme were principally always the same people that "casually" get the EVERY TIME the 90% of ALL the EM drops.

So, nothing new here, only the same old racket business...

You say this yet if it was an exploit that was heavily abused with ill intent before it could be fixed then we would have seen the market flooded with cloth as people abuse the loophole and dump it cheaply before possible removal etc. 

I also find the last part difficult to believe as cloth is a) impossible to buy regardless of price and seemingly non-existent on Atlantic which is bizarre when the people you say are involved are so active and focused on profiting there. In fact I've only seen one WF object which is a dress and not usually on Atlantic.

Pawain said:

So 90% of the EM drops are not earned but given to friends.  That same Mongbat whispered JFK Jr is still alive to me.

ForeverFun said:

Strange such things warranted a hotfix.

Just bring new dyes into the picture, either as reward claim items, a vet reward tub, or both.

Wouldn't that create more problems than it solves. WF drops suddenly lose their value.

ForeverFun said:

Strange such things warranted a hotfix.

Just bring new dyes into the picture, either as reward claim items, a vet reward tub, or both.

Exactly.

Fearless said:

ForeverFun said:

Strange such things warranted a hotfix.

Just bring new dyes into the picture, either as reward claim items, a vet reward tub, or both.

Wouldn't that create more problems than it solves. WF drops suddenly lose their value.

I would say opposite...if people start to cut cloth items for crafting purpose less drops on the market....anyway i dont know why they dont let people cut drop to have fun for cosmetic use....the way they handle it was very bad....legal to have so let it available to anyone

Fortis said:

Fearless said:

ForeverFun said:

Strange such things warranted a hotfix.

Just bring new dyes into the picture, either as reward claim items, a vet reward tub, or both.

Wouldn't that create more problems than it solves. WF drops suddenly lose their value.

I would say opposite...if people start to cut cloth items for crafting purpose less drops on the market....anyway i dont know why they dont let people cut drop to have fun for cosmetic use....the way they handle it was very bad....legal to have so let it available to anyone

Rubbles still drop in idocs 

@Ivenor the same people get drops from em events because they get more credit at em events. Altho i would say most of them buy them afyer the event to re sell

Fortis said:

Rubbles still drop in idocs 

Only the low weight ones, for what I know...

Fearless said:

ForeverFun said:

Strange such things warranted a hotfix.

Just bring new dyes into the picture, either as reward claim items, a vet reward tub, or both.

Wouldn't that create more problems than it solves. WF drops suddenly lose their value.

Doubtful.  Dyes don't add the "Of wildfire", etc suffix, as the drop items have.

Norry said:

@ Ivenor the same people get drops from em events because they get more credit at em events. Altho i would say most of them buy them afyer the event to re sell

Pawain said:

So 90% of the EM drops are not earned but given to friends.  That same Mongbat whispered JFK Jr is still alive to me.

 Elvis was telling me that Jr was last seen on the mothership headed for Atlantis.

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Pawain said:

So 90% of the EM drops are not earned but given to friends.  That same Mongbat whispered JFK Jr is still alive to me.

 Elvis was telling me that Jr was last seen on the mothership headed for Atlantis.

Tin Foil Hat Area? T-hat's (  😂  ) an opinion, respectable as any other one... 

Returning on the WF colored Cloth, the point IMO remains that:

1. it is Legit, and so anyone should be able to produce it for him/herself (my preferred choice let's this be clear, and non only for WF, but for ANY other Event specific special Hue: of the Three, etc., particularly considering that it is already possible to produce "of the Kotl" & "of Ice" hued items );

or

2. it is not Legit, and so it should not exist at all.

Ivenor said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Pawain said:

So 90% of the EM drops are not earned but given to friends.  That same Mongbat whispered JFK Jr is still alive to me.

 Elvis was telling me that Jr was last seen on the mothership headed for Atlantis.

Tin Foil Hat Area? T-hat's (  😂  ) an opinion, respectable as any other one... 

Returning on the WF colored Cloth, the point IMO remains that:

1. it is Legit, and so anyone should be able to produce it for him/herself (my preferred choice let's this be clear, and non only for WF, but for ANY other Event specific special Hue: of the Three, etc., particularly considering that it is already possible to produce "of the Kotl" & "of Ice" hued items );

or

2. it is not Legit, and so it should not exist at all.

Or we quit dealing in absolutes and realize there is a third option that the Devs went for

3) We admit there was a problem and fix the items creating it. We leave the cloth in game creating a new collectible rare item to give people something to strive for.

That being said, I would love to own an item made from it, but Likely never will.  I do not begrudge the people that figured this out because at some point the rest of us may figure something like this out and benefit from it. Will we be yelling just as loud then to fix it I wonder?

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Ivenor said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Pawain said:

So 90% of the EM drops are not earned but given to friends.  That same Mongbat whispered JFK Jr is still alive to me.

 Elvis was telling me that Jr was last seen on the mothership headed for Atlantis.

Tin Foil Hat Area? T-hat's (  😂  ) an opinion, respectable as any other one... 

Returning on the WF colored Cloth, the point IMO remains that:

1. it is Legit, and so anyone should be able to produce it for him/herself (my preferred choice let's this be clear, and non only for WF, but for ANY other Event specific special Hue: of the Three, etc., particularly considering that it is already possible to produce "of the Kotl" & "of Ice" hued items );

or

2. it is not Legit, and so it should not exist at all.

Or we quit dealing in absolutes and realize there is a third option that the Devs went for

3) We admit there was a problem and fix the items creating it. We leave the cloth in game creating a new collectible rare item to give people something to strive for.

That being said, I would love to own an item made from it, but Likely never will.  I do not begrudge the people that figured this out because at some point the rest of us may figure something like this out and benefit from it. Will we be yelling just as loud then to fix it I wonder?

Let's be clear: as I already wrote, to the "discovers" go all my kudos, but I totally disagree on the solution adopted by the Devs, and I DON'T want the WF Cloth cancelled: au contraire, I wish that it were always possible, and for ALL the Events drops, to be "cutable"... 🙂

And I support your right to disagree with them, I personally disagree with you. The Devs made a choice and I support said choice. 

Victim_Of_Siege said:

And I support your right to disagree with them, I personally disagree with you. The Devs made a choice and I support said choice. 

And I support your right to disagree with me when I disagree with them, I personally disagree with you, and so on... 🙂  

You see, the game is FULL of this kind of, clearly IMO, illogical decisions. One for all: WHY THE HECK it isn't possible anymore to create leather-colored Bone armor sets? Note that the Gump STILL says that a Bone armor piece will retain the color of the Leather used to make it!

This stuff is SO illogical that Mr. Spock would have a nervous breakdown... 😂

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Or we quit dealing in absolutes and realize there is a third option that the Devs went for

3) We admit there was a problem and fix the items creating it. We leave the cloth in game creating a new collectible rare item to give people something to strive for.

That being said, I would love to own an item made from it, but Likely never will.  I do not begrudge the people that figured this out because at some point the rest of us may figure something like this out and benefit from it. Will we be yelling just as loud then to fix it I wonder?

This.

I don't have any of the cloth and I don't think there is a need to remove or give everyone the ability to have wildfire cloth. Whoever has it good for them that they figured out how to obtain it (assuming it was done legally) and to the victor goes the spoils.

That's the problem with UO these days; people want everything available to everyone which basically waters the game down so that it takes any/all skill out of playing. People say "I didn't know how to get the cloth before the fix so they should make a dye tub because I want it (without paying loads for it)" and those are likely the same people saying "Paragon balrons are too hard and shouldn't spawn". I'm willing to bet those same people also would rather just have a clicky for drops and you get as many as you want. 

Ivenor said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

And I support your right to disagree with them, I personally disagree with you. The Devs made a choice and I support said choice. 

And I support your right to disagree with me when I disagree with them, I personally disagree with you, and so on... 🙂  

You see, the game is FULL of this kind of, clearly IMO, illogical decisions. One for all: WHY THE HECK it isn't possible anymore to create leather-colored Bone armor sets? Note that the Gump STILL says that a Bone armor piece will retain the color of the Leather used to make it!

This stuff is SO illogical that Mr. Spock would have a nervous breakdown... 😂

I agree, getting upset at the devs for making the decision they made is illogical. I see no intent of malice of nefariousness here, just an informed decision that upset the least amount of folks possible. In the end that’s  all you can do in Life, business or leadership, make the decision that upsets the least amount of people and move on.