How to make money now

i am unsure how to make the millions i need to buy power scrolls and gear.

Its a pretty daunting task, considering some cost like 50 mil.

I really can't stand this system, where only certain people get to continue to advance their characters, its one of the changes that made me leave Uo in the first place. Actually, I am very suprised that Broadsword  hasn't changed a lot of the dumb ideas that were implemented before that clearly destroyed the game.

But, whatever, I am here now and will play the how the system is, so please offer some ideas.

I hit up rotting corpses and devourer of souls but I wasn't really making a lot of gold that way.

Play on Siege Perilous... where the economy has not been massively inflated. The best 120s only sell for 5-10mill.

What shard do you play? Many people will help with scrolls, you just have to ask around! As for gold, do you do the EM events? Lots of folks pay silly amounts for the drops. Good luck and welcome back!

Play on Test Center and you can have everything.  Since thats what you think UO is about.

Hi there, thanks for the answers.

Siege Perilous, uh..no, I hate the upkeep there and 5 to 10 mil is still hard to come by I do not even know how to make that much. I have 650k now to my name which was all I made before doign swoop for a few months when I played last. poor swoop is nerfed now so not sure what to do.

jelinidas
I play on Legends. I just started playing again after a lot of years, so I never did an EM, it looks liek i missed legends last one jan 25th, but i will certainly do the next! looks fun too!

Pawain said:

Play on Test Center and you can have everything.  Since thats what you think UO is about.

Uh, UO is abotu whatever one wants it to be about. I didn't know wanting the skills and gear to play end game content was bad? 

At any rate, i won't argue about this, I argued plenty about UO back in the day and its not worth fighting over. i just want to have fun and do the things I was never able to do before.

monkgamer said:

Pawain said:

Play on Test Center and you can have everything.  Since thats what you think UO is about.

Uh, UO is abotu whatever one wants it to be about. I didn't know wanting the skills and gear to play end game content was bad? 

At any rate, i won't argue about this, I argued plenty about UO back in the day and its not worth fighting over. i just want to have fun and do the things I was never able to do before.

We take Players that are fresh returners to Peerless hunts and everything we do. 

Help kill 1 Corgul or Scalis with a group and wait till the corpse goes public and you are guaranteed a Mage suit with all 70s rsist,100 LRC, 40LMC, and 20+ mana regen.  Some pieces may be Antique or Cursed.  Kill 2 more with a group and you can replace those.
I would say he roof also but you have to loot fast.

You can do more things with a mage tamer than you could with any toon when we wore minor arti Crap.

More Play less whine.

That sounds fun. I am on Legends, not sure if there are any groups like yours.

Also I do not think I am whining, I merely just asking how i can make a lot of gold lol

The question is the problem.  You sound greedy.

If you asked how you can have a lot of fun, you get better answers.

A 100 skill Mage Tamer will do fine with a basic disposable 100 skill pet.  You can start a fresh toon on any shard and increase the mage skills first.  Look at the Shard Forums Weekly Events are posted there.

LS does Community Events 3 nights a week. We do yell out in chat events nightly that go along with the current game events.  Right now we are doing Shrine Battles.  We run 3 battles at one shrine to get Tabards for any skill player who wants one.

There are enough who have Shard Shields to move your items around as needed.

Start to trade, VS/gen chat is you're friend, and you don't need any power scrolls or pets to do it.

I won't be baited, sorry. making gold is part of the game.

Can anyone let me know which areas are best to make the millions of gold need to earn myself what I need for my characters?


Thank you

Gold is for buying Deco. The things you need for characters are found by playing or crafting.

Bye Bye  

jadav said:

Start to trade, VS/gen chat is you're friend, and you don't need any power scrolls or pets to do it.

Hi Jadav,

What do you mean by trade?

Pawain said:

Gold is for buying Deco. The things you need for characters are found by playing or crafting.

Bye Bye  

Well, maybe I want deco and a castle? I have no issues with you or your opinions I'm just not sure what to say to someone like you lol

In the long run, yea getting those drops by playing is cool, and I do see your point in that regard. I just see the cost of many things very high and that means odds to get them are very high and I been down that road before farming for items and NEVER getting the drop.

I'd like to do a mixture of both, get some drops, buy other things like power scrolls cause I hate champ spawns, I never get anything I need.

monkgamer said:

jadav said:

Start to trade, VS/gen chat is you're friend, and you don't need any power scrolls or pets to do it.

Hi Jadav,

What do you mean by trade?

I agree with Pawain, except need gold for powerscrolls and stat scrolls if you don't want to partake in pvp. You may not get 120 scrolls for a while, but you can save up pretty quickly to get 110's and
be just fine for most content.

Castle? Not one in my cards likely ever and am okay with that. But if that is your goal, just remember it won't happen overnite!

Most importantly, have fun with a character you enjoy playing. The gold will come and it won't feel like a grind if you are enjoying what you are doing to slowly, but surely, get better and better gear.

Also stay on top of what is currently happening in the game where people are grouping up so you can do higher end content.

Pawain said:

The question is the problem.  You sound greedy.

Pawain, there's no need to insult a person just returning to the game after 12 years. Asking how to make gold now is a legitimate question. As is now, with 650k Gold, he basically has just enough to cover insurance.

Pawain, end it. You are being a ass. You must have history with this guy. I thought you tried to help new folks. Lets encourage, not troll, for post counts.

So telling the guy to find a group and go loot equipment is being mean.  Soon the group can do some Tram spawns or turtle spawns. They will let him take the gold.  Looting the things I mentioned will cost 0 Gold. And he will relearn how to fight and stay alive until he has confidence to go out on his own.

Not sorry for providing a way to enjoy the game and Gold will come naturally.

Paint me Mean and Insulting. 

Thank  you fall for the continued suggestions. I am not trying to sound like I want it all right now, with no work and that I want millions just to have it as some type of score. 

I want to experience the many things I never did because i skipped it, or wasn't around for it, or simply did not have the character to do so. When I looked into tamers and sampires, the cost of powerscrolls etc blew my mind, and the cost of sampire suits etc. 

I know I can get them myself and that is what Pawain is saying, group up and those things will come...of course, he wasn't to clear about that nor communicated it very tactically lol

I do want a nice chunk of change as well to cover insurance, and everyday costs and to get a house because i know the bank is not enough storage, and to do this it still takes millions...so I was curious how I could grind out gold to do that and get powerscrolls.

I will definately take the advice here, group hunt, do EM events, etc, as these are solid recommendations to get to the millions I need in the bank. I will also start with cheaper powerscrolls like 110 115.

I had thought that the enemies were beafed up and I need 120 skill in taming and sampire etc to compete, which is why I panicked when I saw the prices lol

For a pet:
You do not need high scrolls to start.  Others will give you 105s or 110s after you play a while and show you interested in returning.  Tame a Cu and that will work fine for you with or without scrolls.

You need to find a group to play with if that interests you.  Your time of day matters and your shard matters.  Take your time and find a shard to settle on.

Then you can play and have fun while building your skills and techniques so you can get those 120s for your toon.  Then Gold will follow.

Thanks for the clarification Pawain, that makes a lot of sense. 

Pawain said:

So telling the guy to find a group and go loot equipment is being mean.  Soon the group can do some Tram spawns or turtle spawns. They will let him take the gold.  Looting the things I mentioned will cost 0 Gold. And he will relearn how to fight and stay alive until he has confidence to go out on his own.

Not on LS did 3 Dreads now we at Mel:
This was Community Hunt. 


Next ill try to get another Tabard.  Im deleting toons and making new ones to get more.

None of this will get you gold.  Just fun.

I'll probably use a character i have with low skills on atlantic to make my tamer, but not quite sure yet. it seems grouping will be important to be able to experience a lot of the stuff. Legends, I am not so sure has guilds that do this, at least not the time i play

Grouping up with @PlayerSkillFTW on Atlantic will get your playing skills back. Then you may find a shard you like once you know what players are doing now.

I just transfered a Toon there to make room for another Tabard.  I wish I knew earlier, I coulda brought a suit for you.

@Kyronix , @Bleak , @Mesanna , have you read this OP ?

This is a MAJOR issue for new or returning players.....

Being able to cover the gap with existing players and being able to afford the ridicolous prices of many items....

Are you aware that Enchantress Cameos sell close if not over 200 Millions UO gold ?

Or that 120 Tactics, Anatomy, Resisting Spells, Magery and others as well cost 20, 30, 40 and even 50 Millions UO gold ?

Of course that, while a very limited number of new or returning players might endure and find a way to get them or the gold to buy them, MOST new or returning players get burnt out by the amount of grinding that they have to go through in order to be able to develop their Template and give it a competitive suit....

Not to mention, the gold it can cost to scroll up pets for Tamers.....

The issue is not just to attract a new or returning player to get interest in Ultima Online, but ALSO, and most importantly, I would imagine, to have this interest for Ultima Online be a lasting one, and not end up shortly after they download the Client because they feel overwhelmed by the difficulties in "catching up" with existing players....

Perhaps, just perhaps, giving to Crafting a sound and REAL revamp whereas Crafting items CAN be made as strong and as powerfull as Legendaries and Artifact drops, could give to these new and returning players a better alternative to actually want to stay and keep playing Ultima Online because, at least, through Crafting they CAN catch up with existing players and make themselves what they want /need rather then have to pay exorbitant prices to get them which means countless hours of mindless grinds to get that gold.....

While some might endure through countless hours, days, weeks of mindless grinds, many do not stand it and just quit.

So, is my humble opinion, if we want players to actually stay with Ultima Online, we should think about offering them a gameplay that CUTS on grinding gameplay, not promotes it....

That is at least my opinion of it.

@popps.  I have played this game without a break since October 2000. My characters own precisely ZERO cameos.  I don't need them. New players don't need them. Going on about how much you think new players need to 'compete' will only put them off.

UO is NOT a competition. You don't need to compete, you only need to be able to enjoy your playing experience. 

I would like to suggest that @monkgamer also train up a treasure hunter. Gold is quite plentiful, even in low level chests, maps are easily obtainable through the hag's quest and eventually the player will be able to get his own 110 power scrolls from Felucca cache chests if he does the quest from the hag in Fel. Also most of my characters' suits are a mixture of crafted, imbued items and pieces looted from treasure chests.  UO doesn't NEED to cost uber prices. I have never had more than 200 million over my entire group of characters and I never expect to reach the dizzy heights of having a 'platinum'. 

I don't 'grind' anything in UO.  UO is not a RACE either. I do no activity for more than an hour, then I break off and do something different. If that means it takes me longer to reach my goal, what does it matter? It's my leisure time, I have no need to hurry. 

Relax. Chill. Enjoy the game for what it is. Which is neither a race nor a competition.

Every single one of us started with an agenda and 1k gold. When powerscrolls were first introduced people had to earn them with unscrolled characters. It can and has been done. 

The game isn't designed for new and returning players to jump straight to end game content. It takes time. 

Petra_Fyde said:

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UO is NOT a competition. You don't need to compete, you only need to be able to enjoy your playing experience. 

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I have no problem with this so called gap in PvM.  @popps how many times do I tell you the same thing.  There are very few looted weapons that are better than a crafted weapon that fits the players template.  I would like a bump in crafting armor but that is just the greediness in me.  All my dexxers use crafted pieces with looted pieces.
@popps you just do not know how to craft and build a suit. Please stop acting like you do.

I also have 0 Cameos, I have the other type slayer talisman but I don't use it because I craft slayer weapons and use EoO so I already do max damage for the weapon.

The only armor I buy is arties like, Cuffs, Britches, Gauntlets..  You do not need those immediately, you can understand the mechanics of the game and then add stuff like that.  Other than those, the most I have paid for a piece of armor is 10M.

I'd bet @PlayerSkillFTW ; could take the most basic suit and because of his skill, he could do everything he does now.  Returners need to learn the techniques of playing UO more than they need a bought suit.  When damaged you can always walk away or invis until you are ready to try again.

i know you dont need any of these things..i can stick to my provo mage and have lots of fun.

but its unfair of you to say i dont need these thibgs so e erything is fine..no..this is a game. everyone should have a reasonable chance to experience the game and its hifh end content as well as have access to the things to finish maxing out a character like power scrolls.

i really dont even want this arguement because no obe has a right to tell others how to play pr what they should get from it.

its not greedy to want things ib the game. even if i asked what to fsrm to afford a castle..theres zero reason to judge someone for wanting something in the game and should be ashamed of yourselves if you truly feel its wrong.

i didnt even ask for free stuff..i CLEARLY asked how people make mobey these days. i dont see why thats a hard question to a swer. 

Seriously @monkgamer do not join our guild uwf on atlantic...youre attitude is really bad...you want all stuff in the first week you come back really? Power scroll are damn easy to collect you can do champion spawn with 100 skills cap yeah and crafted stuff...the roof for cameo there is always people wants to group to do the roof...almost afk if want damn easy to do when you will wait couples days to read or to learn mechanics...ok i stop there...the only stuff crazy to get are pvp stuff 9-14 mods that doesn t drop anymore and only usefull for pvp perfectionnist...you can still kill 3\4 of them if you are good at playing

how is my attitude bad? i asked how people make money now and i get attacked and advised i dont need money to have fun..like i dont know that.

YOUR attitude is bad. actually norhing has changed uo is full of..i dont know and dont care.

jeeze people i took all of your suggestions. but wgen people started saying its somehow BAD to want things..i lost it.

i dont even know what tp say. you all acting like i asked for immediate satisfaction all i asked is how to make money.

im going back to see how i can solo end game stuff. 

or better yet ill just play my provo mage til my month is up and leave again.

monkgamer said

I really can't stand this system, where only certain people get to continue to advance their characters, its one of the changes that made me leave Uo in the first place. Actually, I am very suprised that Broadsword  hasn't changed a lot of the dumb ideas that were implemented before that clearly destroyed the game.

yes i was honest..i cant stand a system where only certain people get to experience the game. i shpuldnt have to move servers just to do champ spawns to farm what i need so i askwe how to buy it.

i never said change it. i CLEARLY said in willing to work within that system. 

when a powrrscroll os 50 mil and you babies attack me cause i asked how to make the gold to pay for that..then its clear the hostility that abounds here.

i left cause uo was nerfing the solo players too much.

classic uo players attacking e eryone and lieing saying i want all that stuff in a week LOL you LIAR i NEVER SAID THAT

Do shrine battles event presently you can get one tabar per toon...really easy to get people always said in general active shrines they sell for 40-50 mil per so 5 toon you will have 200-240 mil in a week ....have done it with my smith so if there is a group there really easy just hit the captains with few hits

Urge said:

Every single one of us started with an agenda and 1k gold.

I started with 100 Gold. Lol. They later bumped it up to 1k Gold.

@monkgamer ; Unless you came back with items that are worth a lot of gold, you are starting at nothing.  T Chests have a lot of gold. Kill the same mobs over and over makes you gold.  
You will not be getting tens of millions in a week. 

You need some Gold to have fun and Play UO.  You need a lot of Gold to have stuff.
Others are going to give you needed items. Some of us sell things, some of us Collect things.
Those who Collect will provide.  Meet others and play.

Reselling items the best way to make a lot of Gold.  But, you have to have something to start with.
It is also a lot of work.

A Bard/Mage works with group. Have Fun.
 

i really truly mean no harm i probably should  have explained my paragraph better.  i was a tad frustrated cause i knew i needed to create a solo char to experience ebd game cause noone is on legends. so i looked at sampure or tamer. both of which put the builds with 120 skills.

so i see the prices. 


so then i knew i had to farm gold amd a lot of it to fet powerscrolls to build one of those solo chars because i cant solo champ spawns as a provoker mage.

so i came here..asked how tp make money and wrote probably worse than i wanted that i feel the game should have scrapped the grouping idea since theres jo groups to do these end game ecents and that now..to get powerscrolls i need..i need to farm 100s of millions.


i apogize if i came off wro g in anyway. i just want to start on the right track and work towards getting what i need

I have more fun playing with a group than I do soloing the same stuff over and over.

I think the majority says, find a place where you fit. Have fun. Then worry about getting more.
UO is a big place.

Legends has a sort of hidden community. They're good people once they warm up to you and come out of hiding. 

Like I said your best bet is Atl to get built then xfer off if you wish. 

There are numerous people that help new/returns. 

Fortis said:

Seriously @ monkgamer do not join our guild uwf on atlantic...youre attitude is really bad...you want all stuff in the first week you come back really? Power scroll are damn easy to collect you can do champion spawn with 100 skills cap yeah and crafted stuff...the roof for cameo there is always people wants to group to do the roof...almost afk if want damn easy to do when you will wait couples days to read or to learn mechanics...ok i stop there...the only stuff crazy to get are pvp stuff 9-14 mods that doesn t drop anymore and only usefull for pvp perfectionnist...you can still kill 3\4 of them if you are good at playing

.....the roof for cameo there is always people wants to group to do the roof...

Please, correct me if I am wrong....

My understanding is, that loot drops go to the highest damager.

In such a case, "who" can we expect to do the most damage and, thus, get the drop, the experienced players with an expensive, top notch Suit or the new/returning player with a "patched up", cheap suit ?

popps said:

Fortis said:

Seriously @ monkgamer do not join our guild uwf on atlantic...youre attitude is really bad...you want all stuff in the first week you come back really? Power scroll are damn easy to collect you can do champion spawn with 100 skills cap yeah and crafted stuff...the roof for cameo there is always people wants to group to do the roof...almost afk if want damn easy to do when you will wait couples days to read or to learn mechanics...ok i stop there...the only stuff crazy to get are pvp stuff 9-14 mods that doesn t drop anymore and only usefull for pvp perfectionnist...you can still kill 3\4 of them if you are good at playing

.....the roof for cameo there is always people wants to group to do the roof...

Please, correct me if I am wrong....

My understanding is, that loot drops go to the highest damager.

In such a case, "who" can we expect to do the most damage and, thus, get the drop, the experienced players with an expensive, top notch Suit or the new/returning player with a "patched up", cheap suit ?

You are wrong. Anyone can get a drop in roof as long as you can open the corpse - you have a chance. I got a cameo once just by healing pets.

For what it’s worth, here is my two cents:

UO has a lot of content to fit many, many play styles.  While everyone my be able to find a niche doing things they enjoy, not all play styles are equal in terms of how profitable they are in the UO economy.  The simple truth is that a provocation mage build just isn’t going to be a very profitable template, particularly if much of your game time is spent in solo play.

I think your instinct that you need to retool some characters is spot on.  The piece I think you’ve miscalculated is the more urgent need for these high end items to do it.  That is a misconception if you ask me.

My advice, build yourself a gm skill sampire.  It costs very little to train, but does take some time.

100 Swords
100 Tactics
76 Anatomy
100 Resist
100 Bushido
60 Parry
99 Necro
85 Chiv

Once your template is built, cobble together a dexxer suit focusing on LMC, DCI, HCI, physical resist, fire resist and stamina increase.  Antique pieces are just fine, and should be very inexpensive to come by.  Then get yourself a soul seeker.  Again, it’s pretty common and should be cheap.  All in, I’m guessing you can gear for 300k or less.

Next... go do a rat spawn in despise.  If you’re worried about pvpers pick a very off peak time till you get quicker with it.  Your weapon and antique gear will take a beating, that’s ok for now.  Expect it to take maybe 45-60 minutes as you get the hang of clustering mobs for whirlwind and learn your limits on casters.  But know that the template above is more than capable of soloing a rat spawn, so if you’re struggling it is your learning curve.

A single rat spawn will drop about 250k gold (which should recoup your initial suit investment) and give you 6 power scrolls.  Low scrolls (110-115) that are useful for a sampire I would eat (swords, tactics, bushido, resist, anatomy).  120 scrolls you can choose to use immediately or sell to pad your bank balance.  Eventually, as you raise skills, you will want a soul stone to swap between 120 anatomy OR 120 resist on your template.

Do around 4 rat spawns a week and you’ll make 1 million gold, 24 power scrolls, and a good dozen or so mastery scrolls per week.

When you’re not doing spawns I would be retooling your mage to be some sort of tamer variant.  My initial thought since you already have music would be a disco tamer mage with an AI/Chiv Cu.

Merus said:

For what it’s worth, here is my two cents:

UO has a lot of content to fit many, many play styles.  While everyone my be able to find a niche doing things they enjoy, not all play styles are equal in terms of how profitable they are in the UO economy.  The simple truth is that a provocation mage build just isn’t going to be a very profitable template, particularly if much of your game time is spent in solo play.

I think your instinct that you need to retool some characters is spot on.  The piece I think you’ve miscalculated is the more urgent need for these high end items to do it.  That is a misconception if you ask me.

My advice, build yourself a gm skill sampire.  It costs very little to train, but does take some time.

100 Swords
100 Tactics
76 Anatomy
100 Resist
100 Bushido
60 Parry
99 Necro
85 Chiv

Once your template is built, cobble together a dexxer suit focusing on LMC, DCI, HCI, physical resist, fire resist and stamina increase.  Antique pieces are just fine, and should be very inexpensive to come by.  Then get yourself a soul seeker.  Again, it’s pretty common and should be cheap.  All in, I’m guessing you can gear for 300k or less.

Next... go do a rat spawn in despise.  If you’re worried about pvpers pick a very off peak time till you get quicker with it.  Your weapon and antique gear will take a beating, that’s ok for now.  Expect it to take maybe 45-60 minutes as you get the hang of clustering mobs for whirlwind and learn your limits on casters.  But know that the template above is more than capable of soloing a rat spawn, so if you’re struggling it is your learning curve.

A single rat spawn will drop about 250k gold (which should recoup your initial suit investment) and give you 6 power scrolls.  Low scrolls (110-115) that are useful for a sampire I would eat (swords, tactics, bushido, resist, anatomy).  120 scrolls you can choose to use immediately or sell to pad your bank balance.  Eventually, as you raise skills, you will want a soul stone to swap between 120 anatomy OR 120 resist on your template.

Do around 4 rat spawns a week and you’ll make 1 million gold, 24 power scrolls, and a good dozen or so mastery scrolls per week.

When you’re not doing spawns I would be retooling your mage to be some sort of tamer variant.  My initial thought since you already have music would be a disco tamer mage with an AI/Chiv Cu.

@Merus

Low scrolls (110-115) that are useful for a sampire I would eat (swords, tactics, bushido, resist, anatomy). 

I apologize for the hijack but I have a question about that suggestion which you gave.

You mention Anatomy as of utility to a Sampire.

Pretty much most of the players I asked to, have told me over and over that Anatomy is a waste of points on a Sampire because Damage Increase and other modifiers can very well make it up for the lack of Anatomy points.

That is, at least this is what I understood so far, it is better for a Sampire to use those skill points in some other skills and compensate the lack for Anatomy with modifiers on the suit.

Therefore, when I read your suggestion it confused me.

Could you please explain why a Sampire would get utility from investing skill points into Anatomy ? All the way to 120 Legendary Anatomy ?

Rather then sending you a private message about it. I thought to post here so that also others could get help and advice from these suggestions and discussions, especially new and returning players who often wonder what would be the best set up for a template as well as gear.

Thanks !

popps said:

Merus said:

For what it’s worth, here is my two cents:

UO has a lot of content to fit many, many play styles.  While everyone my be able to find a niche doing things they enjoy, not all play styles are equal in terms of how profitable they are in the UO economy.  The simple truth is that a provocation mage build just isn’t going to be a very profitable template, particularly if much of your game time is spent in solo play.

I think your instinct that you need to retool some characters is spot on.  The piece I think you’ve miscalculated is the more urgent need for these high end items to do it.  That is a misconception if you ask me.

My advice, build yourself a gm skill sampire.  It costs very little to train, but does take some time.

100 Swords
100 Tactics
76 Anatomy
100 Resist
100 Bushido
60 Parry
99 Necro
85 Chiv

Once your template is built, cobble together a dexxer suit focusing on LMC, DCI, HCI, physical resist, fire resist and stamina increase.  Antique pieces are just fine, and should be very inexpensive to come by.  Then get yourself a soul seeker.  Again, it’s pretty common and should be cheap.  All in, I’m guessing you can gear for 300k or less.

Next... go do a rat spawn in despise.  If you’re worried about pvpers pick a very off peak time till you get quicker with it.  Your weapon and antique gear will take a beating, that’s ok for now.  Expect it to take maybe 45-60 minutes as you get the hang of clustering mobs for whirlwind and learn your limits on casters.  But know that the template above is more than capable of soloing a rat spawn, so if you’re struggling it is your learning curve.

A single rat spawn will drop about 250k gold (which should recoup your initial suit investment) and give you 6 power scrolls.  Low scrolls (110-115) that are useful for a sampire I would eat (swords, tactics, bushido, resist, anatomy).  120 scrolls you can choose to use immediately or sell to pad your bank balance.  Eventually, as you raise skills, you will want a soul stone to swap between 120 anatomy OR 120 resist on your template.

Do around 4 rat spawns a week and you’ll make 1 million gold, 24 power scrolls, and a good dozen or so mastery scrolls per week.

When you’re not doing spawns I would be retooling your mage to be some sort of tamer variant.  My initial thought since you already have music would be a disco tamer mage with an AI/Chiv Cu.

@ Merus

Low scrolls (110-115) that are useful for a sampire I would eat (swords, tactics, bushido, resist, anatomy). 

I apologize for the hijack but I have a question about that suggestion which you gave.

You mention Anatomy as of utility to a Sampire.

Pretty much most of the players I asked to, have told me over and over that Anatomy is a waste of points on a Sampire because Damage Increase and other modifiers can very well make it up for the lack of Anatomy points.

That is, at least this is what I understood so far, it is better for a Sampire to use those skill points in some other skills and compensate the lack for Anatomy with modifiers on the suit.

Therefore, when I read your suggestion it confused me.

Could you please explain why a Sampire would get utility from investing skill points into Anatomy ? All the way to 120 Legendary Anatomy ?

Rather then sending you a private message about it. I thought to post here so that also others could get help and advice from these suggestions and discussions, especially new and returning players who often wonder what would be the best set up for a template as well as gear.

Thanks !

Take your sampire down to fight a harrower with 120 anatomy or without it and see which hits harder.  Then answer your own question.

Hey Merus,

Thank you very much, that was some great info! I already made a tamer on atlantic using a mythic token LOL but I am definately going to work a sampire as well and take your advice. Ill keep my provo mage on legends because I still do enjoy provoking things, its fun gameplay.

monkgamer said:

Hey Merus,

Thank you very much, that was some great info! I already made a tamer on atlantic using a mythic token LOL but I am definately going to work a sampire as well and take your advice. Ill keep my provo mage on legends because I still do enjoy provoking things, its fun gameplay.

I may have a spare pet on Atlantic.  What time Central, might you intend to play.

thanks pawain..i play a bit late around 10pm to 1am cst

Perfect.  Keep playing.  I will PM you here and see what you need in a few days.  You may get things from that guild and not need much.  I have a Cu and a Triton that you could take.  Need High Seas and GM Taming for the Triton.

If you intend to solo champs i wouldn't make the Sampire on Atlantic unless you intend join an established pvp guild.  Atlantic champs are watched 24/7 and it would be difficult for a solo player to get one done without conflict.  Definitely do this on a less populated shard if you plan to solo.

Welcome back to the game and good luck in your endeavors! 

For the fighter classes (paladin, warrior, etc.), running around solo and doing content is enough to make some decent gold - but not from the gold you loot... is from the resources you gather.

Get enough for a house, plant a vendor, and sell Imbuing resources you get from hunting. Get these resources from the Abyss or around Ter Mur - check your shard's going rates and drop your price by 5-10%. People will buy you out, but if you do it, you will easily make some serious gold and become a resource that others will count on. 

Also, those armor pieces most people leave behind? They are worth gold!!! I sell "decent" armor at 500gp each. I don't care if it is Legendary or just something "nice" - people want different things, and pricing them cheap means they will buy. If armor doesn't sell in a month, I either trash for clean up points, or unravel for resources, or smelt for base. It all has value in the end, and other players will buy if you price right and pay attention to the market on your shard.

This is exactly what I do. I'm a "pure paladin" who doesn't use masteries. I do runs through dungeons, collect resources, and put them on my vendors. I started doing the Abyss _a lot_ since last June, and I just set up a NewMag commodity vendor for petals and bulk resources.

Now, I spend a lot as I am a collector and run a museum so I tend to buy things from other shards, especially items that belong on Pac or Napa. But my average bank balance is 50mil, give or take 5mil. At peak I had 2plat right before the holidays - but buying up things from other shards kinda ate into that. You will start to enjoy the content, make gold for the scrolls and such you want, and slowly get into the so called "end game content" - which really doesn't exist. ANYoNE can run through the Abyss - might die a lot, but can still run through. 


Resources, especially if you have a lot of crafters on your shard, is how you start to really build your golden egg. Vendor Search is a boon for the solo player who can provide resources, and people need the resources to imbue those suits... they pay well.

Kirthag said:

Get enough for a house, plant a vendor, and sell Imbuing resources you get from hunting. Get these resources from the Abyss or around Ter Mur - check your shard's going rates and drop your price by 5-10%. People will buy you out, but if you do it, you will easily make some serious gold and become a resource that others will count on. 

Also, those armor pieces most people leave behind? They are worth gold!!! I sell "decent" armor at 500gp each. I don't care if it is Legendary or just something "nice" - people want different things, and pricing them cheap means they will buy. If armor doesn't sell in a month, I either trash for clean up points, or unravel for resources, or smelt for base. It all has value in the end, and other players will buy if you price right and pay attention to the market on your shard.

Resources, especially if you have a lot of crafters on your shard, is how you start to really build your golden egg. Vendor Search is a boon for the solo player who can provide resources, and people need the resources to imbue those suits... they pay well.

There are so many imbuing vendors though. 

That armor you sell for cheap is also worth a LOT of cleanup points and those dyes still sell for a good bit. The antique will unravel for relics, essence and residue for future personal use. 

If you're going to vendor, pick a specialty little to none else do or something so high in demand it won't matter. 

Trade routes using moongates give a ton of SOTS and are very easy. 

monkgamer said:

i am unsure how to make the millions i need to buy power scrolls and gear.

Urge said:

There are so many imbuing vendors though. 

That armor you sell for cheap is also worth a LOT of cleanup points and those dyes still sell for a good bit. The antique will unravel for relics, essence and residue for future personal use. 

Oh, I know there are.... and I price myself lower than them so they buy from me. I'm like the shard wholesaler!

It really depends on the shard's individual economy. I would never sell resources on ATL... but on Pac I do pretty well. And is not just imbuing resources, is also leathers, ingots, and other items. I keep my vendors stocked, and it took time, but people buy from me regularly.

And lo! All that armor people leave behind on their hunts! Sometimes I don't even kill a mob myself, I just follow behind and loot what people leave. Sometimes, I make more in points and ingots/leather in a night than I would hunting for a week. I will go to events not for the drops, but to dry-loot the boss. You'd be amazed by what people leave behind.

Again - depends on the shard...

Kirthag said:

For the fighter classes (paladin, warrior, etc.), running around solo and doing content is enough to make some decent gold - but not from the gold you loot... is from the resources you gather.

Get enough for a house, plant a vendor, and sell Imbuing resources you get from hunting. Get these resources from the Abyss or around Ter Mur - check your shard's going rates and drop your price by 5-10%. People will buy you out, but if you do it, you will easily make some serious gold and become a resource that others will count on. 

Also, those armor pieces most people leave behind? They are worth gold!!! I sell "decent" armor at 500gp each. I don't care if it is Legendary or just something "nice" - people want different things, and pricing them cheap means they will buy. If armor doesn't sell in a month, I either trash for clean up points, or unravel for resources, or smelt for base. It all has value in the end, and other players will buy if you price right and pay attention to the market on your shard.

This is exactly what I do. I'm a "pure paladin" who doesn't use masteries. I do runs through dungeons, collect resources, and put them on my vendors. I started doing the Abyss _a lot_ since last June, and I just set up a NewMag commodity vendor for petals and bulk resources.

Now, I spend a lot as I am a collector and run a museum so I tend to buy things from other shards, especially items that belong on Pac or Napa. But my average bank balance is 50mil, give or take 5mil. At peak I had 2plat right before the holidays - but buying up things from other shards kinda ate into that. You will start to enjoy the content, make gold for the scrolls and such you want, and slowly get into the so called "end game content" - which really doesn't exist. ANYoNE can run through the Abyss - might die a lot, but can still run through. 


Resources, especially if you have a lot of crafters on your shard, is how you start to really build your golden egg. Vendor Search is a boon for the solo player who can provide resources, and people need the resources to imbue those suits... they pay well.

@Kirthag

This is exactly what I do. I'm a "pure paladin" who doesn't use masteries.

May I ask if there is any particular reason as to why not use Masteries ?

Tabard idea is good. I buy 110 magery scroll. Lock magery at 100. Find a +10 mage ring. You fail at EVs at lot less

i dont get the failing magery part..whats that got to do with doing shrine battles

Att 100 Magery you fail trying to make Energy Vortexes a lot.  If it is a big group you need to do damage.

ahh ok thanks. lots of good info. but now i  curious what method jadav is hiding lol

monkgamer said:

i dont get the failing magery part..whats that got to do with doing shrine battles

popps said:

@ Kirthag

This is exactly what I do. I'm a "pure paladin" who doesn't use masteries.

May I ask if there is any particular reason as to why not use Masteries ?

Am (was) a hardcore RPer in Sosaria.
The masteries do not fit in with the character.

Besides, makes for a more challenging game, eh?

It is not about getting every skill/cap/item for me. In a sandbox game, its the experience of the content - which is why I get kinda frustrated with your dissertative questions here in the forum. A lot of what you quest for can be experienced in the game and (for me) offers a more meaningful end than having the devs or other players explain to me. 

I used to RP a pure barbarian who distrusted any form of magic (even those from the gods). Staying true to character, Kirthag would avoid mages - even swore to kill a few just for magically lighting a campfire. However, many years of RPing with certain people on Napa and Kirthag has.... matured --- metamorphed actually --- into a being less chaotic and more as a servant to others around her. In this, she found "faith" and believes in a living, uniting power which she can muster from time to time as a paladin. However, she still doesn't believe it is totally benevolent, which is why she still uses bandages and will not adopt masteries.  Makes for interesting pvp I tell ya.

Kirthag, being my main character, is really a very old character (created for D&D back in 1980..). She has been through all sorts of games, campaigns, and worlds. Sosaria is the one place where she thrives - so I identify as her a lot here. That is not to say that I do not have other characters/toons which use masteries, but they are ... a mystery.


I digress... this thread is not about the reasons or playstyle of an old-skool Sosarian who laments good RP within the game. Is about making gold, eh?

If you want scrolls why not do champ spawns?  They are pretty easy to solo. Far easier than peerless.  Then you have the scrolls you desire.     If not, then how about other content to acquire things you can sell for the scrolls you desire?    If you want to pure gold farm - try Miasma, Swoop or the Undead Guardians.  Bring a bag of sending and make 20k every 5 minutes.  I hunt Miasma for tmaps and it drops in like 5 hits with a sampire and drops 2400 gold and insta spawns.  

It will take time to make millions but you can also sell the tmaps.  Those are Hoard level maps and you should be able to sell for 50k each (from the boxes it drops).  With the gold and the maps you should be able to clear 300-500k an hour depending on box drops. Is that not fast enough?

Edit : I ran a fun test for you. 20 minutes exactly at Miasma. 

• Looted 120k gold (40k x 3 times on the bag of sending). 
• Got a fun legendary bracelet
• got a piece of greymist armor
• 2 marties (robe of eclipse and bloodwood spirit)
• looted a cache map along with 4 chests that contain Hoard Maps at 50k each

So thats 120k gold plus at least 200k (50k x 4 maps) of items for 320k in 20 minutes.  That translates to 1m per hour.    

Also after opening chests - trashed 51 items plus chests for 751 turn in points.  1k points is a Mannequin deed that sells for 300k or so. Get 2 per hour.  Thats another 600k.   So all told - 1.6m per hour.  

"Open 4-5 accounts. (game time code for a month is around 100mill)" @jadav Gametime codes bought in game for gold are not allowed/suggested. Per @Mesanna ;:

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Thanks all. I been looking into the plunder orc thingies..since I hot High seas now. It says a mythical cargo is worth 10 mil gold, but a triton is 140k dubloons..but tritons sell for 14 mil or so. I don't get how getting a triton is worth it if the mythical is worth 10 mil, thus 14 of those is 140 mil?

Theo said:

If you want scrolls why not do champ spawns?  They are pretty easy to solo. Far easier than peerless.  Then you have the scrolls you desire.     If not, then how about other content to acquire things you can sell for the scrolls you desire?    If you want to pure gold farm - try Miasma, Swoop or the Undead Guardians.  Bring a bag of sending and make 20k every 5 minutes.  I hunt Miasma for tmaps and it drops in like 5 hits with a sampire and drops 2400 gold and insta spawns.  

It will take time to make millions but you can also sell the tmaps.  Those are Hoard level maps and you should be able to sell for 50k each (from the boxes it drops).  With the gold and the maps you should be able to clear 300-500k an hour depending on box drops. Is that not fast enough?

Edit : I ran a fun test for you. 20 minutes exactly at Miasma. 

• Looted 120k gold (40k x 3 times on the bag of sending). 
• Got a fun legendary bracelet
• got a piece of greymist armor
• 2 marties (robe of eclipse and bloodwood spirit)
• looted a cache map along with 4 chests that contain Hoard Maps at 50k each

So thats 120k gold plus at least 200k (50k x 4 maps) of items for 320k in 20 minutes.  That translates to 1m per hour.    

Also after opening chests - trashed 51 items plus chests for 751 turn in points.  1k points is a Mannequin deed that sells for 300k or so. Get 2 per hour.  Thats another 600k.   So all told - 1.6m per hour.  

@Theo

Do all of Mondain's Legacy "Named Creatures" Chests contain a Mannequin Deed ?

That is a novelty for me, I had no idea that inside the Chests that Named Creatures from Mondain's Legacy drop, could be found Mannequin deeds....

Chests do not contain mannequin deeds, Theo was explaining that he got 751 clean up points, which is close to enough to claim a mannequin from clean up, at a cost of 1000 clean up points.

Go to the casino, high mid low game.  Aside from crafting suits and weapons, that's where I made all my gold.

Mariah said:

Chests do not contain mannequin deeds, Theo was explaining that he got 751 clean up points, which is close to enough to claim a mannequin from clean up, at a cost of 1000 clean up points.

Correct.  751 points for 20 minutes x 3 = Over 2,000 points per hour.  Mannequin deeds are available from Clean up Brit for 1,000 points so you can get 2 per hour.  They are worth at least 100k on a vendor up to 200k depending on shard.  

That was part of my point - when you go out hunting look for ALL the things that can make you cash.  You will find you can generate 2x or 3x as much gold as you think.  Kill dragons? Loot the gems and cut the hides.  You can sell barbed leather for 40gp per.  In fel a regular dragon drops 40 (1600 gold) and a greater drops 60 (2400 gold of leather).   Add that to the 2k it drops plus another 1k in gems and you can get 4-6k per dragon.  That adds up pretty fast.  

A cassino? where is that? seems like a great place to lose what little ive made so far lol

also, great tips theo thanks, didn't know leather sold that much now

https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/gameplay/npc-commercial-transactions/fortunes-fire-resort-and-casino/

Theo said:

Mariah said:

Chests do not contain mannequin deeds, Theo was explaining that he got 751 clean up points, which is close to enough to claim a mannequin from clean up, at a cost of 1000 clean up points.

Correct.  751 points for 20 minutes x 3 = Over 2,000 points per hour.  Mannequin deeds are available from Clean up Brit for 1,000 points so you can get 2 per hour.  They are worth at least 100k on a vendor up to 200k depending on shard.  

That was part of my point - when you go out hunting look for ALL the things that can make you cash.  You will find you can generate 2x or 3x as much gold as you think.  Kill dragons? Loot the gems and cut the hides.  You can sell barbed leather for 40gp per.  In fel a regular dragon drops 40 (1600 gold) and a greater drops 60 (2400 gold of leather).   Add that to the 2k it drops plus another 1k in gems and you can get 4-6k per dragon.  That adds up pretty fast.  

Of course most of your suggestion is heavily skewed.  The vast majority of the time Miasma does not drop 4 chests in 20 minutes.  Not that she isn’t still a good place to make money, but your figures are heavily inflated.  I would say it much more likely that it’s somewhere closer to 4 per hour, not 12.

Merus said:

Theo said:

Mariah said:

Chests do not contain mannequin deeds, Theo was explaining that he got 751 clean up points, which is close to enough to claim a mannequin from clean up, at a cost of 1000 clean up points.

Correct.  751 points for 20 minutes x 3 = Over 2,000 points per hour.  Mannequin deeds are available from Clean up Brit for 1,000 points so you can get 2 per hour.  They are worth at least 100k on a vendor up to 200k depending on shard.  

That was part of my point - when you go out hunting look for ALL the things that can make you cash.  You will find you can generate 2x or 3x as much gold as you think.  Kill dragons? Loot the gems and cut the hides.  You can sell barbed leather for 40gp per.  In fel a regular dragon drops 40 (1600 gold) and a greater drops 60 (2400 gold of leather).   Add that to the 2k it drops plus another 1k in gems and you can get 4-6k per dragon.  That adds up pretty fast.  

Of course most of your suggestion is heavily skewed.  The vast majority of the time Miasma does not drop 4 chests in 20 minutes.  Not that she isn’t still a good place to make money, but your figures are heavily inflated.  I would say it much more likely that it’s somewhere closer to 4 per hour, not 12.

Not to mention it's the perfect example of counting your chickens before they hatch. It's not like buyers are standing behind you with gold in hand, waiting for you to sell them all of those items to them as you earn them. Once you've farmed now you've got to play the waiting game to sell all of those items in an already overly saturated market.

I think another part of this is new players not understanding what loot is good and what is bad - which is really only learned by playing the game.

I'm a returning veteran already having knowledge of armor/weapon values.

I walked into Shame, killed something and got a semi-useful lesser artifact off the very first kill that could probably sell for 1-3m, which resulted in being trashed as trading such a cheap item was not worth my time.

That was my 10-minute returning experience.

New players obviously won't have the knowledge and items I used to kill this monster, but they are easily earned with the effort of reading websites, asking questions in-game and getting familiar with the community.

Believe it or not, you have the ability to farm upgrades for yourself which will eventually lead to farming loot to sell.

If you're trying to make gold by looting gold, I have yet to find an efficient way of doing this.  Selling items is faster, less work, and increases your knowledge of the game and the economy.  Decent items can drop from anything, anywhere.

Lastly, I've found this gaming community to be very generous compared to other gaming communities.  There are community hunts on several servers that I'm aware of which will give you a chance at getting high-tiered loot.

Merus said:

Theo said:

Mariah said:

Chests do not contain mannequin deeds, Theo was explaining that he got 751 clean up points, which is close to enough to claim a mannequin from clean up, at a cost of 1000 clean up points.

Correct.  751 points for 20 minutes x 3 = Over 2,000 points per hour.  Mannequin deeds are available from Clean up Brit for 1,000 points so you can get 2 per hour.  They are worth at least 100k on a vendor up to 200k depending on shard.  

That was part of my point - when you go out hunting look for ALL the things that can make you cash.  You will find you can generate 2x or 3x as much gold as you think.  Kill dragons? Loot the gems and cut the hides.  You can sell barbed leather for 40gp per.  In fel a regular dragon drops 40 (1600 gold) and a greater drops 60 (2400 gold of leather).   Add that to the 2k it drops plus another 1k in gems and you can get 4-6k per dragon.  That adds up pretty fast.  

Of course most of your suggestion is heavily skewed.  The vast majority of the time Miasma does not drop 4 chests in 20 minutes.  Not that she isn’t still a good place to make money, but your figures are heavily inflated.  I would say it much more likely that it’s somewhere closer to 4 per hour, not 12.

I don’t understand skewed. This is exactly what I got and usually get from Miasma. It depends on how fast you kill him. A samphire with a slayer weapon using enemy of one and honor kills him very fast.  I just reported my 20 min test. 

Theo said:

Merus said:

Theo said:

Mariah said:

Chests do not contain mannequin deeds, Theo was explaining that he got 751 clean up points, which is close to enough to claim a mannequin from clean up, at a cost of 1000 clean up points.

Correct.  751 points for 20 minutes x 3 = Over 2,000 points per hour.  Mannequin deeds are available from Clean up Brit for 1,000 points so you can get 2 per hour.  They are worth at least 100k on a vendor up to 200k depending on shard.  

That was part of my point - when you go out hunting look for ALL the things that can make you cash.  You will find you can generate 2x or 3x as much gold as you think.  Kill dragons? Loot the gems and cut the hides.  You can sell barbed leather for 40gp per.  In fel a regular dragon drops 40 (1600 gold) and a greater drops 60 (2400 gold of leather).   Add that to the 2k it drops plus another 1k in gems and you can get 4-6k per dragon.  That adds up pretty fast.  

Of course most of your suggestion is heavily skewed.  The vast majority of the time Miasma does not drop 4 chests in 20 minutes.  Not that she isn’t still a good place to make money, but your figures are heavily inflated.  I would say it much more likely that it’s somewhere closer to 4 per hour, not 12.

I don’t understand skewed. This is exactly what I got and usually get from Miasma. It depends on how fast you kill him. A samphire with a slayer weapon using enemy of one and honor kills him very fast.  I just reported my 20 min test. 

Well if I went there and killed 1 Miasma in 60 seconds and got a chest, I could do the same as you...

Get 2400 gold and a level 6 chest every 60 seconds... if the map is worth 50k, then I made 52,400 gold in 60 seconds... that is 3,144,000 gold per hour... and 6,000 clean up points per hour just for turning in the chests (60 @ 100 pts each)

Are you seeing the issue?

I would estimate that someone killing Misama at a reasonable speed (80-100 kills per hour) could expect to average 4 or 5 chests per hour (last I saw published odd for paragon chests are 1/20)  IMO, my math at 60 per hour and your math at 12 per hour are skewed for a drop rate that is too high.

Just out of curiosity what shard you on? I have hoard maps on my vendor for 30k and they are not moving. Unless you are talking about digging them up but that take more than ten minutes. 

My point is as in the real world an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay so do some research on your shard if your plan is to sell items. I know it sound strange but talk to people on your shard about what sells and at what price. General chat or bank siters are a good place to start. 

I would recommend digging up treasure chests for a quick way to get some gold IF YOU FIND IT ENJOYABLE. If not do as I do, find what I do enjoy in the game and then figure out how to make money off it.

Personally I find spreadsheets and doing calculations of income per hour too much like the real world I come to UO to escape.

Look - how big is enough sample size?  It is not a single Miasma.

I just did another 20 minute test.  Same setup. Hitting for approx 130-160 hp of dmg per hit and swinging at max speed.  Killing non-stop and looting one while whacking the next. 

• 6 Chests
• 3 Pieces of Myrandom Armor
• 1 Piece of Hunters Garb
• 0 Marties
• 110k gold (slightly less as the chests were heavy and I had to run home and back in the middle)

Maybe you kill them slowly or dont' use luck.  With a sampire and honor you get a luck boost every kill.   Now in 40 minutes I've gotten a total of 10 chests. 

Edit: Another 20 minutes....

• 4 Chests
• 120k Gold
• Shield from Malykyes Juggernaut Set
• Blue Parrott

Seems pretty repeatable to me.  Thats 14 boxes in an hour with around 330k in pure gold.  

Seems repeatable to me. 

Tim said:

Just out of curiosity what shard you on? I have hoard maps on my vendor for 30k and they are not moving. Unless you are talking about digging them up but that take more than ten minutes. 

My point is as in the real world an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay so do some research on your shard if your plan is to sell items. I know it sound strange but talk to people on your shard about what sells and at what price. General chat or bank siters are a good place to start. 

I would recommend digging up treasure chests for a quick way to get some gold IF YOU FIND IT ENJOYABLE. If not do as I do, find what I do enjoy in the game and then figure out how to make money off it.

Personally I find spreadsheets and doing calculations of income per hour too much like the real world I come to UO to escape.

I'm on great lakes. It does depend on the facet the map is for. If its Ilsh or Ter Mur its not very good. Malas the easiest and Tram second easiest.  Fel maps can include powerscrolls and sell for a premium (75k).   

I keep my maps and do them on my thunter. They are all super easy to solo and if your hoard contains a trove map you then have a path to high end loot.  

The Hoard Tmap has 30k of gold in it plus 20x of 6 gems or something. Average of 100gp per gem thats 12k in gems - so if nothing else - maps can net you 50k of gold without needing to vendor anything.   Add in alacrity, pinks, and 105/110 powerscrolls and maps can be a gold mine too but maybe not as fast as Miasma.

End of the day - I was giving an example of how to make money to someone complaining about item costs.  There are plenty of ways to make money if you are willing to work for it.

I think after playing a few weeks, its clear that gold can be made pretty quickly if you do things right. Its also very clear that the suggestions here are pretty spot on. Play on atlantic, get a guild, just play the game, and you will get what you need whether you have gold or not. 

There are so many  helpful people, who are willing to just give good gear to others to help them out. I dang near have everything I need and didn't really pay for anything.But I do have a sense of pride for the game, knowing the people are so nice and helpful, that I will pass along such kindness to others.

I have now done a few high end content areas and bosses and its fun and there is plenty more to see and do.

Of course, nothign is perfect. I still don't feel everyone should have to guild or group up to experience high end content, as its not always possible. I don't feel only tamers and sampires should be able to solo everything. But what ya gonna do?

I envy people who get chests from Miasma. Several times I have played for an hour and killed 20+ Miasmas and not a single chest has dropped. Most time I end up with just 1 chest.

TimSt said:

I envy people who get chests from Miasma. Several times I have played for an hour and killed 20+ Miasmas and not a single chest has dropped. Most time I end up with just 1 chest.

So that info is helpful there. If you are only killing in the range of 20 in an hour then I can see why you only get 1 chest. With the template I described with the right weapon you kill approx 2 miasma a minute. Sometimes three. That’s 120-180 per hour.  

monkgamer said:

Of course, nothign is perfect. I still don't feel everyone should have to guild or group up to experience high end content, as its not always possible. I don't feel only tamers and sampires should be able to solo everything. But what ya gonna do?

... Think outside the box.  Sampires and tamers are the go to choice because they're brain dead easy.  There are ways to solo high end content by other means, it just gets complicated.  Requires custom and intricate templates and suits/weapons.  Best bet is always get friends, if not to make it easier then to at least have a good time.  I solo a lot of things out if necessity (things people don't want to do, or because of the time I play), but if given the choice of always partner up.  

Always a good time grabbing some new players and running despise, peerless or what ever won't murder them instantly.

Pawain said:

Gold is for buying Deco. The things you need for characters are found by playing or crafting.

Bye Bye  

this guy gets it