Please answer our questions

@Kyronix @Mesanna @Bleak when are going to get any answers. Please. We’ve been pleading for nearly a week now. We just wanna know what’s going on in game? Is fel going to open, what’s going on?

We know there is a relationship between Luck and drop rate. Fel adds 1000 luck when mobs is killed. Now take a look at the luck formula on uoguide, 

Example: You wish to obtain a 50% chance of more and better loot. The Luck required to do this is:

Or, rounding up because Luck only exists in integer amounts, 1144.

Take a look at the description of glorify fortune potion:

"The potion gives you 50% bonus to all Soulbinder points (read: drop point) gained" 

Now if there is a hidden cap of this drop point bonus (let's say it's 50%, you won't expect yourself to get 1 drop for each kill if you wear 4000 luck suit right?) So what you are requesting (opening Fel) is effectively asking the Dev to give you the glorify fortune portion for free. 

This hurts the sale of glorify fortune portion, so for sure they won't open Fel on all shards. 

Aragorn said:

We know there is a relationship between Luck and drop rate. Fel adds 1000 luck when mobs is killed. Now take a look at the luck formula on uoguide, 

Example: You wish to obtain a 50% chance of more and better loot. The Luck required to do this is:

Or, rounding up because Luck only exists in integer amounts, 1144.

Take a look at the description of glorify fortune potion:

"The potion gives you 50% bonus to all Soulbinder points (read: drop point) gained" 

Now if there is a hidden cap of this drop point bonus (let's say it's 50%, you won't expect yourself to get 1 drop for each kill if you wear 4000 luck suit right?) So what you are requesting (opening Fel) is effectively asking the Dev to give you the glorify fortune portion for free. 

This hurts the sale of glorify fortune portion, so for sure they won't open Fel on all shards. 

All i'm saying is Fel increases the drop rate (by what amount we don't know) which hurts the sale of the potion (by what amount you will never know). For example for those who will buy the potion, going to Fel means they need to buy less potions now. 

So they won't open Fel on ALL shards in particularly those not really saturated like the shard I'm playing on. 

Pawain said:

Fel luck = less than my statue.

which only last for an hour

Aragorn said:

Pawain said:

Fel luck = less than my statue.

which only last for an hour

I wont be going to fel. And why do you care?  Atlantic has it with the most players.  I have used the statue and saw no difference in drops.

We need it because there are too few Mobs to kill in tram. And we just happen to have a lot of players that like to play in fel but now they are with us instead.

Not sure if it's just me, but I have feeling if they are opening Fel to ALL shards, well it may not be this event but probably next Treasure of event, we will need 400 turn ins for a 50% sdi spell book equivalent item, or 200 turn ins for a SSI equivalent item. We may all suffer in the end. That's what you need to worry even "you wont be going to Fel" and why I care. 

And i'm not opposing to open Fel to a few particular busy shards, if traffic shows load balancing is required because tram itself is too packed. But to ALL shards? that's my question even I play on a quiet shard and I will be benefited by the additional luck in the current event. 

@Aragorn ; Who is going to farm shards like Origin or Baja to get shard bound items? Who would they sell these items to?  The ppl there that are doing the event?  Maybe returners come back in 6 months and what to buy an item on Baja, Are players from Atlantic really going to farm in Baja and wait for this returner and hope they have gold?

Who is wasting time farming dead shards when they could get 10x more bang for their buck by farming Atlantic?  Someone step up and tell us who is doing that?  Bots on Origin? Selling stuff to who?  One of the 12 players on origin?

Lets get real on not make up conspiracies.

A good way to make a profit on this.  Do like I did and sell things for double points. Sell a non shard bound bandage belt for 60 points. You get two shard bound ones. 

Wearable, artifacts that affect our character templates should not be shard bound. This is especially the case for new artifacts. 

I also agree with many posters who wrote that they will not get more to sell on their small pop shard. They will become extinct soon.

- Any latecomers who missed this event may not be able to buy them.
- We will be reluctant to sell too cheap for the massive effort.
- If we sell too high, very few can afford.

Unless dev team is planning to bring them back every year or subsequent events. 

If the events are same as TOK Treasures of Khaldun, i believe most players will be more positive.

- New items like Mask of Khal Ankur are not shard bound.
- Existing items like PS are shard bound, which is ok.
- Events on both facets.

I could not recall much complaints back then. 

The new events using the new backend spawn system, should provide equal if not better, user experience. 

User feedback is important.

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Aragorn said:

All i'm saying is Fel increases the drop rate (by what amount we don't know) which hurts the sale of the potion (by what amount you will never know). For example for those who will buy the potion, going to Fel means they need to buy less potions now. 

So they won't open Fel on ALL shards in particularly those not really saturated like the shard I'm playing on. 

Aragorn, 

That's not how maths works. 

in trammel you get roughly 7 drops in 40 mins, a potion of glorious fortune adds 50%, so that's an extra 3-4 drops. 

in fel (chaining the champ spawn), you get around 40 drops in 40 mins, so that's an extra 20 drops from the potion. This makes the potion more desirable, as you get more drops from it.  

For those who say they want this event to bring..PvP 
take a look at what is happening on Atl. There is 0 pvp in the dungeon, it’s just more packed with blues than Luna.
Reason being, there is nothing to pvp over, you get 0 reward for killing the blues other than gold, you just waste your time when you could’ve spent that mana killing a mummy. 

There is little pvp on Atlantic fel deceit because there is just too many blues. On other shards tho alot of players are bored to death for lack of pvp, and it's not just about the artifacts of the three, but also for the pinks, the powerscrolls from the champ, on top of the deceit drops.

I am on the edge of closing my main accounts due to a serious lack of pvp , outside of Atlantic. 

And if anyone even finds a paragon poison elemental hard you just lure them downstairs out of the spawn and wow they won't respawn. 

But i mean keep trying to convince the devs that it wont be botted and i will be here proving you wrong everytime.

I can't see any reason to block up just one small event on one facet, if the dev admit that is the way they plan to handle scripting. Is this their official reason or mere guessing by some players?

If that is the reason they are not turning on Fel, are they going to shut down the whole game because scripting is out of control? I don't think scripting is the reason why they are not opening up Fel.

On my low pop shards I have seen players with accounts closed by UO due to cheats. There are those who macro unattended during TOT and was given warning. I don't think cheats are out of control. When you see someone suspected of scripting or cheating, can you take screenshot and report?  

Seth said:

I can't see any reason to block up just one small event on one facet, if the dev admit that is the way they plan to handle scripting. Is this their official reason or mere guessing by some players?

If that is the reason they are not turning on Fel, are they going to shut down the whole game because scripting is out of control? I don't think scripting is the reason why they are not opening up Fel.

On my low pop shards I have seen players with accounts closed by UO due to cheats. There are those who macro unattended during TOT and was given warning. I don't think cheats are out of control. When you see someone suspected of scripting or cheating, can you take screenshot and report?  

Honestly there’s not even a reason to script this event anyway. People would script and bring items to atl to sell, that’s not the case in this event. No ones going to script 300 items on origins to sell on origins for an arm and a leg. No one is going to script the event on LS in the slightest but that seems to be everyone’s argument against it 

tasty your Scripting point is ridiculous and yeah pvp outside atlantic is 10x better

Seth said:

I can't see any reason to block up just one small event on one facet, if the dev admit that is the way they plan to handle scripting. Is this their official reason or mere guessing by some players?

Based on soft launch metrics the participation in Felucca was very low.

https://forums.uo.com/discussion/comment/47678/#Comment_47678
They monitored, and adjusted for the numbers in Atlantic. I assume they are similarly monitoring the other shards.

@Mariah, that is a cop out. What percent even test anything (players and devs!). What percent of players come to these forums. I see it as writing on the wall. Production shards will be getting ignored. The money we pay is the same. Content should be the same. Another poor decision by this team just to piss off the few players we have left.

Mariah said:

Seth said:

I can't see any reason to block up just one small event on one facet, if the dev admit that is the way they plan to handle scripting. Is this their official reason or mere guessing by some players?

It's guessing. Kyronix gave the reason for Fel not being included in the initial launch

Based on soft launch metrics the participation in Felucca was very low.

https://forums.uo.com/discussion/comment/47678/#Comment_47678
They monitored, and adjusted for the numbers in Atlantic. I assume they are similarly monitoring the other shards.

I do remember reading that but I think @Kyronix forgot that the test event didn’t work in fel for the first 5 days of the testing. It had to be switched on in LS, only reason I know this because several LS players cleared out the dungeon to find out that it wasn’t working. Always my guild would’ve farmed it and made it have decent numbers at the time. 

Getting back to the original point - Perhaps if the dev team shared some information people might calm down. Keeping your customers in the dark, operating on faulty logic of the number of people who participated in fel when no real rewards were on offer doesn’t really make sense. I’m very unhappy at the double standards, the favouritism but most of all the appearance of not listening and giving a meaningful response. I’ve given up on this forum almost as soon as I’ve got here.

A lot of people said on discord it was a waste of time posting here. They appear to be right. 

@Kyronix @Misk @Bleak @Mesanna ; Please activate Felucca Decit for Undead Lords on Lake Superior.

The dynamic spawn is not working. We need more mobs to kill.  You can run thru an entire floor and only find 4 mobs that are alive!  We have a lot of participants and we love to kill stuff on LS.

The participation in Felucca on others shards than Atlantic is low because there is a lack of incentives to play in fel and it happens that this Lord of the Undeads event is exactly a reason to go play in fel and have fun. 

Btw the scripters will always prioritize trammel everytime over felucca. Why? Because there is zero risk of being killed by a player (logic), most scripters do it afk. and as others mentionned, there is no point in scripting farming with bots on others shards where the demand is near 0 with shard bound items. So please, do not bring the scripting argument again @TastyTreats

Mervyn said:

Aragorn said:

All i'm saying is Fel increases the drop rate (by what amount we don't know) which hurts the sale of the potion (by what amount you will never know). For example for those who will buy the potion, going to Fel means they need to buy less potions now. 

So they won't open Fel on ALL shards in particularly those not really saturated like the shard I'm playing on. 

Aragorn, 

That's not how maths works. 

in trammel you get roughly 7 drops in 40 mins, a potion of glorious fortune adds 50%, so that's an extra 3-4 drops. 

in fel (chaining the champ spawn), you get around 40 drops in 40 mins, so that's an extra 20 drops from the potion. This makes the potion more desirable, as you get more drops from it.  

This is also not accurate math. There is zero percent chance you are getting 40 drops in 40 minutes in Fel on ATL (Averaging 1 drop per min isn't even close). I've been hitting it pretty hard and there is always at least 1 or 2 people there and I haven't even gotten 40 in an hour (I consider myself very efficient). 

That said, I do clean up the paragons people leave so I'll give you MAYBE 40 in an hour (even that seems like a stretch) if you are have the place to yourself and max efficiency. Might be a reason people are looking to get Fel activated are ghost shards though.

It's funny how many threads this one topic has created (since all the rest end up getting closed). I think in most cases the spawn just needs to be bumped in Tram for most of the smaller shards so more stuff is spawned to kill because LS does seem to have less spawn that ATL (but they also have less players doing it on average).

The thing is it's not just about the deceit drops or items , its alot about pvp occuring , I'd say its the main reason most of us want it activated in fel, second reason is by principle it should be on all shards , and third reason is you have more luck in fel so not fair.

quickblade said:

The participation in Felucca on others shards than Atlantic is low because there is a lack of incentives to play in fel and it happens that this Lord of the Undeads event is exactly a reason to go play in fel and have fun. 

Btw the scripters will always prioritize trammel everytime over felucca. Why? Because there is zero risk of being killed by a player (logic), most scripters do it afk. and as others mentionned, there is no point in scripting farming with bots on others shards where the demand is near 0 with shard bound items. So please, do not bring the scripting argument again @ TastyTreats

I could agree with you on Endless journey, they shouldn't be able to receive drops of deceit (of the three) from the mobs from the spawn at least, this would incite too much and yell for scripting with EJs, even tho you can page and report one of them and they immediatly get all banned, (or kill em all)  so again I don't see your scripting argument very valid here. But anyway with the dynamic system in place, on a fel facet the spawn is much lower on the others levels of deceit, than in trammel with more players. More players on one level = more spawn for that level I beleive.

There is not even one month left to the event, all we want is some fun in felucca, I guess it's really time to unsub.

TastyTreats said:

Pawain said:

TastyTreats said:

And if anyone even finds a paragon poison elemental hard you just lure them downstairs out of the spawn and wow they won't respawn. 

But i mean keep trying to convince the devs that it wont be botted and i will be here proving you wrong everytime.

@ Rorschach @ Mariah  please remove the troll.  First he says it all bots now he says you have to move the paragons around,  Which is it, can the bots kill paragons or they are smart enough to move them?

Are there bots in tram show proof before you lie more.

I'm waiting for proof, I can show you proof there is hardly anything left alive on LS.

This is your friends 'proof' that botting happens in trammel so directly from her. I don't tell lies and I will back up anything I say with proof. So how about you show me some proof that I AM wrong before asking for me to get banned...

/images/ofb5i3vqofvn.webp

Umm Thats a screen shot of somebody I have never seen.  They are on pacific.  How does this prove the person is botting?  I go to that room 100 times a day and clear it. So am I botting?

Show me that bot killing a para Ram and poison at the same time there.  I do that a lot because that is one of the places players run to get away.

Still you say lies.

So if you’re pro Fel Deceit spawn you’re automatically a scripter? Get out of here with that trolling. 

and *crickets*...

I don’t really care about what happens on non Atlantic shards considering the drops are shard bound (but I did read one person say you can transfer the actual points - I haven’t gotten around to testing this - IF true, this would be a disaster if spawns were activated in fel on dead shards)

But what I will say is this, you may disagree with Mr Treats however continually calling them a troll is not doing anything to advance your argument. I have read nothing that evidences this.

and I should know.

Pawain said:

TastyTreats said:

Pawain said:

TastyTreats said:

And if anyone even finds a paragon poison elemental hard you just lure them downstairs out of the spawn and wow they won't respawn. 

But i mean keep trying to convince the devs that it wont be botted and i will be here proving you wrong everytime.

@ Rorschach @ Mariah  please remove the troll.  First he says it all bots now he says you have to move the paragons around,  Which is it, can the bots kill paragons or they are smart enough to move them?

Are there bots in tram show proof before you lie more.

I'm waiting for proof, I can show you proof there is hardly anything left alive on LS.

This is your friends 'proof' that botting happens in trammel so directly from her. I don't tell lies and I will back up anything I say with proof. So how about you show me some proof that I AM wrong before asking for me to get banned...

/images/ofb5i3vqofvn.webp

Umm Thats a screen shot of somebody I have never seen.  They are on pacific.  How does this prove the person is botting?  I go to that room 100 times a day and clear it. So am I botting?

Show me that bot killing a para Ram and poison at the same time there.  I do that a lot because that is one of the places players run to get away.

Still you say lies.

Hey @Giggles isn’t that you? Someone just said you not on pacific. Lol funny, I saw the original post and that’s 100% not what she’s doing 

Delthor said:

Pawain said:

TastyTreats said:

Pawain said:

TastyTreats said:

And if anyone even finds a paragon poison elemental hard you just lure them downstairs out of the spawn and wow they won't respawn. 

But i mean keep trying to convince the devs that it wont be botted and i will be here proving you wrong everytime.

@ Rorschach @ Mariah  please remove the troll.  First he says it all bots now he says you have to move the paragons around,  Which is it, can the bots kill paragons or they are smart enough to move them?

Are there bots in tram show proof before you lie more.

I'm waiting for proof, I can show you proof there is hardly anything left alive on LS.

This is your friends 'proof' that botting happens in trammel so directly from her. I don't tell lies and I will back up anything I say with proof. So how about you show me some proof that I AM wrong before asking for me to get banned...

/images/ofb5i3vqofvn.webp

Umm Thats a screen shot of somebody I have never seen.  They are on pacific.  How does this prove the person is botting?  I go to that room 100 times a day and clear it. So am I botting?

Show me that bot killing a para Ram and poison at the same time there.  I do that a lot because that is one of the places players run to get away.

Still you say lies.

Hey @ Giggles isn’t that you? Someone just said you not on pacific. Lol funny, I saw the original post and that’s 100% not what she’s doing 

Mervyn said:

I don’t really care about what happens on non Atlantic shards considering the drops are shard bound (but I did read one person say you can transfer the actual points - I haven’t gotten around to testing this - IF true, this would be a disaster if spawns were activated in fel on dead shards)

Just tested this for you. It is not true you cannot transfer the points.

TastyTreats said:

quickblade said:

The participation in Felucca on others shards than Atlantic is low because there is a lack of incentives to play in fel and it happens that this Lord of the Undeads event is exactly a reason to go play in fel and have fun. 

Btw the scripters will always prioritize trammel everytime over felucca. Why? Because there is zero risk of being killed by a player (logic), most scripters do it afk. and as others mentionned, there is no point in scripting farming with bots on others shards where the demand is near 0 with shard bound items. So please, do not bring the scripting argument again @ TastyTreats

You realize the reason Endless Journey accounts cannot receive powerscrolls is because players would completely unattended script spawns with rails.

The participation on others shards than Atlantic is low because it's the same group of players going shard to shard looking to kill trammel players and take their spawn no other 'pvpers' play those shards. You have yet to provide a reason why this would bring any players to felucca other then your bots. Why would scripters farm shard bound items so they can resell or use them on their own suits if they plan to play there in the future. If a player returns to Origin 5 months and wants a pair of epaulettes for their suit guess what they have to buy from you who scripted the spawn for an entire month and controls the market and you get to set the price since they are unobtainable at that time.

it sounds like Kyronix already gave the answer to your question and you only have yourselves to blame for it not being active on other shards. Atlantic is just 5-6 Sampires chaining the spawn all day. Maybe if instead of posting on the forums asking to be allowed to cheat and actually you know participated in the event on Atlantic and shown that fel participation was high then you might have had a chance to convince the dev's it was worthwhile to turn on. So go blame yourselves for not being allowed to bot on your server.

Atlantic is just 5-6 Sampires chaining the spawn all day.

I have the impression that this is not limited to Atlantic, but holds true for all Shards, perhaps even for Siege and Mugen, where just a handfull of players basically run the Deceit spawn over and over and over again with Templates maximized for drops gains thus piling up points and Reward Items.

This is also why, I am convinced, the Developers should not limit the playout of this Event for a time too short (and yes, to my opinion 1 month is a time too short considering the drop rate for the average player and the amount of drops needed to get several of the Reward items, and perhaps also on multiple Shards being them Shard Bound), but extend the lifetime of this Deceit Event past that month or make these Rewards be available also with whatever spawn will come next to the Deceit one.

keven2002 said:

Mervyn said:

Aragorn said:

All i'm saying is Fel increases the drop rate (by what amount we don't know) which hurts the sale of the potion (by what amount you will never know). For example for those who will buy the potion, going to Fel means they need to buy less potions now. 

So they won't open Fel on ALL shards in particularly those not really saturated like the shard I'm playing on. 

Aragorn, 

That's not how maths works. 

in trammel you get roughly 7 drops in 40 mins, a potion of glorious fortune adds 50%, so that's an extra 3-4 drops. 

in fel (chaining the champ spawn), you get around 40 drops in 40 mins, so that's an extra 20 drops from the potion. This makes the potion more desirable, as you get more drops from it.  

This is also not accurate math. There is zero percent chance you are getting 40 drops in 40 minutes in Fel on ATL (Averaging 1 drop per min isn't even close). I've been hitting it pretty hard and there is always at least 1 or 2 people there and I haven't even gotten 40 in an hour (I consider myself very efficient). 

Don’t say it can’t be done just because you can’t do it and because you are not doing it right. Check out youtube how people are getting 65 drops in Fel with potion in less than an hr, with the whole process recorded so you guys can learn from, before you consider yourself as “efficient” that just makes me laugh. 

Don’t under estimate the power of potion + fel factor especially those believe there are no farmers because of the shard bound thing. If everyone is a player not farmer,  this has exactly proofed my point that you now need LESS potions to get what you want if you are doing in fel so it will hurt the sale of the potion that’s all i’m saying and nothing more. 

OK NEW IDEA

Pawain said:

 Selling stuff to who?  One of the 12 players on origin?

Hhmmmm, a bit of respect please! I have it on good authority that we are much more than 12 players in Origin, hear me? We're almost 14!

Seth said:

Wearable, artifacts that affect our character templates should not be shard bound. This is especially the case for new artifacts. 

I also agree with many posters who wrote that they will not get more to sell on their small pop shard. They will become extinct soon.

- Any latecomers who missed this event may not be able to buy them.
- We will be reluctant to sell too cheap for the massive effort.
- If we sell too high, very few can afford.

Unless dev team is planning to bring them back every year or subsequent events. 

any extras I get, I'll give away for free 

Archangel said:

Seth said:

Wearable, artifacts that affect our character templates should not be shard bound. This is especially the case for new artifacts. 

I also agree with many posters who wrote that they will not get more to sell on their small pop shard. They will become extinct soon.

- Any latecomers who missed this event may not be able to buy them.
- We will be reluctant to sell too cheap for the massive effort.
- If we sell too high, very few can afford.

Unless dev team is planning to bring them back every year or subsequent events. 

any extras I get, I'll give away for free 

Like what the Dev do, they look at metrics and what general population does, not based on a few samaritan like your good self.

Be aware of fake vet players creating fake newbies taking advantage of samaritan to get freebies. Thanks for the effort! Can you do like at least 10 pcs on standby to giveaway. Its only like 1,000 drops, should not be too tough if anyone has time to farm 24/7 for free!

Mariah said:

Seth said:

I can't see any reason to block up just one small event on one facet, if the dev admit that is the way they plan to handle scripting. Is this their official reason or mere guessing by some players?

It's guessing. Kyronix gave the reason for Fel not being included in the initial launch

Based on soft launch metrics the participation in Felucca was very low.

https://forums.uo.com/discussion/comment/47678/#Comment_47678
They monitored, and adjusted for the numbers in Atlantic. I assume they are similarly monitoring the other shards.

The feeling I get when someone do not reply is that they do not have a good, solid reason.

So where was this fel community and enthusiasm when they did...every single other event in tram?

Where is the outcry for Jurassic Park to be fel?

I have been complaining and ignored for years over the continual trammelisation of the game. 

Mervyn said:

So where was this fel community and enthusiasm when they did...every single other event in tram?

Where is the outcry for Jurassic Park to be fel?

I have been complaining and ignored for years over the continual trammelisation of the game. 

I would like to do shadowguard and underwater on my reds. 

Where is the uproar for this? 

You ALL went blue to get the town buff, you ALL drank the coolaid. 

These players on LS play in fel. They do spawns daily. But, now we have everyone crammed in a small are and they are all killing stuff as fast as they can.  We want it open in Fel so the trammies have something to kill.

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Mervyn said:

So where was this fel community and enthusiasm when they did...every single other event in tram?

Where is the outcry for Jurassic Park to be fel?

I have been complaining and ignored for years over the continual trammelisation of the game. 

I would like to do shadowguard and underwater on my reds. 

Where is the uproar for this? 

You ALL went blue to get the town buff, you ALL drank the coolaid. 

Mervyn - I have been saying for years also, and you know I have. Don't start giving it the big "I am". The difference between myself and yourself, is I actively help make a lot of stuff happen between our guild and our Europa PvP community.

You know my belief is that Trammel should not be getting any drops at all, because there is no risk v reward, and everything can just be farmed/scripted infinitely. I have said for a long time also, Events should not be happening only in Trammel, I have said for a long time, how there is far too much content in Trammel only. The only thing remotely maintaining any sort of balance is powerscrolls.

Most pvper's have known for a long time it is a complete waste of time for them to post on forums, so they don't, they are just more focussed on playing the game and just having fun when they can, than getting involved in all this negative board stuff. Posters like @tastytreats are so deluded you cannot debate with that in any logical sense whatsoever and she is just destroying threads, I cannot respond to her, there is nothing you can say to the ramblings of a madwoman.

This particular event - the rewards are so strong, and they are shard bound, meaning a lot of pvpers will not be able to buy them during or after the event, meaning they are forced to get them themselves - in Trammel... All I am seeing in Trammel, is PvPers who have been relocated away from their natural habitat. It also means the drops will be scarce, as there is no incentive for anyone else to farm them with the purpose of selling them, the only players farming, are those who need them for themselves. For Example - Avatar1/2/3/4 the goldseller, is now buying event drop items on our server, and has raised the price from 1m to 2m per item! That is Avatar the gold seller... that shows something is out of balance here. Those items have a real value currently of 3-5m each if Avatar is getting involved in Buying openly! at that level.

Just with Wraiths guild out of action in Felucca - is a direct subtraction of 30 active players for up to a month out of Felucca, which has a seriously negative impact on PvP. We cannot be in 2 places at once, and I am prioritising getting the drops, as I am trying to gear my 2 boys up, the SSI 10 shoulders are a 1 off unique item, and I need them (4 pairs in fact and many other drops), so I will work on that. If this event were in Felucca, myself and my guild would be able to stay there, and keep action going there.

As it is, my guild are getting seriously bored, and so are Europa's pvpers, and I apologise for my part in that, but it cannot be helped, I've tried to explain on these forums and help alleviate the issues for our server.

I don't really buy your other arguments Mervyn, regarding the situation on Atlantic, this sounds like a losers mentality from you, are you losing to the blues or something? I have always said also, Atlantic is not a PvP server, you've all kidded yourselves going there.

My guild would be in Deceit fighting, and taking that dungeon, there would not be blue Sampires running around, and if they do, well congratulations to them, they ran the gauntlet. We would be spawning, and even throwing a Harry in on top of that event, we would use the opportunity to do something incredible.

Bear in mind also, with this event on, there is now far less spawning happening, almost zero, as these drops far outrank powerscrolls in uniqueness, power, and value, so the powerscroll market is being hit now also by not allowing this event in Felucca, and not allowing us to maintain spawn activity.

Mervyn said:

So where was this fel community and enthusiasm when they did...every single other event in tram?

Where is the outcry for Jurassic Park to be fel?

I have been complaining and ignored for years over the continual trammelisation of the game. 

I would like to do shadowguard and underwater on my reds. 

Where is the uproar for this? 

You ALL went blue to get the town buff, you ALL drank the coolaid. 

This is rare for me... but yes! When I brought up the thread about the New Legacy shard should be Fel type rules (and the poll showed majority supported that) many of the same people were saying "NO FEL" and now the same people are saying "WE NEED THIS IN FEL". 

For the record I don't care if it goes to Fel or not for others if it's needed but besides @Pawain I haven't seen anyone else really make a case for their shard with screenshots etc of their shard in Tram Deceit at various times a day. I just checked a a handful of shards and there is absolutely nobody in Tram Deceit with plenty of spawn. This was not the case at all for ATL. 

And for @tastytreats who likes a good screenshot - here is one from Europa server Trammel at 1:00am in the morning. This turret continued all night long, 10 characters (4 players?) scripting in Deceit lvl4, this could not happen in Felucca, as I'm sure I have said 1 million times on these forums. Scripting is a Trammel problem, not a Felucca problem, where you have decent PvPers.

keven2002 said:

Mervyn said:

So where was this fel community and enthusiasm when they did...every single other event in tram?

Where is the outcry for Jurassic Park to be fel?

I have been complaining and ignored for years over the continual trammelisation of the game. 

I would like to do shadowguard and underwater on my reds. 

Where is the uproar for this? 

You ALL went blue to get the town buff, you ALL drank the coolaid. 

This is rare for me... but yes! When I brought up the thread about the New Legacy shard should be Fel type rules (and the poll showed majority supported that) many of the same people were saying "NO FEL" and now the same people are saying "WE NEED THIS IN FEL". 

For the record I don't care if it goes to Fel or not for others if it's needed but besides @ Pawain I haven't seen anyone else really make a case for their shard with screenshots etc of their shard in Tram Deceit at various times a day. I just checked a a handful of shards and there is absolutely nobody in Tram Deceit with plenty of spawn. This was not the case at all for ATL. 

I'm going to disagree with you here Kevin as well, I believe Europa has been well populated throughout the event. I will actually agree, whilst Europa has been overcrowded at times, Trammel alone is able to cope - I am not disagreeing on that point - the real issue is that it should not be open alone in Trammel, it is causing far wider game issues.

The real issue is, it is sucking Felucca players out of Felucca, and hence an entire playstyle is diminishing.

On a sidenote - this is exactly how Trammel was such a {supposed} success all those years ago, they took all risk out of it, gave everything for free to the players, and of course many players moved across to there to get all the free loot, only to get bored eventually and leave the game after realising how broken Trammel made the game.

The ones left behind in Felucca are bored, and the ones playing the content in Trammel don't really want to be there.

I have posted a more detailed post above yours.

The removal of active players from Fel has been by far the biggest impact. Champing, general scouting and fights has become non existent whilst the likes of Cookie etc. (Which is fair enough) prioritise the event drops.

@Mervyn this would incentivise people to go red tbh, we still have reds and I would make my chars red to control the spawn - so it could act as a catalyst for change.

However I agree on your comment overall relating to town buffs, it was disappointing ring when I returned to see so little reds in Fel!

Cookie said:

And for @ tastytreats who likes a good screenshot - here is one from Europa server Trammel at 1:00am in the morning. This turret continued all night long, 10 characters (4 players?) scripting in Deceit lvl4, this could not happen in Felucca, as I'm sure I have said 1 million times on these forums. Scripting is a Trammel problem, not a Felucca problem, where you have decent PvPers.

Darkion said:

@ Mervyn this would incentivise people to go red tbh, we still have reds and I would make my chars red to control the spawn - so it could act as a catalyst for change.

However I agree on your comment overall relating to town buffs, it was disappointing ring when I returned to see so little reds in Fel!

TastyTreats said:

Darkion said:

@ Mervyn this would incentivise people to go red tbh, we still have reds and I would make my chars red to control the spawn - so it could act as a catalyst for change.

However I agree on your comment overall relating to town buffs, it was disappointing ring when I returned to see so little reds in Fel!

Nice you'd be willing to go red for a month then use a royal pardon. That is quite the commitment and defiantly will be a catalyst for change!

People that play your playstyle are bad for the game. Taking murder counts and then using forged pardons to go blue to protect their town buff. Don't pretend that it would increase the red playerbase longterm to try and sway your point ok?

Who let the trolls out?

Pawain said:

TastyTreats said:

This is your friends 'proof' that botting happens in trammel so directly from her. I don't tell lies and I will back up anything I say with proof. So how about you show me some proof that I AM wrong before asking for me to get banned...

/images/ofb5i3vqofvn.webp

Umm Thats a screen shot of somebody I have never seen.  They are on pacific.  How does this prove the person is botting?  I go to that room 100 times a day and clear it. So am I botting?

Show me that bot killing a para Ram and poison at the same time there.  I do that a lot because that is one of the places players run to get away.

Still you say lies.

Delthor said:

Hey @ Giggles isn’t that you? Someone just said you not on pacific. Lol funny, I saw the original post and that’s 100% not what she’s doing 

TastyTreats said:

Yup it is giggles. Claiming botting is already happening in trammel on dead shards. Never accused giggles of botting in that screenshot just saying that the person that started this entire conversation admits to botting happening in deceit.  The exact same thing that will happen in felucca.

That screenshot is of me. No bot's involved. If anyone is on Pac and wants a double bard buff, just let me know!

Not saying botting doesn't happen, just that particular screenshot is not an example of it.

Flattered someone mistook me for a bot though. I must be getting better!

Cookie said:

Mervyn said:

So where was this fel community and enthusiasm when they did...every single other event in tram?

Where is the outcry for Jurassic Park to be fel?

I have been complaining and ignored for years over the continual trammelisation of the game. 

I would like to do shadowguard and underwater on my reds. 

Where is the uproar for this? 

You ALL went blue to get the town buff, you ALL drank the coolaid. 

Mervyn - I have been saying for years also, and you know I have. Don't start giving it the big "I am". The difference between myself and yourself, is I actively help make a lot of stuff happen between our guild and our Europa PvP community.

You know my belief is that Trammel should not be getting any drops at all, because there is no risk v reward, and everything can just be farmed/scripted infinitely. I have said for a long time also, Events should not be happening only in Trammel, I have said for a long time, how there is far too much content in Trammel only. The only thing remotely maintaining any sort of balance is powerscrolls.

Most pvper's have known for a long time it is a complete waste of time for them to post on forums, so they don't, they are just more focussed on playing the game and just having fun when they can, than getting involved in all this negative board stuff. Posters like @ tastytreats are so deluded you cannot debate with that in any logical sense whatsoever and she is just destroying threads, I cannot respond to her, there is nothing you can say to the ramblings of a madwoman.

This particular event - the rewards are so strong, and they are shard bound, meaning a lot of pvpers will not be able to buy them during or after the event, meaning they are forced to get them themselves - in Trammel... All I am seeing in Trammel, is PvPers who have been relocated away from their natural habitat. It also means the drops will be scarce, as there is no incentive for anyone else to farm them with the purpose of selling them, the only players farming, are those who need them for themselves. For Example - Avatar1/2/3/4 the goldseller, is now buying event drop items on our server, and has raised the price from 1m to 2m per item! That is Avatar the gold seller... that shows something is out of balance here. Those items have a real value currently of 3-5m each if Avatar is getting involved in Buying openly! at that level.

Just with Wraiths guild out of action in Felucca - is a direct subtraction of 30 active players for up to a month out of Felucca, which has a seriously negative impact on PvP. We cannot be in 2 places at once, and I am prioritising getting the drops, as I am trying to gear my 2 boys up, the SSI 10 shoulders are a 1 off unique item, and I need them (4 pairs in fact and many other drops), so I will work on that. If this event were in Felucca, myself and my guild would be able to stay there, and keep action going there.

As it is, my guild are getting seriously bored, and so are Europa's pvpers, and I apologise for my part in that, but it cannot be helped, I've tried to explain on these forums and help alleviate the issues for our server.

I don't really buy your other arguments Mervyn, regarding the situation on Atlantic, this sounds like a losers mentality from you, are you losing to the blues or something? I have always said also, Atlantic is not a PvP server, you've all kidded yourselves going there.

My guild would be in Deceit fighting, and taking that dungeon, there would not be blue Sampires running around, and if they do, well congratulations to them, they ran the gauntlet. We would be spawning, and even throwing a Harry in on top of that event, we would use the opportunity to do something incredible.

Bear in mind also, with this event on, there is now far less spawning happening, almost zero, as these drops far outrank powerscrolls in uniqueness, power, and value, so the powerscroll market is being hit now also by not allowing this event in Felucca, and not allowing us to maintain spawn activity.

It is a well known thing that the grandest part of Ultima Online's players base plays Trammel, NOT Felucca.

And, I would imagine, that means that most revenues to support the game, upkeep it, develop new stuff and all that, therefore come from those players who should get nothing ?

Are you serious ?

How long would it then be before all these players would bail out of Ultima Online and leave it with little to not enough resources to maintain it and keep it going ?

Is this what is being asked here ? The final and permanent death of Ultima Online ?

The problem of PvP, is that, at least to my viewing, only a minority in Ultima Online can really be seen as PvPers who are in it for the challenge, select their targets only attacking those who can fight back, and do NOT use cheat programs..... many others, unfortunately, are just pkillers or, even worse, people who use cheats to gain an edge in fighting other players. They do not care about the challenge, they just want to ruin a fellow player's day.

And, at least to my opinion, this started back with how Scrolls of Power were implemented, to my opinion.

How so ?

To my understanding, when Powerscrolls came out, there was a struggle on who'd hold their Monopoly,  bunch of cheats and hacks came out so that some players would eventually get their edge over other players and gain and hold tight the Monopoly of Powerscrolls.

That gave them enormous wealth with which, they were able to buy all artifacts and anything else they wanted becoming even more invincible.

They got bored, and many left, but, to my opinion, the damage was done already, and at that point Powerscrolls became only a bait to attract easy targets who'd try to get them on their own, as they could not afford the ridicolous prices that those Monopolists had set to sell those powerscrolls.

Unfortunately, it is all about the gold, that is why there is some players who want to control drops, because then they can set prices to whatever they want for those items.

Unfortunately, this alienates players from the game, it is BAD for the game as a whole as it drops the players base quite some....

People should thank Trammel for existing because it is what has kept the game going all these years.... and there is some players who would want Trammel to get no drops and no content ?

Go figure....

To my opinion, players should PvP for the fun of it, it should be fun, challenging FOR ALL, not easy for existing, Veteran players who got all and wealth to burn and totally impossible for New and Returning players who cannot compete in high end items nor in wealth to spend on new stuff that comes out.

Hopefully, the New Legacy Shard might address this issue, at least in part.

But as long as much needed items, like for example Powerscrolls will be used as baits to get players to get pkilled in Felucca just to serve easy targets on a silver platter to some other players, I hardly can see any hope for PvP to attract more players and get popular....

Not to mention, that I see it as pointless for anyone who does not want to cheat or use third parties or hacks, to bother with PvPing at all.

What is the point for it at all if there is quite a good chance that the fellow player on the other side might be using some cheat program to get an edge in the fight ?

Much better just have fun playing Trammel and forget about PvP and Felucca, althougether, IMHO.

The so called Risk vs. Reward is a total joke, as I see it.

Players using Ghost Cams or hidden EJ Cams to monitor areas, using Third Party cheats to have a hell of an edge when attacking other players and most likely having wealth to burn and all high end items that may be in the game, including those 18+ properties Legendaries which no longer spawn....

They have no risks, they have their scripts telling them when someone enters an area that they are monitoring, they go there in their uber suits and kill them with no challenge, pretty much.

Risk vs. Reward is a joke in Felucca, if one is on the side of those who make sure to have a hell of an edge, be it from high end items several of which can no longer be gotten, or perhaps from the use of cheat Third party programs.

Yet, they are permitted by all that to cut out any and all other players from being able to access much needed and necessary items like Powerscrolls....

What a joke it is.

That is at least how I see it.

Continually posting this topic is merely an invitation for more trolling. Obviously the devs are aware of the situation and WHEN they have something to say on the topic, they will say it. Until then DO NOT post  on this topic again. Doing so will merely see the removal of the entire thread.