Stable Slots increase, why there is a limit to purchase only 7 ?

I was reading the UO Wiki at https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/skills/animal-taming/pets-ownership/ and when it mentions the Stable Slots increases that can be purchased from the UO Store, it mentions

A stable slot increase token is available from Ultima Store at a cost of 500 sovereigns, this increases stable capacity by 3 slots. Up to 7 such tokens may be applied to any one character, taking the maximum possible total from all sources to 42.

I do not get it. If a player is willing to spend and purchase more then 7 Tokens, which it would be revenues for Ultima Online, why make this not possible ?

From talking to other Tamers in the game, I hear that it is not uncommon that Tamers have to make additional Tamers to "make up" for more Stable Slots.... why then not permit to Tamers to actually increase their Stable Slots without a purchase limit and, in doing this, provide more resources to Ultima Online ?

Often, when a player is trying to get a better pet, they also get "better then average" tames which are not their target but still, they do not feel to just release them.... and so they park them in the stables, in case they might want to use them in the future or give to a friend or new player...

Of course, doing this on multiple pets, especially now that pets have been specialized (not all pets are good for all hunts so, it is necessary to have a large variety of pets for a large variety of different necessities....), easily adds up and the Tamer, eventually, ends up with way more pets that their Stables can hold....

I think I seem to remember of a Tamer spawning close to 100 of the same pet in order to get a good one... of course, several of those tames which were not the very best, but still good ones and above average, ended up being stabled "just in case", and thus, filling the Stables up....

I honestly do not get it.

We play the game for fun, Tamers need pets to play, if a Tamer's Stables is filled up, they have problems playing their Tamer and this surely does not help enjoying playing the game.....

The purchase at the UOStore of Stable Slots increases, brings revenues to Ultima Online so, why not lift the 7 increases limitations (or make it a very large one, if needs be, like 50 or so...) and thus help tamers enjoy their template more and so also bring more revenues to the game ?

@Mesanna , can you please do this ?

Thanks.

Strangely, my tamer doesn't have 42 slots, nor do I feel the need to have them.  I can only use one pet at once, and some of the pets I do have haven't been out of the stable in months.

In the situation you describe, taming pets that aren't quite what I wanted, I have a pet stall in Magincia I can sell them on. Or to be absolutely truthful, I have two. One in Tram and one in Fel.

Petra_Fyde said:

Strangely, my tamer doesn't have 42 slots, nor do I feel the need to have them.  I can only use one pet at once, and some of the pets I do have haven't been out of the stable in months.

In the situation you describe, taming pets that aren't quite what I wanted, I have a pet stall in Magincia I can sell them on. Or to be absolutely truthful, I have two. One in Tram and one in Fel.

I understand but still, there might be Tamers out there who, instead, might feel differently....

I mean, if there is Tamers out there who have additional Tamers to increase their Stable Slots capacity, I would imagine that there is this need, at least in some Tamers.....

Since the purchase of Stable Slots increases at the UOStore brings Revenues to Ultima Online, I do not understand why the 7 purchases limit.... removing it or making it way higher, if a limit needs be, would accomodate both the needs of some Tamers who need more Stable Slots, whatever their reasons, AND also increase the Revenues to Ultima Online.

Once again you think you speak for others, you DON'T, so create a poll and let us decide

I assume you have plenty of stable slots as you refuse to tame a cu already....

as for this.:
"Since the purchase of Stable Slots increases at the UOStore brings Revenues to Ultima Online, I do not understand why the 7 purchases limit.... removing it or making it way higher, if a limit needs be, would accomodate both the needs of some Tamers who need more Stable Slots, whatever their reasons, AND also increase the Revenues to Ultima Online."

What??

Are you on another or your random self serving drone fest?

Email mesanna every time you think of something see what happens. WE do not need to be exposed to your every random ideas Popps. This is not YOUR personal idea forum.  

what's next? Alchemy, camping?

You made your vampire yet? how about you spend time doing that.

If someone has a gazillion pets in the stable then they need to start filtering the out. how on earth can 42 slot not be enough?  I run about 12 tamers on multiple shards and have NEVER run out of room

JackFlashUk said:

Once again you think you speak for others, you DON'T, so create a poll and let us decide

I assume you have plenty of stable slots as you refuse to tame a cu already....

as for this.:
"Since the purchase of Stable Slots increases at the UOStore brings Revenues to Ultima Online, I do not understand why the 7 purchases limit.... removing it or making it way higher, if a limit needs be, would accomodate both the needs of some Tamers who need more Stable Slots, whatever their reasons, AND also increase the Revenues to Ultima Online."

What??

Are you on another or your random self serving drone fest?

Email mesanna every time you think of something see what happens. WE do not need to be exposed to your every random ideas Popps. This is not YOUR personal idea forum.  

what's next? Alchemy, camping?

You made your vampire yet? how about you spend time doing that.

If someone has a gazillion pets in the stable then they need to start filtering the out. how on earth can 42 slot not be enough?  I run about 12 tamers on multiple shards and have NEVER run out of room

I imagine that those who do not enjoy reading my Threads or posts, whatever their reasons, have the option to choose not to read them in the first place, rather then reading them and then commenting on them....

Right ?

On this topic, I frankly do not understand why there should be a limit on players' purchases of Stable Slots increases when it could help that Tamer willing to purchase those Stable Slots AND, it would at the same time also increase Revenues to Ultima Online.

Sure, there likely are Tamers who do not need to purchase Stable Slots increases, but there can also be other Tamers who, instead, might want to purchase them and this, beyond the 7 Stable Slots increases limit.

I do not see why this should not be allowed when it could make more players happy and bring more revenues to Ultima Online.

ok, let me ask you these questions
1. Does this restriction affect YOU in any way?
2. Are 42 slots not enough for you?

This thread just seems hypothetical. You think a tamer somewhere out there needs more than 42 slots so you made a thread for that tamer, whoever they are, if they exist. 

JackFlashUk said:

ok, let me ask you these questions
1. Does this restriction affect YOU in any way?
2. Are 42 slots not enough for you?

It does.

I like to keep multiple of pets to try out several combinations of builds but often lack the time to pursue them all the way to the end so, many pets remain "unfinished" and a work in progress for better times with more playing time at hand.... that fills up the stables pretty quick...... besides, I am not running all the time Veterinary and the Taming Mastery so, I have less slots then that with only Animal Taming and Lore.

I do NOT like to have to put on Veterinary or the Animal Taming Mastery (and then have to wait 30 minutes to swap to another Mastery which I would prefer) in order to take a pet out of the Stables or put one in there....

So, I had to make another Tamer to park those "less used" pets, just for stabling purposes but, this is annoying also since, of course, each transfer in between Tamers unbonds the pet....

Everything would be much more enjoyable, and Ultima Online would cash in extra resources from me, if I could keep purchasing Stable Slots increases as I need them, without a limit.

And, if a limit needs be, as I mentioned, for whatever reason, at least make it a really high one, like 50 tokens or so...

Honestly, I do not understand what is the point to aggravate "some" Tamers gaming life by enforcing the 7 Stable Slots increases limit when lifting it could, hopefully, not only make "some" Tamers' lives more enjoyable in regards to their Stable slots capacity, but also provide more revenues to Ultima Online in the process....

Ok @popps - Please post your stable slot screen with 42 pets. I highly doubt that you actually have that many slots even available - let alone have 42 usable pets (7 cats and dogs wouldn't classify as usable). 

You do know that the Devs do not want players hoarding right? That goes for items and pets. 

You did not answer my questions so I will try again. I know this is a tactic you use all the time, create a post then ignore questions and answers and debate to death the smallest detail


1. Does this restriction affect YOU in any way? 
2. Are 42 slots not enough for you?

@popps ;
Do you have even one fully trained pet?

popps said:

I imagine that those who do not enjoy reading my Threads or posts, whatever their reasons, have the option to choose not to read them in the first place, rather then reading them and then commenting on them....

You are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG  We do have to read and respond to them because if we do not then the powers that be might thing that you have a good idea because we didn't say anything.

There are people that collect pets and if you did what you suggest then UO would lose money because there would be no reason to have more accounts to hold all their pets so your point has been totally debunked.

As his theory has been proven %10000000000000 WRONG this thread needs to be locked.

Bilbo said:

popps said:

I imagine that those who do not enjoy reading my Threads or posts, whatever their reasons, have the option to choose not to read them in the first place, rather then reading them and then commenting on them....

There are people that collect pets and if you did what you suggest then UO would lose money because there would be no reason to have more accounts to hold all their pets so your point has been totally debunked.

Aside from the fact that a single account can have up to 7 different characters and, thus, multiple tamers, if wanted, on ONE single account (that is, no need to have to make a separate account for extra Stable Slots, one would only need an EJ Tamer or an ingame friend as a middleman to Transfer pets between Tamers on the same one account....), Endless Journey accounts can use Stables, obviously, so, it would be a trivial thing to make additional Tamers either on one's own subscribed account or on an Endless Journey account and, thus, have a larger Stable Slots capacity times how many Tamers one makes.....

I am afraid that you proved no theory as wrong, sorry.... and my point fully stays....

Some Tamers might prefer to make additional tamers and so not have to spend their Sovereigns on Stable Slots increase tokens, but some other Tamers might instead prefer to just have all their pets on their 1 Tamer Stables, regardless how many they might be....

And Ultima Online, WOULD get more resources in the process....

Why would we want to reduce the amount of Resources that Ultima Online can receive from the sale of additional Stable Slots increases "beyond" the 7 tokens limit per Tamer's character ?

JackFlashUk said:

You did not answer my questions so I will try again. I know this is a tactic you use all the time, create a post then ignore questions and answers and debate to death the smallest detail


1. Does this restriction affect YOU in any way? 
2. Are 42 slots not enough for you?

Regardless that you like my answer or not, I did answer to you here https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/52311/#Comment_52311 , no need to answer again. If you do not like my answer, it is not my problem.

2. Are 42 slots not enough for you?

show us a screen shot of your stables, as also requested by Kevin2002

i don't always agree with popps, but this I have to agree.
I DO have 42 slots and I am always running out of space.
I train up pets and give to my other tamer on Sonoma.
And recently I had a friend take a bunch of them to Atlantic for me
for my tamers there.

I currently have 2 spaces open, but i keep that open so I can tame
giant beetles for my vendor. 

this is a hoarders game and yes I hoard pets.
And no i don't have them all trained up.
there are different pets for different situations.
And there isn't enough time in the day,
for me to do everything I need to do in UO.

I can always buy more slots for my other tamers, 
but I would prefer more slots for my main char.

keven2002 said:

Ok @ popps - Please post your stable slot screen with 42 pets. I highly doubt that you actually have that many slots even available - let alone have 42 usable pets (7 cats and dogs wouldn't classify as usable). 

You do know that the Devs do not want players hoarding right? That goes for items and pets. 

It is pointless that I post a screen of my Stables because, if I wanted, even if my Stable was empty, I could buy 42 horses, rename them to whatever tameables I wanted and take a screen shot...

You can trust me or not, again, not my problem....

The point here is enhancing gameplay for Tamers AND, in the process, also secure MORE Revenues for Ultima Online.

The Developers may not want hoarding but, I imagine, they realize that increasing Revenues for Ultima Online is an important issue to keep the game alive and going....

As of now, players can STILL hoard pets, they only need to make more Tamers as they go... and use those Tamers' extra slots.... the one at loss here, is only Ultima Online that suffers a reduction of Revenues since all those Tamers who might be willing to purchase additional extra Stable Slots tokens, are currently barred to do it and, thus, keep their pets' hoarding habits by making additional Tamers which brings nothing to Ultima Online in terms of additional Revenues...

What I am saying is, that since, obviously, it cannot be prevented to players to make as many Tamers as they want, it is not possible to stop them from having as many pets in their multiple Tamers' Stables as they may like.

At least, make Ultima Online benefit from this players' behaviour and make Revenues from it.... remove the 7 Stable Slots increase limitation and make additional Revenues from all those Tamers who will prefer, rather then create additional Tamers, to keep purchase Stable Slots increase Tokens beyond the current limit of 7.

popps said:

Bilbo said:

popps said:

I imagine that those who do not enjoy reading my Threads or posts, whatever their reasons, have the option to choose not to read them in the first place, rather then reading them and then commenting on them....

There are people that collect pets and if you did what you suggest then UO would lose money because there would be no reason to have more accounts to hold all their pets so your point has been totally debunked.

Aside from the fact that a single account can have up to 7 different characters and, thus, multiple tamers, if wanted, on ONE single account (that is, no need to have to make a separate account for extra Stable Slots, one would only need an EJ Tamer or an ingame friend as a middleman to Transfer pets between Tamers on the same one account....), Endless Journey accounts can use Stables, obviously, so, it would be a trivial thing to make additional Tamers either on one's own subscribed account or on an Endless Journey account and, thus, have a larger Stable Slots capacity times how many Tamers one makes.....

I am afraid that you proved no theory as wrong, sorry.... and my point fully stays....

Some Tamers might prefer to make additional tamers and so not have to spend their Sovereigns on Stable Slots increase tokens, but some other Tamers might instead prefer to just have all their pets on their 1 Tamer Stables, regardless how many they might be....

And Ultima Online, WOULD get more resources in the process....

Why would we want to reduce the amount of Resources that Ultima Online can receive from the sale of additional Stable Slots increases "beyond" the 7 tokens limit per Tamer's character ?

WRONG WRONG WRONG because to get them to another Tamer you need a 2nd account and having 7 Tamers on the same account/shard debunks your need to have the devs make spawns for more players.  Good try to make an account all the same and countradicting your WHINE about diversity

Cinderella said:

i don't always agree with popps, but this I have to agree.
I DO have 42 slots and I am always running out of space.
I train up pets and give to my other tamer on Sonoma.
And recently I had a friend take a bunch of them to Atlantic for me
for my tamers there.

I currently have 2 spaces open, but i keep that open so I can tame
giant beetles for my vendor. 

this is a hoarders game and yes I hoard pets.
And no i don't have them all trained up.
there are different pets for different situations.
And there isn't enough time in the day,
for me to do everything I need to do in UO.

I can always buy more slots for my other tamers, 
but I would prefer more slots for my main char.

Exactly.

We have in the game pack animals, using the pack instinct, and then we have some Tamers also enjoying taking small creatures to see how far they can train them up....

It is easy to fill up one's own Stables with untrained pets, 5x 1 slot pack animals, weird pets which one tamed just out of fun etc. etc.

Rather then forcing players to have to make multiple Tamers in order to accomodate for all their pets' needs, why not just lift the 7 Stable Slots token limitation and, thus, make it possible for Ultima Online to make additional Revenues from all that ?

Or, if a limit "has to exist", for whatever reason, just make it a really high one, say 50 Stable Slots tokens, and thus hardly ever affect any UO tamer, really....

To me, it would only make sense and would be a good thing for both some of Ultima Online Tamers and for the game itself, which would benefit from the extra Revenues.

Just create another tamer and gives us a break.

Or open another account with a tamer

Aayla said:

Just create another tamer and gives us a break.

As I said, those who do not enjoy reading my posts/threads can sure not read them....

I'd rather see Broadsword lift (or largely increase) the current 7 Stable Slots increase Tokens limitation so that Ultima Online can benefit from more Revenues, rather then me or other players having the need for more Stable slots have to make extra Tamers, and then see Ultima Online loose potential Revenues because of that........

From a purely economic point of view I would guess (pure guesswork, but logical?) The best way for Ultima Online to benefit from revenues for both this problem and your other often brought up 'storage' problem, housing, is 'Open more accounts'. 
Compare, stable slot increase tokens to regularly occurring subscription payments on an additional account. No contest. 

with just one more pet paragons would no longer be an issue......

I have 5 tamers with max slots, none have 42 because I only have 110 or 115 vet.

It is a game, it has rules. Learn to adapt to the rules.

Petra_Fyde said:

From a purely economic point of view I would guess (pure guesswork, but logical?) The best way for Ultima Online to benefit from revenues for both this problem and your other often brought up 'storage' problem, housing, is 'Open more accounts'. 
Compare, stable slot increase tokens to regularly occurring subscription payments on an additional account. No contest. 

Not a viable option I am afraid.

Even if Endless Journey accounts where to be taken away the ability to Stable pets, which would make no sense to me when the purpose is that of having players actually ENJOY playing in Ultima Online so much to then transform that Endless Journey account into a subscribed account (and when playing a Tamer one needs to be able to have various Tameables to really enjoy and experience the gameplay of a Tamer in Ultima Online in full...so, it is necessary to provide Stables to EJ accounts and, infact, this is how it is now.....), but "even if", let's assume for sake of the discussion, this would not stop players to be able to use any of the 7 characters on their 1 subscribed account to make another Tamer, or 2 or 3 .... and thus have "free" more Stable slots times 2, times 3, etc.

It would only need to have an EJ Tamer to use as a middleman to transfer pets from Tamer 1 of one's own account to Tamer 2 of the same account or 3 or 4 ....

It is not possible to stop a subscribed account to have 7 Tamers in their Account with 7 different Stables if so that player wanted, I am afraid.... no need whatsoever to have to open a 2nd subscribed account....

So, is my point, since it is something which cannot be avoided, why not at least have Ultima Online be able to benefit from selling "more" Stable Slots increase Tokens "beyond" the current limit of 7 to those players who might want to spend their money on them ?

Is it better to loose Revenues for UO or to make more Revenues if I may ask ?

continuing to post self serving statements disguised as questions serves no purpose at least that's how i see it 

Pawain said:

I have 5 tamers with max slots, none have 42 because I only have 110 or 115 vet.

It is a game, it has rules. Learn to adapt to the rules.

Well, if things were always set in stone and unchageable, mankind would still be living in its stone age.....

There is always enhancements, changes, improvements, nothing is set in stone forever if making a change can make things better....

And this change (removing the 7 Stable Slots increase limitation), to my opinion, would be a good change since it would be in favour of those players willing to spend their money on purchasing more Stable Slots increase Tokens, and would bring more Revenues to Ultima Online.

A Win Win change for both the players interested and for Ultima Online.

Out of curiosity, did you make those 5 Tamers because 1 Stable was not enough for your pets and you needed 5 ?

If so, then why not permit to players to purchase as many Stable Slots increase Tokens as they may want (and thus bring additional Revenues to Ultima Online by doing that) and have all their pets in 1 Tamer Stable, rather then have them split across X Tamers for free, without Ultima Online benefitting from this ?

@Kyronix.  See what I mean, dudes a troll. 
How about this Poops, let's petition them to fix and reintroduce stable fees. Make them really high! A gold sink! You complain about insurance money, this would really tick ya off!

jelinidas said:

@ Kyronix.  See what I mean, dudes a troll. 
How about this Poops, let's petition them to fix and reintroduce stable fees. Make them really high! A gold sink! You complain about insurance money, this would really tick ya off!

Stable fees where taken out for a reason and, this, when Ultima Online had a larger playerbase as now. Lots of players complained and did not like them, and they were finally removed.

I do not think that changes that were to aggravate players and deter them from playing the game would do much good to Ultima Online towards maintaining a good and sustainable playersbase for Ultima Online.....

Honestly, I do not understand why anyone would be against lifting the current limitations of only 7 Stable Slots increase tokens as purchaseable...

Posters in this Thread keep asking me to motivate my being in favour of lifting this limitation, which I gave with reasonable arguments, but these same Posters have not given, to my opinion, a motivation that I could agree on about why they would not favour the removal of this limitation which could potentially bring more Revenues to Ultima Online along with helping out the gameplay of those players willing to spend their money on Stable Slots beyond the 7 Tokens limit.

Actually, if you check your journal, you will find that it says "I charge 30 gold per pet. I will withdraw it from thy bank account. Which animal wouldst thou like to stable here?'

Also it is perfectly possible to transfer pets from one character to another through use of a Magincia stall. All characters on the account have access to the stall owned by the account, and provided the character has the skill required you can put the animal on the stall with one character and take it off with the other. Admitted on some shards all Tram stalls are taken, but even on Atlantic there are unoccupied stalls in Fel.

The limit on stable slot tokens was set at 7. I'm sure there was a reason for that number and not 5 or 8 or 10. If they were to raise the limit to 10, will you be back here in another 12 months asking them to raise it to 15? or 20?  They raised the house storage by 20%, then a further 20%, now it's at 60% and you want it raised again. Somewhere, sometime the answer has to be no, and as I told my children many times when they were small, no means no, not maybe if you ask often enough.

Petra_Fyde said:

Actually, if you check your journal, you will find that it says "I charge 30 gold per pet. I will withdraw it from thy bank account. Which animal wouldst thou like to stable here?'

Also it is perfectly possible to transfer pets from one character to another through use of a Magincia stall. All characters on the account have access to the stall owned by the account, and provided the character has the skill required you can put the animal on the stall with one character and take it off with the other. Admitted on some shards all Tram stalls are taken, but even on Atlantic there are unoccupied stalls in Fel.

The limit on stable slot tokens was set at 7. I'm sure there was a reason for that number and not 5 or 8 or 10. If they were to raise the limit to 10, will you be back here in another 12 months asking them to raise it to 15? or 20?  They raised the house storage by 20%, then a further 20%, now it's at 60% and you want it raised again. Somewhere, sometime the answer has to be no, and as I told my children many times when they were small, no means no, not maybe if you ask often enough.

Over time, things change, necessities increase, modify...

We do not live in a static World, but in an always changing one and we need to always adjust the rules to a changing World to keep up with its changing.

That is valid in the Real World where legislation changes all the time to accomodate changing necessities of its citizens, and so I think it is, or should be, in our digital World of Ultima Online.

We keep getting new items, new collectibles, new Pets and this is understandable since it is necessary to keep players interested in logging in in Ultima Online where these items and pets are many of the reasons for players to actually want to log in and spend time in it.

Yet, this has the result to create storage issues in players be them with items or pets.

Hence, to my viewing, the need to change "old", now outdated rules, to accomodate new, "modern", increased needs.

It has nothing to do about children and their askings, it has plenty to do about changed needs and a different environment to the one for which those old, and now outdated rules, were made for.....

And, I can't help not also noticing, the advancement of technology and availability of more bandwith over these years have also made it cheaper and more possible, to my understanding, the introduction of changes that were to increase storage for players.

At least, that is how I see it.

MissE said:

What the hell difference does it make to anyone how many pets a tamer has in their stable?  Please tell me how it affects anyone else? 

That is a very good point.

All these nay sayers have not explained how, if the 7 Stable Slots increase was to be lifted, this would affect negatively their gameplay.

That there might be players willing to spend their own money on Stable Slots increase Tokens beyond the current limit of 7, why would they care when this would not affect them ?

To the contrary, the fact that Ultima Online could benefit from additional Revenues from these extra sales, this would actually help them along side with all other players since more Revenues for Ultima Online means more bugs taken care, more new content being able to be done and so forth.

Franky, it is inexplicable to me why anyone would be against lifting this limitation.

After I filled up 31 slots I realized I had a pet hoarding problem. I was never going to get around to training or using that many pets.  I was able to sell a few pets using a stall. Then I got rid of all but 5 of the remaining ones by releasing them in the stalls at the Britain stables.

TimSt said:

After I filled up 31 slots I realized I had a pet hoarding problem. I was never going to get around to training or using that many pets.  I was able to sell a few pets using a stall. Then I got rid of all but 5 of the remaining ones by releasing them in the stalls at the Britain stables.

I see two issues within this issue 
1. it was popps idea and for whatever reason popps ideas are not well received...
2. it might or might not be an actual issue even if it is with our limited team is it worth spending any time or effort on .. 

@popps - You have already been rebutted several times with valid points and you refuse to recognize them. 1) you didn't show a simple pic of your stable slots bc you don't even have close to 42. 2) your claim about the profit of Broadsword was debunked because a 1 time payment of $5 for a token is much less than a reoccurring $12 monthly charge for people to have extra accounts with multiple tamers if they want 100+ pets. If you really want to support Broadsword then make 2 tamers and buy up the max 42 slots; if you don't have a second tamer then buy a mythic token while you are at it.

Personally I have almost 30 on my tamer and I probably use a max of 6 pets regularly. The other 24 or so sit in the stable collecting dust and might be taken out once every 6 months to feed and remember why I don't use it for anything before I put it back in the stable for another 6 months.

I have yet to see someone post a pic of 42 slots being used. While @MissE has a point about having the same pets with different abilities for different situations, that only goes so far because people that are legit about using a specific pet for a specific encounter aren't going to bother owning a pet like a k'rin with chiv/AI.  Her complaint is that she doesn't have enough spots to sell pets she gathers which can be handled via Mag Stables and if you want to sell Tritons either make room to pop them and sell or sell the statue on a vendor; either way that's not a problem about "having so many different pets to use and not enough space"; that's the problem with wanting to have a bunch of stable pets while also wanting to sell them. 

McDougle said:

I see two issues within this issue 
1. it was popps idea and for whatever reason popps ideas are not well received...
2. it might or might not be an actual issue even if it is with our limited team is it worth spending any time or effort on .. 

How much work could be needed to simply lift whatever line of code is there to block players to make use of any Stable Slot increase Token past the 7th ?

And, should there be too much work involved, maybe it would be still a lot easy to just change the digit " 7 " in whatever code is there to limit the use of any Stable Slot increase Token to, say, "50 " or " 100 " ?

Would that be really "that" much of work needed ?

Considering the extra Revenues which Ultima Online could gather, perhaps, it would be some work worth the effort ? Maybe ?

@popps the answer to your questions must be yes as they have limited them  maybe for once just accept this and not press for whatever answer you seek ???

keven2002 said:

You have already been rebutted several times with valid points and you refuse to recognize them. 

I saw no valid points, to my opinion, being rebutted at me.
But again, opinions are opinions so, that is just a point of view good as any else....

1) you didn't show a simple pic of your stable slots bc you don't even have close to 42.

It is pointless, as I indicated.
Even if my Stables were totally empty, with zero pets in, I could buy 42 Horses, rename them to whatever pets I like and take a screenshot of that. Would that prove anything ? It would not.

One either can trust me or not, this is not my problem as I said.
Furthermore, there have been other players in this Thread indicating how clearly they had to have multiple Tamers to accomodate their Stables' needs as 1 was not enough....

Do not feel trusting me, at least these other players might be trusted.... Whether it is or not "my" problem the argument is that it "can be" some players' problem and, as these other players have mentioned that they had to make several Tamers to be able to accomodate all of their pets' Stabling needs, this should show that there indeed is a 

2) your claim about the profit of Broadsword was debunked because a 1 time payment of $5 for a token is much less than a reoccurring $12 monthly charge for people to have extra accounts with multiple tamers if they want 100+ pets. If you really want to support Broadsword then make 2 tamers and buy up the max 42 slots; if you don't have a second tamer then buy a mythic token while you are at it.

I already answered to that here https://forum.uo.com/discussion/comment/52337/#Comment_52337 . Not going to write it all back again.....

Personally I have almost 30 on my tamer and I probably use a max of 6 pets regularly. The other 24 or so sit in the stable collecting dust and might be taken out once every 6 months to feed and remember why I don't use it for anything before I put it back in the stable for another 6 months.

That is your playing style.... different players have different playing styles and enjoy playing the game differently.

Considering that the lifting of the 7 Stable Slots increase Tokens limit would not affect players who do not have the need to purchase them, but would help those players instead willing to spend their money on the purchase of Stable Slot increase Tokens beyond 7, and provide additional Revenues to Ultima Online along with that, I do not see why players who would not be affected by this even care at all that such a limit was to be lifted....

I have yet to see someone post a pic of 42 slots being used. While @ MissE has a point about having the same pets with different abilities for different situations, that only goes so far because people that are legit about using a specific pet for a specific encounter aren't going to bother owning a pet like a k'rin with chiv/AI.  Her complaint is that she doesn't have enough spots to sell pets she gathers which can be handled via Mag Stables and if you want to sell Tritons either make room to pop them and sell or sell the statue on a vendor; either way that's not a problem about "having so many different pets to use and not enough space"; that's the problem with wanting to have a bunch of stable pets while also wanting to sell them. 

Again, that some players do not feel the need for something, does not mean that other players, instead, would not think otherwise and, instead, do feel the need for that one thing....

Some players want to play in a given way, other players want to play in a different way.
If there is players who have an issue with Stable Slots increases limitation to 7 Tokens, and this affects their gameplay as it is clear to me from reading these players' Posts, I think that the issue should indeed be addressed by lifting this limitation or, if needs be, for some particular reason, at least raise the number to a really large one, say 50 or more...

Other players who do not have the same issue would not be affected by this. They will still stay with their stable as it is, or use multiple Stables with multiple Tamers, and would not purchase any Stable Slot increase Token.

Those players who, instead, want to concentrate all of their pets on a single Tamer and have the need for a very Large Stable, would instead have the option to do this if the 7 Stable Slots Increase Tokens limit was to be lifted or largely increased, if this needs be for whatever reason.

UO does NOT make money off of stable slots, EA does.  UO collects no money what so ever, EA does.  Anything that changes how much money EA receives needs to be take to EA NOT UO.  If Tamers had 125 pets slots then they may consider closing down accounts that have Tamers on them just to hold pets and that WILL cost EA money, so to answer your question, it don't matter what you want when it comes to EA losing money and unless you are EA than you have zero argument you could post here and you need to take it up with EA not UO.  Good Night @popps

Bilbo said:

UO does NOT make money off of stable slots, EA does.  UO collects no money what so ever, EA does.  Anything that changes how much money EA receives needs to be take to EA NOT UO.  If Tamers had 125 pets slots then they may consider closing down accounts that have Tamers on them just to hold pets and that WILL cost EA money, so to answer your question, it don't matter what you want when it comes to EA losing money and unless you are EA than you have zero argument you could post here and you need to take it up with EA not UO.  Good Night @ popps

Well, regardless on "who" gets the money that players spend related to Ultima Online, "if" there was no money spent by players related to Ultima Online or it was not sufficient enough, one would imagine that Ultima Online would no longer be kept going.....

So, one would imagine, regardless on "who" gets whatever money would come from the sale of extra Stable Slots increase Tokens if the limit of 7 was to be lifted, it would still benefit Ultima Online and, thus, all the players that play it....

@popps - I stopped reading after you yet again refuse to backup your claim because what I'm asking is "pointless" when in fact it isn't. Prove that you have already purchased max stable slots; even if they are all bogus pets like cats/dogs/horses you are at least showing you are maxed out. 

Your claim on stable slots is like me saying we should get housing spaces bigger than a castle plot because I think people should be able to place houses as large as they want... and then refusing to show you that I even have a castle to begin with (ie it's pointless to show you that I'm making a valid request based on actual facts) then the entire argument is a moot point. Fact of the matter is that even IF the claim is valid (which you STILL have not proven) how much does this really help the majority of people and does it make sense. AKA you are just arguing to argue as per usual, completely disregarding anything people say to state your unbased opinion.

My opinion is that you should learn to play within the game mechanics and stop wasting the Devs time with unrealistic requests for the phantom majority you speak of. I agree with an earlier post that you should just put a poll up and be done with it. Stop trolling. 

Pets are tamer's weapons, like a sampire can have infinite weapons imbued, I wish tamers had just no limit of pets in the stable, the fact they put a limit and we have to buy separate space from tokens is beyond me.

quickblade said:

Pets are tamer's weapons, like a sampire can have infinite weapons imbued, I wish tamers had just no limit of pets in the stable, the fact they put a limit and we have to buy separate space from tokens is beyond me.

Except for sampires DO have a limit regarding your backpack. Backpacks can only hold 125items or 600 stones. So increasing past 42 stable slots is like a sampire saying they should be able to carry as much in their pack as they want. 

So yea let's get rid of those limits too so I can carry 4 different suits, 40 different weapons, and 20 different jewels on top of all of the loot I get. Once they do that we can boost the stable slot per tamer to 200. 

Not an issue.
If for some reason you think it is may I point out Magincia Pet Vendors.

keven2002 said:

So yea let's get rid of those limits too so I can carry 4 different suits, 40 different weapons, and 20 different jewels on top of all of the loot I get. Once they do that we can boost the stable slot per tamer to 200. 

You can hold all of that, and more, in your house. I cannot store my teams of pack instinct animals in my house despite how much I would desperately like my villa to be full of cats.

@keven2002 I didnt know you had a limit of weapons, cant your house and bank together store enought weapons for your likes ?

This an example of how to shoot yourself in the foot for no good reason whatsoever. UO taming has been one of the biggest draws to the game for thousands of players. People used to spend years searching for the perfect GD. Now there is more variety and even more opportunity for players to occupy themselves. So, on one hand, BS creates a new taming mechanic that can potentially provide years of content to many many players without needing to put out all the seasonal quest chains. Basically, it's a very cheap manner (in a good way) to get a serious long term commitment from players.
And then, we get the powerscroll pandering to the PvP crowd where prices long have pierced the ceiling and are heading towards the moon. And we get the stable limits. Both of these things limit the potential play time from tamers. And while the first one, near sighted as it is, can have at least some upside to it, the stable slot limit has no reason behind it whatsoever.
It's true that plenty of players don't need 42 slots. But plenty do, and they are willing to pay for it. Why step on your own income stream is beyond me, but that's far from the only thing I fail to understand in UO.

popps said:

Bilbo said:

UO does NOT make money off of stable slots, EA does.  UO collects no money what so ever, EA does.  Anything that changes how much money EA receives needs to be take to EA NOT UO.  If Tamers had 125 pets slots then they may consider closing down accounts that have Tamers on them just to hold pets and that WILL cost EA money, so to answer your question, it don't matter what you want when it comes to EA losing money and unless you are EA than you have zero argument you could post here and you need to take it up with EA not UO.  Good Night @ popps

Well, regardless on "who" gets the money that players spend related to Ultima Online, "if" there was no money spent by players related to Ultima Online or it was not sufficient enough, one would imagine that Ultima Online would no longer be kept going.....

So, one would imagine, regardless on "who" gets whatever money would come from the sale of extra Stable Slots increase Tokens if the limit of 7 was to be lifted, it would still benefit Ultima Online and, thus, all the players that play it....

More proof that you know nothing about what you are whining about.  If EA starts to lose accounts because of players not needing more accounts to hold all their pets then EA will pull the plug on UO.  You are just recycling your WHINE about house storage but now you are using Tamers.  I remember when there were no stable slots and you could have out as many dragons that you could control at one time and Tamers did not have that many pets because they were not needed.  I knew 1 Tamer pre scrolls and slots and followers that could control 5 Dragons at once but she was constantly feeding them to keep them happy.  Yes there are a few players that push the norm on number of pets IMHO I do not thing must tamers esp with the cost of scrolls have that many pets that they store and use on a regular basis.  I use a Cu, GD or a triton depending on what I want to use and no I have not purchased any stable slots.  I am sure EA and UO know haw many Tamers are using extra slots and as these forums are just a small sampling of all the UO players then you really have zero data to support your claim.  As others have asked repeatedly please show proof that you need this done, not others, but you.  And again you are asking for what you think would benefit UO without taking into how it will effect EAs bottom line, you do know that EA owns UO not BS and that BS does what EA allows them to do.

Sliss said:

This an example of how to shoot yourself in the foot for no good reason whatsoever. UO taming has been one of the biggest draws to the game for thousands of players. People used to spend years searching for the perfect GD. Now there is more variety and even more opportunity for players to occupy themselves. So, on one hand, BS creates a new taming mechanic that can potentially provide years of content to many many players without needing to put out all the seasonal quest chains. Basically, it's a very cheap manner (in a good way) to get a serious long term commitment from players.
And then, we get the powerscroll pandering to the PvP crowd where prices long have pierced the ceiling and are heading towards the moon. And we get the stable limits. Both of these things limit the potential play time from tamers. And while the first one, near sighted as it is, can have at least some upside to it, the stable slot limit has no reason behind it whatsoever.
It's true that plenty of players don't need 42 slots. But plenty do, and they are willing to pay for it. Why step on your own income stream is beyond me, but that's far from the only thing I fail to understand in UO.

So to keep all those pets you would rather have them all on one Tamer so you could close other accounts with pet holding Tamers?  The same reasoning goes with the reason not to do it as the reasoning behind houses/banks getting more storage.  It will cost EA Accounts and accounts pay monthly not a one time deal as the storage/stable slot upgrades do.  I have 3 accounts with a Tamers on each and I also own 3 castles.  2 of my Tamers go shard hopping and I look at all the pet vendors to see if there is something that would upgrade my main Tamers pets, those 2 Tamers were made using 2 Mythic Char Tokens ($40) one time deal and they wear jewelry to make them legendary so they can buy any pet I think is an upgrade.  If I really needed more storage I could easily swap skills to another player and all that would cost is 3 PSs and a taming mastery which I have extras on a few shards when they were cheap along with the PSs.

42 x 7 = 294 pets x 3 accounts = 882 pets and yes I also have enough Soulstones to swap out all skills need on every account and alls it costs me is a little time.  Please tell me that 882 pets slots is not enough pets even for the most extreme hoarder.  How many pets do you own that you require 125 pets per player.

Closing this now.