Ej and Blue Beetles , DONT GET OFF OF THEM !!!

So I was finally able to log in with one of my old accounts. The player was logged out at Minoc inn, sitting on a blue beetle. I log in, jump off the beetle, it had 1000 boards inside. I try to hop back on, EJ players cannot mount pack animals with items inside, or something to that effect. That's pretty messed up.

I logged back in to recheck..."You can't ride a pack animal that contains items".

I wonder how many returning players who try EJ are going to resub just to save the stuff they have in a blue beetle.

I wonder how many returning players will buy or tame a blue beetle, go out and chop more logs than they can carry, and then find out they can't ride the beetle they just bought, and rode out into the woods,  with items inside ?

Garth_Grey said:

I wonder how many returning players will buy or tame a blue beetle, go out and chop more logs than they can carry, and then find out they can't ride the beetle they just bought, and rode out into the woods,  with items inside ?

At least it can still function as a pack horse/ pack llama.

lol  I am sure there is a reason for that.  And Minoc has an Inn?  When did that happen?

Can EJ have bonded pets I wonder ? **Logs back in to feed it and find out**

Nope, haven't been on this beetle in a couple of years, fed it..no bond.

Pawain said:

lol  I am sure there is a reason for that.  And Minoc has an Inn?  When did that happen?

I used the term loosely...The Barnacle...

You can't have a bonded pet as EJ??

I just assumed the beetle would have bonded after the feeding, since it was fed and commanded last time I logged in and mounted it...**shrug**

Well my beetles on my closed accounts all have 125 items on em or close to.  Won't be reloging them then, or all that stuff will go to god as won't be able to put it in the bank either.  Cancel any idea of asking a few of my mates to come back as no doubt their characters when packed are the same and they will be sorely pissed off to log in to just check it out and find all their rares etc are now having to be dealt with with nowhere to store em and not being able to mount their beetles to log out resulting in them going wild.  BAD idea.

Bonding takes a week..

InLor said:

Bonding takes a week..

Thanks Capn, but its been over 52 weeks.

Well.. I mean.. you may have to try feeding a pet as an EJ player and waiting a week.

But everyone was advising EJ players to get a beetle to hold their items! Sheesh, you couldn't make this stuff up... 

Garth_Grey said:

Nope, haven't been on this beetle in a couple of years, fed it..no bond.

Maybe you didn't feed it when you first got it? I know I do that a lot

I'm fairly certain, since it wasn't already a bonded beetle, that it was a brand new one, that I would have fed and mounted before I logged off.

You might want to go over the restriction list.   this has been posted in advance.
 Current EJ Restriction List.

Endless Journey characters may collect BoDs, can use pack animals

I didn't read any restriction list, I merely logged in on an account and shared my experience. Yes my EJ can technically "use" the blue beetle, but once you get off of one you can't get back on with items in the pack, and it's not going to log out with you, with items in the pack. 

Nowhere does it say they cannot ride a blue beetle with stuff in it...

They can use pack animals...a blue beetle is a pack animal....it doesn't say they can RIDE pack animals nor does it say they can NOT ride pack animals.

What Can and Endless Journey account not do?

Endless Journey accounts may not own a house, be co-owned to a house or access containers, safe logout or stacks of items within a public house if friended to one. They may not use mailboxes, operate player vendors or place auction safes. The may not launch a boat

They may not gain, use or be protected by Justice virtue; receive Rewards, Monster Kill Points, Virtue Points or Power Scrolls from Champion Spawns; gain occupation points in active VvV towns; Attack EM Event creatures or gain EM Event Items; vote in Town Elections or create a guild

Characters may not bribe bulk order npcs, harvest colored ore or logs, mine sand or stone or receive Feluccan 2x bonus.

Might wanna add that to this section if this is going to be the case

This is the stupidest thing that I have ever heard of, are they trying to kill EJ before it is even started.

Yeah because every returning player stored their EM event rares on a blue beetle...

omg cancel the whole of uo you can’t ride a beetle with stuff in it.... 

@Larisa ; You need to scroll down, it's near the bottom.

Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

CovenantX said:

@ Larisa  You need to scroll down, it's near the bottom.

Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

Ohhhhh I missed that...hmm wonder why they put that in? Probably because everyone was saying..Oh just open a second account and use a blue beetle as storage..they sure squashed that one real fast.....like they don't want EJ people to have ANY storage whatsoever thinking that it will make ppl sub...it's just gonna make people leave....I sure hope they come up with some kind of storage FAST...I have faith!

Mervyn said:

Yeah because every returning player stored their EM event rares on a blue beetle...

omg cancel the whole of uo you can’t ride a beetle with stuff in it.... 

You really are clueless aren't you.  Returning player gets off loaded, no matter what is in it and can not remount or log off with a loaded pack animal but to someone like you that is ok that they lose their stuff.  What you work for UO and you are trying to justify this very well thought out pub, lame.

Can you buy a pet bonding potion from the store and instantly bond a packy? If so, EJ players could have 5 pack animals.

Arroth_Thaiel said:

Can you buy a pet bonding potion from the store and instantly bond a packy? If so, EJ players could have 5 pack animals.

If you wanted to save items from one log-in session to another without keeping them in your backpack, though, the pack animals wouldn't help you. Also, if you are using them for mining or lumberjacking, you would have no place to store the ore, ingots, or boards when you're ready to log off. Keeping them in the pack animal and then logging off would just make the pack animal go wild and drop its pack contents.

Larisa said:

CovenantX said:

@ Larisa  You need to scroll down, it's near the bottom.

Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

Ohhhhh I missed that...hmm wonder why they put that in? Probably because everyone was saying..Oh just open a second account and use a blue beetle as storage..they sure squashed that one real fast.....like they don't want EJ people to have ANY storage whatsoever thinking that it will make ppl sub...it's just gonna make people leave....I sure hope they come up with some kind of storage FAST...I have faith!

I'm not telling any friends about EJ at this point because if they left with loaded blue beetles, taking advantage of EJ is just going to drive them away permanently because they'll lose everything they had in the beetles unless they subscribe right then and there. I suspect that'll be a bit too strong-armed for some people to accept who only wanted to take a quick peek and see if it was worth returning.

I just sent a note on Facebook to friends I used to play with telling them to hold off on trying Endless Journey for now, especially if they think they logged out any characters sitting on loaded blue beetles.  Hopefully things change down the road.  But for now, I just can't see recommending EJ to former players when there's so much risk that they'll lose things if they aren't really ready to re-sub at this point.

Margrette said:

I just sent a note on Facebook to friends I used to play with telling them to hold off on trying Endless Journey for now, especially if they think they logged out any characters sitting on loaded blue beetles.  Hopefully things change down the road.  But for now, I just can't see recommending EJ to former players when there's so much risk that they'll lose things if they aren't really ready to re-sub at this point.

Ditto, but frankly if any of my friends do log in now they will just have to create 2 or 3 accounts so the characters can HOLD the stuff.

This is getting bloody ridiculous.  On what planet do these devs live?  They should have basic storage and frankly just a normal bankbox.  Talk about killing off EJ before it even starts.

From the first time they published the 'restrictions' the one and most yelled about issue was no storage and how detrimental it would be, yet they think making it so you can't ride a beetle when packed will again solve their meaness re storage, think again, people if they wanna keep making chars to hold stuff will do that.

Never have I seen a dev team so intent on driving away people before it even gets off the ground.

 Madness. Sorry it is the only description I can think of.

Seriously I am starting to wonder if they even play the game like a normal player or just fool around with godly equipment that never needs anything so they need no storage at all, but being the DEVs they have unlimited storage and weight limit in their backpacks..

Someone please shoot me in the face. 

Some of the comments and reactions on this thread could be used for an ISIS recruitment campaign. 

LOL  Good to see UO at its best and some people will defend UO no matter what.  What colors are your POM POMs there guy?

I just do not understand what people are going so crazy over.

They've said you can play for free with the following restrictions :
Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

And most people would think absolutely nothing of this, but a couple of people are making out that everyone has stored some kind of valuables in their blue beetle.

I mean lets take a step back and think about things. Who has stored anything valuable in a blue beetle, ever? And even if say for some strange reason 3 people did, would these items from 10 years ago still be valuable?

What exactly are we talking about here, who are these people who have stored event items in their blue beetles? who are they? and do we need them?

And lets say they did store event rares in their blue beetles, there's nothing stopping them from moving them from the blue beetle to their backpack..

I really feel sorry for people who are following certain people on facebook here.

Mervyn said:

I just do not understand what people are going so crazy over.

They've said you can play for free with the following restrictions :
Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

And most people would think absolutely nothing of this, but a couple of people are making out that everyone has stored some kind of valuables in their blue beetle.

I mean lets take a step back and think about things. Who has stored anything valuable in a blue beetle, ever? And even if say for some strange reason 3 people did, would these items from 10 years ago still be valuable?

What exactly are we talking about here, who are these people who have stored event items in their blue beetles? who are they? and do we need them?

And lets say they did store event rares in their blue beetles, there's nothing stopping them from moving them from the blue beetle to their backpack..

I really feel sorry for people who are following certain people on facebook here.

This time I totally agree with you. Unique... 😂

quite a lot of people packed up their account by loading as much of their items as they could into bank boxes and blue beetles, logging all characters out sitting on a beetle. However I'm thinking that people who considered all they'd stored to be precious in this way will either re-sub to retrieve it or simply not come back. Most would not expect to actually play while riding full beetles.

It does not matter what is stored in them it is the simple fact that it ment something to the person closing an account and the whole idea of EJ was to try to get people to test out UO again and hopefully to get some more subs but again but again UO puts out an unfinished product and for all the POM POM crowd go throw away all your stuff right now because according top you it means nothing.  As far as the blue bug goes that restriction was added later to the list, it was not there at the beginning.

In their infinite wisdom, the devs probably think everyone will panic and they can force/coerce them into pay $$ per month or whatever for a storage unit.  that was discussed.  It's all gonna lead up to a final money grab, most of us have seen that coming

But the harsh reality is, most who try, will say screw this and just forget UO once again

Sadly @Uriah_Heep you are correct.  People will log in and see what a joke this is and log right back out.  BS/UO had a great opportunity to do something nice and blew it by releasing a half done product again.

Half finished this, badly programmed that, blah blah blah.
One question: If UO is this crap, why you waste you precious time playing it?

Friends are still here...when they go, nothing else will keep me here as it is.  Plus we hold out hope that someday they will get it right

I'm sorry but there is no better game than UO out there, what are you gonna do? Complain that you're allowed to play for free with restrictions? Look EJ is for people new to the game, not for vets who wanna play for free with no restrictions. Quit being cheap and pay the sub instead of wasting ur time watching Netflix. Jesus u people are dramatic, if its so important to you, pay the sub like every other vet who has access to the things that matter in the game. 

Really you are shocked that Broadsword is running UO to hopefully turn a profit and not just provide you with free game play? 

I don't KNOW what the intent of EJ is but it seem to me to be an easy way for people to come back and see what has changed as well as letting new player get their feet wet for free. 
Not for long term play.

The old trial accounts were being used for many other things then intended. I know I did on occasion.  EJ with its limits on storage solve that problem from Broadsword's point of view with out eating into the existing player $ base. If you have extra accounts for storage and or extra houses are you switching them to EJ accounts?
Note the restrictions on interaction to house storage (Drop logs/ingots (and other stackable items) on a locked down pile No) as an example.

PS before you claim I just a UO fan boy read my posts on Power Scrolls.

I have no intention of using EJ accounts for myself, even though I know several of my old closed accounts are now eligible to be used as EJ accounts. However, I certainly don't feel that I was out of line to MESSAGE (not a public post for all to read as some people here seem to think) three people that I used to play UO with to give them a warning that if they logged into their old accounts to check out UO under Endless Journey they would end up losing items stored in blue beetles if they didn't intend to pay for a subscription at this time. I have no idea if any of those three people did log out with loaded blue beetles and what they might have put in them. Knowing those people and the time when they quit playing--late 2005 to early 2006--they don't have any EM rares because there was no active EM program at that time and none of them were big-time, rich collectors anyway. I doubt any of them even had an account updated for more than 125 bank storage or seven characters on a shard.

I have not made any posts here derogatory to the development team. I don't think I've been a whiny snot about this either. I'm just trying to be realistic and post feedback that I hope is helpful to someone else, including the dev team. If their intention was to try to encourage old-time players to return, I'm not really sure they thought through some of the consequences of the EJ restrictions. Unfortunately, I really don't know what else they can do at this point that won't also open the door to people opening a lot of free accounts that they will never pay for.

It almost seems like they should limit EJ to brand new accounts and consider doing a Return to Britannia type of program (i.e., no housing possible) a few times per year, maybe for just 5 days or a week at a time, for old, non-trial/non-EJ accounts so ex-players can activate those accounts during that time to do some running around and exploring and see if they want to re-sub again.

Margrette said:

I have no intention of using EJ accounts for myself, even though I know several of my old closed accounts are now eligible to be used as EJ accounts. However, I certainly don't feel that I was out of line to MESSAGE (not a public post for all to read as some people here seem to think) three people that I used to play UO with to give them a warning that if they logged into their old accounts to check out UO under Endless Journey they would end up losing items stored in blue beetles if they didn't intend to pay for a subscription at this time. I have no idea if any of those three people did log out with loaded blue beetles and what they might have put in them. Knowing those people and the time when they quit playing--late 2005 to early 2006--they don't have any EM rares because there was no active EM program at that time and none of them were big-time, rich collectors anyway. I doubt any of them even had an account updated for more than 125 bank storage or seven characters on a shard.

I have not made any posts here derogatory to the development team. I don't think I've been a whiny snot about this either. I'm just trying to be realistic and post feedback that I hope is helpful to someone else, including the dev team. If their intention was to try to encourage old-time players to return, I'm not really sure they thought through some of the consequences of the EJ restrictions. Unfortunately, I really don't know what else they can do at this point that won't also open the door to people opening a lot of free accounts that they will never pay for.

It almost seems like they should limit EJ to brand new accounts and consider doing a Return to Britannia type of program (i.e., no housing possible) a few times per year, maybe for just 5 days or a week at a time, for old, non-trial/non-EJ accounts so ex-players can activate those accounts during that time to do some running around and exploring and see if they want to re-sub again.

That is not correct.  If you log out in a safe place, your pet will log off also.  The beetle will not just sit there until it goes wild.

Pawain said:

That is not correct.  If you log out in a safe place, your pet will log off also.  The beetle will not just sit there until it goes wild.

When did it change that an unmounted blue beetle with items in its pack will log out when its owner logs out in a safe place?

Pawain said: 

That is not correct.  If you log out in a safe place, your pet will log off also.  The beetle will not just sit there until it goes wild.

 I just tested this and what you said does not seem to be true. Dropped some muffins in a blue beetle and logged the owner out standing while both were at an inn. The blue beetle is still standing there while the owner is logged out.

Yes that is correct, a pack animal with items in it's pack will NOT auto-log with you..EVER.

HAte to tell them but EJ died shortly after birth.  Was at the bank in another game this morning watching a group of folks talking about UO's EJ and what joke it is.  SO WOM Mouth is working, just not as the Dev team would like for it to 🙂 

No looking into Bank Boxes to see what is there, no blue bugs and no rented storage.  3 things that was there in the beginning that have been removed/changed.

They should have received the basic 125 bank.  And been able to rent the increased storage that we all bought.

But nope...yeah this is DOA

Larisa said:

Yes that is correct, a pack animal with items in it's pack will NOT auto-log with you..EVER.

Even if you log in on another toon?  That doesn't sound right.  So much for autostable.

Ok They do stay and you can log in another toon.  I dont use them for storage so Ill move on outta this thread.

*Taps pipe emptying the ash on the bottom of his boot. Reaching into a little pouch at his belt he pulls another pinch of Occlo Tabac and fills his pipe.*

Seems I read a tremendous amount of posts alerting the Devs to all the reasons an EJ account could be used as a scripted everything. That the Scripters were going to have a field day with these accounts and that the Devs should do everything they could to prevent that. 

Oh what a ridiculous thing to launch EJ it will be a Scripters heaven.  

Well you have been heard. How about acknowledging that. They provided you with a way for friends to check out the game updates and in a way to severely hamper a Scripter.

No bank access, no storage, no dropping into containers, etc.....

Maybe the community should make a not to be careful for what they ask for. I see the same people complaining about both issues.

EJ Accounts are not designed for you to be able to access all the items you stored when you logged out. They are designed for you to check out the new content and play if you are new. Eventually subbing

If you are a Vet to check out the new content and resub quickly if you like it. 

If you decide not to resub, well you could care less about your items anyway and most will quickly find them outdated as well. 

*Finishing the packing of his pipe he selects a small firebrand from the fire and holds it to the end of his pipe. A few puffs he set the fire brand back and sits back into his chair to enjoy his Occlo Tabac* 

Mervyn said:

I just do not understand what people are going so crazy over.

They've said you can play for free with the following restrictions :
Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

And most people would think absolutely nothing of this, but a couple of people are making out that everyone has stored some kind of valuables in their blue beetle.

I mean lets take a step back and think about things. Who has stored anything valuable in a blue beetle, ever? And even if say for some strange reason 3 people did, would these items from 10 years ago still be valuable?

What exactly are we talking about here, who are these people who have stored event items in their blue beetles? who are they? and do we need them?

And lets say they did store event rares in their blue beetles, there's nothing stopping them from moving them from the blue beetle to their backpack..

I really feel sorry for people who are following certain people on facebook here.

When I quit UO for two years in 2009, I packed up 3 castles that had the full storage upgrade on them and 2 max 18/18 luna plots into characters bankboxes, backpacks and beetles.  EVERY single character was FULL.  Even then I still gave a way a LOT of stuff, ask the people on oceania, when I left i went round putting all manner of nice things in peoples letterboxes, heritage tokens, all sorts of stuff. 

Since I returned I have opened 3 accounts and now have 2 Castles and a Max 18x18 luna plot on Oceania, and since playing siege I have obtained a Castle, a Keep and max 18x18 on Malas.

On the two accounts still closed, I have reopened one when I needed to house hold once, and the character that placed had to be gated to an exisiting house so I could unload it to 'move' as the char was pretty much overweight and stuck in luna inn.  All other chars on that account and the other are on beetles and due to the fact the heavy stuff has to go in the bank, a lot of rares are on either the character or in the beetle. 

Just because you don't see a need doesn't mean lot of people don't.  My two guildies who went to play WOW also did the same, packed up castles and max plots onto chars and beetles.  On one char you can store  175+125+125 = a max of 425 items (assuming you were fully empty to start with). To pack a castle which has 7500 lockdowns you would need technically 17 characters.  On an account that has 7 that is 10 chars short. So yeah there are LOTS of accounts out there that have characters packed to the gils with stuff. 

I can see a lot of people logging in to check it out, jumping off their beetles to see whats inside them and then having a nasty shock when they realise they can't jump back on. 

So if you log in as an old Vet and decide to pack it up again pay your one month sub and secure your future. 

Think of it like paying for insurance. 

If you read the options there shouldn't be all this drama. 

What is provided for EJ is a direct result of Veteran Players comments and demands to the Devs. 

Just wondering 

say someone comes back and is on a beetle and decides to re-activite the account to get items from the beetle or bank, do they have to wait 90 or 180 days just to come back again as an EJ account ? 

Skett said:

Just wondering 

say someone comes back and is on a beetle and decides to re-activite the account to get items from the beetle or bank, do they have to wait 90 or 180 days just to come back again as an EJ account ? 

Yup they have to wait.

MissE said:

Mervyn said:

I just do not understand what people are going so crazy over.

They've said you can play for free with the following restrictions :
Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

And most people would think absolutely nothing of this, but a couple of people are making out that everyone has stored some kind of valuables in their blue beetle.

I mean lets take a step back and think about things. Who has stored anything valuable in a blue beetle, ever? And even if say for some strange reason 3 people did, would these items from 10 years ago still be valuable?

What exactly are we talking about here, who are these people who have stored event items in their blue beetles? who are they? and do we need them?

And lets say they did store event rares in their blue beetles, there's nothing stopping them from moving them from the blue beetle to their backpack..

I really feel sorry for people who are following certain people on facebook here.

When I quit UO for two years in 2009, I packed up 3 castles that had the full storage upgrade on them and 2 max 18/18 luna plots into characters bankboxes, backpacks and beetles.  EVERY single character was FULL.  Even then I still gave a way a LOT of stuff, ask the people on oceania, when I left i went round putting all manner of nice things in peoples letterboxes, heritage tokens, all sorts of stuff. 

Since I returned I have opened 3 accounts and now have 2 Castles and a Max 18x18 luna plot on Oceania, and since playing siege I have obtained a Castle, a Keep and max 18x18 on Malas.

On the two accounts still closed, I have reopened one when I needed to house hold once, and the character that placed had to be gated to an exisiting house so I could unload it to 'move' as the char was pretty much overweight and stuck in luna inn.  All other chars on that account and the other are on beetles and due to the fact the heavy stuff has to go in the bank, a lot of rares are on either the character or in the beetle. 

Just because you don't see a need doesn't mean lot of people don't.  My two guildies who went to play WOW also did the same, packed up castles and max plots onto chars and beetles.  On one char you can store  175+125+125 = a max of 425 items (assuming you were fully empty to start with). To pack a castle which has 7500 lockdowns you would need technically 17 characters.  On an account that has 7 that is 10 chars short. So yeah there are LOTS of accounts out there that have characters packed to the gils with stuff. 

I can see a lot of people logging in to check it out, jumping off their beetles to see whats inside them and then having a nasty shock when they realise they can't jump back on. 

Sorry, but did you pay your subs when not actively playing? If yes, and you still pay now what is the problem? If not... IMO one should be grateful to still have ANY stuff preserved: I don't remeber that was wrote anywhere that, besiede the 90 days of "grace" period after stop paying for a sub, there were a warranty of stuff preservation for inactive accounts...

Ivenor said:

MissE said:

Mervyn said:

I just do not understand what people are going so crazy over.

They've said you can play for free with the following restrictions :
Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

And most people would think absolutely nothing of this, but a couple of people are making out that everyone has stored some kind of valuables in their blue beetle.

I mean lets take a step back and think about things. Who has stored anything valuable in a blue beetle, ever? And even if say for some strange reason 3 people did, would these items from 10 years ago still be valuable?

What exactly are we talking about here, who are these people who have stored event items in their blue beetles? who are they? and do we need them?

And lets say they did store event rares in their blue beetles, there's nothing stopping them from moving them from the blue beetle to their backpack..

I really feel sorry for people who are following certain people on facebook here.

When I quit UO for two years in 2009, I packed up 3 castles that had the full storage upgrade on them and 2 max 18/18 luna plots into characters bankboxes, backpacks and beetles.  EVERY single character was FULL.  Even then I still gave a way a LOT of stuff, ask the people on oceania, when I left i went round putting all manner of nice things in peoples letterboxes, heritage tokens, all sorts of stuff. 

Since I returned I have opened 3 accounts and now have 2 Castles and a Max 18x18 luna plot on Oceania, and since playing siege I have obtained a Castle, a Keep and max 18x18 on Malas.

On the two accounts still closed, I have reopened one when I needed to house hold once, and the character that placed had to be gated to an exisiting house so I could unload it to 'move' as the char was pretty much overweight and stuck in luna inn.  All other chars on that account and the other are on beetles and due to the fact the heavy stuff has to go in the bank, a lot of rares are on either the character or in the beetle. 

Just because you don't see a need doesn't mean lot of people don't.  My two guildies who went to play WOW also did the same, packed up castles and max plots onto chars and beetles.  On one char you can store  175+125+125 = a max of 425 items (assuming you were fully empty to start with). To pack a castle which has 7500 lockdowns you would need technically 17 characters.  On an account that has 7 that is 10 chars short. So yeah there are LOTS of accounts out there that have characters packed to the gils with stuff. 

I can see a lot of people logging in to check it out, jumping off their beetles to see whats inside them and then having a nasty shock when they realise they can't jump back on. 

Sorry, but did you pay your subs when not actively playing? If yes, and you still pay now what is the problem? If not... IMO one should be grateful to still have ANY stuff preserved: I don't remeber that was wrote anywhere that, besiede the 90 days of "grace" period after stop paying for a sub, there were a warranty of stuff preservation for inactive accounts...

Why would I pay subs when not actively playing, why would I bother even packing up my stuff if the intent was to never come back?  Sorry but the reason people 'pack up' is to actually keep their stuff on the off chance of coming back.  I reopened 3/5 accounts which I pay for every month, when I had the 5 accounts open I also paid EVERY month for those, not every 90 days like some.  I gave my castles and luna plots to friends instead of selling them for rl dollars which I was offered but declined. I also had an agreement with one of the friends to have a castle returned to me if I returned seeing as I gave them 2 castles and a luna spot. 

If I go back to 'wow'  all my stuff is there as well, as I left it.  Frankly if I had to lose all my stuff then I would NEVER have even come back. 

The reason people pack up is that it has always been the case that it is preserved if you come back, guarantee you if it wasnt the case and people had to start from scratch the majority of returnees wouldn't bother returning.

MissE said:

Ivenor said:

MissE said:

Mervyn said:

I just do not understand what people are going so crazy over.

They've said you can play for free with the following restrictions :
Use Pack Animals

Yes

Yes, but may not mount pack animals with items in their pack.

And most people would think absolutely nothing of this, but a couple of people are making out that everyone has stored some kind of valuables in their blue beetle.

I mean lets take a step back and think about things. Who has stored anything valuable in a blue beetle, ever? And even if say for some strange reason 3 people did, would these items from 10 years ago still be valuable?

What exactly are we talking about here, who are these people who have stored event items in their blue beetles? who are they? and do we need them?

And lets say they did store event rares in their blue beetles, there's nothing stopping them from moving them from the blue beetle to their backpack..

I really feel sorry for people who are following certain people on facebook here.

When I quit UO for two years in 2009, I packed up 3 castles that had the full storage upgrade on them and 2 max 18/18 luna plots into characters bankboxes, backpacks and beetles.  EVERY single character was FULL.  Even then I still gave a way a LOT of stuff, ask the people on oceania, when I left i went round putting all manner of nice things in peoples letterboxes, heritage tokens, all sorts of stuff. 

Since I returned I have opened 3 accounts and now have 2 Castles and a Max 18x18 luna plot on Oceania, and since playing siege I have obtained a Castle, a Keep and max 18x18 on Malas.

On the two accounts still closed, I have reopened one when I needed to house hold once, and the character that placed had to be gated to an exisiting house so I could unload it to 'move' as the char was pretty much overweight and stuck in luna inn.  All other chars on that account and the other are on beetles and due to the fact the heavy stuff has to go in the bank, a lot of rares are on either the character or in the beetle. 

Just because you don't see a need doesn't mean lot of people don't.  My two guildies who went to play WOW also did the same, packed up castles and max plots onto chars and beetles.  On one char you can store  175+125+125 = a max of 425 items (assuming you were fully empty to start with). To pack a castle which has 7500 lockdowns you would need technically 17 characters.  On an account that has 7 that is 10 chars short. So yeah there are LOTS of accounts out there that have characters packed to the gils with stuff. 

I can see a lot of people logging in to check it out, jumping off their beetles to see whats inside them and then having a nasty shock when they realise they can't jump back on. 

Sorry, but did you pay your subs when not actively playing? If yes, and you still pay now what is the problem? If not... IMO one should be grateful to still have ANY stuff preserved: I don't remeber that was wrote anywhere that, besiede the 90 days of "grace" period after stop paying for a sub, there were a warranty of stuff preservation for inactive accounts...

Why would I pay subs when not actively playing, why would I bother even packing up my stuff if the intent was to never come back?  Sorry but the reason people 'pack up' is to actually keep their stuff on the off chance of coming back.  I reopened 3/5 accounts which I pay for every month, when I had the 5 accounts open I also paid EVERY month for those, not every 90 days like some.  I gave my castles and luna plots to friends instead of selling them for rl dollars which I was offered but declined. I also had an agreement with one of the friends to have a castle returned to me if I returned seeing as I gave them 2 castles and a luna spot. 

If I go back to 'wow'  all my stuff is there as well, as I left it.  Frankly if I had to lose all my stuff then I would NEVER have even come back. 

The reason people pack up is that it has always been the case that it is preserved if you come back, guarantee you if it wasnt the case and people had to start from scratch the majority of returnees wouldn't bother returning.

Plase be so kind to underline the UO general PRE-EJ TOS passage in which it is ASSURED that a player returning to the game (as EJer or as resubber) after NOT PAYING for ANY period of time over the 90 days of "House NO-IDOC-bonus" will find ANY of its Chars/Stuff, or a similar passage in ANY OTHER MMORPG TOS.
Nothing against you personally, of course, but it seems to me that there are some irrealistic expectations about this point.
I returned to UO after some years "leave of absence", and was favorably impressed to find my chars AND my bank box content untouched, I cryed for my lost houses & stuff in them, but I NEVER considerd myself entitled to it, considering that, as said, I DIDN'T PAY A DIME during my absence, and that preserving the data costed instead BS some money, even if a minimal amount.
Had I returnded as a FREE PLAY EJer instead of as subber and had not found ANY of my stuff/chars, I would never have dreamed of protesting, let's figure if the only limitations were the ones that have EJ storage as it is now, but that's me of course (and, believe me, I have no problem to protest when I feel wronged... 😂 ).
That said I too believe that, considering that BS de facto apparently is so kind to store the data even of closed NON PAYING accounts, EJ should include at least some amount of secure storage, even if minimal, and that the original limitation for returning ex-subbers of an "only out" access to their BB was IMO reasonable. But I don't feel entitled to it.

I.

Dude you're just arguing for the sake of argument.

Garth_Grey said:

Dude you're just arguing for the sake of argument.

So more or less what u normally do?  😂

When EJ was proposed it was stated that returning players could look into their bank boxes and take stuff out but not put stuff in.  It was also stated that they would be able to rent storage vaults.  It was also stated that EJ accounts could use pack animals but it was never stated that EJ accounts could not ride blue bugs when they had items in them.  Again UO publishes something with a we will fix it later attitude and they wounder why people just shake their head and walk away.  RTB never had no restrictions and guess what people UO survived.  Without some type of storage EJ is domed from the get go.  These 3 things need to be corrected ASAP as in yesterday not SOON

SOON = Someday.  Problem is:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwNuQulK6N0

Bilbo said:

When EJ was proposed it was stated that returning players could look into their bank boxes and take stuff out but not put stuff in.  It was also stated that they would be able to rent storage vaults.  It was also stated that EJ accounts could use pack animals but it was never stated that EJ accounts could not ride blue bugs when they had items in them. 

Probably because it's a non issue.

Anyone who has been affected by this, I will happily refund them their 1600 oak logs.

Regards

Mervyn said:

Bilbo said:

When EJ was proposed it was stated that returning players could look into their bank boxes and take stuff out but not put stuff in.  It was also stated that they would be able to rent storage vaults.  It was also stated that EJ accounts could use pack animals but it was never stated that EJ accounts could not ride blue bugs when they had items in them. 

Probably because it's a non issue.

Anyone who has been affected by this, I will happily refund them their 1600 oak logs.

Regards

Shows you how much you know.  I guess you and the other one determines what happens in UO.

I think the message in the OP has been received.