22 Year VETERAN Reward. PLEASE, make it claimable by 22 Years Active Age old Accounts....

@Mesanna , @Bleak , @Kyronix

Dear Broadsword,

Veteran "Active Age" Accounts are an asset to Ultima Online and Broadsword, I would imagine, since they bring in a steady influx of monthly resources which can, reasonably, be "relied upon".....

I mean, if a player has kept an account for "that" long as active, chances are that they will keep maintaining it active..... so, it could be safe to say, I would imagine, that such "loyal" customers could be customers which, when it comes to resources for Ultima Online, could be relied upon....

That said, shouldn't these Loyal Customers be shown a sign of appreciation for their Loyalty for such an exceptional and long period of time ?

Veteran Rewards, to my opinion, look to be the perfect "tool" to show to these Loyal Customers that sign of appreciation....

YET, if Veteran Rewards keep being "stopped" at 15 Years of Account "Active Age" (being at 22 we are SEVEN Years past that.....), why would a Veteran player want to maintain their Account as active should they have, for whatever reasons, motifs to stop their subscription ?

Only because at 20 Years of "Active Age" they could claim a Serpentine Dragon Mount ?

What I am trying to say, is that if you have customers who have been loyal to Ultima Online for some 22 Years, well, perhaps it might be a good idea to show the appreciation for such an exceptional and LONG loyalty by issuing a Veteran Reward that only their Account, with 22 Years of a whopping Active Age, could claim ?

You can well make it so that any Active Age account can then use such a Reward, but please, make it so that, at least, only 22 Years of  "Active Age" accounts can claim it to show to all these players that their being Loyal to Ultima Online for a whopping 22 Years is very meaningfull and greatly appreciated.

This would defeat the argument that only such high active age accounts could enjoy this particular Reward and also, since you kindly always present Rewards for Younger Veteran Active age Years accounts, also account not having such an exceptional Active Age, can enjoy plentifully their Veteran Rewards.

Having "Top" Active Age accounts Veteran Rewards, to my viewing, is a way to show to these players who maintained their Accounts as Active for such an exceptionally long period of time, the appreciation for such an exceptional Loyalty. Besides, it could also motivate younger active age accounts players, to want to maintain their accounts as active for longer so as to be able to progress in their accounts' active age in order to be able to claim those "top" Years Veteran Rewards.

Or, if they are in a hurry to get them, they could get them more simply from players who have their Account Active Age to claim them...

So, PLEASE, make at least 1 Veteran Reward this 2019 that will be only claimable by 22 Years Active Age Veteran Accounts. Make it usable by any active age account, so that one way or the other any player might be able to use it but please, make at least 1 Veteran Reward only "claimable" by 22 Years Veteran Account "Active" Age.

Thank you SO much.

To me the best reward is I had so much fun and entertainment my soon 21 years of playing and I feel so sad for all ppl that missed what I had .  But give popps a rocking chair with his name on so we can skip this topic every year this time!

My first account might have only been opened in 1998 and I’ve added 6 more over the years so I’m not quite as old as the oldest accounts... but I personally hope they leave it at 15 permanently (other than the age titles).  There is no excuse for veterans having exclusive access to game content just to show off their veteran status.  Put on your 22 year vet title and go play!

There were strong reasons that the veteran rewards stopped at 15 years. Can you not be happy with the fact that 22 year accounts have had more rewards 'picks' than any other?

Popps can't be happy with anything.

Also whats the difference in payed money for 1 22 year accounrt and 2 11 year? isnt it as much support?

One of my accounts would be 22 years and the other would be 20 but since I left for 6 years there only 16 and 14. I like the way they have it set up.

The 15 or 22 year argument I could go either way.
But I do agree some Vet rewards should have use limited to accounts old enough to claim them. At least the "vanity" items like etherals. 

The program was set up to reward long term players not a cash cow for resellers.

All that BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH for I want more Vet rewards but as we all know the OP has zero clue what K.I.S.S. ever remotely stands for.

We need more rewards for years 1-5 if anything. No one starting today will likely be playing in 20 years.

Although exclusive titles for each two years should keep going. 

That fancy veteran licence plate would look good on my car and the fact I never served shouldn't stop me from having one. 

Split the veteran rewards into two groups. 

• Useful: corrupt portals, sewing machines so on anyone can use
• Vanity: ethereal mounts, robes etc that you have to be old enough to claim to use.

This would not effect game play and still be a reward for those of us who have stuck around. If you are new or just returned welcome back but don't expect to push the easy button.

Petra_Fyde said:

There were strong reasons that the veteran rewards stopped at 15 years. Can you not be happy with the fact that 22 year accounts have had more rewards 'picks' than any other?

I do not see those reasons to be as "strong" as others may see them.

The argument used, at least to my understanding, was that players starting UO now, would see it as an overwhelming achievement to reach an active account age of over 15 Years in order to claim those Veteran Rewards....

So what ?

Each Year, multiple Veteran Rewards are released for various account ages.

There is PLENTY of Veteran Rewards for pretty much any and all active account ages from 1 Year onwards.

That Broadsword was to release also "Top" active age accounts Veteran Rewards over 15 Years, how would that "hurt" younger active age accounts when each and every Year Broadsword releases multiple Veteran Rewards for Years below 15 ?

Furthermore, if Veteran Rewards released for active accounts ages over 15 Years where to be claimable only by those "Top" Years, but, at the same one time, be usable also by younger active age accounts, the argument of them being "exclusive" to those "Top" active age accounts would hold no ground.

Any younger active age account players could get them one way or the other from older age accounts players as it has always been over all of these Years, and these younger age accounts players could well also enjoy them, likewise.

Yet, by making these "Top" Years Veteran Rewards claimable only by those 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and now 22 active age accounts, this, at least to my point of view, could be a clear sign that being loyal to Ultima Online is greatly appreciated well past 15 Years of active account age....

Frankly, those "strong" arguments I do not see them as strong at all.

I do not see why, for example, a "Top" active age account that has been paying for 22 Years, should be then "likewised" to an account that was SEVEN Years younger of active age, only 15 Years.

Sorry but no, those "strong" arguments do not look that strong to me at all.

An Account that has been loyal to Ultima Online because kept as active for 22 Years, cannot be likened to one that was only 15 Years of active age, well SEVEN Years younger.

At least, that is the way I see it.

Minerva_Foxglove said:

Also whats the difference in payed money for 1 22 year accounrt and 2 11 year? isnt it as much support?

There is a whole world of difference, to my viewing....

Businesses, in order to plan their Resources availability, need to be able to count on Customers' Loyalty.

An account that has been kept as active for 22 Years, at least as I see it, has a higher chance of being kept active as compared to 2 accounts of 11 Years or even 22 accounts of 1 Year.....

That is why, as I see it, for a Company is much more important to prize "Top" Years accounts rather than younger age accounts, because those "older" age accounts are more likely to still be there tomorrow, as compared to those younger age accounts....

That is, the probability for that Business to consider those revenues from those "Top" oldest years accounts as almost guaranteed, is significantly higher as compared to younger age accounts.

And this is why, as I see it, it would be MORE beneficial to the Business to prize such oldest, "Top" Years account loyalty, because it would send a clear message out to customers that the more they stay with that business, the more their loyalty is appreciated.

In the case of Ultima Online, BEYOND an account active age of 15 Years....

At least, that is how I see it.

Weren't you spewing word vomit the other day about things need to be tailored toward new players? How does a reward a new player would never receive help them (*cough* Shard Shields *cough*)?

I await your 4000-word dissertation on why this is different, and the two aren't mutually exclusive. 

AtomicBetty said:

Yes let's put out new rewards that any person starting today will never be able to use. I can go for that.

I said something different.

There is TWO issues with a Veteran Reward, their "claimability" and their "usability".....

A Veteran Reward (and we have plenty which are like this, already) can VERY WELL be only "claimable" by a set active account age BUT be designed, at the same one time, to be "usable" by any active account age or accounts of "at least" a given active age, whichever might be wanted....

So, that a given Veteran Reward could be designed to be "claimed" by only 22 Years of active age account, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY MEAN that such a Reward could only be used by an account that was 22 Years of active age old....

"If" that Veteran Reward was ALSO Designed to be "usable" by Younger active age accounts, well, THEN, any and all account could use that Veteran Reward...... 

Karyn said:

Weren't you spewing word vomit the other day about things need to be tailored toward new players? How does a reward a new player would never receive help them (*cough* Shard Shields *cough*)?

I await your 4000-word dissertation on why this is different, and the two aren't mutually exclusive. 

Please, read the Post right below yours or above this for my answer......

 monthsMaximus_Neximus said:

We need more rewards for years 1-5 if anything. No one starting today will likely be playing in 20 years.

Although exclusive titles for each two years should keep going. 

Every Year that goes by, Boadsword kindly releases MULTIPLE Veteran Rewards for various Years of active account age.

If one looks at the Veteran Rewards page, https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/items/veteran-rewards/#1

My impression is that the "Younger" active account age Years are, BY FAR, presenting WAAAAY more Rewards as compared to the older, "Top" Year active account age accounts....

Year 1 (12-23 months)       I counted 14 different items, some with multiple options too.
Year 2 (24-35 months)       I counted 10 different items, some with multiple options too.
Year 3 (36-47 months)       I counted   5 different items, some with multiple options too.
Year 4 (48-59 months)       I counted 10 different items, some with multiple options too.
Year 5 (60-71 months)       I counted 12 different items, some with multiple options too.
Year 6 (72-83 months)       I counted   2 different items, one with multiple options too.
Year 7 (84-95 months)       I counted 11 different items, including the 8 house add-ons.
Year 8 (96-107 months)     I counted   3 different items.
Year 9 (108-119 months)   I counted   3 different items, one with multiple options too.
Year 10 (120-132 months) I counted 11 different items included the 3 types of Oval Rugs.
Year 11 (133-143 months) I counted   5 different items, one with multiple options too.
Year 12 (144-155 months) I counted   5 different items, one with multiple options too.
Year 13 (156-167 months) I counted   2 different items.
Year 14 (168-179 months) I counted   1 item with multiple options.
Year 15 (180-191 months) I counted   4 items.
Year 16 - NOTHING
Year 17 - NOTHING
Year 18 - NOTHING
Year 19 - NOTHING
Year 20 - I counted 1 item.
Year 21 - NOTHING
Year 22- We'll see.....

And as you go up in age you get to pick more of those things that limited choices did not allow you to pick.  My dilema now days is more Shard Shields or More Garden Sheds.  If anything I would be for them adding 1 more pick per year after 15 years.  That would probably be more appreciated than some new pixels.   Either way vet rewards neither make or break the UO experience.

Tyrath said:

And as you go up in age you get to pick more of those things that limited choices did not allow you to pick.  My dilema now days is more Shard Shields or More Garden Sheds.  If anything I would be for them adding 1 more pick per year after 15 years.  That would probably be more appreciated than some new pixels.   Either way vet rewards neither make or break the UO experience.

Tyrath said:

And as you go up in age you get to pick more of those things that limited choices did not allow you to pick.  My dilema now days is more Shard Shields or More Garden Sheds.  If anything I would be for them adding 1 more pick per year after 15 years.  That would probably be more appreciated than some new pixels.   Either way vet rewards neither make or break the UO experience.

Maximus_Neximus said:

Tyrath said:

And as you go up in age you get to pick more of those things that limited choices did not allow you to pick.  My dilema now days is more Shard Shields or More Garden Sheds.  If anything I would be for them adding 1 more pick per year after 15 years.  That would probably be more appreciated than some new pixels.   Either way vet rewards neither make or break the UO experience.

I'd be good with additional picks as you reach 10 and 15 years. As you said, it allows you to pick things you've had to pass on and it allows more of an opportunity for more vet rewards to be available to younger accounts.

@ popps 

Out of all the first or second year choices, how many are really worth it by today's standards?  Maybe 4 or 5 depending on your play-style? This is coming from someone with old accounts and a lot of unpicked rewards. At this point, vet rewards need to be catered to the younger accounts. Give vets titles and more picks I'd consider 3+ picks each year after 10 years and maybe continue the additional pick every 5 years.

Sure, the statuettes have little utility to a Young player who is still struggling to catch up, it would be nice, for example, if there was a pick for Year 1 for a Legendary Powerscroll of the player's choice....

I am sure that new players would appreciate that use of a pick considering how hard for many of them is to get some 120s and thus progress in their Characters' advancement....

That may be the silliest idea yet.

Marge said:

Sure, the statuettes have little utility to a Young player who is still struggling to catch up, it would be nice, for example, if there was a pick for Year 1 for a Legendary Powerscroll of the player's choice....

I am sure that new players would appreciate that use of a pick considering how hard for many of them is to get some 120s and thus progress in their Characters' advancement....

That may be the silliest idea yet.

Tyrath said:

  They should just add a 1st year reward called the everything for free and easy pick.  yer 15th through 22 year reward is a great game that that still entertains you.  ALthough I would not be opposed to a 22 year deco cupcake as a reward pick that is account bound.

 

Cookie>Cupcake

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Tyrath said:

  They should just add a 1st year reward called the everything for free and easy pick.  yer 15th through 22 year reward is a great game that that still entertains you.  ALthough I would not be opposed to a 22 year deco cupcake as a reward pick that is account bound.

 

Cookie>Cupcake

  Yer right but I like cup cakes more now since no one seems capable of making a crunchy cookie now days 🙂  So lets go hog wild and demand TWO 22 year options Glacial Cookies or Neon Purple Cupcakes!

Tyrath said:

Victim_Of_Siege said:

Tyrath said:

  They should just add a 1st year reward called the everything for free and easy pick.  yer 15th through 22 year reward is a great game that that still entertains you.  ALthough I would not be opposed to a 22 year deco cupcake as a reward pick that is account bound.

 

Cookie>Cupcake

  Yer right but I like cup cakes more now since no one seems capable of making a crunchy cookie now days 🙂  So lets go hog wild and demand TWO 22 year options Glacial Cookies or Neon Purple Cupcakes!

*nods*

Why would you want to hold things back from newer players? Wouldn't it make more sense to entice newer players to come along and stick around? I can't think of anything in the game I care less about than being able to use something younger accounts can't.

LilyGrace said:

Why would you want to hold things back from newer players? Wouldn't it make more sense to entice newer players to come along and stick around? I can't think of anything in the game I care less about than being able to use something younger accounts can't.

Then do away with "Veteran" rewards completely and treat all players like new players or as I call it the easy button.

Tim said:

LilyGrace said:

Why would you want to hold things back from newer players? Wouldn't it make more sense to entice newer players to come along and stick around? I can't think of anything in the game I care less about than being able to use something younger accounts can't.

Then do away with "Veteran" rewards completely and treat all players like new players or as I call it the easy button.

Easy button? What’s difficult about getting an anniversary gift?

Everyone who sticks around becomes a veteran. If you stick around for a year you become a one year veteran. And with that comes a single prize. 

When the 22nd anniversary rolls around, if you’re someone who never stopped playing along the way, you’ve created an opportunity to receive 22 prizes. 

Younger players will never be able to catch up. Personally it doesn’t matter to me what any player is allowed to pick from the list. 

I’d be more interested in reaching a milestone that allowed a veteran to pick up a extra gift than I would be in making sure a younger player can’t get their hands on the same pixels I covet. 

I really like the kind of items we get from vet rewards but I cant see whats wrong  if everyone else has the same ones. 

LilyGrace said:

Tim said:

LilyGrace said:

Why would you want to hold things back from newer players? Wouldn't it make more sense to entice newer players to come along and stick around? I can't think of anything in the game I care less about than being able to use something younger accounts can't.

Then do away with "Veteran" rewards completely and treat all players like new players or as I call it the easy button.

Easy button? What’s difficult about getting an anniversary gift?

Everyone who sticks around becomes a veteran. If you stick around for a year you become a one year veteran. And with that comes a single prize. 

When the 22nd anniversary rolls around, if you’re someone who never stopped playing along the way, you’ve created an opportunity to receive 22 prizes. 

Younger players will never be able to catch up. Personally it doesn’t matter to me what any player is allowed to pick from the list. 

I’d be more interested in reaching a milestone that allowed a veteran to pick up a extra gift than I would be in making sure a younger player can’t get their hands on the same pixels I covet. 

Everyone who sticks around becomes a veteran. If you stick around for a year you become a one year veteran. And with that comes a single prize.

That's my point, and I do not understand why it bothers so much anyone.....

ESPECIALLY, considering how Broadsword every Year kindly releases SEVERAL Veteran Rewards, for various active account ages across the board, AND, also, it could make the "TOP" active account ages Veteran rewards (say 22, 21, 20, 19, 18, 17, 16) only claimable by the specific Year they are addressed to BUT, usable by any and all active age account Years or from some active age Year upwards... which ever they prefer.

Pretty much ALL active account ages BUT THE OLDEST ONES (with the exception of 20 Years...), up to 15 Years of active age, that is, have Veteran Rewards addressed to THEM.

That is, those players, with those active account age accounts, to my viewing, CAN IDENTIFY with that token of appreciation from Ultima Online which says a thank you to THEM, specifically, because their account is THAT precise active age.....

This is NOT SUCH for those players with active age accounts of 16, 17, 18, 19, 21 and 22 Years of active age.

To THESE players, holding THESE active age accounts, THEIR specific account, at least as I see it, is not "specifically addressed" with a Veteran Reward token of appreciation for their Loyalty, for such an extensive and whopping period of time, to Ultima Online.

Do you have any accounts that are 22 years old - or even close?

Marge said:

Do you have any accounts that are 22 years old - or even close?

I would imagine that there is a good number of Ultima Online players who have accounts of an active age of 22, 21, 19, 18, 17 and 16 Years of active age who would appreciate very much to see THEIR specific active age Year to be shown a sign of appreciation for their Loyalty to Ultima Online for so long....

That is the point, at least to my viewing, of Veteran Rewards.

To say a "thank you for your Loyalty" to Ultima Online to specific players and their account.

Frankly, I am unable to understand WHY, accounts of an active age of 16, 17, 18, 19, 21 and now 22 should not also receive their Thank --> YOU <-- just like all other active age Years accounts have received and MULTIPLE TIMES, sometimes (some Years have more then 1 Reward available to them...).

I keep remembering this pertinent info:

Accounts receive 3 reward choices at the end of their first year, then 1 reward per year at ages 2 – 5. From year 6 accounts receive 2 rewards per year.

I also keep asking myself, why would you want an exclusive reward, if you also want newer players to be able to use it?  Could it be because of how much you could ask someone to pay for something they can't get for themselves?

IF there were to be any special 'reward' for accounts over the 15 year stop point, I might consider that an extra pick might be appropriate, 3 picks instead of 2 per year?  Although as a player who has been around consistently since 2k I don't really feel the need for it, I'm totally fine with the status quo.

Petra_Fyde said:

I keep remembering this pertinent info:

Accounts receive 3 reward choices at the end of their first year, then 1 reward per year at ages 2 – 5. From year 6 accounts receive 2 rewards per year.

I also keep asking myself, why would you want an exclusive reward, if you also want newer players to be able to use it?  Could it be because of how much you could ask someone to pay for something they can't get for themselves?

IF there were to be any special 'reward' for accounts over the 15 year stop point, I might consider that an extra pick might be appropriate, 3 picks instead of 2 per year?  Although as a player who has been around consistently since 2k I don't really feel the need for it, I'm totally fine with the status quo.

I also keep asking myself, why would you want an exclusive reward, if you also want newer players to be able to use it?  Could it be because of how much you could ask someone to pay for something they can't get for themselves?

The point is not economical, infact, it "that" was to be the point, I do not see any difference at all with .....

Accounts receive 3 reward choices at the end of their first year, then 1 reward per year at ages 2 – 5. From year 6 accounts receive 2 rewards per year.

Say for example 22 Years active age Accounts 7 Years older then 15 Years, have 14 (7 x 2) Rewards more to sell (or give) to other players.

No, that is not the issue.

The issue is more of a "personal" appreciation for one's own account's Loyalty Age which, as I see it the 2 Rewards per Year do not express as well as a unique Veteran Reward, specifically intended for THAT Year's active age Account could.

Receiving a "specific" Veteran Reward for having been Loyal to Ultima Online for 22 whopping Years, or 21, or 19, or 18, or 17, or 16, feels NOT the same as getting 2 Rewards for any Year of active age past 6..... not by a long shot, IMHO.

A 7th Year active age account, at least to my viewing, does not and cannot show the same "weighted" Loyalty, for example, as a 22 Years of active age account.

YET, they BOTH bring in the same 2 "extra" Veteran Rewards....

But, I cannot possibly see 7 Years of Loyalty being likewised to 22 Years of Loyalty to Ultima Online....

Personally, I think that such an exceptional long lasting Loyalty to Ultima Online should have a more visible appreciation which only unique Veteran Rewards for those "Top" Years could hold....

Players complain that then they cannot use those higher Years Veteran Rewards until their Account was to reach that Veteran status ? No problem, make them claimable by those higher active age Years accounts but usable by all age accounts or, if necessary, by accounts of an active age older then a certain Year.

Furthermore, Event items bring in way, but WAY more gold that a Veteran Rewards ever can sell for... so, frankly, I do not see why the sale of Veteran Rewards would be an issue but that of Event items is not... especially looking at how quite a number of Event items get obtained with multiboxing, I seem to understand.... and through the use of free Endless Journey characters...

At least, with Veteran Rewards, they would come from paid for accounts for many, MANY Years like for example 22, 21, 19, 18, 17, 16 .....

If we want to bring up an argument, let's bring up that of Event items and what they sell for, not of Veteran Rewards....

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popps said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I keep remembering this pertinent info:

Accounts receive 3 reward choices at the end of their first year, then 1 reward per year at ages 2 – 5. From year 6 accounts receive 2 rewards per year.

I also keep asking myself, why would you want an exclusive reward, if you also want newer players to be able to use it?  Could it be because of how much you could ask someone to pay for something they can't get for themselves?

IF there were to be any special 'reward' for accounts over the 15 year stop point, I might consider that an extra pick might be appropriate, 3 picks instead of 2 per year?  Although as a player who has been around consistently since 2k I don't really feel the need for it, I'm totally fine with the status quo.

I also keep asking myself, why would you want an exclusive reward, if you also want newer players to be able to use it?  Could it be because of how much you could ask someone to pay for something they can't get for themselves?

The point is not economical, infact, it "that" was to be the point, I do not see any difference at all with .....

Accounts receive 3 reward choices at the end of their first year, then 1 reward per year at ages 2 – 5. From year 6 accounts receive 2 rewards per year.

Say for example 22 Years active age Accounts 7 Years older then 15 Years, have 14 (7 x 2) Rewards more to sell (or give) to other players.

No, that is not the issue.

The issue is more of a "personal" appreciation for one's own account's Loyalty Age which, as I see it the 2 Rewards per Year do not express as well as a unique Veteran Reward, specifically intended for THAT Year's active age Account could.

Receiving a "specific" Veteran Reward for having been Loyal to Ultima Online for 22 whopping Years, or 21, or 19, or 18, or 17, or 16, feels NOT the same as getting 2 Rewards for any Year of active age past 6..... not by a long shot, IMHO.

A 7th Year active age account, at least to my viewing, does not and cannot show the same "weighted" Loyalty, for example, as a 22 Years of active age account.

YET, they BOTH bring in the same 2 "extra" Veteran Rewards....

But, I cannot possibly see 7 Years of Loyalty being likewised to 22 Years of Loyalty to Ultima Online....

Personally, I think that such an exceptional long lasting Loyalty to Ultima Online should have a more visible appreciation which only unique Veteran Rewards for those "Top" Years could hold....

Players complain that then they cannot use those higher Years Veteran Rewards until their Account was to reach that Veteran status ? No problem, make them claimable by those higher active age Years accounts but usable by all age accounts or, if necessary, by accounts of an active age older then a certain Year.

Furthermore, Event items bring in way, but WAY more gold that a Veteran Rewards ever can sell for... so, frankly, I do not see why the sale of Veteran Rewards would be an issue but that of Event items is not... especially looking at how quite a number of Event items get obtained with multiboxing, I seem to understand.... and through the use of free Endless Journey characters...

At least, with Veteran Rewards, they would come from paid for accounts for many, MANY Years like for example 22, 21, 19, 18, 17, 16 .....

If we want to bring up an argument, let's bring up that of Event items and what they sell for, not of Veteran Rewards....

What a bunch of BullCrap
https://forum.uo.com/discussion/3665/selling-any-of-the-new-veteran-rewards-and-also-20th-year-veteran-reward-serpentine-dragon-mount#latest

I can sell them on any Shard.

PM me if interested.

Bilbo said:

What a bunch of BullCrap

https://forum.uo.com/discussion/3665/selling-any-of-the-new-veteran-rewards-and-also-20th-year-veteran-reward-serpentine-dragon-mount#latest

I can sell them on any Shard.

PM me if interested.

So what ?

As I said, it makes hardly any difference whether it is extra Rewards per Year or the actual Year's reward.

There is no difference in selling "extra" Years' Veteran Rewards or individual Rewards so, that cannot be a valid argument, to my viewing, as it pertain's more to players' choices to what to do with their items.

As I said, a 22 active Years Veteran account still has 7 x 2 more Veteran Rewards as compared to a 15 active Years Veteran account. That is, 14 Veteran Rewards that, if that is what that player wants, they can sell as compared to a 15 Years account.

Hence, is my point, the monetary argument cannot be a valid argument in support of stopping Veteran Rewards at 15 Years.

Instead, the valid argument as I see it in support of having individual Veteran Rewards also for the Years 16, 17, 18, 19, 21 and 22, is the "individual" appreciation of that particular account and active age reached as Loyalty, for that long time....

OP just wants a larger variety of higher end rewards to try and sell, it has nothing to do with helping UO. 

Sounds like a very greedy selfish post, oh wait its Popps, no surprise there.  You want another game ruining toy, Shard Shields not good enough for you, you want something else to give you a massive unfair advantage? How about a 1000% one hit kill anything weapon?  GREED. SELFISH

Time to end this.