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new idoc troubles,,,Le Sigh....

Started by Dixie_of_Chessy1 · 2020-04-04 · 46 posts · General Discussions
#0
well since it was tested for like a whole hour on test shard there seems to be a new problem with idocs that was over looked *coughs aside from deleting vet rewards Coughs coughs*   people have found a way to annoy other players already.  The casting area outside the barrel fence apparently isnt restricted. so people line up mages around the outside and continually invis the players smacking the barrels. this not only tabs u out of war mode but im fairly sure u dont get loot when the barrel busts if your invised because i was smacking 6 barrels and only got loot from two, which wasnt much loot at all......  so i dunno yall might wanna widen the casting restrictions a few more squares out around the barrel fence......
#1
Were you 2 squares from the barrel when it was destroyed?  And if you are attended you can keep clicking to attack.

And the main question, were they just invising you?
#2
i was in the middle of 6 barrels, with their lifebars  within 2 squares of each barrel.... i didnt realize i was being invised because there were 9000 people there and atleast 6 of them were giant blueberrys. yes they were just invising me which was making me tab out when i was trying to hit barrels... i didnt notice my tiny white UO finger wasnt red anymore.       
#3
if you constantly invising somoene anywhere else in this game then u are harassing them, they have just found a way to exploit it at idocs now. that way their 20 bots that are smackin barrels beside you get the loot that u thought u were getting part of.....  
#4
Yup that fits Harassment.  They will tell you to page on them.  
#5
May I draw your attention to the rule listed in the publish notes:

Players may not damage barrels unless they can hold 50 items and 100 stones in their backpack.
6 barrels = possibly 600 items. My best guess as to what happened was you got contents from the first two to break, after that you were unable to receive more because you did not meet that criteria.
Having said that, such behavior is harassement, and no amount of testing reveals this kind of problem. Players don't misbehave at testing events.
#6
Well in her defense, she was too busy to notice that someone was invising her...wtf ???...so I doubt she noticed she was also overweight ? Ahh idocs bring out the best in everyone don't they ?
#7
Frustrating for sure. 

I do find it interesting the game dynamics that are revealed through things like this. If you really understand the intricacies of the game dynamics you can really do some interesting things. For the good or evil..... 
#8
How do you attack 6 barrels an once?
#9
How do you attack 6 barrels an once?
If there's a lot of items in a small footprint the barrels can be really close.  They break so fast you almost have to find a spot where you can hit multiples.All the barrels are gone when you are done with yours.

Also, you are not guaranteed 100 items and not all barrels contain 100 items.  I broke 2 and got 20 items. 12 and 8.  Only one other person was hitting them with me.


#10
Pawain said:
How do you attack 6 barrels an once?
If there's a lot of items in a small footprint the barrels can be really close.  They break so fast you almost have to find a spot where you can hit multiples.All the barrels are gone when you are done with yours.

Also, you are not guaranteed 100 items and not all barrels contain 100 items.  I broke 2 and got 20 items. 12 and 8.  Only one other person was hitting them with me.


So if the barrels are close together and you hit one barrel you could do damage to more than the barrel you are hitting.
#11
No, it follows looting rights. Do enough damage, then switch targets
#12
No, you hit one for a few hits then hit the others next to you if a lot of ppl are there. If theres not a lot you can stand in the same spot and hit til gone then hit the others.  The barrels tend to spawn in clumps it seems.  You can pull up heathbars on the barrels.

I can imagine it being so crowded that you may not notice you are not hitting anything.

Also some players dont understand that the barrier barrels have nothing in them. You may see players keep hitting those instead of going inside.  We yelled out in chat to go inside and hit those.
#13
Well in her defense, she was too busy to notice that someone was invising her...wtf ???...so I doubt she noticed she was also overweight ? Ahh idocs bring out the best in everyone don't they ?
You are like a Monday morning quarterback that did not even watch the game.
#14
Hey!  Sports are suspended due to the virus, don't be mentioning them :p 
#15
Well in her defense, she was too busy to notice that someone was invising her...wtf ???...so I doubt she noticed she was also overweight ? Ahh idocs bring out the best in everyone don't they ?
now tell me if im invised.....     this is after people had spread out a little , and i had dropped the 10 lifebars i had on my screen... or u know just make another snippy comment about something u know nothing about...

#16
Mariah said:
May I draw your attention to the rule listed in the publish notes:

Players may not damage barrels unless they can hold 50 items and 100 stones in their backpack.
6 barrels = possibly 600 items. My best guess as to what happened was you got contents from the first two to break, after that you were unable to receive more because you did not meet that criteria.
Having said that, such behavior is harassement, and no amount of testing reveals this kind of problem. Players don't misbehave at testing events.

nah u can look in your journal and see how many  items u were awarded, when there are a bunch of people like there were u do good to get 6-8 items per barrel. 
#17
And the barrels were probably concentrated in that area where the ppl still are.
#18
Well in her defense, she was too busy to notice that someone was invising her...wtf ???...so I doubt she noticed she was also overweight ? Ahh idocs bring out the best in everyone don't they ?
now tell me if im invised.....     this is after people had spread out a little , and i had dropped the 10 lifebars i had on my screen... or u know just make another snippy comment about something u know nothing about...

So I guess you do not know about that little tool that tells you  what spells you are under.
#19
She did not notice she was invised and went out of war mode. There is no need to harass her about it.

Her post is a warning about what others can do to disrupt you at an IDOC.  Head the warning and move along.
#20
at this particular idoc there was a total of 11 barrels 3 in the SE corner 2 where the guy in red is on the right middle 4 where the blue guy is on the west side and the other 2 were at the bottom where the person in green is. I STRONGLY advize startint to take pictures of the barrels while the perimeter is still grey so ppl can see how many barrels are actually there and then a picture afterwards also report how many barrels you hit and how many times and how many items you got,unfortunately i HAVE tested this and the system is DEFINETLY not balanced and heavily weighed towards certain points which I am not going to bring up publicly, the system needs to quite honestly be put on hold for a while and retested on test center and THIS TIME i suggest all of you actually go to test center and help actually test the system before it is locked in stone which im pretty sure it already is, OH and fel idocs? guess what grats to hewhowillnotbenamed that is getting EVERY BARREL at EVERY FEL IDOC, I spoke up that this sytem would not be fair in anyway for fel but unfortunately ppl were to busy calling me a scripter and blah blah instead of paying attention and actually listening.
unfortunately now certain people are definetly laughing their faces off, and no im not at liberty to say just what is going on because I dont really know exactly what is going on, i just know it is.

and BTW the backpack in the picture was loaded compared to what most people are actually getting
#21
This IDOC system could get an update. Like all systems are tested then retested and tweaked and tested again, published, then tested and republished etc.  So I would not get surprised if IDOC publish part II comes along in the near future.

What Im wondering is that after checking all shards (like 20 shards) for IDOCs, the NPC has no IDOCs. So are you telling me there is nothing falling on any shard for the next 15 hours??  I dont think so, something wrong here.  Prior to this system ATL alone could have 5-10 falling houses in just one day.  Are there falling houses that failed to be announced by the NPC? if so its a huge scandal.  The alternative, IDOCs been tightened and less falls now than previously.


As a sidenote I dont see the guys that used to be at every single IDOC on every shard in the past decade, they just dont show up to IDOCs anymore lol

The system is not perfect, but its alot better than it used to, great loot comes to great hunters in a fair manner, and no more 5 packhorses.
#22
Bilbo said:
Well in her defense, she was too busy to notice that someone was invising her...wtf ???...so I doubt she noticed she was also overweight ? Ahh idocs bring out the best in everyone don't they ?
now tell me if im invised.....     this is after people had spread out a little , and i had dropped the 10 lifebars i had on my screen... or u know just make another snippy comment about something u know nothing about...

So I guess you do not know about that little tool that tells you  what spells you are under.
Don't be snippy, you might get Pawained.
#23

Don't be snippy, you might get Pawained.
Thank you.  He was part of the Pawaining!  He should know now. 🙂
#24
lol!
#25
Except great loot isn't coming to great hunters it's coming to the few that figured out the new distribution of loot system and those few lucky enough to stumble on it, it is by no means fair it's actually worse than before in some ways. Before there was three types of players
A)those that use scripts
B)those that figured out what stuff they wanted to go for ahead of time
C)those that couldnt figure out what to grab for whatever reason.

With the old system a few were in the first category some were in the second category and most were in the third category.

Now its:
A)those who script
B)the very few that figured out the new distribution system
C)those that get nothing but trash or nothing at all

Under the old system b and c had a chance of getting something while yes scripters got a lot of it but group b got a lot as well
Now only those that get lucky or those in group b which is actually a smaller number than the scripters were are the only ones getting most of it
The great majority are now in group 3

And in fel no one can stay alive long enough to break a barrel and get anything of value other than one group who were actually the main scripter group as well you basically handed them all fel idocs.
#26
Btw I actually like
A)no packies in the idoc locale
B)the perimeter system around the idoc

I despise the removal of the main point of the idoc gameplay since day 1 which was maybe get something u normally wouldnt be able to afford/get. Vet rewards for example
And the current loot distribution system it is not rng in any way and very one sided. there are a few ppl bragging that they figured out the new distribution system and that are actually getting most of the decent stuff
#27
What makes you think others know what is in what barrel?  


#28
Because certain individuals who knew how to test on test center bragged that they figured out how exactly to get the stuff that is of any value and because the vast majority of ppl who enjoyed idoccing before for fun not for cash gains are now scratching their heads going wtf. AND me and my wife have done the majority of every idoc on every server since the system was put in and we are using multiple PAID accounts like always and are literally coming away empty handed idoc after idoc. That tells me the system is definetly not working properly.

If we were getting less stuff I would say ok but nothing but trash?sorry there isn't a chance in hell the system is working properly
#29
Something is definitely unbalanced
#30
And you trust these random ppl on TC?  They probably said that to get under your skin. They know their lies will bother you and they did.   There could be thousands of items in an IDOC.  Of course you will get a lot of junk.  Look at the crap ppl keep. I have over 1000 armor pieces in one house.  then I have 3 EM drops.  Most ppl would get the other things besides the 3 EM items.

If you think they know which barrels to hit, go hit those and see how your luck improves.
#31
Idocs have been killed for me, truth be known I have not liked them since I came back 2 years ago, wont discuss the reasons as we all know him.  Dasilva, you speak of the distribution system? So the loading of barrels is not random? how on earth can players know where the good stuff is?
#32
Again I dont know what exactly is going on but I do know the system is definetly unbalanced and the discord and test center where this was being discussed and where links to what they are getting is posted definetly isn't with the intentions of getting under my skin all I'm saying is right now the system definitely needs to be put on hold and further testing done
I doubt it will happen but it is needed.
The ppl stating that they have verified that the distribution system is unbalanced are VERY reputable and long standing members of the community I tend to believe/agree with them as my findings are the same
#33
I think maybe Dasilva and JackflashUK are not great hunters?

If you have any suggestions to improve the system its welcome.
I Can add that the majority of IDOCs falling are either empty or has low amount of items, thus a pack of 20 maybe 30people split 3 chests that are half full, wont impress anyone. Many times hitting a barrel like 15-16 items drop in backpack, where most are "not attractive" items. but you cant expect EM rares, high end equipment, rares and expensive drops at every idoc.

The system is fair as you know where the house is and at what time it drops. The system is fair as  you decide yourselves which barrel to hit, and where you want to stand breaking the outer wall. I dont belive that "someone know what barrel to hit to get good stuff", well if they do you just hit same as them and you are great hunter too.

#34
Some personal attacks have been removed.

To the best of my knowledge the distribution of items in the barrels IS random. @Dasilva if you have real evidence to the contrary please send it in an email to uo@broadsword.com so that the devs can investigate.
#35
Well in her defense, she was too busy to notice that someone was invising her...wtf ???...so I doubt she noticed she was also overweight ? Ahh idocs bring out the best in everyone don't they ?
now tell me if im invised.....     this is after people had spread out a little , and i had dropped the 10 lifebars i had on my screen... or u know just make another snippy comment about something u know nothing about...

Dixie, my wife is there in the photo, and I am the red guy in the bottom running somewhere. I got exactly what you got basically, less even. I got 15 items including 1 fabled fishing net. My wife got 10 items that were total junk. There was only about 10-14 barrels at this IDOC. There wasn't any great items on the ground even after it fell, I did not think there was anything of value when I first saw it fall. I yelled at my wife "See? Empty!"

Dasilva, you are not getting anything because there are at least 97 people there in the picture that I just counted. There are more off screen already, as it is already empty in the picture. There were maybe 120-130 accounts at this IDOC. Likely someone has multiple accounts there..... but not us. Every IDOC on Atlantic has this many people lately. So nobody is getting nothing much unless they have 40 accounts, if they could find a way to stop people from logging in multiple clients, then we would now be somewhere even among all players.

I would be very disheartened if anyone got anything more than junk from most of these. There were about 14 barrels and 120 players. Hence, most of us got 1 fabled fishing net if we were lucky. Wife got basically nothing. Her items were in total worth 0k. We made 1m at this IDOC, if that is indeed what a fabled fishing net is worth, and I was very surprised and happy about that considering there was nothing of value on the ground. There was a king's collection box that I saw on the left side, that was it.

The fact that there are 120 accounts there is amazing, even if it is only 40 real players, and most of the "IDOCers" are bringing 10-20 accounts each. It's hard for scripters to get items, when they cannot target a list of what they want any more. For that I am supremely thankful. Thank you devs for this change, once more. I have not gotten anything lately either, but I know there are a few people out there getting a lot of items, for which I am glad. I have saw so many complete strangers selling stuff lately, or asking what is was worth, that it's amazing. As to what the secrets to looting are, please do let us know, I am definitely in group C. But I have been focused on the Tokuno thing the past 3 weeks or so anyway. Peace guys.

If you want to tweak this any further for balance... the only option would be limiting login to 1 client at a time. Then IDOCs would finally be 100% balanced. As it is, this is the best option on the table that there could have been. And it's fun with 0 time wasted! I wish only that none of them could bring 10 accounts, because I sure do not know how they are playing 10 accounts at once anyway. That needs to be investigated. Thanks again for everything Devs. This change meant a lot to us.
#36
but but.. they know which barrels have the good stuff...   😂 So they get the good stuff...  I saw it on Youtube so it must be true!
#37
Hahah at @Polaris. Hahaha so now you want people to play 1 account only, because you only have 1 and you not getting anything??? Gime a break,  if people are bringing 5 or 10 accs good for them and food for UO, bc all those are paid accs, and b4 you even start with the BS of multiboxing and shit, this new system allow players to just 2x click and attack 1 barrel automatic, so you can bring as many accs as u can and 2x click 1 barrel and bring next acc and next barrel and so on and you will get "free stuff" on all of them  🙂
You want a better chance yourself?? Just like lotto tickets BUY MORE or in this case, pay for more accs, you will b happy and UO as well.   Hahaha
#38
Nice to see so many players having a good time in game at a community activity :-) Imagine the hunt that could take place next! 

#39
Mordred said:
Hahah at @ Polaris. Hahaha so now you want people to play 1 account only, because you only have 1 and you not getting anything??? Gime a break,  if people are bringing 5 or 10 accs good for them and food for UO, bc all those are paid accs, and b4 you even start with the BS of multiboxing and shit, this new system allow players to just 2x click and attack 1 barrel automatic, so you can bring as many accs as u can and 2x click 1 barrel and bring next acc and next barrel and so on and you will get "free stuff" on all of them  🙂
You want a better chance yourself?? Just like lotto tickets BUY MORE or in this case, pay for more accs, you will b happy and UO as well.   Hahaha
I am extremely satisfied and glad with the IDOC changes. Greatest 2 months of Ultima Online's history ever...... Personally, I just like to stick it to the six players that cannot be named, or have 50 different names, but everyone knows their mains. I wish they would have banned them, that was my ultimate goal in Ultima, it still is. Those guys chased tens of thousands of people away from this game..... but go ahead, keep cheering for "them."

I don't know who you are laughing at anyway, I have been to maybe 2 IDOCs since the change. I don't care about IDOCs...... I just know what is good for Ultima, and whatever that is, it is not good for pocket books. We actually play the game.... not live for IDOCs. Enjoy the changes!  🙂 🙂
#40
for the record since i see it keep popping up EJ accounts cannot loot items at an idoc and have not been able to since before I came back to game at least not right away so if someone is multiclienting (NOT illegal) they are PAID accounts
#41
I was a returning player 4 years ago and found every thing that I needed way way out of my price range. I was sitting on a few k and everything was millions and millions. The ONLY way I could get anything starting from this position was putting in hard work at IDOCs and it was hard work and it did take some skill to sort out what was good and valuable and what was not. I did most of them on Europa spending many nights sleepless to the detriment of my mental health but I did reap the rewards. Now the system is such that there is no skill in doing them and all the effort of finding out fall times is gone. They honestly couldn't find a way to just ban people who are cheating or find a way to detect cheating ? The life and soul of the IDOC is gone now with no reliable way to get good items by using SKILL. They might as well just get rid of them altogether as they are practically pointless now, deleting all the good stuff before they even get put into the barrels. The devs just don't seem to care about the economy whatsoever and are just happy to take stuff out of the game rather than reward hard work, effort and skill. If they want to fix the economy they should hire an economist to help stimulate the game, not just use gold sinks and deleting items. Anyway that's another point but you see what I'm getting at, the game is dying a slow death at this rate.
#42
I don't know if this is true, but... What system is it that when it packs up your belongings it puts them in containers in accordance to their location in your home? It seems to be that system and then the barrels are placed in those same locations with the items in them from those locations.
#43
Anyone is free to attack the barrel they choose themselves, but not every house has epix items. My biggest fear is the loss of items in game such as serverbirths, unique items due to the fact that people dont recognize them. Theres a lot more people doing IDOCs now (which is good) its understandable since its the "newest" content to the game, but also more people to split the rewards on. thus most people end up with few or no valuable items.  But dont blame the system, its working alright.
For us Europeans we encounter an issue, 90percent of the houses fall at night, even on the local shard Europa it falls at night why?
A few suggestions to improve the system:
  • Split the IDOC falltime over more hours, fair to all timezones not only U.S.
  • Allow only characters with atleast 80 skill points in magery/tactics or 400total skill points to enter the IDOC Barrel area (thus fixing the problem people have multiple new chars to loot) Not fair to new players you say? Look IDOCs have never been a "new player content", espesially not in felucca. New players should be out hunting, training skills, exploring. Then when grow strong enough the IDOC hunting is high level content of the game.
  • Review the deletion list, there are already few items in most IDOCs, deleting everything doesnt make it any better, vet rewards are the easiest, highest impact to remove off the list.
  • Update the NPC cryer to 24/7 tell about fallin houses. As it is now if you run upto the NPC he will at some points during the day have 0 houses falling, then 8 hours later he suddenly have 30houses falling.
also remeber, Many of the ones complaining about the new system are the ones with 5 packhorses and "ridicously fast" at grabbing stuff in the previous system. Of course they go from getting 90% of the items down to splitting among all participants makes them complain.


#44
"ate the NPC cryer to 24/7 tell about fallin houses. As it is now if you run upto the NPC he will at some points during the day have 0 houses falling, then 8 hours later he suddenly have 30houses falling."

And according to some peeps, he also has a habit of giving out coords that don't have a house anywhere near them falling.

#45
I think it would be interesting to be able to "bribe" the NPC crier and get a rune to the location. I would imagine that could be a pretty good gold sink. 
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