Poll on Power Scrolls Please Read before voting

With all the strong feeling expressed on other threads about this subject I'm wondering what the actual numbers are, so a poll.

Please remember if you comment, rants or attacks convince no one and we are all players entitled to our opinions . And this is NOT an attack on PvP play style that is a different part of the issue that would have to be dealt with somehow.

Also I AM NOT Broadsword and this is hardly a scientific poll so I doubt they will even take notice let alone want to touch this particular land mine. Editing this I had the thought, should Broadsword put this to an in game vote? so question 2

I kept it down to 4 options 1 and 2 should be clear.

Option 3 assume "off Fel" would be restricted in someway. Account or shard bound and/or only the 105s and 110s. If it wins probably my next poll that is if I survive. 🙂

Option 4
A quick search of the web found 5 sites selling UO items for cash. Rumour has it most of their business is Power Scrolls. So why not just let Broadsword have the profit and save us fighting over the issue if everyone is just paying cash anyway. (Not you and me of coarse just those other players )

I'm glad the devs changed their minds about making PS shard bound. would been one of the biggest mistakes to date. what do u think some of the120PS on atl would go for if were shard bound lol, 300mil plus? plat?

It was my understanding/belief that power scrolls on pets was intended to revive a flagging power scroll market - it has, but no one likes it.

Petra_Fyde said:

It was my understanding/belief that power scrolls on pets was intended to revive a flagging power scroll market - it has, but no one likes it.

Kinda funny how they wanted to revive a lagging power scroll market (for the pk zerg guilds) when they don't care at all about the market for anything else, ie look at vendor fees, look at introducing royal pardons which killed tmappers pardons, look at the new store for EJ stuff which is gonna put scribes out business and basic crafting of suits, look at shard shields which result in all the low pop shards losing all their stuff to the Atl market. 

I voted for shard bound above, but would of prefered an option for pet scrolls to be available as a different items and available in the ilshenar, tokuno, malas spawn as drops.  Most tamers probably have 10 or more pets in stables which to fully scroll require 5 or more scrolls.  I have about 6 pets I use regularly only 2 of which have 120 wrestle/tactics and the others are just waiting.  The odds of me getting the scrolls i need are slim to none on the current drop rate, and I am playing siege where at least the scrolls do stay on the shard.  If I was playing any other shard I doubt i would even have those 120's as they all end up on Atlantic.

It was the worst decision ever made to tie pet power scrolls to the existing power scroll system and it needs to be revised.  If they want the majority of players to have the ability to scroll their pets and get enjoyment out of pvm then this needs to be done, and it would greatly improve the enjoyment and revive those spawns in non fel ruleset areas.  It would add a supreme amount of content in that it would give players a reason to actually do those spawns.  It would also not damage the normal power scroll market.

However I believe that it isn't the majority of players they are catering too, pet scrolls only being available via the player scroll spawns in fel is just another case of the devs pandering to the minority pvp crowd and trying to again lure players to fel.  Either that or they (someone) whoever, is making too much real life money off it.  Hence the reason that it seems no one wants to listen to the majority.

It would be locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. People have already devalued the price of all the scrolls by shard transferring them from dead shards.  
Might also help if you needed to eat a 110, 115, and a 120 to get to 120, and do the same with masteries and stat scrolls.

PS "migration" to ATL is, IMO, only one aspect of a bigger problem: that, as I wrote many times, the inter-shard commerce is dominated by an oligopolist cabala of STS possessors, that, in the years, bought out many of the veteran accounts of people that were quitting UO. To de-clusterfrack the issue, "massive" inter-shard transfers means should be made available to the masses at a very lower prices/requisites than the 20 bucks /14 VR of today.
But, realistically speaking, this will never happens, considering too that those Cabala probably pay for a large chunk of BS/UO subs revenue.
I.

Petra_Fyde said:

It was my understanding/belief that power scrolls on pets was intended to revive a flagging power scroll market - it has, but no one likes it.

Yep, once again lined the pockets of their friends controlling the spawns...That's who it helped.  The vocal minority who plays Fel.  Not us ordinary average Joes.  

Petra_Fyde said:

It was my understanding/belief that power scrolls on pets was intended to revive a flagging power scroll market - it has, but no one likes it.

Gotta love them griefers... honestly there's nothing wrong with power scrolls or that current system. Taking them out of fel or making them shard bound isn't the solution... the scripts being used to obtain them is the ONLY real problem here. I think that most are only complaining since they messed up their pet(s) and want a way to recover or get back their scrolls without having to spend a few hundred mils on new scrolls

Just change the vendor system to a one time fee when item is sold and the powerscroll economy will revive on smaller shards.

That is too simple of a solution, and makes sense.  We cannot have that happening

I think a few things should happen.  For one, they should go "one way or the other" on the markets.  I think scrolls (power, stat, pinks, blues), primers, and all commodity deedable items should be shard-locked.  That way if you want "cheap" scrolls on low-pop servers, you need to transfer the character who wants to consume it.  OR they should allow the magincia-style commodity vendors to exist across all shards (and give them the ability to list scrolls).  So posting a scoll on a baja vendor could be purchased on Atl.  Again this would apply only to truely commutable goods like scrolls, primers, and commodities.  Not gear, arties, or rares.

I also think tram spawns should drop 105s, and tram champs should drop 110s (and possibly all 12 scrolls given to attackers with no protection).  The reason is that this game is already pretty rough for new players who want to "adventure" and not rely on charity of other players to get started.  A huge portion of the game is balanced around 120s, mastery-III, and artifacts.  And there is very little a player can do to get from new haven to endgame without hand-outs.  Mostly the advice to give a new player is: farm some commodities, sell them in bulk, then buy discount  110 scrolls... then you can start playing!

It might help if people couldn’t solo a champ? Just throwing this wild suggestion out there of making them hard enough to need I don’t know...more than one loner to work them?

who can prot themselves with a hidden afk char that they’ve gotten knight of justice on by killing their own non active red?

this game is a joke

its sad really the way the shard transfers are messing with the economy. people are manipulating the game and farming other servers, making the gameplay that much crappier on the servers people actually want to be a part of. If its true that a small handful of people are paying all the subs to manipulate the game, then its worse than I thought.

Shard bound almost everything is the answer.  People don't like the RMT site, or scripters, or shard shield farming of dead shards.  The only answer is shard bound, that will cut all of that down.  The player character (plus a suit) and gold should be the only thing xferable to other shards.  If you want to move to another shard you make your player on shard your on and take gold with you to start playing another.  Then the only scripting left in UO will be easily policed on their shards by their own players.   Itll be easy to find them and either kill them or page on them.

Davo said:

I'm glad the devs changed their minds about making PS shard bound. would been one of the biggest mistakes to date. what do u think some of the120PS on atl would go for if were shard bound lol, 300mil plus? plat?

Who cares what they would go for on Atlantic?  I don't play there so why should I have any sympathy for you getting cheap scrolls while most shards cant buy scrolls at all?  You are part of the problem.

I am honestly not sure how making power scrolls shard bound will help. If the supply and demand is so out of whack that all power scrolls on all shards being drained to Atlantic still cannot meet the demand and still leaves inflated prices that other shards can't compete with, then it sounds to me like a solution lies in increasing the supply. 

It's (in my opinion) a controlled shortage.  Much like OPEC closes off the supplies when oil priced get too low, so do the zergs when PS prices get too low.  Supply and demand, hoarding (and thereby artificially creating a shortage) rasises the price by creating the appearance of a shortage, since we don't know how many houses full of 120s they actually have lol

 if u made PS shard bound, u would just have to transfer and eat scroll. prices on atl would be so high. I see many non fel player quitting. prices have never been higher. only the zergs guilds would want this. thank god devs weren't listening. what a mess this would be if they did lol.  

An interesting experiment might be to just turn off transfers of any kind for six months.  I know Broadsword would never do that.  But if they did, would we actually start to see power scrolls and other high-end items for sale on more shards?

Margrette said:

An interesting experiment might be to just turn off transfers of any kind for six months.  I know Broadsword would never do that.  But if they did, would we actually start to see power scrolls and other high-end items for sale on more shards?

I would expect people would just stockpile them. 

Exactly

I proposed making them shard bound.  It is initially a horrible idea but over time it could fix things.  The immediate effect will be: 1) lots of complaining 2) loss of players 3) mass exodus of players moving out at Atlantic due to huge demand with a large supply cut off 5) PS scrolls will be crazy expensive on populated shards.  It will take many months before people start to branch out into other servers and gradually, you'll start to see an improvement in the economy.   Broadsword would have to balance something out like make animal specific scrolls available in trammel or increase supply to offset the supply cut-off.  Remember, masteries are shard bound...no issues there BUT they do have a lower demand due to each character really only needing one and pets can't use them.

Making them shard bound fixes nothing because alls you have to do is go to another shard and eat them then go home.  Quit catering the the select few and put PSs in Tram or make Fel consensual PvP so everybody can go get their own without worrying about the the select few that control the spawn.

Bilbo said:

Making them shard bound fixes nothing because alls you have to do is go to another shard and eat them then go home.  Quit catering the the select few and put PSs in Tram or make Fel consensual PvP so everybody can go get their own without worrying about the the select few that control the spawn.

I second the motion

There is no select few, that is just a conspiracy you made up to not go try yourself.  I also want almost everything shard bound not just scrolls.  Im sure if you took all the players who post here about moving them to trammel and made a guild, you could spawn non-stop on any shard you want.  But then again, I don't know where you find the time since all you do is be a board warrior.

You know you can transfer to a shard and eat the scrolls there or feed them to pets there.  Just like players did with shard bound mastery primers.

Pawain said:

You know you can transfer to a shard and eat the scrolls there or feed them to pets there.  Just like players did with shard bound mastery primers.

im fine with them doing that buddy.  At least itll eat up their shields for no reason other then a couple scrolls.  LOL

The_Higgs_1 said:

Pawain said:

You know you can transfer to a shard and eat the scrolls there or feed them to pets there.  Just like players did with shard bound mastery primers.

im fine with them doing that buddy.  At least itll eat up their shields for no reason other then a couple scrolls.  LOL

I wasn't responding to you.  I know you know how the game works.

Others think that making scrolls shard bound will make scrolls magically appear in their small shards Vendor Search.  

Shard bound scrolls will just hurt players who do not have shard transfer shields.  Atlantic will always have the most Scrolls for sale.  Shard bound will just mean players can't bring those scrolls to the smaller shards like they are doing now.

Ive always supported shard bound power scrolls, the reasoning being that anything that gets people out playing, getting those scrolls themselves is a good thing.

Yes prices would be high on Atlantic.  but then players would be more likely to get a group together, and go out and get those scrolls themselves rather than just buying them as they do now.

No scrolls available on the small shards?  not an issue.  you can go out and do some champs.  With less chance of being raided than now on low-pop shards.
Scrolls too expensive on atlantic?  not an issue.  you get get a group of your friends and do a champ.  No friends?  join a guild.  Make a new one an recruit like-minded people.  Lets be real, theres never more than a few pvpers raiding champs.  ive done spawns by myself on atlantic and never run into anyone.  and a small group should be able to deal with a few PKs.  if an entire zerg guild happens to be on, yeah bad timing.  but thats usually not the case.

The_Higgs_1 said:

There is no select few, that is just a conspiracy you made up to not go try yourself.  (...)

With all the due respect, but... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Thanks for the good (even if sour) laugh! 😂

The answer, IMO, is making white PS scrolls available ONLY through completion of skill-related Quests, as it is now for Imbuing, and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.
Limit the scroll dumps at Spanws to pink SoT and blue SoA, bumpig up the quantity.
My 2 GPs.
I.

I don't think the questions in the poll are fair or necessary for that matter.  They have already made it clear there are no plans to add them to trammel. Considering the lack of good content added to fell since trammel came out fel spawns are a success. All this time and they are still popular and well used. The big myth is that the average player can't obtain powesrolls. If someone Is so against going to fel for them there is tons more trammel high end content where as much or more gold can be made than at champ spawns. The time invested for that gold in trammel is no more than it takes champ spawning. In that regard scrolls are already available in trammel. Seems people want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

I like the cursed items cant be shard transferable thing not to mention making item shard bound.  One problem solved. Whats next.

Polls are ok but they have their issues as well. Like what about those with multiple accounts? The results get skewed and then theres ppl that will say if that was voted well why isnt it like that yet?  

The_Higgs_1 said:

There is no select few, that is just a conspiracy you made up to not go try yourself.  I also want almost everything shard bound not just scrolls.  Im sure if you took all the players who post here about moving them to trammel and made a guild, you could spawn non-stop on any shard you want.  But then again, I don't know where you find the time since all you do is be a board warrior.

And yet here you are right with me.  I am running on a public WiFy that is slow as shit and unable to go home ATM but why are you here so much to dispute it all, gee now why is that.  Sorry if my proposal interferes with your cash flow we wouldn't want to make UO more fun for all now would we.  Even the DEVs protect the select few by adding them to pets now.  PSs are truly the most unbalancing thing ever done to UO because unless you use them there is no way you can compete and the select few know it.

I have played with hundreds of different people in the past 12 years in UO.  I have never met anyone that didn't go do spawns either by themselves or with their guild.  Ive even done public spawns and harrowers several times over the years inviting anyone to come get scrolls.  This conspiracy theory of yours is just nonsense, its like spreading fear propaganda about felucca.  Just go spawn yourself or move on, stop complaining already.

The_Higgs_1 said:

There is no select few, that is just a conspiracy you made up to not go try yourself.  I also want almost everything shard bound not just scrolls.  Im sure if you took all the players who post here about moving them to trammel and made a guild, you could spawn non-stop on any shard you want.  But then again, I don't know where you find the time since all you do is be a board warrior.

Were is your tinfoil hat
you need to put it on and step inline with the truth 

Coming Soon -- Season 15 of the X-Files -- Moulder and Scully set out to find the select few who farm millions of PS's to sell in UO.   Rolling stone calls it "engrossing", New York Times says "best entertainment of 2018".   HAHAHA

Ivenor said:

The answer, IMO, is making white PS scrolls available ONLY through completion of skill-related Quests, as it is now for Imbuing, and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.
Limit the scroll dumps at Spanws to pink SoT and blue SoA, bumpig up the quantity.
My 2 GPs.
I.

So should I send my pet out to do those quests also?  Are you unaware that pets can use up to 9 different powerscrolls at once.

Pawain said:

Ivenor said:

The answer, IMO, is making white PS scrolls available ONLY through completion of skill-related Quests, as it is now for Imbuing, and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.
Limit the scroll dumps at Spanws to pink SoT and blue SoA, bumpig up the quantity.
My 2 GPs.
I.

So should I send my pet out to do those quests also?  Are you unaware that pets can use up to 9 different powerscrolls at once.

I didn't say to make their USE char locked, I said to make them only obtainable via Quest and only one for Char (and only of Chars of Subs, no Trial/EJ). After that you can use them on the Char that got them, on another Char, on a Pet or sell them.

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Pawain said:

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Nobody is forced to max scroll all of his Pets. 4 PS for each Char (105/110/115/120) for each Skill for 7 Chars for every Account are not enough? One can always buy/barter for more PS with other REAL players.

Ivenor said:

Pawain said:

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Nobody is forced to max scroll all of his Pets. 4 PS for each Char (105/110/115/120) for each Skill for 7 Chars for every Account are not enough? One can always buy/barter for more PS with other REAL players.

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Pawain said:

The_Higgs_1 said:

Pawain said:

You know you can transfer to a shard and eat the scrolls there or feed them to pets there.  Just like players did with shard bound mastery primers.

im fine with them doing that buddy.  At least itll eat up their shields for no reason other then a couple scrolls.  LOL

I wasn't responding to you.  I know you know how the game works.

Others think that making scrolls shard bound will make scrolls magically appear in their small shards Vendor Search.  

Shard bound scrolls will just hurt players who do not have shard transfer shields.  Atlantic will always have the most Scrolls for sale.  Shard bound will just mean players can't bring those scrolls to the smaller shards like they are doing now.

I dont have transfer shields.  And I am being hurt by my shards scrolls being sent away to Atlantic. So your argument there works both ways.  I don't care, much, I run spawns on my server and it is fine.  But The thought of transferring to Atl to buy a scroll that was farmed on my server is silly.

Better idea is to make scrolls drop in Tram at 50% rate, and give them a shard-bound property so scrolls farmed without risk cannot be transferred and sold for huge profits.

Bilbo said:

Ivenor said:

Pawain said:

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Nobody is forced to max scroll all of his Pets. 4 PS for each Char (105/110/115/120) for each Skill for 7 Chars for every Account are not enough? One can always buy/barter for more PS with other REAL players.

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Should I also consult you daily since you want to tell me how to play?  I doubt you 2 play at all.

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

Ivenor said:

Pawain said:

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Nobody is forced to max scroll all of his Pets. 4 PS for each Char (105/110/115/120) for each Skill for 7 Chars for every Account are not enough? One can always buy/barter for more PS with other REAL players.

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Should I also consult you daily since you want to tell me how to play?  I doubt you 2 play at all.

Isn't that what you are doing.  Yes I play when I am at home but right now do to RL I can't be.  The question is do you even play or do you just pull these ideas out of thin air.

Bilbo said:

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

Ivenor said:

Pawain said:

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Nobody is forced to max scroll all of his Pets. 4 PS for each Char (105/110/115/120) for each Skill for 7 Chars for every Account are not enough? One can always buy/barter for more PS with other REAL players.

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Should I also consult you daily since you want to tell me how to play?  I doubt you 2 play at all.

Isn't that what you are doing.  Yes I play when I am at home but right now do to RL I can't be.  The question is do you even play or do you just pull these ideas out of thin air.

None of these stupid things are my ideas.  Im responding to the stupid  ideas about only using 1 scroll. And you telling me how many scrolls my toon can have.

If any of you played, you would see that a pet with GM skills is far inferior to a pet with 120 scrolls.

But if all you kill is Artic Ogre Lords then you would not notice a difference.

I have no ideas for a thread that limits gameplay.  Because I play!

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

Ivenor said:

Pawain said:

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Nobody is forced to max scroll all of his Pets. 4 PS for each Char (105/110/115/120) for each Skill for 7 Chars for every Account are not enough? One can always buy/barter for more PS with other REAL players.

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Should I also consult you daily since you want to tell me how to play?  I doubt you 2 play at all.

Isn't that what you are doing.  Yes I play when I am at home but right now do to RL I can't be.  The question is do you even play or do you just pull these ideas out of thin air.

None of these stupid things are my ideas.  Im responding to the stupid  ideas about only using 1 scroll. And you telling me how many scrolls my toon can have.

If any of you played, you would see that a pet with GM skills is far inferior to a pet with 120 scrolls.

But if all you kill is Artic Ogre Lords then you would not notice a difference.

I have no ideas for a thread that limits gameplay.  Because I play!

If you look at the way they do quotes I was responding to Ivenor and you were part of his quote and then you direct quote me with a flippant question so what did you expect.  Maybe you need to take the time to see who is being directly quoted first.

This is yours:

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Only someone who does not play or does not do difficult things would have this opinion.

How many tests have you done with pets and scrolls?  What mob have you killed over and over and timed with and without scrolls?  I have done that.

They just need to separate pet power scrolls from player ones, and leave the player ones dropping as they currently do, and the pet ones at both FEL and NON-FEL spawns. So on a Fel spawn eg it drops 12 player scrolls (current rate i think) and an additional 6 pet scrolls. At the Non-Fel ones drop 12 pet ones. With the addition and potential of EJ and returning players it is gonna be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to scroll a pet as it nearly already is.

Keep saying this.  It is a simple solution and one that would open up the amount of scrolls needed for pets which far exceeds the need for player ones given that pets can use up to 7-8 per pet and people have multiple pets. It would also greatly improve game content on the other spawns and enjoyment for everyone.

Open up the 3 ilshenar spawns, (humilty, valor, spirit), the 2 malas spawns (labyrinth, bedlam) , the tokuko (sleeping dragon) and Eodon (dragon turtle) spawns to drop just PET scrolls.

There is ONLY benefits by doing this for ALL THE PLAYERS not just players who are into the pvp spawns.

@Kyronix @Mesanna @Bleak

Pawain said:

This is yours:

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Only someone who does not play or does not do difficult things would have this opinion.

How many tests have you done with pets and scrolls?  What mob have you killed over and over and timed with and without scrolls?  I have done that.

And you are assuming that after all this goes live that UO is not going to beef up the MOBs.  Everything has gotted harder for us from PUb16 on due to PSs and more high end gear.  Show me one BOSS that a 7xGM with GM gear can beat.  We will have more powerful pets so they will increase the MOBs and if your pet isn't upgraded just like you needed to do then you will be stuck doing low end MOBs.  And I am sorry but you need to look at who I said that to and look at the way it is stated but I guess you wouldn't know sarcasm if you saw it now would you.  Use you brain.

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

Pawain said:

Bilbo said:

Ivenor said:

Pawain said:

You bolded this part in your reply. 

and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.

How can I get multiple scrolls for my 42 pets.

Nobody is forced to max scroll all of his Pets. 4 PS for each Char (105/110/115/120) for each Skill for 7 Chars for every Account are not enough? One can always buy/barter for more PS with other REAL players.

Would that be like nobody is forced to max scroll their char?  We all know that a 7xGM can solo bosses or survive in PvP.  Pets will be no different.

Should I also consult you daily since you want to tell me how to play?  I doubt you 2 play at all.

Isn't that what you are doing.  Yes I play when I am at home but right now do to RL I can't be.  The question is do you even play or do you just pull these ideas out of thin air.

None of these stupid things are my ideas.  Im responding to the stupid  ideas about only using 1 scroll. And you telling me how many scrolls my toon can have.

If any of you played, you would see that a pet with GM skills is far inferior to a pet with 120 scrolls.

But if all you kill is Artic Ogre Lords then you would not notice a difference.

I have no ideas for a thread that limits gameplay.  Because I play!

Well, well: are we already at name-calling? 🙂

IMO it doesn't exist a STUPID idea (well, the today financialization of the RW economy beside... 😂 ) only idea that one doesn't agree with.

You don't agree with my ideas of "Quest-based, One-per-Char-Max-of-each-level" PS?

"Fine by me", "It Takes all Types", etc. But I kindly ask you to avoid to call my opinion stupid for the simple fact that you don't support them...

I.

I strongly suggest that you agree to differ on this topic.

Mariah said:

I strongly suggest that you agree to differ on this topic.

Fine by me. As they say, "Let's agree to disagree"... 😂

Bilbo said:

Making them shard bound fixes nothing because alls you have to do is go to another shard and eat them then go home.  Quit catering the the select few and put PSs in Tram or make Fel consensual PvP so everybody can go get their own without worrying about the the select few that control the spawn.

What scrolls do you want?

Can I just give them to you, to make it 100% risk free and no effort?

Or shall I create a risk free land and call it Trammel and stack it with the most valuable loots?

Oops, Devs already did that.

Delete Tram, make Trammies actually have to earn something for themselves for once instead of handing it all to them on a plate, then still having to listen to them whine how they don't have enough.

The Select Few is you Bilbo.

Cookie said:

Bilbo said:

Making them shard bound fixes nothing because alls you have to do is go to another shard and eat them then go home.  Quit catering the the select few and put PSs in Tram or make Fel consensual PvP so everybody can go get their own without worrying about the the select few that control the spawn.

(...)

Delete Tram, make Trammies actually have to earn something for themselves for once instead of handing it all to them on a plate, then still having to listen to them whine how they don't have enough.

(...)

So, to sum up:

TRAMMIES - Entitled bunch of couch potatoes afraid to go out and act as real men, ehr.. elfs, oops...gargs... darn! WHATEVER...
FELLIS - Bunch of crazed P(sycho)vP(sycho) maniacs that pratice the killing of each other's Mounts for the sake of it.

But... LOOOOOL!!! 😂

I play on a shard where EVERYTHING is shard bound. It does not seem to cripple our economy.

I do want to add my vote to the idea of PS for pets only, available thru non-fel champion spawns.

If I had my dream, the RNG would be almost completely nuked. All monsters would consistently drop the same things. PS and artifacts would be quest rewards - some repeatable, some not. Deco and other items also as quest rewards. But then, I really am not a fan of RNG lol

stop shard transfer would be nice, only problem is all the ppl who already have access to too many scrolls from farming and now would have an advantage

Problem with putting anything on a quest is it becomes highly scriptable.  Example heartwood runics.  Leave powerscrolls as is and make them shard bound.

Well I mean an actual quest lol. Like, do something here, kill something there, gather X amount of materials, etc. They can still be time sinks, just not a GRIND like the RNG is.

I just wish there were more PS's above 110 on my low population shard.  I feel the huge increase in PS need/want for pets (say 6 to 9 PS 120s per pet) and most Tamers like myself will have multiple pets they want to advance to 120 has put a huge demand on the shrinking supply of 120 PSs.  I've played for 18+ years, multiple accounts and like some as age advances have some health issues that reduce any desire I have to go to Fel.  I've been there, been lied to a lot, PK'd over and over, it's just not my cup of tea, so allow me to share my feelings without name calling or jumping down my throat... I'm probably older than you, but still love the game.  I've been to live town halls in Seattle and was amazed that Fel players just couldn't figure out why we didn't want to go to Fel, to lose our stuff to you, lose lots of Insurance money, and take all the abuse Fel folks loved to dish out.  Amazing!  Abuse us then wonder why Fel lost players? 

Okay, so I save my UO gold, never purchased 1 gps, and buy some things to buff up characters, and PSs when (IF) available.  But since Pet Imbuing hit, the supply of PSs has plummeted, and prices have likely increased.  You might want 5-6 PS 120s on your Tamer, and some other chars but holy cow... maybe 20-50+ 120 PSs for all your favorite pets?  I bet a number of Tamers have given up hope to acquire all those 120s!  I don't think I've been able to get any the past few months.  At first I was hopeful with all the new excitement I had about Pet Imbuing, but hope came crashing down with almost no supply of 120s.

There is no consensus in previous comments.  I noticed that some want to dictate what others do, bad feeling in the mouth and heart if that is allowed to happen.  Some argue the same beneficial result by doing 180 degree opposite "solutions".  Crazy.

Devs are married to the notion of PSs ONLY in Fel, but I sure wish there was a less stressful way of getting PSs than being abused in Fel, or forever waiting (and giving up) to find PSs on my home shard.  Just fix it so we have a chance, playing it our way, rather than favoring scripters, multiboxers, and those who almost live only to play UO and dominate everyone else.  It's supposed to be fun!  Because if it ceases being fun, I'll just walk away, no longer helping to drive the UO economy.

Thanks for listening!

Kiera, Tamer (one of my fav chars)

Very well said @Kiera

Getting PS's is nothing but a choice a player makes.  You can choose to take the chance of running spawns and getting raided so your scrolls are free, or you can stay in safe facets and make your gold doing any of the content there and then buying the scrolls you need.  There is nothing wrong with PS's being fel only, its a risk v reward option.  If you choose to stay in trammel then live with your decision.

Put PS's on the in game store already and be done with it..this is a no brainer.

Garth_Grey said:

Put PS's on the in game store already and be done with it..this is a no brainer.

YES YES YES but could you hear the whining already, LOL.

There would whining for a little while from a few  and much rejoicing at EA/BS whoever, when they see the dollars rolling in.

yes and they could still keep their fel spawn but would have to undercut UO to sell them, LOL

Ivenor said:

The answer, IMO, is making white PS scrolls available ONLY through completion of skill-related Quests, as it is now for Imbuing, and make those Quests NOT REPEATABLE for a specific Char.
Limit the scroll dumps at Spanws to pink SoT and blue SoA, bumpig up the quantity.
My 2 GPs.
I.

No just no. 

General chat on Atlantic there is currently a harrower being unraided on a Friday night during peak play hours so this discussion isn't even worth taking part of.

There is 0 sense in catering to select few that won't even attempt to earn the reward as it currently stands.

The_Higgs_1 said:

Getting PS's is nothing but a choice a player makes.  You can choose to take the chance of running spawns and getting raided so your scrolls are free, or you can stay in safe facets and make your gold doing any of the content there and then buying the scrolls you need.  There is nothing wrong with PS's being fel only, its a risk v reward option.  If you choose to stay in trammel then live with your decision.

The last sentence sounds unnecessarily condescending.  My post made it crystal clear I choose Tram over the perverse gauntlet of mistreatment one risks being in Fel.  Long ago I realized I could save up gold, selling some goodies, building my bank to purchase some PSs and other upper end goodies.  My heartfelt lament is that the good part of Pet Imbuing whetted my appetite to earmark applying Pet Points for future PSs and planning on purchasing a number of PSs which is just crushed by disappointment due to the shear lack of PSs to apply to multiple pets!  Pet Imbuing is fantastic, BUT it really skews the PS economy by creating short or nonexistent supply due to high demand not only on my less populated shard but also the larger shards (looking at you Atlantic) players coming over to my shard snapping up what few PSs we have.

When things become unpleasant enough, players... real people spending real money tire of paying it each month (I've paid for three accounts for years) and they walk away from the game.  People can reach a boredom and or breaking point where they go elsewhere for fun time.  I sincerely want this game to stay viable for a long time to come!  I'm not saying I'll stamp my feet in a huff and threaten to quit, but I'm pointing out that people come for interest and novelty, they stay for the fun, and they leave if they are too frustrated.  Fact of life.  The economy of PS availability in light of the huge increase in demand with addition of Pet Imbuing is causing growing frustration when it doesn't feel fair where there is no increase in supply except for the Rich and Alpha PVP player types.  I just want this imbalance in PS economy fixed!  Having Pet Imbuing is like having a fast boat or car where you can never open the throttle up, and with pets effectively limited to GM 100 due to lack of PS supply just seems short sighted if allowed to continue indefinitely at which point... well lets hope the Devs figure out something that will work instead of letting the Rich few or Alpha PVPers bend the Devs completely to their will.

Fix it please!

Thanks!
Kiera,
Legendary Tamer, Lore, Vetting

Kiera, I have directly copied a post of mine from Stratics for you, as I believe it is a completely relevant response to all of you in your mindset. I don't want to put you down, I get your thinking, but I genuinely feel it is within your power to do something about it yourself. The obstacles you have built up in your mind, hardly exist.

Here goes;

I mostly do Champ Spawns.
I've always enjoyed them, I mostly do them with my guild, we do a fair few, we are quite an active shard (Europa), but only 4 guilds can be said to do Champ Spawns, W, TUK, DiE and Pro.

Point 1.
Even though I get quite a few scrolls, I don't get so many 20's, it's quite a low drop rate, I rarely get to sell them outside my guild - I either collect, sell a few, or give them to guildies. So whilst it's a major part of my playstyle, there aren't that many to sell out. (So you are best off doing it yourself).

Point 2.
It's like the above poster says, there are very few players actually doing them, if players want them, they can do something about it, they are easy enough to get.

Point 3.
There are 20 Champ Spawn locations. Oaks, Deceit, Despise, Destard, Fire, Turtle, Marble, Damwin, CoD, Ice East, Ice West, Tortoise, Khaldun, Hoppers Bog, Desert, Oasis, Abyssal , Primeevil Lich, Terra and Terra Sanctum. It takes me 15 solid minutes to scout all of these. A Baracoon spawn takes 10 minutes to do. It has happened to me before, that I have scouted every single Champ Spawn, and by the time I've got back to the first one, someone has done it. They are quick to do.

Point 4.
There are 24 hours in a day. No PvPer is so dedicated they are scouting all that time, at max, they will do 2 full scout runs a day. Early mornings, afternoon, late evenings are usually completely left alone.

Point 5.
PvPers usually just want easy PvP, many of them just hang round Yew Gate trolling just to get someone to come to them, they are lazy, or just focused on wanting PvP, 95% do not even scout.

Point 6.
You can even bind them, so it gets easier, it isn't even random, you are almost guaranteed to get there in the end.

Point 7.
Many of them can even be soloed.

Point 8.
Most PvPers only scout maximum 7 spawns. Destard, Despise, Terra, Deceit, Ice East, Ice West, Marble - leaving 13 unscouted at all times.

Point 9.
You just need to be discreet. Maintain radio silence. Don't show up at Luna with your fancy slayer weapon. Don't talk about it in general chat, only talk about it with trusted friends, in private. Don't go leaving evidence you are doing spawns, no primers or equipment dropped on the ground, don't use Star Room, don't all go piling into Luna after a run - PvPers are very good at picking up on these clues. Let the PvPers think it is completely inactive, the moment they know there is activity, they will pay more attention.

Point 10.
Team up with the PvPers. On our shard, our 4 PvP guilds have plenty of PvMers, we need them to get stuff done ourselves! We do also PvM when there is no PvP. Make friends, work as a team. As a Veteran PvP guild, we often have no purpose in the game, so when someone new joins us, and needs stuff, it actually gives us a purpose, and a reason to go out and spawn, pvm, pvp. We need a reason to exist also.

How much more do you want?

I really don't believe there is any excuse for the current lack of Powerscrolls on the market, it's just that players are lazy, and like to whine. We've had quite a few new players join us recently, we do scrolls with them, they join in, no problems. Even for us it's quite slow getting them scrolled up (except Stat scrolls, they are like water for me as we are the best Harry guild in existence ), but like anything, it takes effort. You're all happy spending all day in the Roof, or Doom, or Medusa for your 200m Arties, but struggle to find a way to do something for a 50m item that's really surprisingly easy?

Bilbo said:

Garth_Grey said:

Put PS's on the in game store already and be done with it..this is a no brainer.

YES YES YES but could you hear the whining already, LOL.

Anyone else see the irony that the above quotes IS the whining?

It is not that difficult to do a champ spawn... I think we can all agree on that. And yes, it's very possible to run one - even several, specially on a low population shard - without getting noticed. That is not the point.

The point is that PvP generally involves a certain degree of aggression. Many (most) PvPers enjoy trash talk and other behavior specifically designed to insult, degrade, and humiliate their opponent. Not every one enjoys this treatment, or finds the risk of it enjoyable. It is not fun. Now, you can call people who avoid doing un-fun things lazy, but the fact remains that people who do enough unenjoyable things end up leaving and playing a game that IS fun to them.

When we just needed an occasional 120 for our main char, it was fine to save up and buy it from those who enjoy the fel champion spawns. Now, tho, we need them for pets. Most tamers have more than 1 trained pet, and most will end up trying different templates. It is a lot of scrolls.

I get that the devs want to improve the allure of PvP for UO. I get that there are lots of folks who enjoy it. But maybe upping the drop rate on the scrolls in fel champs, or adding pet-only ones that can be obtained without the abuse of PvP, is not such a bad idea.

Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

And for everyone else, create a fel only shard.

Tanager said:

It is not that difficult to do a champ spawn... I think we can all agree on that. And yes, it's very possible to run one - even several, specially on a low population shard - without getting noticed. That is not the point.

The point is that PvP generally involves a certain degree of aggression. Many (most) PvPers enjoy trash talk and other behavior specifically designed to insult, degrade, and humiliate their opponent. Not every one enjoys this treatment, or finds the risk of it enjoyable. It is not fun. Now, you can call people who avoid doing un-fun things lazy, but the fact remains that people who do enough unenjoyable things end up leaving and playing a game that IS fun to them.

When we just needed an occasional 120 for our main char, it was fine to save up and buy it from those who enjoy the fel champion spawns. Now, tho, we need them for pets. Most tamers have more than 1 trained pet, and most will end up trying different templates. It is a lot of scrolls.

I get that the devs want to improve the allure of PvP for UO. I get that there are lots of folks who enjoy it. But maybe upping the drop rate on the scrolls in fel champs, or adding pet-only ones that can be obtained without the abuse of PvP, is not such a bad idea.

Hey Tanager,

You don't have your full set of scrolls for your pets - I don't have my full set of Cameo's, or many other things. It's all a work in progress. I get that you suddenly have a large need, and the game isn't supplying it very fast right now.

But rest assured, is Spawners/PvPers are out there working our butts off for you guys ! 🙂 Give it time I guess.

In the same way you are for Cameo's, Doom arties, etc.

I'd almost suggest, the price of both could be brought down a long way (Scrolls and Trammel Arties). 50m a scroll, and 200m for a Trammel Arty seem ridiculous.

I just wanted to touch on another aspect of your post. You mention PvPers are aggressive - Yes for sure, quite openly aggressive. Did you know everyone is aggressive? Whether they admit it or not? If you go to Trammel, players are prevented from being openly aggressive, and instead resort to Passive Aggression. Think about how certain players in Trammel react when their spawn is taken - luring anyone? They do it here on these boards (trolling from safety), they do it ingame.

I did a very explicit post on Stratics about this, and earned myself a warning for that one, even though I was completely correct.

My question for you, which is more honest (open or passive aggression?), and I have a strong belief open aggression is far more healthy for you, to get it out there, and not bottle it all in. Look at the state of Trammies, and how they think and act about things, it's dire (Passive Aggression is far more damaging to everyone in the long run, it builds up all these barriers of resentment in the mind, and they create seriously biased thought processes). I know I am veering heavily into psychology here.

Should people be separated, or should they learn to get on?

look, straight up if you aren't willing to do a champ spawn cause u don't want ur feelings hurt, then go buy the scrolls. don't try to take away one of the last remnants of a dangerous and exciting Felucca because u want everything handed to you. Doing roof runs is way harder than the damn champ spawns, but u guys can't take the time to find and scout the spawns and just deal with PK's? You want the scrolls? Do what it takes or stop complaining about it. 

I've been murked so many times by murderers, and it makes me happy, cause I'm coming back for them one day with a vengeance. I love that there are bad guys, playing the bad guy role. If someone is 'Abusing' you then page a Game Master and report the sucker. 

Trammel has created this world of learned helplessness where people cant even deal with what UO really is, unfiltered and raw. Felucca is the real UO by the way, but most people don't remember before Renaissance apparently, and just love their cake just handed to them. 

I play exclusively on Siege Perilous, because I think freedom is the most fun game play. You cannot really predict what people will do, and I find that interesting and fun. On Siege, most people either learn to get along or eventually get driven off the shard (or leave out of boredom because no one will play with them). So, imo, Siege is the most healthy environment :P

In my opinion, the folks who find some sort of outlet for aggression in a game is prolly healthier than looking for an RL fight in a bar somewhere, or a variety of other ways. I have no issue with champ spawns, or the risk of them. For me, I find PvP very distasteful but I can ignore it with little more than an eyeroll.

My comment was more for the people who just do not like PvP, who can't help but get upset by the aggression. They feel like they are forced into PvP in order to get what has become, essentially, a basic need for a tamer (PvM) build. While I personally do not enjoy Trammel, I recognize that the majority of players do. And the majority is what keeps the lights on, including Siege. This thing with PS and their lack of availability is a building pressure bomb imo.

Tanager said:

I play exclusively on Siege Perilous, because I think freedom is the most fun game play. You cannot really predict what people will do, and I find that interesting and fun. On Siege, most people either learn to get along or eventually get driven off the shard (or leave out of boredom because no one will play with them). So, imo, Siege is the most healthy environment :P

In my opinion, the folks who find some sort of outlet for aggression in a game is prolly healthier than looking for an RL fight in a bar somewhere, or a variety of other ways. I have no issue with champ spawns, or the risk of them. For me, I find PvP very distasteful but I can ignore it with little more than an eyeroll.

My comment was more for the people who just do not like PvP, who can't help but get upset by the aggression. They feel like they are forced into PvP in order to get what has become, essentially, a basic need for a tamer (PvM) build. While I personally do not enjoy Trammel, I recognize that the majority of players do. And the majority is what keeps the lights on, including Siege. This thing with PS and their lack of availability is a building pressure bomb imo.

Perfect response 🙂 , you guys on Siege play the game properly, have the right game environment and attitudes.

You've already stated Champ spawns are easy enough, we all know they are. Players can do them without ever being found.

If a player is found, and killed, they can dehumanise it quite effectively, what is the difference between being killed by a boss, or a player in a game? How come one is very acceptable, and no issue, and the other is? So they can pretend it is an NPC killing them, they can place them on ignore, it just becomes a lost hunt, this happenes in PvM also. It makes the feeling of achieving the objective when they do, even more sweet - the reward is far more truly earned.

I believe players can directly get off their backsides, overcome their mental blocks, and go and do something about this. The lack of power-scrolls, is a player driven issue.

The building presume bomb is the whole point of the scrolls.... they put scrolls in there to bring ppl to fel, trammies just need to adapt to the environment. We fellucans have to go to tram to get legendary gear.

Also, ppl tend to be majority trammies because they are now born in Trammel, and learned everything in Trammel. It is kind of sad actually. Now the real UO world is like this abstract scary thing that nobody wants to participate in. There are only Pk's running around because all the other players let them take Felucca over... Fel needs ppl to come back and start defending the weak, not running to Trammel for cover. 

Mervyn said:

Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's.

And for everyone else, create a fel only shard.

I always like a good Julius Ceasar quote.

Alea Iacta Est.

*smiles*

I agree with you, Cookie 🙂

However, the vast majority of humans on this planet have various levels of hangups and issues (including me lol). Therefor, so do the vast majority of gamers. Siege is no exception - there is plenty of what I consider unhealthy behavior here. As far as gaming goes, I am not interested in trying to change them - it's really not practical.

Instead, I try to understand where they are coming from. Most people just want to log in and take a time out from reality. They want to do their own thing in their own way without interruption, which is why most prefer PvM in Trammel. In an MMO, they can do this with friends. Monsters are predictable and boring, and if I die to one I am actually more annoyed than if I get PKd and drylooted by a player lol. But, to each their own.

There are many pure PvP MMOs out there with maybe a touch of PvM. Other MMOs are 99% PvM with a tiny offering of PvP. The trouble with UO is that it is trying to balance both equally and that is, and always has been, nearly impossible.

Holy Crap Tanager is getting complimented on her PvP knowledge...the sky has fallen...ahhhhh :P  and she knows I luvs her...