Tram or Fel? Wearing luck? Honor?Jepeth said:It takes a bit but I've had success with Troglodytes.
I tried the guardian room, after 200+ kills didn’t get any clean, over capped items with 1 or 2 properties.Seth said:You may check this out:I agree with one of the poster that you can possibly get clean items from most mob. I would say mid-to-high level mob not necessarily the "boss" level. So far, I have yet to get any +10 SSI but I have found others.The reason why most players do not notice is because we do not check all items in the loot bag. Say I have done like over 120 Yukio quests, and killed 21,720 mobs. Do I check the bags of all those I killed? No, I was in a rush. There "could" have been some clean items among those loots from Yamandon, Tsuki Wolf, Yomotsu, etc. It would be nice if our game client has auto check loot bag function for certain items. EC bags can be search, but this still takes a bit of time away from the mad rush to clear the quest.
Merus said:I tried the guardian room, after 200+ kills didn’t get any clean, over capped items with 1 or 2 properties.Seth said:You may check this out:I agree with one of the poster that you can possibly get clean items from most mob. I would say mid-to-high level mob not necessarily the "boss" level. So far, I have yet to get any +10 SSI but I have found others.The reason why most players do not notice is because we do not check all items in the loot bag. Say I have done like over 120 Yukio quests, and killed 21,720 mobs. Do I check the bags of all those I killed? No, I was in a rush. There "could" have been some clean items among those loots from Yamandon, Tsuki Wolf, Yomotsu, etc. It would be nice if our game client has auto check loot bag function for certain items. EC bags can be search, but this still takes a bit of time away from the mad rush to clear the quest.
Yes, that is why I started this thread. I’m curious if people are willing to share the combinations they have had success with.... ie Trogs in Fel with 1200 luck, no honor bonus... or maybe level 2 maps in tram with 2800 luck, etc.ForeverFun said:You may need to play with the amount of luck you're running. There is a "sweet spot" related to what you're looking for. Too much luck isn't always a good thing, and luck can increase the number of properties, and overall intensity -- which is counter to what you want. Fel implies 1000 luck base. Try starting with 0-400 luck in tram.
You may need to go through 1000+ kills/items before you get what you're looking for.
Pinco EC add in has something called "finders keepers" which allows looting only specific items?
About 1200 luck killing what?Bilbo said:Tram is about 1200 luck
Wow, this may be a reason for me to use Pinco ui for my hunting. It's still better if the official ui has this function. In all these events, we often rush to kill mobs, and there probably good stuff once a while if we care to check all bags. Even the legendary drop from Yomotsu Elder was quite rare, and I have not seen them after getting one.ForeverFun said:
Pinco EC add in has something called "finders keepers" which allows looting only specific items?
Anything that gives loot. Luck does not care what you kill just as long as there is loot it will roll the dice to see what upgrade you get or don't get. Some of us spent real money doing max luck suits just to find out Luck didn't work the way they wanted and still doesn't and most found that 1200 - 1400 luck was the sweet spot.Merus said:About 1200 luck killing what?Bilbo said:Tram is about 1200 luck
Was the loot better with the luck vice without luck? Has Ettins ever given over capped items? Just because you didn't get any over capped items doesn't mean your luck didn't work.Merus said:So, as a point of reference... I spent a couple hours killing ettins in Fel, with honor (at 120 bushido) while wearing a 2,120 luck suit. I did not see a single drop with any property over capped.
I didn’t say the luck didn’t work, actually quit the opposite. 2,100+1000(Fel)+1000(honor) I should be over the threshold for a 100% chance to have luck impact the loot. Based on that experience I would say that ettins do not have overcap properties in the loot table.Bilbo said:Was the loot better with the luck vice without luck? Has Ettins ever given over capped items? Just because you didn't get any over capped items doesn't mean your luck didn't work.Merus said:So, as a point of reference... I spent a couple hours killing ettins in Fel, with honor (at 120 bushido) while wearing a 2,120 luck suit. I did not see a single drop with any property over capped.
And you may also find out using your Ettin test that luck around 1200 - 1400 would have given you the same results. I am taking it that you are using UOGuide luck calculator to get your %100 upgrade info that was based on what the Devs said and was proven wrong because then every item should be upgraded every time and they are not. Kill Ettins in Fel with all that luck and then go to Tram and kill Ettins with out the bonus, just the 2100 and then 1200 - 1400 and 0 luck and compare all results, you can also do Fel with 0 luck to add more info.Merus said:I didn’t say the luck didn’t work, actually quit the opposite. 2,100+1000(Fel)+1000(honor) I should be over the threshold for a 100% chance to have luck impact the loot. Based on that experience I would say that ettins do not have overcap properties in the loot table.Bilbo said:Was the loot better with the luck vice without luck? Has Ettins ever given over capped items? Just because you didn't get any over capped items doesn't mean your luck didn't work.Merus said:So, as a point of reference... I spent a couple hours killing ettins in Fel, with honor (at 120 bushido) while wearing a 2,120 luck suit. I did not see a single drop with any property over capped.
Most items with 1 or 2 properties are minor magic items (or similar). The trick seems to be finding mobs that drop these lower items but are capable of getting over capped weights... my assumption is that is probably best achieved by bumping the weight budget through luck.
You missing the point. It doesn’t matter if 1400 luck is the same as 4000 luck, all it means is that ettins aren’t going to drop over capped mods with either value. And if they aren’t dropping it with 1400 luck they likely aren’t dropping it with zero luck either.Bilbo said:And you may also find out using your Ettin test that luck around 1200 - 1400 would have given you the same results. I am taking it that you are using UOGuide luck calculator to get your %100 upgrade info that was based on what the Devs said and was proven wrong because then every item should be upgraded every time and they are not. Kill Ettins in Fel with all that luck and then go to Tram and kill Ettins with out the bonus, just the 2100 and then 1200 - 1400 and 0 luck and compare all results, you can also do Fel with 0 luck to add more info.Merus said:I didn’t say the luck didn’t work, actually quit the opposite. 2,100+1000(Fel)+1000(honor) I should be over the threshold for a 100% chance to have luck impact the loot. Based on that experience I would say that ettins do not have overcap properties in the loot table.Bilbo said:Was the loot better with the luck vice without luck? Has Ettins ever given over capped items? Just because you didn't get any over capped items doesn't mean your luck didn't work.Merus said:So, as a point of reference... I spent a couple hours killing ettins in Fel, with honor (at 120 bushido) while wearing a 2,120 luck suit. I did not see a single drop with any property over capped.
Most items with 1 or 2 properties are minor magic items (or similar). The trick seems to be finding mobs that drop these lower items but are capable of getting over capped weights... my assumption is that is probably best achieved by bumping the weight budget through luck.
Yes, I was using a really low damage weapon with no slayer to get the extra hits in.Gwen said:@ Merus , you cannot get 1000 luck from Honor killing ettins. Or you kill them with some really low- damage samurai?
My opinion abuout overcapped ones - you can get them everywhere. Even from a mongbat.
This week i got SSI 10 MR3 (double overcapped) jewel from yomotsu. Because I am looting them )) And I had 0 or 150 luck (dont remember were Minax talons on or not).
Ring with SSI 10 DI 35 is greater magic. (there is one on auc box on Atl). What mob can give you greater magic? almost every one. So we should aim to get more possibilities. Which mob you kill faster , who gives many items? One with lesser slayer, or ones in groups?
Your luck can increase quantity of items in loot. Sou you have more chances.
So 1- you need to think what item you need. What ou plan to imbue. Check skill groups you can reimbue (if you plan skill points). Example: if you need SSI , DI , HCI and STR , ring with 10 SSI , 5 HCI 10 DI and 3 STR will suit you well.
2- you go and kill something that will make you as many rolls (items in loot) t as possible. May be doing something else at the same time. Yukio quest is very good for this task. You will be slow at it (spending time for looting) but possible rewards are way better than just killing mobs. Other places: Miasma (ML arties and set items), mini-champs (essences) , shame elementals (crystals), etc....
3- you find way to search through loot fast. I am looting all jewels, then use search in a lootbag. Nothing good- drop lootbagball and use another one.
Also you can party with somebody - it increases loot QTY. So you have even more chances per mob killed. .
Yes, I think you have understood exactly what I am thinking. Trying to find that sweet spot where you get a mob with a max property weight budget of around 300, with max 3 lines that allows overcapped individual properties.keven2002 said:@ Merus - Sorry I can't give you the exact answer of what to kill with what luck; I still haven't figured that out myself but you are not crazy. There are absolutely "loot tables" in place and depending on where that mob is placed on the loot table will determine what you get. I did a bunch of research on this back when Shame was revamped and all the new items started spawning. This was even confirmed by someone on the Dev team back then. Understandably most people who have more knowledge are going to be mum on it because it's a pretty valuable piece of knowledge.
What I can say is that something like 10 SSI / 35 DI jewelry will never spawn on something like an ettin or water element, no matter how many you kill or what your luck is. My understanding is that depending on where a certain mob falls on the loot table they have a max property number / max intensity number / max item number. So something like an ettin will never have a 6 property piece OR something with 2 over capped properties OR more than like 4 items with properties. From what I've read and kind of seen for luck is that it takes something on that loot table and gives it a chance (via "dice roll") to have an extra property (which then can water down all properties) OR bump up the intensity of an existing property OR just give you an extra piece of loot all together and if it's an extra piece of loot more rolls are done based on luck. Bringing in game luck (from armor) into the conversation muddies the water quite a bit because we are talking about a combo or in game luck and out of game luck. There could be something that you would have killed to spawn a clean 10 SSI piece as the only mod but because you had 1200 luck it adds a property and now you have a 5 SSI / 15 DI piece. That's kinda where I've been hung up because when I've tried to test something I've had mixed results which I think goes toward random outliers.
Back in the day the thing to kill was the Shame wind elements with around 1000 luck or the unbound vortexes with 1400ish; I had a friend who heavily farmed there using that combo and he had some of the best jewels lockdown in his house I'd seen to that point. There is a vendor house on ATL outside Mag that multiple jewelry pieces that are clean 10 SSI / 35DI only and things of the like. That is a pretty good indicator that there is something specific to farm (with a certain level of luck I'm sure) or they are duping heavily (which I doubt given it's all on a vendor).
To Gwen's and Seth's points though about the Yukio quest... the Yomotsu spawn can drop overcapped stuff so it's possible to pickup something good from them. I noticed the same thing during the each "treasures of" event where something like a lich or AOL or WW that I'd never really killed much of had some decent stuff on them when I stopped to look at the loot (I killed 100's of these and not all loot was good). The problem there (and with Yukio) is that everyone is trying to do it quickly so looking at loot slows that down.
Yes, clean items are possible, but I’m still convinced there is a strategy to improving the odds. Very unlikely to get a clean, overcapped 2 property ring from the roof or an ettin.Seth said:It seems possible to get clean item from almost any monsters, but it just takes time and you will need to sieve through those bags. I am not sure if doing like 3 - 4 hours or even 8 hours straight will guarantee a drop.Yesterday, I decided to check the loots during Yukio quest again, and this time I still did not see any clean items but got a legendary bracelet from one Revenant Lion. My warrior only has 150 luck in Tokuno. While raising honor with Balrons at Chaos moongate, I remember getting clean or legendary items, but they are rare...They should have some sort of macro to auto search and loot items built in (without using 3rd party UI like Pinco, etc).
How long it takes you to finish roof? 1 hour may be? And you get lots of items but they are mostly legendaries or so. Not much lesser or greater magical. Which are rjewels you need. So your chances to get some good overcapped are way better if you will kill drakes in bellfry, not minax minions.Merus said:Yes, clean items are possible, but I’m still convinced there is a strategy to improving the odds. Very unlikely to get a clean, overcapped 2 property ring from the roof or an ettin.
So instead of killing ettins or troglodytes with no additional reward you kill those tokuno mobs with a chance to get earrings.@keven2002
To Gwen's and Seth's points though about the Yukio quest... the Yomotsu spawn can drop overcapped stuff so it's possible to pickup something good from them. I noticed the same thing during the each "treasures of" event where something like a lich or AOL or WW that I'd never really killed much of had some decent stuff on them when I stopped to look at the loot (I killed 100's of these and not all loot was good). The problem there (and with Yukio) is that everyone is trying to do it quickly so looking at loot slows that down.
You’re presuming it can be both finding the sweet spot and killing lots, were I think both is exactly the plan.Gwen said:How long it takes you to finish roof? 1 hour may be? And you get lots of items but they are mostly legendaries or so. Not much lesser or greater magical. Which are rjewels you need. So your chances to get some good overcapped are way better if you will kill drakes in bellfry, not minax minions.Merus said:Yes, clean items are possible, but I’m still convinced there is a strategy to improving the odds. Very unlikely to get a clean, overcapped 2 property ring from the roof or an ettin.
Same about shadowlords in underwater. 1 per 30+ minutes and may be 5-10 great magical in lootbag. So your odds will be way better if you will kill rotting corpses on lvl 1 of BMV Ararat.
You just need to get more possibilities from system. This way you will just bruteforce system instea of searching some "sweet spots" And you better find some activity where you can get another reward.
No. You need to count how many magical drops you get per hour. Not artifacts.Merus said:You’re presuming it can be both finding the sweet spot and killing lots, were I think both is exactly the plan.
The roof takes me about an hour and yields about 125 drops.... but even if that was 1000 drops, the odds of them being what I’m looking for is so low the volume is virtually irrelevant.
I understand what you’re saying, the important factor you’re missing is the chance to actually drop the kind of item I’m looking for:Gwen said:No. You need to count how many magical drops you get per hour. Not artifacts.Merus said:You’re presuming it can be both finding the sweet spot and killing lots, were I think both is exactly the plan.
The roof takes me about an hour and yields about 125 drops.... but even if that was 1000 drops, the odds of them being what I’m looking for is so low the volume is virtually irrelevant.
Even it will be 125 magical - 125 rolls per hour.
Compare to how many Tsuki wolves (4-6 rolls per) you can kill in an hour. Or Yomotsu. they spawn quite fast. and kill 3-5 per minute is not a problem. This gives you more than 1 thousand rolls per hour. Really magical , with only few going to "artifact" intensity.
Also having more players yield more drops from same mob.
Luck is important because it gives you more items per mob (up to a item qty cap). But it also gives you chances to get "improved" item with more properties. Which you dont want. So my opinion is you dont need to have high luck - have none or from 1 or 2 items (100-300). Just kill more mobs.
What level maps with what luck?Bilbo said:SOSs and T-Maps.
This chance is low.Merus said:I understand what you’re saying, the important factor you’re missing is the chance to actually drop the kind of item I’m looking for:
10,000 drops an hour X 0% chance is still zero. This thread is primarily to discuss which mobs and combination of luck increase the % chance.