What client do you play? CC or EC?

  

EC for the bump 😂

This appears to be much closer than previous polls on other sites. I wonder why that is?  

Probalby because you actually have to have an active account and can only have ONE forum account per ea mythic account, instead of creating multiple accounts elsewhere.

Some people have multippe UO accounts. I believe there is a guy with 24 accounts. One such person can significantly distort the results here. And they already have the accounts..don't even have to make them, like elsewhere.

Unless you have 24 master accounts you can't.  Your login is based on Master Accounts not UO Accounts.

It would save a lot of wasted electrons if Broadsword would just publish the percent log ons for each client, they should have the numbers. After all this web site can tell what browser your using.
The actual numbers of log ons would be secret financial info but just a % number shouldn't be ok.

Tim said:

It would save a lot of wasted electrons if Broadsword would just publish the percent log ons for each client, they should have the numbers. After all this web site can tell what browser your using.
The actual numbers of log ons would be secret financial info but just a % number shouldn't be ok.

This will never happen EA does not tell you how many subs it games has.  There is enough people using each client that closing one client over another will close UO and UO knows it.  Polls here or on Stratics prove nothing because not every player uses these forums and you leave out the Asian player base.  What is the problem with 2 clients?  does it ruin your game play knowing someone else may be playing another client?  I am just thankful that they are playing and I could care less which client the use.

They could display login type metrics, such as which client is being used, if they displayed it as a percentage without giving the actual number of logins. They could do that for a lot of things.

Regardless, Mesanna has repeatedly stated that the clients are pretty much evenly split...and in this instance3, she has no real reason to obfuscate.

 

Dot_Warner said:

They could display login type metrics, such as which client is being used, if they displayed it as a percentage without giving the actual number of logins. They could do that for a lot of things.

Regardless, Mesanna has repeatedly stated that the clients are pretty much evenly split...and in this instance3, she has no real reason to obfuscate.

 

There is a lot of things they could do but don't and telling us numbers is one they do not do.  I can't say yea or no about the split but IMHO Mesanna said they were split so neither side had a I told you so moment and left it at that.

Bilbo said:

Unless you have 24 master accounts you can't.  Your login is based on Master Accounts not UO Accounts.

The login for this forum is per UO account, not master account.

As for the client split.. the CC was finally updated and will receive more updates now. So I wonder if that changes the usage. 

You don't have an option for BOTH so I didn't vote..as I play both 🙂

Yes, some have pointed that out. I had in mind "Which client do you prefer to play, if you have to choose?".. but worded it this way. 

InLor said:

Bilbo said:

Unless you have 24 master accounts you can't.  Your login is based on Master Accounts not UO Accounts.

The login for this forum is per UO account, not master account.

All my accounts under this master account all login into this person.  It ha already been proven, sorry.

well... if the client wasn't used much, it wouldn't be getting updated with every patch. in development, if there is no return on work, the work is dropped. simple business, no need a poll.

InLor said:

The login for this forum is per UO account, not master account.

you are incorrect. Login for this forum absolutely is per master account.

Max_Blackoak said:

InLor said:

The login for this forum is per UO account, not master account.

you are incorrect. Login for this forum absolutely is per master account.

Yes, that was already said. 🙂

EC can't remember how to do anything in CC now.

CC for 90% of my gaming but EC w/ Pinco's for farming mats. The auto loot agent just can't be beat. I made 500 gorgon lens last week farming mats when it would of taken me a month using the CC.

The CC looks nicer to me. Less eye candy but also more functional for my play style.

I still can't stand how all males in the EC look like they're squatting to take a dump under their robes.

Acid_Rain said:

I still can't stand how all males in the EC look like they're squatting to take a dump under their robes.

 😂 

I play EH, but it drives me up the wall how the paperdoll of female characters who wear boots look like they've stuffed their legs into sausage casings. I dye the boots black so they blend with the background. Wish I could stand to have my characters wear colored boots.

At least in the EC female characters stand tall. Shoulders back in a look of confident control, they look proud and formidable. My guys look constipated with bowel issues, hunched over looking for the closest toilet.

EC has a legacy (CC) option for the paper dolls. It has legacy option for containers, targeting, chat - many things.  You can even have the look of CC spell/ability icons scattered all over the place if you make each hotbar 1-icon only and put it where ever you want. Don't need any extra UI for these, just have to dig around in options a bit.

I use CC to check my deco because some things don't sit the same, and I also check my outfits to make sure neither client looks horrid on me. I'm vain like that. (For example, my favorite EC long curly hair turns out to be the fro in CC. Nothin against the fro, but not my style.) I also use CC for house customization because EC fails. EC health bars are constantly hiccuping and require a relog to fix. EC all names has issues. EC circle of trans is a bit of a joke.

However, CC has issues of its own and for me the pros of EC far outweigh CC.

I play CC because I think the art is fantastic, it is nostalgic.   But I will say EC functionality is luring me over.

Also EC art/animations/graphics are ugly as sin.

Most EC art seems to be the same to me as CC. The landscape, creatures, and spell animations are the only differences that I notice. Things like container art and character screen can be set to CC artwork. Most items and building aspects look basically the same to me, though.

I like some CC art more than EC, but mostly I like EC art more. EC Cu Sidhe for example is just lovely. EC hyru though... not so much lol. But then, I have not been playing UO for as long as others, so the nostalgia factor is different for me.

Tanager said:

Most EC art seems to be the same to me as CC. The landscape, creatures, and spell animations are the only differences that I notice. Things like container art and character screen can be set to CC artwork. Most items and building aspects look basically the same to me, though.

I like some CC art more than EC, but mostly I like EC art more. EC Cu Sidhe for example is just lovely. EC hyru though... not so much lol. But then, I have not been playing UO for as long as others, so the nostalgia factor is different for me.

I did not know I could use CC player Art in EC.  I guess I should give it another chance.

Tanager said:

EC has a legacy (CC) option for the paper dolls. 

I used that for awhile, and it was nice, until I discovered that dragon scale armor is shown as plain ugly armor on the female paper doll, which is what my main character wears. It works for male characters, though.

I would put all efforts into upgrading CC to have all the features of EC, and then kill EC. I've given EC a chance a million times. It's simply an abomination. I don't like 80% of the graphics. While the 2d art is actually in style (retro) and aged pretty well, the 3D just looks dated.

It's not just aesthetics either. Many things don't look right in EC in a functional sense. Pet colors, armors, hues. Next, the gameplay doesn't feel or look right. The characters are too big for the mounts. They look dorky. The walking/running feels completely out of sync. The legs don't actually land on the ground, they glide. The gait is all wrong. It goes on and on.While the CC has the stop-motion framerate (this can be upgraded), it just feels snappier, tighter and smoother to play in.

Back to the graphics. Here's a simple example, the energy vortex:
CC
 
EC


CC: A cool, actual vortex-like looking graphic
EC: Hazy blue bloud with sparkles. 

Yeah, no. There is no end to examples like this, where the EC version is just shabby, whack, unfitting... you name it.

I would revamp the classic client, call it Classic Client Enhanced. Allow for macros/settings to be copied over from EC and add all top EC features (grid containers, zoom, screen resize, etc.).. then dump EC already. I would replace some of the CC art where it clearly seems fitting and aesthetically an upgrade (certain tiles, creatures), etc.

AMEN  How can you honestly play something you can not stand to look at.

Art is a matter of perspective lol. In your example, the CC EV looks like a purple blob drawn with a crayon, but the EC one is shiny and ethereal like.. well, like energy.

The CC version of the EV looks like a pink-ish Michelin man with his legs stuck together.

The EC gives me a headache within 10 seconds.  

The Hiryu looks like a plucked bird. 

I sure wish i had my Void Mare in EC

I play CC

jaytin said:

The CC version of the EV looks like a pink-ish Michelin man with his legs stuck together.

But it's an actual vortex.

InLor said:

jaytin said:

The CC version of the EV looks like a pink-ish Michelin man with his legs stuck together.

But it's an actual vortex.

No, it's a purple Air Elemental.

Garth_Grey said:

InLor said:

jaytin said:

The CC version of the EV looks like a pink-ish Michelin man with his legs stuck together.

But it's an actual vortex.

No, it's a purple Air Elemental. 

😂

InLor said:

I would put all efforts into upgrading CC to have all the features of EC, and then kill EC. I've given EC a chance a million times. It's simply an abomination. I don't like 80% of the graphics. While the 2d art is actually in style (retro) and aged pretty well, the 3D just looks dated.

It's not just aesthetics either. Many things don't look right in EC in a functional sense. Pet colors, armors, hues. Next, the gameplay doesn't feel or look right. The characters are too big for the mounts. They look dorky. The walking/running feels completely out of sync. The legs don't actually land on the ground, they glide. The gait is all wrong. It goes on and on.While the CC has the stop-motion framerate (this can be upgraded), it just feels snappier, tighter and smoother to play in.

Back to the graphics. Here's a simple example, the energy vortex:
CC
 
EC


CC: A cool, actual vortex-like looking graphic
EC: Hazy blue bloud with sparkles. 

Yeah, no. There is no end to examples like this, where the EC version is just shabby, whack, unfitting... you name it.

I would revamp the classic client, call it Classic Client Enhanced. Allow for macros/settings to be copied over from EC and add all top EC features (grid containers, zoom, screen resize, etc.).. then dump EC already. I would replace some of the CC art where it clearly seems fitting and aesthetically an upgrade (certain tiles, creatures), etc.

Ha ha well each to their own, the example you provided shows a spinning lumpy purple dog poo that actually doesnt have anywhere near the 'energy' of the blue cloud, which actually shows an inner spark that you would get with energy!  The only reason you prefer the lumpy dog poo one is that that is what you are used to :P.  

MissE said:

InLor said:

I would put all efforts into upgrading CC to have all the features of EC, and then kill EC. I've given EC a chance a million times. It's simply an abomination. I don't like 80% of the graphics. While the 2d art is actually in style (retro) and aged pretty well, the 3D just looks dated.

It's not just aesthetics either. Many things don't look right in EC in a functional sense. Pet colors, armors, hues. Next, the gameplay doesn't feel or look right. The characters are too big for the mounts. They look dorky. The walking/running feels completely out of sync. The legs don't actually land on the ground, they glide. The gait is all wrong. It goes on and on.While the CC has the stop-motion framerate (this can be upgraded), it just feels snappier, tighter and smoother to play in.

Back to the graphics. Here's a simple example, the energy vortex:
CC
 
EC


CC: A cool, actual vortex-like looking graphic
EC: Hazy blue bloud with sparkles. 

Yeah, no. There is no end to examples like this, where the EC version is just shabby, whack, unfitting... you name it.

I would revamp the classic client, call it Classic Client Enhanced. Allow for macros/settings to be copied over from EC and add all top EC features (grid containers, zoom, screen resize, etc.).. then dump EC already. I would replace some of the CC art where it clearly seems fitting and aesthetically an upgrade (certain tiles, creatures), etc.

Ha ha well each to their own, the example you provided shows a spinning lumpy purple dog poo that actually doesnt have anywhere near the 'energy' of the blue cloud, which actually shows an inner spark that you would get with energy!  The only reason you prefer the lumpy dog poo one is that that is what you are used to :P.  

The Energy Vortex in motion on CC looks better to me and it's because a vortex is a whirling mass of fluid or air, which in the CC is actually the case. On EC it's blue haze with sparkles, and it's incredibly poorly done. I obviously would like it to be updated for higher fidelity.

This post hit the nail right on the head.... I love all the FEATURES of the enhanced client.... BUT the graphics for the players/mounts are AWFUL... The paperdolls are AWFUL... Classic Client has better graphics for the players themselves which is what you are looking at 99.99% of the time....

I do ENJOY the look of the WORLD in the enhanced client... but man.. the graphics for a lot of the avatars/weapons/mounts are terrible.... like they are really REALLY BAD...

PLEASE, can you CHANGE THE GRAPHICS of the enhanced clients AVATARS IN GAME & IN PAPERDOLL to LEGACY. Including the weapons/mounts/etc...

Everyone keeps saying the same damn thing. HOW COME DEVS NEVER FLIPPING LISTEN TO WHAT PLAYERS ARE SCREAMING FOR.  AND HOW DO THEY NOT SEE HOW UGLY AS HELL THE ART/GRAPHICS ARE IN THE ENHANCED CLIENT FOR MOUNTS/AVATARS/ETC.

Lord_Frodo said:

AMEN  How can you honestly play something you can not stand to look at.

This. 

The player characters are ugly as hell in E.C..... World looks great, features are amazing but the players/weapons/mounts are UGLY... What do you look at 99.99% of the time, UGLY TOON in E.C.....

I remember the third dawn client fire steed, man that was one of my favorite models ever.  With a flame animation and even fire crackling.  That was a long time ago.  I remember how much that client crashed too.  I will say EC stablity has been refreshing since I came back last year.  Ive never been overly attached to the graphics, I much prefer the larger area view in EC.

Zylo said:

This post hit the nail right on the head.... I love all the FEATURES of the enhanced client.... BUT the graphics for the players/mounts are AWFUL... The paperdolls are AWFUL... Classic Client has better graphics for the players themselves which is what you are looking at 99.99% of the time....

I do ENJOY the look of the WORLD in the enhanced client... but man.. the graphics for a lot of the avatars/weapons/mounts are terrible.... like they are really REALLY BAD...

PLEASE, can you CHANGE THE GRAPHICS of the enhanced clients AVATARS IN GAME & IN PAPERDOLL to LEGACY. Including the weapons/mounts/etc...

Everyone keeps saying the same damn thing. HOW COME DEVS NEVER FLIPPING LISTEN TO WHAT PLAYERS ARE SCREAMING FOR.  AND HOW DO THEY NOT SEE HOW UGLY AS HELL THE ART/GRAPHICS ARE IN THE ENHANCED CLIENT FOR MOUNTS/AVATARS/ETC.

CC graphics are:

1. Ugly as hell

2. Outdated

3. Jerky movements like in a Windows 3.11 Game

4. CC is TERRIBLE

EC is marginally better but atleast no jerky movement and some artworks are ...ok...

WHY was KR scrapped and not further developed ????

KR was not sooo bad if they had made the artwork a little more HD - The bugs and playability was a different story, but that... could have been improved

As sad as it is  - if UO one day goes down the drain - a BIG fault will be on the books of the people who never wanted to switch from CC and their Win98 computers...

I find the CC very jerky too, I asked a relative to try UO and she said that the jerking in the CC gave her a headache so she wouldn't come back. Maybe I should have asked her to try the EC but I was still using the CC at that point. The Devs have already stated that most of the features of the EC cannot be added to the CC, it's just too old, as for adding the CC graphics to the EC, well I couldn't really care less about that one way or the other, (except the paperdoll, I don't like the CC one!) but if they could do that surely they would have done it already?

@Rock I totally agree, it's the very reason that I refused to use the EC for years, I thought they were trying to sneak KR on me! Some of KR was fine but somehow it was all a bit washed-out looking. When I finally tried the EC I got quite a shock, it didn't look that different so long as I wasn't zoomed too much. I stuck with it for a couple of weeks and never looked back.

InLor said:

  

I play both. I use UOA with clasic when training and EC when hunting because of the loot all feature in each corpse and the scavenger agent for picking up dropped gold.

For me:
EC by far, i really can't stand the ultra old GUI and graphics of CC anymore.

CC is just how the game was intended to look/play.

 They made a 3D mock up of Ultima Online 2 that in my opinion looked terrible, like a less cool Ever Quest, and I'm not an EQ fanatic. And it didn't even make it into the marketplace. It didn't need to, Ultima just works with pixelated ghettometric graphics. I just down loaded EC and tried it again, and couldn't roll around the block from my house before I just logged out and back into CC. It's just that bad for me. If you zoom in it's terrible, if you zoom out it's terrible, if you try looking around your house, it's terrible. Just no way I would ever play this game if EC was the only option available. I'm so glad CC is still kicking. Maybe if they gave us an option to forego some of the so called benefits of EC like zoom or whatever else is keeping them from importing CC artwork in I could stand it, but as it is EC is a complete disaster for me. Totally unbearable, yuck, like trying to go to someone's house that has piles of poop on everything, and trying to act like you're just ok with it, and maybe almost walking over to sit on a couch covered in poop, but then just stepping back and hanging out by the door. And leaving. And never going back. Yuck.