Is there a way (How ?) to maximize Resistances through Reforging/Refining and not use Imbuing ?

We know that, through imbuing, we are allocated a weight of 500% to imbue modifiers on items.

Now, imbuing for Resistances costs a FLAT 100% for EACH resistance regardless of how many reistances points we imbue in a given resistance.

Therefore, if a Crafter was to be able to maximize resistances in ways "other" then imbuing, they could save 100% imbuing weight for each resistance not imbued, which could go towards OTHER, also very important modifiers on a suit....

Question is, is out there a way to "maximize" resistances for a suit without having to imbue them or, at the very least, to reduce the imbuing of resistances to a bare minimum so as to leave all of that imbuing weight usually used to imbue Resistances be used for "other" modifiers ?

Perhaps through Reforging and Refining ?

But how could this be done ?

Anyone well knowledged into the Arts of crafting in Ultima Online can suggest a way to get this done ?

I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying, but in my experience when I make a fully imbued suit I craft in barbed leather, imbue 2 of the resistances on each piece, sometimes I get away with only needing to imbue one, taking the suit to all 70s resists and leaving 3 slots to imbue lrc, lmc and something else.

As I understand it, in order to get the best out of a crafted item/suit, it is often advisable to first craft an item with PLAIN material (regular leather, iron ingots etc.), THEN reforge with a runic to get added what one wants through reforging, THEN POF it and at the end, imbue it.

What I am not sure, is how Refining (to adjust the resistances) fits in all this and where is the proper step to insert refinements....

Since crafting Exceptional pieces adds some Reistances "at Random", there is a rare chance that those Resistances coming from the exceptional crafted bonus (15%, then there is also an additional 5% resistances from having Arms Lore) all go towards 1 or 2 resistances rather then be split among all of the 5 resistances...

Since imbuing for resistances has a CAP and, regardless how much resistance one imbues (whether it is 1% or the CAP, I believe 19% ?) costs ANYWAYS the full 100 imbuing weight, it is beneficial to reforge/refine ONLY some resistances leaving the others as low as possible and only then imbue those with the least points in resistances so as to squeeze all of the 100% imbuing cost that it takes to inbue a resistance and, in the process, thus "save" on imbuing weight so as to imbue OTHER properties instead of resistances and, thus, to have a suit with "more" properties as compared to one with less....

The question is, "how" this is best achieved ?

Imbuing over writes whatever is there.  Refinements have no effect whatsoever on what resist an item has, only the cap that the total resist can be taken to. You can use refinements to, for example, raise physical resist to a 75 cap, but you still have to reforge or imbue the resists on the piece to reach that total.

I'm not a fan of reforging, I find the results to random and wasteful, you can burn your way through multiple runic tools and still not achieve what you aimed for. On the other hand I'm not a chaser of 'the uber suit' either, imbued are usually sufficient for my needs, I'm not an uber skilled player. 

@popps
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/gameplay/crafting/armor-refinement/

How about you do some research and then come back and tell us and I bet Stratics has some info on refinement too.

Short answer, yes.

Say a human 70-70-70-70-70 =350 total
So you craft exceptional say studded.

Each piece is 16 base +15 exc + 5 lore =36/piece

So whole suit base is now 216 total, +96 when barb enhanced so now we're at 312/350

So only a few pieces need to have a single resist imbued depending on needs.  If it's a refined DCI suit less, is vamp more, resist refined more.  Can try reforging a mega over capped resist on one or two of the pieces but that just adds more complexity.

The time consuming part comes with crafting the base pieces.  Chew through thousands of leather/ ingots and pull out the pieces with one or more base resists.  Say if plate, one of the resists lands at a base ie. 5-3-2-3-2.  Start with the chest, then legs etc. gloves last since you'll be making a lot of them and they're easy on resources. 

You want the resists after imbuing to all line up perfectly so you don't waste any imbue weight at all.


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Bilbo said:

@ popps
https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/gameplay/crafting/armor-refinement/

How about you do some research and then come back and tell us and I bet Stratics has some info on refinement too.

I have been reading for over a month now, not only that link you posted, but a ton other writings, as well as Posts about crafting in UO all over the place.... yet, things do not come clear, still....

WornOutYourTool said:

Short answer, yes.

Say a human 70-70-70-70 =350 total
So you craft exceptional say studded.

Each piece is 16 base +15 exc + 5 lore =36/piece

So whole suit base is now 216 total, +96 when barb enhanced so now we're at 312/350

So only a few pieces need to have a single resist imbued depending on needs.  If it's a refined DCI suit less, is vamp more.  Can try reforging a mega over capped resist on one of the pieces but that just adds more complexity.

The time consuming part comes with crafting the base pieces.  Chew through thousands of leather/ ingots and pull out the pieces with one or more base resists.  Say if plate, one of the resists lands at a base ie. 5-3-2-3-2.  Start with the chest, then legs etc. gloves last since you'll be making a lot of them and they're easy on resources. 

You want the resists after imbuing to all line up perfectly so you don't waste any imbue weight at all.

Thanks for the heads up !

Questions.

# 1 - Is it possible to over-resist some of the resistances to take into account "debuffs" or also "buffs" which lower certain resistances ? Even if this "breaks" the 70% CAP for each resist ?
How ?

# 2 - in your example with barbed enhancing which mostly adds to resistances sure, the remaining imbuing need is reduced.
But "what if" one needs to imbue for Luck, for example, and worse in leather where spined ONLY adds, besides Luck, on Physical resistance ? Is there a way to STILL limit the number of imbuing for resistances for each piece so as to "save" on imbuing weight for "other" modifiers likewise much needed ?
How ?

# 3 - The Wiki https://uo.com/wiki/ultima-online-wiki/items/base-properties/ mentions the Exceptional Crafting Bonus to the Resistances as 15%.
This Guide on Stratics, instead, https://uo.stratics.com/content/guides/resistance.shtml , I seem to understand it indicates the Exceptionsl Crafting Bonus to Resistances as 6% (Exceptional armor has a 6% defense bonus compared to non-exceptional armor. The 6% is distributed at random among the base properties of the armor. If you are lucky, the 6% is added to a single resist type.).
Which is the valid one, the 15% or the 6% ?

# 4 - In your other example, you mention a plate piece landing with one (or more ?) resistance(s) at its "base value" (5-3-2-3-2 ) even if it has been crafted as Exceptional and with the Arms Lore bonus.
Now, is this (rare occurrance, I understand), possible for BOTH bonuses ?
That is, is this even possible to see ALL 20% (15% from exceptional + 5% from Arms Lore) ALL go to 1 Resistance ?
That is, is it possible to Craft a Plate piece, Exceptional+Arms Lore, that was to look like any of these 5 possibilities?

--> 25-3-2-3-2
--> 5-23-2-3-2
--> 5-3-22-3-2
--> 5-3-2-23-2
--> 5-3-2-3-22

Or, will more likely, the 20% total Bonus in between Exceptional and Arms Lore fall over a "number" of resistances rather then all to 1 of them ?

In this latter case, what would be the "acceptable" distribution of the Exceptional+Arms Lore Bonuses in order to minimize THE MOST the need to imbue for resistances, even if one needs to "overcap" Resistances over 70 to account for some Debuffs' reductions to a particular resistance or reduction to a resistance caused by a buff ?

That is, is it acceptable a piece with only ONE resistance kept at normal base value (i.e. not getting ANY bonus resistance) ?
Or is it acceptable only a piece with TWO resistances kept at normal base value (i.e. not getting ANY bonus resistance) ?
Or would only be acceptable a piece with THREE resistances kept at normal base value (i.e. not getting ANY bonus resistance) ?

The reason for asking this, is that, I imagine, the "more picky" one gets, the HARDER it is to then craft that 1 particular piece....

Also, since after the "normal" tool/material crafting there is the Runic reforging stage, a stage which can WELL LIKELY "screw up" that "hard to get" piece with one or more resistance kept at the Base value, "how reasonable" is to insist on getting that one perfect "stage 1" piece which could then so much easily get ruined by a bad roll of reforging during "stage 2" ?

For example, say that one is going for luck, gets through a ton of pieces crafter at stage 1 to get ALL of the 20% bonus on 1 resistance, then reforges with a Horned Runic Sewing Kit for Luck and only gets, say, 130 Luck on that piece... that very rare piece with all of the 20% Bonus landed on 1 resist is unusable, because, instead of getting the 150 Luck, got less....

I hope I was able to explain myself about what troubles me and how to define the "line not to cross", that is, where to stop in the search for the one "perfect piece" in order not to try to follow a unachievable, impossible goal .....

# 5 - Where do "Refinements" which, to my understanding, work to "shuffle" resistance points from one resistance to another, as needed, fit into all of this ?
Say, for example, that working with Leather and enhancing with Spined Leather (for Luck), which adds all to Physical resistance, one gets way too much Physical resistance on that piece that would not be needed, using Refinements can that "excess" Physical Resistance be given to some other Resistance which is still lacking ?

If the crafting (proper) order is, as I understand : 

1) - Crafting using regular tool/regular material;
2) - Reforge using Runic Tool for added properties;
3) - Enhance with special material for other added properties;
4) - Powder of Fortification to 255 for a piece that one is happy with;
5) - Imbue to add additional Properties not gotten with the earlier stages or to further increase some properties already received from the earlier stages.

At what stage would one want to properly use REFINEMENTS to adjust and re-shuffle the points in the 5 various resistances as wanted ?

# 6 - Which "resistances values" one needs to "line up" in a Spreadsheet to as to find the perfectly matching pieces that are wanted to go in the final suit ?
The ones obtained after the 1 stage ? The Crafting using regular tool/regular material or one of the other stages ?

Thanks for the kind help and clarifications !!

The Stratics page you're referencing is a Xena Dragon page, it is years out of date! 
A more recent page is this one https://uo2.stratics.com/items/magic-item-properties/items-base-properties/ ; which is based on the uoherald page https://uo.stratics.com/uoherald/guide/guide.php?guideId=128

Petra_Fyde said:

The Stratics page you're referencing is a Xena Dragon page, it is years out of date! 
A more recent page is this one https://uo2.stratics.com/items/magic-item-properties/items-base-properties/ ; which is based on the uoherald page https://uo.stratics.com/uoherald/guide/guide.php?guideId=128

Sorry, that is one of the difficulties when trying to get knowledged about UO stuff.... it is hard to say what is outdated and what is current so, in the end, these discrepancies add to the confusion....

In very rough terms, uo.stratics/content pages pre-date Stratics' move to wordpress. 
uo2.stratics is the site I maintained up to October 2014 when I resigned my position there. That site has not been updated since, instead Stratics moved to a wiki format. 

So for current information you need stratics wiki, uoguide or I would recommend the uo.com wiki 

popps said:

Petra_Fyde said:

The Stratics page you're referencing is a Xena Dragon page, it is years out of date! 
A more recent page is this one https://uo2.stratics.com/items/magic-item-properties/items-base-properties/ ; which is based on the uoherald page https://uo.stratics.com/uoherald/guide/guide.php?guideId=128

Sorry, that is one of the difficulties when trying to get knowledged about UO stuff.... it is hard to say what is outdated and what is current so, in the end, these discrepancies add to the confusion....

Well if you look at the bottom of most pages they have a date on them when last modified.

@popps let's see...

1. It depends on the debuff really, it's commonplace to over cap fire for vamp and other forms and inject, but things like corpse a that lower your maximum resist could only be somewhat mitigated by refining for 75 resistances.

2.  Yeah good leather luck suits are tricky and damn near impossible to perfect for someone that uses wraith form.  Best bet is dual base resist pieces.  So for let's say leather You'll want pieces that are 2 physical resist and one other base alternating between the 4-3-3-3 so they can be imbued later.  I put this all into spreadsheets adding up base resist + material bonus, then I can see where the random and imbued resists need to go.  They 2+ base resist pieces are hard to come by, so it can take a lot of time.  Made worse by failed reforging for 150 luck.  To do this I've gone through maybe 150k+ leather/ingots at times. It's nuts

3.  It's 15 + the 5 from arms lore if you have it.

4.  Yes it's possible just very rare.  I get 1 base often, 2 maybe on in a couple hundred.  For having it all land on one resist ive only done it twice in my life.

For the base resist stuff if your not working with leather it's easy, just one base resist is needed.  You just keep churning out 1 base pieces until it fits.  That's why gloves last, can take a while to find and reforge one that completes the puzzle.  Leather same deal you just have to watch and fit physical correctly making it more difficult.

Best bet for "the line" is to toss what you want into an imbuing calculator like knuckleheads, pick the final mods you want + one resist up to like 16-18 depending on armor and material needs and see what room is left.  There's usually a bit of wiggle room

5. Refinements do two things.  Lower MAX resist to increase max DCI or the opposite.  You can do it to 5 pieces of armor between 1 and 5% per piece.  So you could get all 75 MAX resistances (human) or 70 max DCI.

I do it any time after reforging, it has no effect on imbuing caps.

6.  So here's what my spreadsheets kinda like...

Columns with the different armor pieces after basic crafting, then column for extra resists ie shield, jewels clothing, skills and forms added together.  Then a column for the material bonuses, then what I intend to imbue with totals at the end for before and after refinements. 

The rows underneath are broken up into the resists phys, fire, etc.

I generally have a stash of base resist pieces, so I just grab a good chest and legs Todd them in and get an idea of what the arms neck head and gloves will need to look like.  I do arms/ head third depending on the helm... Screw samurai helms lol.

You'll be panicking a bit when it comes to the gloves buts ok to back track and remix the neck and arms to tweak it all to fit perfect.

Whew, think that's it

@WornOutYourTool are you doing anything with reforging or just straight imbueing

Bilbo said:

popps said:

Petra_Fyde said:

The Stratics page you're referencing is a Xena Dragon page, it is years out of date! 
A more recent page is this one https://uo2.stratics.com/items/magic-item-properties/items-base-properties/ ; which is based on the uoherald page https://uo.stratics.com/uoherald/guide/guide.php?guideId=128

Sorry, that is one of the difficulties when trying to get knowledged about UO stuff.... it is hard to say what is outdated and what is current so, in the end, these discrepancies add to the confusion....

Well if you look at the bottom of most pages they have a date on them when last modified.

But even then, one would need to know about all the subsequent Publishes on that issue in order to know whether the content at that date is still valid or not...

@Bilbo ;

Depends, if I include some low resist artifacts or have some pieces with 5 mods already I sometimes have to take a base resist piece and reforge defense on it and keep trying until I get an overcapped resist to land on the one or multiple base resists.  It's a nightmare of rng but has to be done in some cases.

Otherwise usual process of craft, reforge, POF, imbue, enhance.

This is why I'm still campaigning for crafting tweaks.  All this work and the end result still pales in comparison to loot.

WornOutYourTool said:

@ Bilbo 

Depends, if I include some low resist artifacts or have some pieces with 5 mods already I sometimes have to take a base resist piece and reforge defense on it and keep trying until I get an overcapped resist to land on the one or multiple base resists.  It's a nightmare of rng but has to be done in some cases.

Otherwise usual process of craft, reforge, POF, imbue, enhance.

The proper order is not this ?

1) - Crafting using regular tool/regular material;
2) - Reforge using Runic Tool for added properties;
3) - Enhance with special material for other added properties;
4) - Powder of Fortification to 255 for a piece that one is happy with;
5) - Imbue to add additional Properties not gotten with the earlier stages or to further increase some properties already received from the earlier stages.

Enhancing comes as last, after imbuing ? Not before POF ?

Also, Refinements at what stage is better for them to be be done, if necessary ?

popps said:

WornOutYourTool said:

@ Bilbo 

Depends, if I include some low resist artifacts or have some pieces with 5 mods already I sometimes have to take a base resist piece and reforge defense on it and keep trying until I get an overcapped resist to land on the one or multiple base resists.  It's a nightmare of rng but has to be done in some cases.

Otherwise usual process of craft, reforge, POF, imbue, enhance.

The proper order is not this ?

1) - Crafting using regular tool/regular material;
2) - Reforge using Runic Tool for added properties;
3) - Enhance with special material for other added properties;
4) - Powder of Fortification to 255 for a piece that one is happy with;
5) - Imbue to add additional Properties not gotten with the earlier stages or to further increase some properties already received from the earlier stages.

Enhancing comes as last, after imbuing ? Not before POF ?

Also, Refinements at what stage is better for them to be be done, if necessary ?

Always enhance after imbuing for the good stuff.  The properties for materials will screw with imbuing if you do it before, refinements I leave for the end when I'm happy with everything.

WornOutYourTool said:

popps said:

WornOutYourTool said:

@ Bilbo 

Depends, if I include some low resist artifacts or have some pieces with 5 mods already I sometimes have to take a base resist piece and reforge defense on it and keep trying until I get an overcapped resist to land on the one or multiple base resists.  It's a nightmare of rng but has to be done in some cases.

Otherwise usual process of craft, reforge, POF, imbue, enhance.

The proper order is not this ?

1) - Crafting using regular tool/regular material;
2) - Reforge using Runic Tool for added properties;
3) - Enhance with special material for other added properties;
4) - Powder of Fortification to 255 for a piece that one is happy with;
5) - Imbue to add additional Properties not gotten with the earlier stages or to further increase some properties already received from the earlier stages.

Enhancing comes as last, after imbuing ? Not before POF ?

Also, Refinements at what stage is better for them to be be done, if necessary ?

Always enhance after imbuing for the good stuff.  The properties for materials will screw with imbuing if you do it before, refinements I leave for the end when I'm happy with everything.

@WornOutYourTool

Thanks, but if I leave Enhancing for the end, how can I "anticipate" what it will do to my resistances?

For example, an Invulnerability Refinement will change 4 resists with a "chance" at 5....

Even if I do not need to bump up all 5 resistances but only some of them, how do I know that I will get those I need boosted and not those I do not need and the one I need remain untouched ?

I mean, this especially if I ALREADY had to use the Forged Metal's expensive charge....

It would be quite upsetting to go through all that and then, remain with the resistance which I more need to stay low because the Refinement did not touch it...

Also, since the exchange with refinements is in between Resistances and Defence Chance Increase, is it safe to assume that a higher DCI is more needed in PvP rather then PvM ?

That is, that a suit for PvM would need more resistances as compared to DCI ?

Or not ?

https://stratics.com/threads/if-you-dont-have-45-dci-you-shouldnt-leave-the-guard-zone.364741/

Thanks again !!

@popps
I mean enhancing as in adding colored material.

With the refinements you get to select the resist (s) you want

Steps should be

1. Basic craft exceptional pieces.

2.  Reforge the winners.

3.  Pof to 255.

4. Imbue what you need.

5.  Enhance with materials.

Refinements can be done multiple places.  It's up to you I do it at the end, but do anywhere passed step 2.


Regarding refinements it's complicated.

PvP can be funny, load up on DCI, and sure you'll get hit less but magics can hurt more.  Same is true with the 75 resists.  

What I've done for some people is lower dci for some resists (fire for protection from mages)for a few pieces and lower say cold and poison resist to get the DCI back up.

Same is true for pvm.  For a very specialized boss you might do that, mix and match.  Or just go full 75 resist or 70 DCI.  It depends on the targets or how you need to stay alive

WornOutYourTool said:

@ popps
I mean enhancing as in adding colored material.

With the refinements you get to select the resist (s) you want

Steps should be

1. Basic craft exceptional pieces.

2.  Reforge the winners.

3.  Pof to 255.

4. Imbue what you need.

5.  Enhance with materials.

Refinements can be done multiple places.  It's up to you I do it at the end, but do anywhere passed step 2.


Regarding refinements it's complicated.

PvP can be funny, load up on DCI, and sure you'll get hit less but magics can hurt more.  Same is true with the 75 resists.  

What I've done for some people is lower dci for some resists (fire for protection from mages)for a few pieces and lower say cold and poison resist to get the DCI back up.

Same is true for pvm.  For a very specialized boss you might do that, mix and match.  Or just go full 75 resist or 70 DCI.  It depends on the targets or how you need to stay alive

"Or just go full 75 resist or 70 DCI."

WOW !

I had no idea that it was possible to craft a suit that not only had 75 in any and all of the 5 Resistances but, that ON TOP OF THAT it was also possible to add 70 Defense Chance Increase!

Wow....

I imagine, though, that in order to also have the 70 DCI it is necessary to sacrifice other properties somewhere....

It is also the only way to make 190 luck gear

@popps

Yeah it's one or the other or a mix.

So the full 75 resist suit (80 energy for elf) only has 20 dci cap.

70 Dci suit has resists of 65 across the board.

Petra_Fyde said:

I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying, but in my experience when I make a fully imbued suit I craft in barbed leather, imbue 2 of the resistances on each piece, sometimes I get away with only needing to imbue one, taking the suit to all 70s resists and leaving 3 slots to imbue lrc, lmc and something else.

This is an example of how NOT to maximise resists.

You should craft out of normal material first (with arms lore skill), then imbue resist, then enhance with special material, so the reists go above what is imbueable (you may require a forged metal of artifacts)

Hermione said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying, but in my experience when I make a fully imbued suit I craft in barbed leather, imbue 2 of the resistances on each piece, sometimes I get away with only needing to imbue one, taking the suit to all 70s resists and leaving 3 slots to imbue lrc, lmc and something else.

This is an example of how NOT to maximise resists.

You should craft out of normal material first (with arms lore skill), then imbue resist, then enhance with special material, so the reists go above what is imbueable (you may require a forged metal of artifacts)

BEFORE Imbuing, it is always advisable to apply Powder of Fortification to the item because, after imbuing, it is NO LONGER possible to do it....

Hermione said:

Petra_Fyde said:

I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying, but in my experience when I make a fully imbued suit I craft in barbed leather, imbue 2 of the resistances on each piece, sometimes I get away with only needing to imbue one, taking the suit to all 70s resists and leaving 3 slots to imbue lrc, lmc and something else.

This is an example of how NOT to maximise resists.

You should craft out of normal material first (with arms lore skill), then imbue resist, then enhance with special material, so the reists go above what is imbueable (you may require a forged metal of artifacts)

Works for me. If you prefer it, you could call it the 'cheapskate' method. Everything I need to create this 'starter' suit I can farm myself - it usually has all 70 resists, 100 lrc, 40 lmc and 12 MR. add additional MR with jewels, spellbook, shield, I can gradually improve it by replacing parts with looted pieces as and when I come across them, usually from treasure chests, tangle (or Blackthorn equivalent) .  I haven't bought an armour piece since players sold invul pieces on uo-auction pre AoS 😂. Every character I play is dressed in a mix of crafted and looted armour all of which I have got through my own play.

I'm going to say it again, I read through all of this, and none of it really sank in.

This is way too complicated for a normal player, it's put me right off an area of the game I would love to be doing.

And then when you actually try to play it.....

Cookie said:

I'm going to say it again, I read through all of this, and none of it really sank in.

This is way too complicated for a normal player, it's put me right off an area of the game I would love to be doing.

And then when you actually try to play it.....

This isn't about just crafting a suit of armor.  That can be done any way you wish and is quite simple. 

This is about crafting a '''perfect" suit of armor.  It's reasonable to see it as hard work and complicated as any master crafted item would be.

Could have crafting like wow where you just pop in the required materials and boom, legendary armor.  But just as you see this as complicated, I see that as boring and a waste of time.

WornOutYourTool said:

Cookie said:

I'm going to say it again, I read through all of this, and none of it really sank in.

This is way too complicated for a normal player, it's put me right off an area of the game I would love to be doing.

And then when you actually try to play it.....

This isn't about just crafting a suit of armor.  That can be done any way you wish and is quite simple. 

This is about crafting a '''perfect" suit of armor.  It's reasonable to see it as hard work and complicated as any master crafted item would be.

Could have crafting like wow where you just pop in the required materials and boom, legendary armor.  But just as you see this as complicated, I see that as boring and a waste of time.

@WornOutYourTool

 "This is about crafting a '''perfect" suit of armor.  It's reasonable to see it as hard work and complicated as any master crafted item would be."

I am not complaining about its complexity (to make that "perfect" suit...).

Only, I would like to be able to understand "how" it works, and what steps need to be done, without making any mistake, in order to be able to craft that "perfect" suit....

Instead, the more I read be them Guides, Posts or comments, the more I get confused and am having trouble trying to remember all of what would need to be remembered in order not to make mistakes while trying to craft that "perfect" suit without wasting anything.....

I guess it is moreless like Tamers want to do when training up their pets, use up all of the points not to leave any out, unused....

The problem with crafting is, at least to my viewing, that not only one needs to have clear in mind all the complexity of crafting itself, but it ALSO is necessary to have a deep knowledge of the game's fighting mechanics because, in the end, that Suit, Weapon, Shield that one is making, needs to be "usefull" to whatever Template will be fighting with it....

And that means, a LOT of knowledge to digest, variations, differences, small details to keep track of....

Will that character use Anatomy ? Will they have Inscription ? Will they be using Focus or Meditation or both ? And on and on and on....

It gets so complicated that, at least to my viewing, it gets almost impossible for a crafter to make a suit for "someone else" because it is very difficult to know "precisely" what they will do with that suit, for what Template it will be used and all that stuff....

Personally, I am convinced that Crafting is "THE" most complicated mechanics in Ultima Online and by far....

This, if one wants to pursue the Crafting of that "perfect" suit, that is....

I really wish that someone extremely experienced in Crafting had made a comprehensive and detailed Walkthrough about crafting in Ultima Online, and this, considering all of the aspects of Crafting from Base Properties to Material Bonuses, to Exceptional Crafting to Reforging, to Enhancing, to Refining, to Imbuing etc. etc. etc.

The thing is, though, that I think that such a comprehensive Guide, would need to be done by someone who really is VERY experienced and knowledged about Crafting in Ultima Online, in order to be of any good use to all other crafters in UO....

Everything is intertwined when it comes to Crafting a "perfect" suit and, yet, there is Guides out there but they are for "separate" crafting mechanics.... an imbuing Guide, a Reforging Guide etc. etc.

What I feel is missing, is a Guide that tackled them all.... because they are all connected and related to one another mechanics, me thinks.

Oh well....

Here is how to figure out Reforging.
The first thing you do is get yourself a bunch of different runics and when Char Copy returns go to TC with them and all your needed resources and a comm. deed box and any other deeded items you may need for a shop.  Place yourself a house, set up shop and start testing what you want to make with different set ups.  The very next day copy over another char with all the runics,comm deeds until you have a house full of runics and resources and make sure you keep track of what you did, how you did it and what the results are.

I know some one is going to write a book on I don't understand, well you know what maybe if you would stop reading everything to death and nit picking every little detail apart and go do it you just may learn how to do it by doing it yourself.

Just give an example for a suit you want to build.

1. What items you want to begin with and what your desired ending resists are. 

2. Any limitations on the enhancements. For instance is this a luck suit that requires only spined/gold enhances. 

From there I'll walk you through the exact process 

King_Greg said:

Just give an example for a suit you want to build. 

1. What items you want to begin with and what your desired ending resists are. 

2. Any limitations on the enhancements. For instance is this a luck suit that requires only spined/gold enhances. 

From there I'll walk you through the exact process 

@King_Greg ;

WARNING. This is a quite long winded Post in 2 parts....

The following is an example of what I am having a hard time to understand in regards to crafting a suit without wasting anything in the proces.....

I found this old Post from 2012 here.... Reforging Work

I have read it over and over several times but have been unable to understand it.

I will analyze it in chunks.

"Horned Kit with Fortune package, No PowerReforging. Then you basically have 2 options:"

What I "seem" to understand there, is that, when Reforging for "Luck", ONLY and STRICTLY the Horned Sewing Kit must be used, not the Barbed Sewing Kit, neither the Spined Sewing Kit. And the Power Reforging option, should NOT be used.

And there is 2 ways to get it done....

"- Either you select the Wizardry package. But due to the way the system is designed you will roll only 150 Luck with either MR3 or CastingFocus2, nothing else I believe (beside parts with less than 150 Luck of course). You can use this solution for one part, this is what I did on the Tunic. It leaves 2 slots and a weight of 100 to imbue, so 15 resists. Obviously you need to start with bases with 0 except points in at least one slot if you don't want to waste free except resist points by overimbuing them."

Select the "Grand Artifice" and then "Inspired Artifice" and then "Choose Name" as "Arcane / of Wizardy"

I thought that, in order to reforge for Luck, the "Auspicious / of Fortune" name had to be selected so, I do not understand why Arcane / of Wizardry is mentioned which, on armor, adds "Casting Focus, Lower Reagent Cost". Not sure if them all, or at random, it picks "some" of these....

Not to mention that, at the page.... Runic Reforging – Ultima Online , Mana Regen is not even mentioned among the Arcane/of Wizardry mods for Armor ! It does is mentioned, though, in the column "All Types" so, I do not understand....

What does it mean where it says that "the system is designed you will roll only 150 Luck with either MR3 or CastingFocus2, nothing else I believe" ?

If I select Arcane / of Wizardry and not Auspicious / of Fortune, how can I ever get the 150 Luck to roll ??

Then is says "You can use this solution for one part, this is what I did on the Tunic. It leaves 2 slots and a weight of 100 to imbue, so 15 resists. Obviously you need to start with bases with 0 except points in at least one slot if you don't want to waste free except resist points by overimbuing them."

And I do not understand a single word here....

Why doing that Arcade / of Wizardry for 1 piece would then leave "2 slots and a weight of 100 to imbue, so 15 resists" ?

And what does it means, to start with "bases" (what bases ? The regular piece that one makes with plain leather or iron armour and no runic tool ?) with "0 except points in at least one slot" if one does not want to "waste free except resist points by overimbuing them" ?

What is this "0 except points" ? And I see crafters all the time talking about overimbuing items of resists to compensate, for example for the debuff that happens to Physical Resist when casting the Protection Spell....

So, why does instead he talks about "wasting" "free" except resist points by "overimbuing" them ?

Then, let's see the second option....

"- Either you select the Defense package. This is what I did on all the other pieces but the Tunic, but this is extremely tricky:
Basically choosing the Defense package will roll Luck150 + ONE resist at +15 in about half the cases (in the other half it will roll 2 resists and under 150 Luck, you can of course trash those parts)."

From Runic Reforging – Ultima Online I assume that the Defense package is Fortified / of Defense which, I read there in the table, adds "Eater" to Armor.... that's it. On "All Types" it does mention Resists but, at this point, am not sure what this "All types" stands for....

Perhaps that an armor piece, for example the Tunic, gets Resists from "All types" + "Eater" being an Armor piece ?

Anyways, I see no mention whatsoever from getting the 150 Luck from choosing Fortified / of Defense...

Then he says "Basically choosing the Defense package will roll Luck150 + ONE resist at +15 in about half the cases (in the other half it will roll 2 resists and under 150 Luck, you can of course trash those parts)."

Why choosing Fortified / of Defense would roll Luck 150 + 1 Resist at 15+ points in "half the cases" while in the other "half the cases" it will Roll BELOW 150 luck + 2 Resists (with how many points those 2 resists ? Both 15+ ?).

Is this just a thing of the RNG ?

And then comes the toughest part, which I could understand nothing of....

"The catch is if the 15 points of resist from the package fall on a slot which already has free except resist points, the weight of those free resists will be accounted for so you won't be able to do an optimal piece."

Now, I assume that he is talking about that "half the cases" where, using the Fortified / of Defense chosen name will roll 150 Luck + 1 Resist at 15+ points...

He says that "the catch is" that if those 15 points of resist "fall on a slot which already has free except resist points" ...... what is this supposed to mean ?

For slot, I assume he means like a head piece or a chest piece or arms piece and so forth. But, again, what does he mean with the words "a slot which already has free except resist points" ??

And why "fall" ? Am I not selecting the piece that I am making and chosing what piece to keep and further enhance ?

Then he adds... "the weight of those free resists will be accounted for so you won't be able to do an optimal piece." ......... What does this mean ?

I will not be able to do an optimal piece because I decided to enhance and imbue a piece that came with 150 Luck + 1 Resist with 15+ points for a body part which had "free except resist points" ??

I am lost..... I really do not understand what that means....

Then, I think he starts explaining what to do to avoid those mistakes and, thus, be able to craft such an optimal piece....

"The trick is thus to start with a base piece with 2 slots without any except points from the draw. This is about 0.1% of pieces crafted if I remember, so you will burn a lot of leather to get those working bases. So when you reforge you have 1 chance out of 2 to get the 150 Luck+1 resist distribution, and if this is the case then 2 chances out of 5 that the resist will fall on one of the 2 right slots (the ones with no except points), so this gives you a total of 1 chance out of 5 to succeed the reforging."

Now, what would this piece LOOK LIKE that was a "base piece" with "2 slots without any except points from the draw" ?

He also adds, that such a piece comes with 0.1% of all those crafted which, I understand, means 1 in 1,000 !!

What would the 5 resists need to look like for such a 1 in 1,000 piece ?

And is this 1 in a 1,000 piece needed for only 1 piece of the ENTIRE suit or is this process necessary to be repeated for ALL parts making up a suit ?

Because, if so, with a suit being comprised of many different pieces that will be a whole lot of x 1,000 pieces to have to craft....

Then he says, if one has been wise to only pick that 1 in a 1,000 crafted pieces with 2 slots without any except points from the draw (whatever this means...), at this point "So when you reforge you have 1 chance out of 2 to get the 150 Luck+1 resist distribution" which I assume means that this 1 in 1,000 crafted piece with the wanted resists (with 2 slots without any except points from the draw) will not even be good enough !!

Because, only in 1 chance out of 2 it will be possible to get that 150 Luck + 1 Resist distribution...

Which, I seem to understand, means that if one gets instead the BELOW 150 Luck + 2 Resists roll, he/she has to redo all that 1 in 1,000 crafting all over to get that 1 "right" piece with the 2 slots without any except points from the draw (whatever this means....).

And this, OVER and OVER until one gets that wanted reforged piece with 150 luck + 1 Resist +15 points...

Is that so ?

(CONTINUED IN NEXT POST)

@King_Greg

(CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST)

He then adds "....and if this is the case then 2 chances out of 5 that the resist will fall on one of the 2 right slots (the ones with no except points), so this gives you a total of 1 chance out of 5 to succeed the reforging."

Does that mean that EVEN IF one gets the 1 in a 1,000 crafted piece (with the 2 slots without any except points from the draw, whatever this means) to get reforged into the wanted 150 Luck + 1 Resist +15 points, this could fall, for 2 chances out of 5 (I assume that we are talking here of the 5 resist types ?), on "one" of the 2 "right" slots which he identifies as those "with no except points", this would end up with ONLY 1 chance out of 5 to succeed with the reforging ?

I am VERY lost here..... I frankly do not understand it. Is there a way to possibly explain that concept in simpler terms ?

He then proceeds telling how to identify the actual, wanted piece by saying "If successful, the piece will have 3 free slots and 250 weight to imbue: You will imbue the remaining "empty" resist slot and 2 other slots (usually LRC and LMC, but you can choose what you want). In the end you will have for example 5 slots with the following: 150 Luck, LRC, LMC, Resist1, Resist2. Note that the balance between Resist1 and Resist2 can be adjusted without loosing anything: you don't need to leave all 15 points from the Defense package on the slot they initially felt in, you can overimbue Resist1 and raise Resist2. This is very important because the ability to freely balance resists by pair on each part will allow you to build a suit without wasting any point."

What I seem to understand is that, if I FINALLY was able to get that "right" piece, the look of this piece will be one with 3 "free" slots and 250 weight to imbue.

What does it mean to have 3 "free" slots ? He is talking about 3 resists untouched by the reforging process ?

Why 3 ? I mean, didn't he say that the Reforging was to add 150 Luck plus in ONE Resist the 15+ points ?

If so, that would leave FOUR untouched Resists, not 3.....

He also says "You will imbue the remaining "empty" resist slot and 2 other slots (usually LRC and LMC, but you can choose what you want)."

Why "resist slot" as "singular" when he just mentioned the sentence before that about having THREE "free" slots (shouldn't they be 4 as I just asked ?) to imbue ?

But, as he follows saying "In the end you will have for example 5 slots with the following: 150 Luck, LRC, LMC, Resist1, Resist2. " perhaps he is NOT talking about getting worked up all of the 5 resists but only 2 of them ?

If so, why the goal would be to have a piece that has only 2 Resists increased, and 3 modifiers (luck, LRC and LMC) and not all of the 5 resists ? What about the OTHER 3 resists ? Why leave them "untouched" ?

He then adds "Note that the balance between Resist1 and Resist2 can be adjusted without loosing anything: you don't need to leave all 15 points from the Defense package on the slot they initially felt in, you can overimbue Resist1 and raise Resist2. This is very important because the ability to freely balance resists by pair on each part will allow you to build a suit without wasting any point."

I am not sure to follow.... "overimbue Resist 1" (HOW ?? Is it possible to "OVER-imbue a resist ?) and ALSO "raise" Resist 2 (again HOW ??) ?.

He also mentions that "This is very important because the ability to freely balance resists by pair on each part will allow you to build a suit without wasting any point."

I can understand the importance of that Post as it explains how to best craft a piece of armor, but I do not understand the logic of it, nor "how" to do it correctly ......

He then proceeds to say "In the end, use of course a Forged Metal Tool to enhance in Spined.
Each part will have 20 free resists from except crafting (none have been lost) + 5 free resists from Spined Leather + 40 free Luck from spined Leather + 500 normal imbuing weight, for a total of 133 + 33 + 40 + 500 = 706."

I understand the part where one would enhance with Spined to get the additional +40 Luck points to have a total of 190 Luck on that piece, what I do not understand, is the part where he says "Each part will have 20 free resists from except crafting (none have been lost) + 5 free resists from Spined Leather + 40 free Luck from spined Leather + 500 normal imbuing weight, for a total of 133 + 33 + 40 + 500 = 706."

Why would that be ?

Why would "each part" have 20 "free resists" from "except crafting" so that none would have gotten lost and, on top of that, also get 5 "free resists" from Spined Leather + another "40 free Luck" from the use of Spined Leather + 500 normal imbuing weight so that such a piece would get a weight of 706 ???

I cannot seem to understand that either....

He then says "Finally, do the circlet last, it is the easiest part since you don't have to use any trick: you can get a plain 150 Luck with a copper hammer. You even get 1 more resist point because golden ingots adds 6 while spined leather adds 5. It also adds LowerReq30 even if you likely don't care  But you can also still choose the ugly (and hardest to do) leather cap if you want of course."

What is this thing with the "Circlet" and about the "Leather Cap" being "hardest to do" ?

And why for doing this one piece it would not be necessary to use any trick ??

If one is doing all of this for "medable" armor, why would he/she want to use a metal circlet that would not be medable ? At that point they would need to imbue it as Mage Armor to make it medable....

He then concludes by adding "Now, even if you do all this correctly, you will likely still need to craft a couple of extra parts, because having bases with 2 slots without free points is not enough, they have to be different on each part: if you use, say 4 parts with the "free" resist slots all beeing Cold and Poison, there is no way you will be able to get matching parts. I ended up crafting 8 perfect parts for the suit, so I have 3 extra ones (for a backup suit one day, who knows)"

Why having "bases with 2 slots" and "without free points" (how does a base without "free" points look like ? what does this exactly mean ?) would not be "enough" ?

I think he says "because they have to be different on each part"..... but in what sense is meant "different on each part" ??

He mentions about using 4 parts with the "free" resist slots (free in what sense ??) being all for Cold and Poison and this leading "in no way" to being possible to get "matching parts".... why would that be ?

He had to craft 8 "perfect parts" for the suit thus leaving 3 extra ones....

Since 8 - 3 = 5, this would mean a suit made out by 5 pieces....

Ain't a suit made out by 7 pieces (Armor - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia) ? That is, Head, Neck, Chest, Legs, Arms, Hands and the Shield for the left hand ?

So why is he talking about a 5 pieces suit ?

He then concludes the Post by discussing about the alternative of making suit by "blind" burning Barbed Sewing Kits which I neither understand very well but that is another thing....

Since I am trying to make a fully optimized Luck Suit, medable, and for a Spellcaster to start (as I learn the ways of crafting I will then also work on "perfect" suits for Warriors and Melee combat... but that is later...).

Therefore, I would like to use the great advice contained in that Post for crafting such a "perfect" suit and yet, since I cannot understand it, I cannot proceed on to work for making such a suit....

If anyone can explain that "perfect" suit crafting process in a simpler way, it would be really great, thanks !

@popps ; I don't know why you reposted everything you've already asked. You want to build a luck suit for a mage. Do you want it built around the leurocian's Mempo? The armor of Fortune? (I don't suggest the armor of fortune) 

Bilbo said:

Here is how to figure out Reforging.
The first thing you do is get yourself a bunch of different runics and when Char Copy returns go to TC with them and all your needed resources and a comm. deed box and any other deeded items you may need for a shop.  Place yourself a house, set up shop and start testing what you want to make with different set ups.  The very next day copy over another char with all the runics,comm deeds until you have a house full of runics and resources and make sure you keep track of what you did, how you did it and what the results are.

I know some one is going to write a book on I don't understand, well you know what maybe if you would stop reading everything to death and nit picking every little detail apart and go do it you just may learn how to do it by doing it yourself.

Very good advice. When reading up on how to do something, there comes a point when you have to just get up and learn through doing. Nothing like getting your hands dirty and gaining insight along the way. And just a little bit of advice about your post,try not to make them so long. You have many post and thats ok, but when they are soooo long it makes it hard to get through them at least for me. I try to read all of your post but because they are so long I find myself skipping them, and I don't want to do that. 

King_Greg said:

@ popps  I don't know why you reposted everything you've already asked. You want to build a luck suit for a mage. Do you want it built around the leurocian's Mempo? The armor of Fortune? (I don't suggest the armor of fortune) 

@popps

Going to be honest, but can answer some stuff I skimmed, totally didn't read all that.  Might later.

On the tool selection...

People use horned kits or say copper hammers specifically because they want to be very selective on the mod they want.  I'll use copper hammer for example.

For luck you CAN use the higher tier runics.  Buuut you'll get the luck + extra mods.  Can be good and get the job done, and in odd cases is needed.  They use the copper because it's easier and cheaper, you reforge for just the one over capped mod (luck here) and call it a day, imbuing the rest. 

Crafters like to use metal armor because it's easier to cover resists with gold ingots compared to leather, copper hammers are generally cheaper and since blacksmithing has a better selection of runics it's easier to get the desired result.

WornOutYourTool said:

@ popps

Going to be honest, but can answer some stuff I skimmed, totally didn't read all that.  Might later.

On the tool selection...

People use horned kits or say copper hammers specifically because they want to be very selective on the mod they want.  I'll use copper hammer for example.

For luck you CAN use the higher tier runics.  Buuut you'll get the luck + extra mods.  Can be good and get the job done, and in odd cases is needed.  They use the copper because it's easier and cheaper, you reforge for just the one over capped mod (luck here) and call it a day, imbuing the rest. 

Crafters like to use metal armor because it's easier to cover resists with gold ingots compared to leather, copper hammers are generally cheaper and since blacksmithing has a better selection of runics it's easier to get the desired result.

@WornOutYourTool

"For luck you CAN use the higher tier runics.  Buuut you'll get the luck + extra mods.  Can be good and get the job done, and in odd cases is needed.  They use the copper because it's easier and cheaper, you reforge for just the one over capped mod (luck here) and call it a day, imbuing the rest. "

I understand that "lower" runics come cheaper, that makes sense, but usually, in a suit there do are more modifiers then mere Luck...

If higher runics can get a "better" reforging, sure, it will come more expensive, no doubt, but won't the crafted pieces be better ones ?

What I am trying to say, whether one reforges with a Copper runic OR a Valorite Runic, for example, the reforged piece STILL would carry the 500 imbuing weight to add "more" modifiers just as well, whether one may have reforged that piece with a Copper Runic or a Valorite Runic ?

Or would the Valorite Runic hammer reforged piece carry "less" imbuing weight because some of it was taken away by the Valorite runic reforging ?

Otherwise, albeit surely more expensive, using higher runics would bring more modifiers, more resistances through reforging and THEN, still have the full 500 imbuing weight as available to add more modifiers and, thus, make a better piece....

"Crafters like to use metal armor because it's easier to cover resists with gold ingots compared to leather, copper hammers are generally cheaper and since blacksmithing has a better selection of runics it's easier to get the desired result."

That is understandable, but only if one thinks at the wanted luck....

Instead, I understand, usually on a suit a whole number of modifiers is wanted and having to waste precious imbuing weight in order to add "Mage Armor" on each non-medable crafted piece looks to me a way not to "squeeze" all the possible juice into a suit....

Or am I wrong in my thinking ?

Ok that's what you're missing here...

Any property has "weight".

Regardless of where it comes from, loot, imbuing, reforging etc 

So in your example of copper vs valorite, the copper will yeild a piece with just 150 luck.  The valorite, luck + all kinds of other stuff.  Meaning you probably won't be able to imbue at all.

In short, reforging is just a way to get overcapped mods or a few special mods.  If you ever catch me in game I could probably sit for hours and explain this all.

Loving this thread....

I completely sympathise with Popps tbh - all of this is how I feel when I look at anything crafter or armour related.

How I see it...

You need a ton of runics - and these are almost impossible to get in any quantity you want these days. It could take you a couple of years to just collect the runics you need. All I do these days, is Lumberjack and Carpentry BODS, it is such a slow process, I've got nowhere tbh. It is no wonder players have to script this stuff.

Then you need to craft a load of random stuff, burn through 1000's of runics, up to 1 million items. This will take another couple of years.

Then you need to sort through all the random shit you've generated, and try and find the best matches - this takes another year.

Then you realise, oh, this actually just gets you a Luck suit, and nothing else, none of the other stats are any good for the suit to be in the slightest bit functional unless you've put it on a tamer.

Then 5 years later, you get to where I am... The whole thing is a dead loss.

This is not about wanting it easy "WornOutYourTool", it's about wanting a properly functional system - this is a level of complication and randomness that is just beyond ridiculous.

I'd like to be able to just craft what I want. What's wrong with having that as an expectation?

I don't want Random, I don't want RNG, I don't want Negative Properties, I just want a suit I can put on my characters, and play the game in them, as is meant to be.

@Cookie you have already done all the leg work as many others have done and come up with the same solution and asked for more control over the outcome unlike the OP who has done none of this but wants you to post all your data so he does not have to do any leg work and because of the RNG and lack of total control there is no %100 guide to it all and the OP will never be satisfied.  This has started out as a "RESIST" question and has turned into an I want everything guide and people have even asked what exactly do you want on a suit and he refuses to answer.

popps said:

Head - Leurocian Mempo

Chest - I agree, and think that, for only 10 more Luck Points it is not worth the Armor of Fortune which comes with terrible other mods, better settle with 190 Luck for a crafted piece but better other mods

Ring - Compassion's Eye

Bracelet - Bracelet of Primal's Consumption

Robe - Conjurer's Garb

Talisman - Lucky Charm

Footware - not sure, Minax's Sandals are too expensive.... maybe the Soles of Providence ?

FIrst i'd like to say that if you are worried about the cost of Minax Sandals, you really shouldn't be stressing as much as you are about "optimizing" your resists 100% because you will burn through more than the minax sandals will cost you in leather to achieve your ideal resists.  

Okay, the jewelry selection isn't what I would pick for a caster. Even though it has 500 luck it has 0 faster casting and recovery. You would be better off with the Etoile set for 3/6 casting and 400 luck. 

So let's get started. You wanted to overcap for protection. So your desired resists will be 

85/70/70/70/70

You picked Leurocian's Mempo, Bracelet of Primal's Consumption. For Pieces of armor that actually have resists on them. 

Leurocian's Mempo 
15/10/10/10/15

Primal Consumption 
20/20/20/20/20 

So Pre Enhance You need 

Desired	Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder
85	15	20					50
70	10	20					40
70	10	20					40
70	10	20					40
70	15	20					35

Okay, You have 5 pieces of Armor Left. 

Circlets are a wonderful thing for Mage luck suits because they are medable and can be enhanced with gold ingots. Gold has a much better spread of resists than spined leather, but it isn't worth adding mage armor to metal armor for the better resist spread since mage armor costs 100% imbuing intensity and 1 slot. 

So we are going to do Circlet, And leather Armor for the remaining 4 pieces. I'm also just going to pick a buckler shield. Why? Because it starts with 1 poison resist, not that it really matters much. 

So, we have 5 pieces of armor, 1 shield to be enhanced. So I'm going to subtract out the enhance bonus for each item from our previous "remainder" 

# of Pieces	5
		Gloves	Arms	Tunic	Legs	Circlet	Buckler
Material Bonus		Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder
	50	9	9	9	9	2	2	10
	40	0	0	0	0	2	2	36
	40	0	0	0	0	3	3	34
	40	0	0	0	0	0	1	39
	35	0	0	0	0	3	3	29

I put the 1 resist for the shield in the enhance part. I'm sure it will irk you, but really I am just removing everything that is random to start. 

Next step is calculating how many resists you will have to imbue total. To do this you need to subtract out the total number of resists you will get for each piece of armor. From the total resists after enhance. 

Now, Leather armor gets 35 Resists when crafted with regular leather and 100 Arms lore. Circlets get 35 Resists when crafted with iron and 100 arms lore. 

Total Resists Required		148
Base Resists		Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Total
		35	35	35	35	35		175
Imbued Resists		-27

This means using the Primal Consumption bracelet you shouldn't have to imbue any resists at all.

Even though you don't have to imbue any resists, I'm still going to walk you through the process all the way to the end. 

Next step is Subtracting out your Base resists for Each piece of armor. This is us removing what comes standard with each piece of armor so you can see where the random resists need to fall. 

Leather armor is 2/4/3/3/3 Base, a Circlet is 1/5/2/2/5. You can figure this out by looking at a non exceptional piece of armor. So, we subtract out each of these and this leaves us with the resists we still need to get on the armor from random resists and Imbued Resists. 

Base Resists On Pieces
		Gloves	Arms	Tunic	Legs	Circlet
		Piece1	Piece 2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder	Average
		2	2	2	2	1		1	0.2
		4	4	4	4	5		15	3
		3	3	3	3	2		20	4
		3	3	3	3	2		25	5
		3	3	3	3	5		12	2.4

The Average at the end is the remainder divided by the # of pieces we have. This average here helps you to determine where you want to imbue resists on a suit that actually needs resists imbued. 

Since you don't need any resists imbued though we are going to skip to the end where we play with the resists we need on each piece of armor. So we go back to the resists we need before enhance 

	Gloves	Arms	Tunic	Legs	Circlet		Remainder
10	2	2	2	2	2		0
36	7	7	7	7	8		0
34	7	7	7	7	6		0
39	8	8	8	8	7		0
29	5	5	6	6	7		0
Total Resists	29	29	30	30	30	0

Note that each piece of armor has a maximum resist of 35. So you have 5-6 points of wiggle room. So as you start crafting each piece the suit is only going to get easier from left to right. 

So you want to craft starting with the gloves. Craft armor that has those resists+ and then reforge 

Horned Kit 
Grand 
Inspired (Auspicious Of Fortune) 
Exalted
Sublime (Mystic of Sorcery) 

You will get gloves with these mods eventually.
Mana regeneration 3 
Luck 150 

After you get the gloves you can subtract out the extra resists you got from the next piece and start crafitng again, and keep repeating that process until you are finished, but Really with how much wiggle room this suit has for resists you could probably craft any random piece of armor, reforge the luck onto it and slap it onto the suit and still hit your resists. 

On the Circlet 

Copper Hammer 
Powerful 
Grand 
Inspired (Auspicious of Fortune) 

You will get a circlet with just luck 150 

Pof each piece, and imbue whatever you want on them. You will spend the most amount of your time on the reforging. I would suggest at least 20 Horned kits and 10 copper hammers. 

Since that wasn't remotely challenging, I'll do a walk through for a luck suit without the primal consumption bracelet

Starting off with just the Leurocian's Mempo. I'm going to factor Minax Sandals Physical. 

Same Steps as the last suit

Determining how many resists we need on the remaining armor. 

Desired	Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder
85	15	-3					73
70	10						60
70	10						60
70	10						60
70	15						55

Subtracting out the Enhances

# of Pieces	5
		Gloves	Arms	Tunic	Legs	Circlet	Buckler
Material Bonus		Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder
	73	9	9	9	9	2	2	33
	60	0	0	0	0	2	2	56
	60	0	0	0	0	3	3	54
	60	0	0	0	0	0	1	59
	55	0	0	0	0	3	3	49

Subtracting out the resists that you get from crafting a regular piece to see how many resists we will need to imbue.

Total Resists Required		251
Base Resists		Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Total
		35	35	35	35	35		175
Imbued Resists		76

So now that we are this point you can see that you need 76 Resists Imbued. This is going to be quite a bit trickier. 

Subtracting out the base resists that aren't random from each resist slot to see where we want to put our imbued resists. 

Remainder	Piece1	Piece 2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder	Average
33	2	2	2	2	1		24	4.8
56	4	4	4	4	5		35	7
54	3	3	3	3	2		40	8
59	3	3	3	3	2		45	9
49	3	3	3	3	5		32	6.4

So, these numbers at the end, the further they are from 5 the more difficult they will be/the more you will want to imbue into the resists. This is just the warm up for the next step which is playing with the imbued resists. 

To start I am going to show you the blank spreadsheet. 

Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder	Imbued	Average
						24	0	4.8
						35	0	7.00
						40	0	8.00
						45	0	9.00
						32	0	6.40

Notice that the numbers on the right column are the same as in the previous. I'm going to start with poison resist. and you'll kind of see what's happening. 

Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder	Imbued	Average
						24	0	4.8
						35	0	7.00
						40	0	8.00
15						30	1	7.50
						32	0	6.40

The Average at the end now is the # of pieces - The Number imbued. Because any random resists that land in that slot are wasted and don't effect the end result. So we need to spread 76 Resists across this suit with the end goal being that all the resists will be as low as we can get them. +15 is the highest you can imbue a base resist. Just an FYI Reforging overcapped resists is pointless and a waste in my opinion. You have to craft a piece with +0 in a resist slot and then land the reforge in the same same slot, which is astronomically low chance on top of landing 150 luck. 

I went ahead and came up with a decent spread. I am over doing the resists by 6 on the suit. Because from my experience in building suits and your reaction to the price of minax sandals. I don't think you are ready for the difficulty of making a "Perfect" suit which only gains 50% more  imbuing intensity on one piece for 1000x the difficulty and cost of resources and time.

Imbued Resist Spread 

Piece1	Piece2	Piece3	Piece4	Piece5	Piece6	Remainder	Imbued	Average
						24	0	4.8
			15			20	1	5.00
		15	10			15	2	5.00
15	15					15	2	5.00
				12		20	1	5.00

Note that all the numbers on the right are now 5's which means that on average every resist that isn't imbued will gain +5 to the base resist. You will need 1 piece of armor with 2 resists imbued. I picked fire and cold because getting double +0's are easier in Fire/cold/poison than other resists. You'll just have to trust me. 

Now we subtract our imbued resists from our total resists needed after subtracting enhances. And then plug in the base resists for the slots that we imbued for the pieces. 

Total – Imbued	Gloves	Arms	Tunic	Legs	Circlet		Remainder
33							33
41				4			37
29			3	3			23
29	3	3					23
37					5		32
Total Resists	3	3	3	7	5	0

Then we start filling in the gaps. 

Total – Imbued	Gloves	Arms	Tunic	Legs	Circlet		Remainder
33	6	7	7	8	5		0
41	9	9	9	4	10		0
29	8	8	3	3	7		0
29	3	3	7	9	7		0
37	8	7	8	9	5		0
Total Resists	34	34	34	33	34	0

Now, I gave this suit 6 points of wiggle room. I have distributed them fairly evenly, with +2 points of wiggle room going to the legs since they will be the most difficult piece to craft. 

*Editing this post to make things easier on you. 

Since you have 4 pieces of leather armor, the resists that we calculated for the gloves, arms, tunic and legs will work for any slot. So what I would do is start with gloves and if you get any piece with resists better than 

6	7	7	8
9	9	9	4
8	8	3	3
3	3	7	9
8	7	8	9

Go ahead and reforge it. If you land the 150 luck and Mana regen 3, then cross that one off and move onto the next piece. Any extra resists that didn't land on an imbued slot can be subtracted from a different piece to make things easier. 

I'd say probably 300,000 leather 20 Horned kits, 10 Copper hammers. 

What I just showed you is how to calculate what your pieces of armor will look like for an optimized imbued suit. The further your resists get from +4 to the base resist, the harder the piece of armor will be to make. 

+0's aren't very common. 
Double +0's Very rare 
Triple 0's I have only seen in Fire+Cold+Energy 
I have never seen a piece with all of the random resists into 1 slot in all my years. 

Reforging resists is idiotic.

If it were anything other than a luck suit I would tell you to just invest in a legendary artifact to carry your resists so you don't have to deal with this nonsense. 

@King_Greg

That was an amazing and wonderfully helping essay !!

Thank you really SO much.... I will need to read it over several times and then do some calculations myself with variations just to make sure that I understood the process, but I think that I have started to finally gather the logic behind it.

I might hav have more questions later on but for now, there is one that immediately comes up my mind....

In your first example, the one using the Bracelet of Primal Consumption, there is no need to imbue Resists at all because the balance is -27. That is, through Exceptional crafting and reforging, and the use of artifacts, the resists come more then enough (balance is -27 towards imbuing...).

Now, do I need to see that " -27 " as somewhat a "crafting waste" because it is not a "perfect" zero?

What I am trying to say is, does that "excess" balance show me that perhaps I could select other artifacts, for example the Armor of Fortune, which come with less resistances but 10 more Luck and still have a suit with the high resistances that I am looking for with no need to imbue ?

Bear with me, this is only an example that I am making to verify if I understood correctly the thinking process....

But this is only a first read of your excellent essay so, as I said, I will read it over several times and do some calculations of my own to try understand it better....

Thanks really very very much, it was extremely helpfull in dissipating quite many doubts and confusion that I had!

popps said:

@ King_Greg

That was an amazing and wonderfully helping essay !!

Thank you really SO much.... I will need to read it over several times and then do some calculations myself with variations just to make sure that I understood the process, but I think that I have started to finally gather the logic behind it.

I might hav have more questions later on but for now, there is one that immediately comes up my mind....

In your first example, the one using the Bracelet of Primal Consumption, there is no need to imbue Resists at all because the balance is -27. That is, through Exceptional crafting and reforging, and the use of artifacts, the resists come more then enough (balance is -27 towards imbuing...).

Now, do I need to see that " -27 " as somewhat a "crafting waste" because it is not a "perfect" zero?

What I am trying to say is, does that "excess" balance show me that perhaps I could select other artifacts, for example the Armor of Fortune, which come with less resistances but 10 more Luck and still have a suit with the high resistances that I am looking for with no need to imbue ?

Bear with me, this is only an example that I am making to verify if I understood correctly the thinking process....

But this is only a first read of your excellent essay so, as I said, I will read it over several times and do some calculations of my own to try understand it better....

Thanks really very very much, it was extremely helpfull in dissipating quite many doubts and confusion that I had!

Since you don't have any weight in resists on your armor, I would say that the "waste" is the bracelet. 

You could choose the armor of fortune, but you will still have to make up the lmc somewhere else. Minax sandals and Shadow cloak of rejuvination will get you 7. You can get Lmc on weapon and shield with luck 150, but it will cost you a lot to reforge 150 luck + LMC on a weapon/shield. 

And in the end you still have 0 FC 0 FCR. Good for a quick last minute swap, but not good to actually play in. 

King_Greg said:

popps said:

@ King_Greg

That was an amazing and wonderfully helping essay !!

Thank you really SO much.... I will need to read it over several times and then do some calculations myself with variations just to make sure that I understood the process, but I think that I have started to finally gather the logic behind it.

I might hav have more questions later on but for now, there is one that immediately comes up my mind....

In your first example, the one using the Bracelet of Primal Consumption, there is no need to imbue Resists at all because the balance is -27. That is, through Exceptional crafting and reforging, and the use of artifacts, the resists come more then enough (balance is -27 towards imbuing...).

Now, do I need to see that " -27 " as somewhat a "crafting waste" because it is not a "perfect" zero?

What I am trying to say is, does that "excess" balance show me that perhaps I could select other artifacts, for example the Armor of Fortune, which come with less resistances but 10 more Luck and still have a suit with the high resistances that I am looking for with no need to imbue ?

Bear with me, this is only an example that I am making to verify if I understood correctly the thinking process....

But this is only a first read of your excellent essay so, as I said, I will read it over several times and do some calculations of my own to try understand it better....

Thanks really very very much, it was extremely helpfull in dissipating quite many doubts and confusion that I had!

Since you don't have any weight in resists on your armor, I would say that the "waste" is the bracelet. 

You could choose the armor of fortune, but you will still have to make up the lmc somewhere else. Minax sandals and Shadow cloak of rejuvination will get you 7. You can get Lmc on weapon and shield with luck 150, but it will cost you a lot to reforge 150 luck + LMC on a weapon/shield. 

And in the end you still have 0 FC 0 FCR. Good for a quick last minute swap, but not good to actually play in. 

@Cookie

I hear ya, not against that at all.  I love the complexity and just get caught up when people ask for it to be dumbed down to say WoW levels, which seems a common trend.  Not like what you're talking about.  I'm all for having a bit more control and power in crafting.  I just want that same satisfaction in completing these great works.  

Having layers helps keep people like me happy.  More customization, more thought, more time.  That's me.  The random mess works for me but can be replaced, as long as the outcome isn't put leather in one side and perfect item comes out the other.

popps said:

@ King_Greg

Thanks.

Since you mention Lower Mana Cost, by the way, in regards to the other modifiers which would need to get imbued on the crated pieces, what is usually more advisable to do, concentrate them on 2 or 3 pieces for that modifier until the max possible CAP is reached, or is it better to "spread them out", evenly, among all of the crafted pieces ?

In the example of that suit, even considering the Minax sandals and the Shadow Cloak of Rejuvenation, the remaining LMC still missing towards the 40% LMC, would be better imbued at max (8%) on 4 pieces plus 1% on 1 piece (that would be 33% remaining once deducted the Minax sandals 5% and Shadow Cloak of Rejuvenation 2%), or spread out, moreless evenly, among all of the crafted pieces ?

The reason for asking this, is that, if I understand it correctly, the more the weight to be imbued on a piece the higher the risk of failure and, thus, to loose expensive imbuing materials ?

With 150 Luck items, You pretty much have to use a forged metal artifact. And I mean that. For the amount of time and effort you are spending on trying to make these pieces though it is worth the cost. 

In regards to the LMC on the example suit. You'll just have to play with it to see what you want. Knuckleheads imbuing calculator is a great tool for this. 

WIth LT Sash + Minax Sandals + the Compassions eye you would have 40% Lower Reagent cost 

So you could do 
Mr 3, Luck 150, Lrc 20, Lmc 7 x 3 
Mr 3, Luck 150, Mana 7, Lmc 7 x 1 

CIrclet 
Mr 2, Luck 150, Lmc 5, (???), (???) 

@popps

Can't enhance Tiger Armor or Dragon Turtle armor

Dev's don't think crafting additions through. 

King_Greg said:

@ popps

Can't enhance Tiger Armor or Dragon Turtle armor

Dev's don't think crafting additions through. 

Wow, then Tiger/Dragon Turtle Armor, basically, are a pretty much useless addition, from a practical and really usefull utility point of view, at least.....

That's quite unfortunate...

popps said:

Wow, then Tiger/Dragon Turtle Armor, basically, are a pretty much useless addition, from a practical and really usefull utility point of view, at least.....

That's quite unfortunate...

🙂 Just pixel crack. It's fine on legendaries when your resists are already overcapped